Does the Warden Class or similar skill lines feel palpably missing to you in ESO?

dodgehopper_ESO

With all the attention made in terms of storyline to nature magic, survivalists and the like, does it not seem very much odd that such a class or skill line is missing in the game? We keep seeing featured costumes on sale for treeminders and treedwelling Bosmer, Wyrd Tree Breton styles, etc. As one plays the story content these types of abilities and powers also very much feel missing from the game from the player-side of things. Its clear that such powers are prevalent throughout Tamriel in multiple cultures, and yet we simply do not see them available to the player. I feel like this element feels missing, and I'm wondering if others feel the same as well. How would you best like to see them implement access to some nature magic/skills to the player?

yodased

There were two other classes before launch, warden was one of them. They were rolled into the other classes, so hell freezes you may see it yet

dodgehopper_ESO

yodased wrote: »

There were two other classes before launch, warden was one of them. They were rolled into the other classes, so hell freezes you may see it yet

@yodased I reckon they could go the easy road and simply offer a skill line/dlc releasing these kinds of skills/spells.

Lightninvash

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

There were two other classes before launch, warden was one of them. They were rolled into the other classes, so hell freezes you may see it yet

@yodased I reckon they could go the easy road and simply offer a skill line/dlc releasing these kinds of skills/spells.

if they released a skill line dlc and the class was good then it would be considered p2w or even if it was a skill line. Since you would have to buy it to play that class/ skill line. Many in the community wouldn't like it. I however, say no big deal as I buy all the dlc lol

Tipsy

if they release a warden i'd like to convert my templar to it

starkerealm

The thing about the two missing classes is they were removed fairly early in development. The classes never even popped up in the early closed betas. A lot of elements got moved over to other classes. So, they weren't simply "cut" from the game so they could be sold back later. They're not missing from the game, except in the very general sense that there's no secondary class for light or medium armor users. That's it, though.

Tipsy

It would be cool though if you get the ability at 300 Champion points to devote yourself to 1 general tree;
warrior ,thief,mage.

Then a new kind of endgame progression will start; unlocking new classes within the chosen path category

BlackSparrow

While it would be cool from a roleplaying perspective (especially since one of my characters is motivated by protecting nature!), I do wonder whether Warden-type characters would typically be the adventuring type. Most of the warden types we meet in the game and in lore tend to stick to one spot/grove/spirit/magical tree of whatever the local flavor of magic tree is/otherwise naturally mystical location... which tends to root (heh) them in one spot.

But yeah. Would have been a cool class to have.

AlnilamE

Not at all, actually.

Kendaric

I'd love to see the warden class, but it's unlikely to happen at this point.

I'd also love to see true TES magic skill lines, i.e. conjuration, destruction, mysticism, illusion, alteration and restoration instead of having these shoehorned into classes or staves. But, unfortunately, that is equally unlikely.

Selique

starkerealm wrote: »

The thing about the two missing classes is they were removed fairly early in development. The classes never even popped up in the early closed betas. A lot of elements got moved over to other classes. So, they weren't simply "cut" from the game so they could be sold back later. They're not missing from the game, except in the very general sense that there's no secondary class for light or medium armor users. That's it, though.

Can't miss what we never had.

Molag_Crow

I'd love to see a Druidic-like class for real, that uses nature damage and healing spells and can summon creatures such as Bears to tank & taunt aggro or something.

starkerealm

Selique wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

The thing about the two missing classes is they were removed fairly early in development. The classes never even popped up in the early closed betas. A lot of elements got moved over to other classes. So, they weren't simply "cut" from the game so they could be sold back later. They're not missing from the game, except in the very general sense that there's no secondary class for light or medium armor users. That's it, though.

Can't miss what we never had.

Well, in some cases, particularly with Negate Magic, it's stuff we actually do have.

Tryxus

Pretty sure some of the NPC enemies, like Shamans (green totem) or Mystics (ice orb/shield other), were based on the Warden class. So even if the class wasn't fully completed, it's still in the game somewhat

I would love to have the Warden class in the game.

Abeille

The nature-based skills not so much, but I do wish I had the ice-based skills some npcs have. I especially like that frozen circle one.

Tipsy

the revival restore skill/effect with the floating leaves is also very nice.I'd switch to warden anyday.
Some of the skills Aranias uses,like the mass roots would be nice to for a dps skill tree.

dodgehopper_ESO

Abeille wrote: »

The nature-based skills not so much, but I do wish I had the ice-based skills some npcs have. I especially like that frozen circle one.

In general I feel like a number of Ice abilities in the game should be added, and that 'Ice' is sorely underrepresented, likely because there is no race with a bonus to ice damage.

Niastissa

I'm honestly not sure. I don't want this game to stray away from the Elder Scrolls tradition.

Vaoh

@starkerealm That was a very, very good observation. Insightful

From the character creator:

Dragonknight ~ Heavy Armor
Templar ~ Heavy Armor

Nightblade ~ Medium Armor
Ranger ~ Medium Armor
(not 100% sure if this one was Ranger or something else, as Ranger may have been renamed to Nightblade)

Sorcerer ~ Light Armor
Warden ~ Light Armor

We are missing the Ranger and Warden classes. Maybe one day they will come back...?

Personally I just want Ice-based skills to become part of a real skill line!

Sorcs have Lightning, DKs have Fire, Templars have Light Magic, Nightblades have Dark Magic.... Wardens have Nature Magic.....Ranger is a mystery, but could easily have had Ice. Warden could've also had an Ice skill line.....

Thinking about it kinda makes me sad.

@Kendaric

That is exactly how Spellcrafting will work!

