Race change NEEDS an included name change.

Arato

I've posted this in the official feedback but I think it's an important enough point that it really needs to stand out.

TES has rich lore and has different naming conventions for each race. Because of how immersive this game is, it encourages a lot of people to really try and make lore appropriate names for their characters. I see them everywhere when I'm riding around, people really put in some effort into their names to make them fit their race and the lore and the world. ZOS you should be proud of your playerbase for this. Even if these people never get involved in community roleplay, I think a majority of players really want their characters to be someone who "lives" in Tamriel.

With that said, if they decide to change their race, now their carefully thought of name no longer fits their race. They have to purchase a separate name change token in order to have a character that still feels like it really fits in Nirn. You shouldn't double dip your players, and you should not punish people for trying to have lore appropriate characters, you should encourage people to have lore appropriate characters, as that encourages a more immersive and engrossing experience for everyone. If race changes are more expensive because of this, so be it, as long as they're not as expensive as both a name and race change separately, but be good to your customers. This really needs to happen.

baratron

Good grief. You mean, race change doesn't already include a name change?!

Yeah, that really needs to be a package deal.

Arato

baratron wrote: »

Good grief. You mean, race change doesn't already include a name change?!

Yeah, that really needs to be a package deal.

Nope, the option to change name in a race change is greyed out.

ADarklore

I think people should feel LUCKY they are even getting a race change... and ESO isn't maintained by giving away freebies. It is YOUR choice to change your race, and if you make that choice then you should also be willing to pay for a name change if your CHOICE to change races causes you some RP anxieties.

Arato

Not when ZOS changes the race's stats on you which WASN'T your choice.

CasNation

They should probably go for 3 tokens to make the community happy:

- Name change, pure and simple
- appearance rework, just get that plastic surgery you always wanted, but not change race.
- complete character rework, all of the above included that allows you to make any and all changes to your character except class.

Obviously the third would cost more than either of the first two, but less than both combined.

code65536

As I've posted elsewhere, the 3 changes should be supersets of each other.

1. Name change
2. Name change + appearance change
3. Name change + appearance change + race change

Keep in mind that appearance change includes the possibility of changing the sex of your character, for which a name change is often a must.

Lucky28

I think this all depends on how they're going to price it. i really hope ZoS won't make this stupidly expensive.

CasNation

code65536 wrote: »

As I've posted elsewhere, the 3 changes should be supersets of each other.

1. Name change
2. Name change + appearance change
3. Name change + appearance change + race change

Keep in mind that appearance change includes the possibility of changing the sex of your character, for which a name change is often a must.

Ah, I did forget that appearance change does include the possibility of a sex change. That distribution definitely makes sense then.

Easily_Lost

CasNation wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

As I've posted elsewhere, the 3 changes should be supersets of each other.

1. Name change
2. Name change + appearance change
3. Name change + appearance change + race change

Keep in mind that appearance change includes the possibility of changing the sex of your character, for which a name change is often a must.

Ah, I did forget that appearance change does include the possibility of a sex change. That distribution definitely makes sense then.

If you are going to do subsets they why not have it in the following order:

1. appearance change
2. appearance change + name change
3. appearance change + name change + race change

You may not need to change name if you don't want to. ( i.e. change tattoo )

CasNation

hagermanj wrote: »

CasNation wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

As I've posted elsewhere, the 3 changes should be supersets of each other.

1. Name change
2. Name change + appearance change
3. Name change + appearance change + race change

Keep in mind that appearance change includes the possibility of changing the sex of your character, for which a name change is often a must.

Ah, I did forget that appearance change does include the possibility of a sex change. That distribution definitely makes sense then.

If you are going to do subsets they why not have it in the following order:

1. appearance change
2. appearance change + name change
3. appearance change + name change + race change

You may not need to change name if you don't want to. ( i.e. change tattoo )

Maybe, but what if I want to change my name and not my appearance? Maybe ZOS did make the right move keeping them all separate....

Zinaroth

code65536 wrote: »

As I've posted elsewhere, the 3 changes should be supersets of each other.

1. Name change
2. Name change + appearance change
3. Name change + appearance change + race change

Keep in mind that appearance change includes the possibility of changing the sex of your character, for which a name change is often a must.

What if I want to change my race and appearence but not my name? Would I then be forced to pay a higher cost than currently because it also includes a name change option? In that case I prefer the current model since that would save me crowns. Keep in mind that we aren't all RPers.

code65536

Zinaroth wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

As I've posted elsewhere, the 3 changes should be supersets of each other.

1. Name change
2. Name change + appearance change
3. Name change + appearance change + race change

Keep in mind that appearance change includes the possibility of changing the sex of your character, for which a name change is often a must.

