Icereach PC NA (Mulaamnir/Kyne/BWB NA PC - Final)

Just_call_me_Cola

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Defialed wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Hmmm.. I think I am going to start using that line. The next time someone tells me to shut up because they have been here since day one. My new response will be "Zip it noob, I have 4,380 hours PvP experience".

I have Four thousand three hundred and eighty one hours of PvP Experience so what ever you say, I have seniority.

Whatever, I killed Molag Bal.

Pfft. I sacrificed that chick from the mages guild to sheogorath. And I didn't even need the 2 extra skill point.

DeadlyRecluse

Just_call_me_Cola wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Defialed wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Hmmm.. I think I am going to start using that line. The next time someone tells me to shut up because they have been here since day one. My new response will be "Zip it noob, I have 4,380 hours PvP experience".

I have Four thousand three hundred and eighty one hours of PvP Experience so what ever you say, I have seniority.

Whatever, I killed Molag Bal.

Pfft. I sacrificed that chick from the mages guild to sheogorath. And I didn't even need the extra skill point.

Spoilers dude. And it's 2 skill points.

Mjollo

@Luthid pfft "Trouble" is my Second middle name...after "Danger" of course.

Lumsdenml

Luthid wrote: »

Current and former BWB toons:
I started with Zannish: DC, Khajiit stamblade, August-Sept 2014

I'm sure many of you remember how messy BWB was at first. Players only combat leveled to 50, but NPCs were all VR5. Potions and food didn't scale. If your tripot healed for 200 in the open world, it would only heal for 200 of your now battle leveled health in BWB. It was tough to find fights with other players, and several times my groups would get walls down only to walk away because we couldn't take the flags from the NPCs. I ran with Mon Sherry from NM, a couple of my (then) LoM guildmates, sometines a MH member or 2, and all the pugs we could wrangle. It was short lived, and we all went back to our vet toons in TB and Had.

I came back to BWB in 2015 and rolled these kids:
Talin of Falkreath: EP, Nord sDK
Obtuse Angel: DC, Stamplar
Rafe Luc: DC, Mag Sorc
Genova Luc: DC, mDK
Calyx la Fee Verte: DC, mNB (stabled to spin a new EP toon instead, only a Tyro and level 16, I'll be back to him later).
Rhona Steel-Gaze: EP, sDK

Since I only play BWB 2-3 nights a week (spend most time on vet toons, healer main, Asciel Lucide), I'm probably far more familiar with all of you than you would be with me, but I've fought against or alongside most of you quite a bit, and you've probably seen me running my mouth in zone. I'll try to stay out of trouble here.

Nice! More PvP than me! Though I beta tested, I didn't buy the game until it went on sale, so bought it 1/1/15. I didn't go into cyrodiil until that summer, but I do remember before it went FTP in PvE. It in the higher level areas you could ride for hours and only see NPCs....

Lumsdenml

Who is on the PTS? Interested to see how the upcoming changes are actually working in game. Templars still viable with a nerf to the beam?

Luthid

Defialed wrote: »

@Luthid pfft "Trouble" is my Second middle name...after "Danger" of course.

Is "Stranger" your first name? Because Stranger Danger Trouble has quite a ring to it. It's actually too bad I don't have any character slots left

Mjollo

Luthid wrote: »

Defialed wrote: »

@Luthid pfft "Trouble" is my Second middle name...after "Danger" of course.

Is "Stranger" your first name? Because Stranger Danger Trouble has quite a ring to it. It's actually too bad I don't have any character slots left

Unfortunately, No. It's Kevin.

Reverb

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Who is on the PTS? Interested to see how the upcoming changes are actually working in game. Templars still viable with a nerf to the beam?

I haven't been on PTS since the most recent patch, but was before that. Both in Cyro and in duels the nerf was barely noticeable. Last patch notes say is wasn't applying the 21% reduction consistently, that may have been why.

