PvP, PvE or RP - Which do you enjoy most?

Rayya_Blackheart

PvE

I'm a die hard PvE'er I love it. I've gone into PvP as a healer but it's just not my cup of tea. It's an entirely different play style and I haven't found anyone who really can show me what the hell it is I'm supposed to be doing besides spamming guard, siege shield, and healing springs. >.<

KenaPKK

PvP

@Rayya_Blackheart you should go ask questions in the alliance war forum or fish in zone chat for a talkative and helpful PvP healer to show you the ropes! A lot of great PvPers are super helpful and approachable. Go find yourself a group with some competent players to learn with! PvP has a learning curve and requires some initiative to learn what's going on, but it's worth it!

PainfulFAFA

PvP

"enjoy"
theres nothing to enjoy about pvp anymore since 1.6(aoe cap) that introduced the damn lag that has destroyed everything that eso could have been and zos wont admit despite pvp being on the lead. i log on and guess what, the game literally tells me when to stop playing (after the 2nd or 3rd pvp server crash) and i dont even have to click anything lol

Xvorg

PvE

I play PvP mostly. The thing is that PvP is not something you enjoy because it is a challenge, a very hard one (with bugs, lag, CE, flying gap closers, Malubeats, 1 button templars, 2 buttons templars, zergs, zerg balls, pugs, rotweillers, gankers, antigankers, dizz swingers, bomblades, DBoSmithers, shields, shields that explode, permablockers, etc...)

I got no gratification playing PvP. I get gold and AP that I can turn into gold buy buying PvP sets with green coins, and set pcs that I can turn into gold, so I can respec as much as possible. At the end of the day, there's no satisfaction in PvP. There will never be. Just the wrong idea that I'm "better" than the guy who's struggling with the lag, or the ilusion I'm good just for using a cookie cutter build published by a guy with the imagination I lack.

On the contrary, in PvE I can do whatever I want in anyway possible. Want to finish VMSa just using one bar? Want to do a hybrid build and finish the game with it? Want to kill a NPC? Want to be a thief? Want to hang out with a couple of strangers beating dungeons, making pledges, trials, feeling my contribution to the team was necessary? And if I fail... I can start again, once and again, never losing anything, never worried about the tick, the defensive tick, or the ganker behind the tree.

Nevertheless, ZoS sold me this as a (mostly) PvP game, and I'm still believing it will be... someday. In the meantime the only thing I can do is test it. Maybe one day it is ready... or maybe I get bored.

Volrion

PvP

Pvp is much more enjoyable for me.

But, performance issues force me out of it after a while so I end up running Dungeons or farming.

Pvp DLC (arena/bgrounds) will hopefully improve that for us.

heystreethawk

PvP

I was going to preface this statement with a qualifier-- "when PvP is working how it should", something like that-- but it's not even necessary, not yet. It's a crucial thing, server performance. The game hinges on it. We all know that PvP performance is intermittently awful, and that it shouldn't be. You probably know this even if you don't PvP. ZOS knows it too; they can't exactly moan in public about the fact that they haven't been able to fix it yet, but I'm sure it keeps a lot of people on their team up at night. They know; ink blot of a hand.

What ZOS might not know is how many people might agree with the more important part, the bit that I've realized doesn't need a preface at all: ESO PvP is the most fun I've ever had in a computer game. Bar none.

It will fade into memory if people continue to give up on it, and that's where the preface comes in. That's when we have to look at the qualifiers, the black spots, the waning patience and the looming exodus of the playerbase. But the downsides don't mean much if I don't tell you how much I love the PvP, and how much I want to stay in love with PvP.

I'm 30 years old, and I've played things. I've played computer games since I could read. I bought Apogee and iD Software games with my allowance money, based on the shareware. I bought the demo for Daggerfall-- the demo!-- at K-Mart, for $5 USD. For my 13th birthday, my mom got me a cake with the Quake logo on it; she didn't need to ask. I didn't play MUDs, I wasn't that hardcore, but I did play EverQuest on a 56k connection, and we only had the one phone line. Nothing has ever been as exciting or as gratifying to me as ESO PvP, regardless of genre, regardless of multiplayer capacities. PvP is the reason I've remained a subscriber since launch day, and I'm more invested in it than I've been invested in any other game.