What if I want to change my race and appearence but not my name? Would I then be forced to pay a higher cost than currently because it also includes a name change option? In that case I prefer the current model since that would save me crowns. Keep in mind that we aren't all RPers.

You know, the prices (which we still don't know anything about yet) are all arbitrarily set. If they were interested in maintaining the good will of their player base, they can choose to make appearance+name cost the same as what they planned to charge for appearance.

Tonnopesce

Not everybody is "lore friendly", one of my toons name is mietitrebbia, literally grain harvester...
But i see the point and especially for argonians and kajit is quite important that the name mach the race.

STEVIL

Sorry price each individually and reasonably.

No sense to bundle anything if the prices are reasonable to begin with.

Arato

STEVIL wrote: »

Sorry price each individually and reasonably.

No sense to bundle anything if the prices are reasonable to begin with.

There should be a bundle that's cheaper than buying them all separately though. People don't like getting double dipped.

NewBlacksmurf

How about just offering any combinations for one token and move on. KISS.

Meaning the price of the tokens shouldn't be interpreted as one is for name, or race or gender or appearance because we all have different values associated with each depending upon our reasons for change.

Just set a one token cost and go allow all changes per token usage.

Anhedonie

STEVIL wrote: »

Sorry price each individually and reasonably.

No sense to bundle anything if the prices are reasonable to begin with.

Zenimax is notorious for their price policy.

Lord_Eomer

Name change does not matter as I am still seeing everyone prefering login id display..

If they can give free 1st race change, that would be awesome..

ADarklore

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Name change does not matter as I am still seeing everyone prefering login id display..

If they can give free 1st race change, that would be awesome..

I'm sure it's because many console players haven't checked the setting to enable character name since before, they only could display login ID. On PC, it's always been character names.

bebynnag

does race change include appearance change as it stands? i assume it does, because if someone wanted to change from a khajit to a woodelf (not that this one ever would) would they get stuck with a preset woodelf? would they still look like a khajit, but with woodelf passives.... this one is confused!

ZoM_Head

ADarklore wrote: »

I think people should feel LUCKY they are even getting a race change... and ESO isn't maintained by giving away freebies. It is YOUR choice to change your race, and if you make that choice then you should also be willing to pay for a name change if your CHOICE to change races causes you some RP anxieties.

You could not be more incorrect.

Since update 5 kicked in (Imperial City), the amount of changes that were done are just silly, especially with the content that was pushed out with it.

Changing skills, passives and champion points dramatically and keeping all Racial changes exactly the same, no sir we should not feel lucky at all, it is well overdue for a racial change option.

Nords for example were probably and arguably the best tanking class, despite the less health and stamina compared to Imperials, but without a paygate. That 6% less damage was so valuable, untill IC was launched and we got HARD CAPS.

You do not play a game for a year and a half and do such changes, and leave the racial changes out, sure some tweaks were made, but hard caps still are in place and champion points moved around and major skill changes such as DKs and NBs dealing poison and disease damage to scale with CP and LEAVEING racials alone and no option to change.

Lucky? no, it is well overdue since late 2015 when IC/Update 5 kicked in.

RP has very little to do with end game PvE and PvP, and everything i mentioned effects end game PvE and/or PvP.

With that said, if you can change your appearance with your race, you should be able to change your name. Funny to see a Khajiit char names This One Like to swim, change to an Imperial with the same name imo.

STEVIL

Arato wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Sorry price each individually and reasonably.

No sense to bundle anything if the prices are reasonable to begin with.

There should be a bundle that's cheaper than buying them all separately though. People don't like getting double dipped.

We disagree then. I want them all priced to the bundle price not inflated if bought individually.

Bundles make sense when there is a shared overhead and so more t9gether saves money. This isnt such a case.

A bundle here would just say they overpriced the singles.

imredneckson

Arato wrote: »

I've posted this in the official feedback but I think it's an important enough point that it really needs to stand out.

TES has rich lore and has different naming conventions for each race. Because of how immersive this game is, it encourages a lot of people to really try and make lore appropriate names for their characters. I see them everywhere when I'm riding around, people really put in some effort into their names to make them fit their race and the lore and the world. ZOS you should be proud of your playerbase for this. Even if these people never get involved in community roleplay, I think a majority of players really want their characters to be someone who "lives" in Tamriel.

With that said, if they decide to change their race, now their carefully thought of name no longer fits their race. They have to purchase a separate name change token in order to have a character that still feels like it really fits in Nirn. You shouldn't double dip your players, and you should not punish people for trying to have lore appropriate characters, you should encourage people to have lore appropriate characters, as that encourages a more immersive and engrossing experience for everyone. If race changes are more expensive because of this, so be it, as long as they're not as expensive as both a name and race change separately, but be good to your customers. This really needs to happen.

I hear ya, I cant change my NB to an Argonian and keep Merser Frey as his name I mean like WTF kinda sense would that make