TipsyDrow

Just_call_me_Cola wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Defialed wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Hmmm.. I think I am going to start using that line. The next time someone tells me to shut up because they have been here since day one. My new response will be "Zip it noob, I have 4,380 hours PvP experience".

I have Four thousand three hundred and eighty one hours of PvP Experience so what ever you say, I have seniority.

Whatever, I killed Molag Bal.

Pfft. I sacrificed that chick from the mages guild to sheogorath. And I didn't even need the 2 extra skill point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa6Kv1fOStM

Just_call_me_Cola

Defialed wrote: »

Luthid wrote: »

Defialed wrote: »

@Luthid pfft "Trouble" is my Second middle name...after "Danger" of course.

Is "Stranger" your first name? Because Stranger Danger Trouble has quite a ring to it. It's actually too bad I don't have any character slots left

Unfortunately, No. It's Kevin.

Neeeeeeeeeerd

Valen_Byte

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Defialed wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Hmmm.. I think I am going to start using that line. The next time someone tells me to shut up because they have been here since day one. My new response will be "Zip it noob, I have 4,380 hours PvP experience".

I have Four thousand three hundred and eighty one hours of PvP Experience so what ever you say, I have seniority.

Whatever, I killed Molag Bal.

Cadwells pot or gtfo ; ))

Lumsdenml

Valen_Byte wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Defialed wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Hmmm.. I think I am going to start using that line. The next time someone tells me to shut up because they have been here since day one. My new response will be "Zip it noob, I have 4,380 hours PvP experience".

I have Four thousand three hundred and eighty one hours of PvP Experience so what ever you say, I have seniority.

Whatever, I killed Molag Bal.

Cadwells pot or gtfo ; ))

That stuff is legal here in Washington...

ColoursYouHave

Anybody see the balance changes on yesterday's PTS patch notes? Couple things in there I actually like quite a bit.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Combat & Gameplay

• Fiery Grip:
  • This ability and its morphs can no longer be dodged.
  • This ability and its morphs now grant Major Expedition for 6 seconds, down from 8 seconds.

Developer Comments

To improve Fiery Grip’s reliability, we changed it so the projectile (and subsequent pull/push) cannot be dodged. This ensures that enemies using Roll Dodge or Major Evasion do not cause your Fiery Grip cast to be wasted, and makes the Empowering Chains morph (which pushes you to the target) behave consistently with other charge abilities. The Major Expedition buff granted by it was reduced slightly to compensate. Since Fiery Grip is an unusual projectile due to being undodgable and unreflectable, its tooltip has been updated for additional clarity.

• Daedric Summoning
  • Haunting Curse (Deadric Curse morph): This morph continues to explode twice per cast, but now explodes once after 3.5 seconds and again after an additional 8.5 seconds.

Developer Comments

We initially changed Haunting Curse to boost Sorcerer PvE DPS by freeing up global cooldowns. Due to the overwhelming response from the community on this change, we’ve decided to allow Curse to retain its previous PvP burst potential while being more effective in PvE. If you want to cast Haunting Curse every 3.5 seconds for fast attacks on blocking targets, that’s an option. If you’d like to get more out of your cooldowns, then only cast it every 12 seconds to get 2 explosions. The choice is yours!

• Aedric Spear
  • Binding Javelin (Piercing Javelin morph): Reduced the cost of this morph by approximately 20%.

Developer Comments

As all Weapon skill lines have a 20% Stamina cost reduction passive, we also included this reduction with class Stamina morphs. Binding Javelin and Biting Jabs were missed when this initially happened. Fixing this bug and giving these abilities their correct costs should help Stamina Templar with some of the sustain issues they were having.

• Biting Jabs (Puncturing Strikes morph):
  • Reduced the cost of this morph by approximately 20%.
  • The damage from this morph can no longer be dodged.

Developer Comments

Changed as part of our overall Area of Effect consistency pass as described earlier.

• Piercing Javelin: Increased the speed of the projectile fired by this ability and its morphs by 40%.