I'm not necessarily an MMO guy. I played a few MMOs substantially, including DAOC, but I've never felt gripped by MMO PvP until now. The biggest difference to me is that in other MMOs, combat feels like you're just ordering your character to attack, to move around, to use skills, to drink potions. Your character obeys.

In ESO PvP, you feel like you're a soldier on a battlefield. You are here, and you are always in danger. Cyrodiil is frantic, kinetic, chaotic. I'll make use of the abandoned preface now: when PvP is working how it should, when it's not lagging too much, it's incredibly responsive. Things can change in an instant. You have to be ready to react; your whole team has to be ready to react. You need to be ready to do one thing at one moment, and a different thing at the next. Skill and experience matter more than anything else-- not experience in the sense of CP, but experience in the sense that a military officer has experience. They have been at war for a while, and they know how to survive. We're talking about an MMO, a genre where success can traditionally be predicted by a spreadsheet, and skill is the determining factor. It's crazy.

People complain about how players with better gear, with more champion points, with higher alliance rank, have an insurmountable advantage over them -- that's nonsense. Those players have an advantage because they've played for a longer amount of time, and they've played with the other people on their team long enough to play like a team. This is an MMO where you can have an advantage over an enemy player just by paying more attention than they do. That is beautiful, and it's completely unheard of. It's ridiculous.

People complain that numbers matter; they do, but not as much as you think they do. Can you win a fight with 5 people vs. 20? Usually not, though it's not impossible, or unheard of. Your odds are much better with 10 people vs. 30, if you're good. Other people want to be superhuman, self-sustaining killing machines, and they complain that they can't fight 5 people by themselves. It's an MMO, though. I have no comment other than that.

There are balance issues. The snares are ridiculous; bombard is ridiculous. This isn't the place to talk about that, however.

People complain about the lag, and that's justified. But the lag goes away; you're frustrated by it, but you persevere, and all of a sudden the lag isn't there anymore. I can deal with it, and my guild can usually deal with it. Other people can't; they don't have the time to ride it out. It's potentially gamebreaking, and it has already broken the game for a great many people. My guild won't stick it out forever, and that is a heartbreaking thought.

If there wasn't so much lag in Cyrodiil, every single person who pays attention to contemporary gaming would know how good ESO PvP is. ESO would be known as a competitive gaming hallmark; it would be up there with DotA, with Starcraft, with Quake, or it would tower over them in eyes the gaming community. It would be an e-sport; ESO would be known for its PvP. Players would subscribe for years on end, like me. But I understand why they don't, even if the joy of the game overshadows the flaws for me.

I don't care if Camelot Unchained ever comes out; I care that ZOS puts more time and care into ESO. I care that more people know how good PvP can be, and that the people who already know this are not neglected or ignored by the developers. I care that my friends continue to play the game, continue to strive to be as good at the game as they can be. I know that when their passion fades, the game will no longer be worth all the downsides and frustrations. I started this post resolute that the pleasures of Cyrodiil outweigh everything that's wrong with it, and by now I've remembered that my feelings won't even matter if the people I play with or the people I play against no longer agree.

I'm not of the belief that Zenimax doesn't care about PvP. But I don't think they understand how many of us care about PvP, and how player exodus is a domino effect that can't be undone. I don't think they understand that the players they have right now could be grains of sand on a beach compared to what they'd have if they fixed the performance in Cyrodiil.

Please, ZOS: you have made something beautiful here. I maintain that it is still beautiful; I maintain that is the most fun I've ever had in a game. But that will be irrelevant if the remaining players who feel the way I do give up on ESO altogether. You know what you have to do, and I hope you know how much we care.

zuto40

PvP

KenaPKK wrote: »

They always act and react differently.