First, I want to say that I absolutely love the developer comments, and hope they continue to do this in the future. I've talked about this in other threads before, but I think one of the largest problems with ZOS balancing is not how they balance the game, but the lack of communication about why they decide to make certain changes. Typically, when ZOS has made balance changes in the past, they pretty much just threw some patch notes at us then never spoke of it again. And in doing this without providing any context or explanation of what direction they are trying to take the game in with their changes, it creates the feeling that they don't really have a bigger picture in mind when they are balancing, and make changes without any good reason to do so. While it isn't a perfect solution, and they still have many issues with balance that need to be worked out moving forward, I think this is a huge step in the right direction towards building a better relationship with their community.

I'm actually really excited to see that they are making Fiery Grip undodgeable, since it has been nearly useless due to how common shuffle is, and how easy it is to dodge roll away from it. Now Magicka DKs won't be forced to waste their valuable stamina pool on Invasion in order to have a reliable gap closer, and I personally, won't need to decide whether or not I want to sacrifice my ability to CC break just to prevent somebody from running away from a fight. Hell, making Fiery Grip actually work even opens up the possibility of running DW (which is what I used on my first iteration of my Magicka DK before switching to S&B because chains was so unreliable) or Destro for a more damage-centric build while still being able to have a decent gap closer.

I think the change to Curse is pretty self-explanatory, as delaying the first explosion would really hurt Magicka Sorc's burst potential in PVP. Now, not only can people use the skill the same way they always have, but you could say it has been slightly buffed since if you forget to recast after the first explosion, or are taking too much pressure to recast, you'll still get another explosion without ever needing to recast. This is also a great example of why I love the new developer comments, as their explanation as to why they initially changed the skill does make since, and shows that their intention was to buff it rather than nerf it. Not only that, but they've demonstrated that they are really listening to the community with the latest change, and IMO they handled the changes exceptionally well by still fulfilling their initial goal of freeing up cooldowns for PVE DPS, while also providing the same burst potential for PVP. I definitely need to applaud ZOS for this one, both with the changes they've made and the commentary for why they made them.

With Stamplar being my favorite class archetype in the game (at least so far, still a couple classes I haven't even tried), I am really excited for some of these changes, and will definitely be rolling a new one to play in BWB with. The general consensus seems to be that Stamplar's are the weakest Stam builds out there, but I always tell people not to sleep on them. Personally, I think Stamplar's are quite a bit better than people give them credit for, and by allowing them to focus more into damage by making some of their core class skills less resource intensive (as well as making their class CC more difficult to avoid), I wouldn't be surprised to see Stamplars eventually become much more common in the meta.

Adenoma

I ended up running 2h/dw stamplar in BwB. It was vicious. I would have 10k dawnbreaker of smitings. It was a weird build though - huge damage and max stam, then had to kill and repent to sustain.

FWIW, no gap closer heavy armor magDK is super fun. I play that a lot in vet and in nonvet. Otherwise, I have some silly plans with destro/resto magDK coming up.

Stridig

Adenoma wrote: »

I ended up running 2h/dw stamplar in BwB. It was vicious. I would have 10k dawnbreaker of smitings. It was a weird build though - huge damage and max stam, then had to kill and repent to sustain.

FWIW, no gap closer heavy armor magDK is super fun. I play that a lot in vet and in nonvet. Otherwise, I have some silly plans with destro/resto magDK coming up.

Where are you? I can't solo resources. I'm not good enough.

Luthid

Adenoma wrote: »

I ended up running 2h/dw stamplar in BwB. It was vicious. I would have 10k dawnbreaker of smitings. It was a weird build though - huge damage and max stam, then had to kill and repent to sustain..

LOL, I think you caught me twice in a row on the north side of bleakers with that build. I was so worked up, "who the everloving ____ has dawnbreaker in here?!?" and much more colourful things.