Come on now, we both know thats a lie

threefarms

My favorite part is the lag.

Maztiax

RP

ERP all day e'ry day

RebornV3x

PvP

just wish this game would stop crashing every 2 hours

bedlom

PvE

I love to dabble in everything tbh. But PVE and RP are the main reasons I come to an mmorpg.

I'll never forget the first time I played WOW many years ago in a RP server.
It was the best gaming experience I have ever had (RP wise)
I couldn't get my head around the fact these were real people I was seeing, immersing me in stories more than any NPC.

Unfortunally I have never had that full RP experience again, although ESO on PC before console launch gave me some pretty close ones.
First time I played ESO just after launch another player dressed in servants garbs followed me around daggerfall begging for gold (doing emotes an all)
So I gave him 1 gold and he thanked me with true gratitude.

Made me smile as I saw him an hour later still in daggerfall lying around and begging others acting like a true beggar.
I wish there was more players like this : )

jircris11

RP

Pve and rp are the same for me

Roechacca

PvP

ERP

Lysette

RP

jircris11 wrote: »

Pve and rp are the same for me

The difference is, that someone who is not into role play might just grind in a certain spot and level his character up - for him the PvE part is just about gaining XP, nothing more - a role player would not do it that way.

Father_X_Zombie

PvP

Just hit Praetorian last night

Lysette

RP

I have to say, after I have watched Fengrush playing for a couple of hours - I have even less interest to ever try PvP in this game, it is horrible IMO - I cannot see what is fun doing it like that - and Fengrush is said to be a good player, isn't he?

failkiwib16_ESO

PvE

Lysette wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Pve and rp are the same for me

The difference is, that someone who is not into role play might just grind in a certain spot and level his character up - for him the PvE part is just about gaining XP, nothing more - a role player would not do it that way.

Most players I've met in this game care to quest with their main characters untill all base game content is unlocked. Then they start grinding for champion points or grind new characters up. That including roleplayers, pve'ers and pvp'ers.

The new characters they grind up will still have to go through certain questlines to unlock skills, map locations and gain skillpoints.

Lysette wrote: »

I have to say, after I have watched Fengrush playing for a couple of hours - I have even less interest to ever try PvP in this game, it is horrible IMO - I cannot see what is fun doing it like that - and Fengrush is said to be a good player, isn't he?

Your opinion is based on a guy's opinion who makes money off of you watching him, and some months ago made a ragequit video about ESO.

Pvp in this game is very fun, if done casually and you go there with a group of close friends you like, with the mindset of having fun, and focus on completing a few pvp quests.

Stay away from pvp in prime time, it's where it's most laggy.

Maztiax

RP

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

Just hit Praetorian last night

does it look like i care

Father_X_Zombie

PvP

Maztiax wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

Just hit Praetorian last night

does it look like i care

It's a pole jerk, you don't have to

CherryCake

RP

All of them, but in each of them I RP... Not with other people, I am too shy for that, but its a fantasy game...I create my own fantasy around my character.

Tandor

PvE

Lysette wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Pve and rp are the same for me

The difference is, that someone who is not into role play might just grind in a certain spot and level his character up - for him the PvE part is just about gaining XP, nothing more - a role player would not do it that way.

Or he might do the quests, enjoy the storyline, explore and loads of other things like crafting, earning achievements, fishing etc - you don't have to be a role-player to do those things. Some, however, will do all those things "in character" and for them there is no difference between PvE and RP.

Maztiax

RP

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

Maztiax wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

Just hit Praetorian last night

does it look like i care

It's a pole jerk, you don't have to

My bad I'll leave your pole alone

menedhyn

PvE

Tandor wrote: »

Or he might do the quests, enjoy the storyline, explore and loads of other things like crafting, earning achievements, fishing etc - you don't have to be a role-player to do those things. Some, however, will do all those things "in character" and for them there is no difference between PvE and RP.

Yep.