Adenoma

Crescent sweep is crappy cheap dawnbreaker in next update. It helps me be lazy.

Valen_Byte

DB is cheesy AF : ))

Reverb

Valen_Byte wrote: »

DB is cheesy AF : ))

It's funny, I'm seeing more and more of what I consider end-game ultimates in bwb. Lots more meteors lately, and they seem really weak. Lots of soul assault recently as well, and that hits pretty hard. By contrast, I rarely see DB in bwb, but it always seems to hit like a damn freight train.

TipsyDrow

Reverb wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

DB is cheesy AF : ))

It's funny, I'm seeing more and more of what I consider end-game ultimates in bwb. Lots more meteors lately, and they seem really weak. Lots of soul assault recently as well, and that hits pretty hard. By contrast, I rarely see DB in bwb, but it always seems to hit like a damn freight train.

Lots of meteors and soul assaults because they are both easily attained now at low lvls. Dawnbreaker can also be pretty easily attined just by farming dolmans for jewlery. What can't be attained is the ability for me to type and spell correctly, i am leave this mess as is.

TipsyDrow

Also stamplar is going to be fairly nasty this coming update.

Adenoma

Dawnbreaker is pretty easy to get now. You can't get dawnbreaker of smiting as easily. I love all the folks that farm meteor - I'll just block it and take 3k or something.

I don't think that stamplar will be too much better than it already is. The jabs switch is great, but that was sort of easy to avoid using CC and walking around them like with dizzying swing.

DeadlyRecluse

Adenoma wrote: »

Dawnbreaker is pretty easy to get now. You can't get dawnbreaker of smiting as easily. I love all the folks that farm meteor - I'll just block it and take 3k or something.

I don't think that stamplar will be too much better than it already is. The jabs switch is great, but that was sort of easy to avoid using CC and walking around them like with dizzying swing.

The cost reductions are great though (see your earlier comment about sustain on stamplar). Heck, the cost reduction and speed increase on javelin makes it a pretty great skill for group play and keepplay, too.

Adenoma

Totally forgot about the cost reductions! You're 100% right. I still think that I'll favor stamDK or stam sorc. Especially with them changing poison inject to the last skill in the bow skill line. I feel like BwB stamplar dps will be dw/2h or bust.

gabriebe

I did get Soul Assault last time around when I was Janet, because if I need to grind and level a toon to level 10, I figured I might as well get something extra at the end for it. As emp, that 45K damage over 3.9 seconds was very sweet to inflict, and the blue flame pop was a nice touch. One shotting players standing behind their oil or their ballista on the keep wall truly never got old.

PS: Sorry Pem, yes I did tea-bag you a long time ago when everyone was doing it, realized quickly it was kind of a *** move after someone explained to me why, decided I wouldn't do it again. Soz.

W0lf_z13

welcome to the forum Gabe! only time i T-Bag someone is out of revenge lol... if i get t-bagged then i hunt that person down and tbag them back.... doesnt happen to often now a days though... unless it was like monday night where PUGz was trolling the *** out of EP at bleaks lol

vamp_emily

gabriebe wrote: »

One shotting players standing behind their oil or their ballista on the keep wall truly never got old.

Now I know why the noob squad hated you so much as an Emp. You took their only skill ( standing behind a siege ) away from them.

You won't see me t-bagging many players. The following are the reasons I t-bag.

1. I don't like you, mmhmm, I really don't like you.
2. Seriously? You flag Glade while we have the entire alliance is at Ash fighting an AD poplock. T-bag time.
3. Didn't you just t-bag me? T-bag time.
4. Oops! I t-bagged you on accident

W0lf_z13

"accident" lol

Lumsdenml

Trifaction fights at last emp keep always a good time...

vamp_emily

Yesterday, I had to order a new keyboard.

This is the very first time, in my entire life, I had to replace a keyboard because I wore it out. So far playing this game, I have broken my mouse and a few keys on my keyboard. I'm such a gamer now