It's been datamined for awhile and it is really cool. Trust me, TES fans will go crazy when it comes out early 2017. I know I will!

starkerealm

Doncellius wrote: »

@starkerealm That was a very, very good observation. Insightful

From the character creator:

Dragonknight ~ Heavy Armor
Templar ~ Heavy Armor

Nightblade ~ Medium Armor
Ranger ~ Medium Armor
(not 100% sure if this one was Ranger or something else, as Ranger may have been renamed to Nightblade)

Sorcerer ~ Light Armor
Warden ~ Light Armor

We are missing the Ranger and Warden classes. Maybe one day they will come back...?

Personally I just want Ice-based skills to become part of a real skill line!

Sorcs have Lightning, DKs have Fire, Templars have Light Magic, Nightblades have Dark Magic.... Wardens have Nature Magic.....Ranger is a mystery, but could easily have had Ice. Warden could've also had an Ice skill line.....

Thinking about it kinda makes me sad.

@Kendaric

That is exactly how Spellcrafting will work!

It's been datamined for awhile and it is really cool. Trust me, TES fans will go crazy when it comes out early 2017. I know I will!

@Doncellius My understanding is that originally there were supposed to be two classes for each armor type. An offensive class, and a defensive class. I'm assuming the Templar was intended to be the offensive heavy armor, and the DK was the defensive heavy armor class, originally. Though it makes about as much sense to assume the DK IS the heavy armor offense class, because of the Templar's support focus.

So, at that point the Nightblade is the offensive medium armor option, and the Sorc is the defensive light armor option (in the single player games, the Sorcerer is consistently one of the tankiest mage classes, so this does fit). In the past I've read the Warden was supposed to be the medium armor support class, and that leaves a light armor offense class, like the Mage, Battlemage or possibly even the Witchunter.

KimberlyannKitsuragi

I feel it's missing. With TG and DB I feel like there should also be the "good" alternative

Kendaric

Doncellius wrote: »

@Kendaric

That is exactly how Spellcrafting will work!

It's been datamined for awhile and it is really cool. Trust me, TES fans will go crazy when it comes out early 2017. I know I will!

So spellcrafting is still coming? I was under the impression that they scrapped it or at least the old system they had planned got scrapped. If it's coming in 2017, that's something to look forward to...

dodgehopper_ESO

starkerealm wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

@starkerealm That was a very, very good observation. Insightful

From the character creator:

Dragonknight ~ Heavy Armor
Templar ~ Heavy Armor

Nightblade ~ Medium Armor
Ranger ~ Medium Armor
(not 100% sure if this one was Ranger or something else, as Ranger may have been renamed to Nightblade)

Sorcerer ~ Light Armor
Warden ~ Light Armor

We are missing the Ranger and Warden classes. Maybe one day they will come back...?

Personally I just want Ice-based skills to become part of a real skill line!

Sorcs have Lightning, DKs have Fire, Templars have Light Magic, Nightblades have Dark Magic.... Wardens have Nature Magic.....Ranger is a mystery, but could easily have had Ice. Warden could've also had an Ice skill line.....

Thinking about it kinda makes me sad.

@Kendaric

That is exactly how Spellcrafting will work!

It's been datamined for awhile and it is really cool. Trust me, TES fans will go crazy when it comes out early 2017. I know I will!

@Doncellius My understanding is that originally there were supposed to be two classes for each armor type. An offensive class, and a defensive class. I'm assuming the Templar was intended to be the offensive heavy armor, and the DK was the defensive heavy armor class, originally. Though it makes about as much sense to assume the DK IS the heavy armor offense class, because of the Templar's support focus.

So, at that point the Nightblade is the offensive medium armor option, and the Sorc is the defensive light armor option (in the single player games, the Sorcerer is consistently one of the tankiest mage classes, so this does fit). In the past I've read the Warden was supposed to be the medium armor support class, and that leaves a light armor offense class, like the Mage, Battlemage or possibly even the Witchunter.

This is pretty interesting. I've wondered for some time if they were holding another class close to their vest for potential release in a dlc or in some crown store sale. It is my own hope however that they'll find a way to open up more skills outside of class, and make the game feel more like Elder Scrolls in the process. My own suggestion would be to offer that a Nature-style set of spells could include a camouflage skill, some kind of thorny root-cc, lurcher summon or some other planty monster summon, and a wasp summon. A heal or poisoning could also be interesting in the form of some kind of pollen grenade/bomb. The point is I'm suggesting something we see prevalent amongst Bosmer, Reachmen & their hags, Wyrd Sisters, Argonians, and Nords following the old way.

On the matter of more ice magic options I wholeheartedly agree. As it stands we're limited to some ice staff abilities and an ice comet ulti.

dodgehopper_ESO

meri20098 wrote: »

I feel it's missing. With TG and DB I feel like there should also be the "good" alternative

While I agree with you in some sense that morally good organizations would be nice to join (Knightly Orders etc) and be a part of in the story, I think a nature skill line would not necessarily be good or evil, though certainly the option could exist. I only bring this up because the Reachmen/Hag's form of nature magic and its intents are clearly not wielded for good.

Panda_iMunch

A lot of abilities seem like they're missing, but ZoS seems to focused on changing the current skills to something different instead of adding more skills in.

It would be awesome if they would take the plunge and make something totally new and really show their new color!

Abeille

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

The nature-based skills not so much, but I do wish I had the ice-based skills some npcs have. I especially like that frozen circle one.

In general I feel like a number of Ice abilities in the game should be added, and that 'Ice' is sorely underrepresented, likely because there is no race with a bonus to ice damage.

Pretty much, yeah. I made a Cryomancer, which is actually just a sorcerer with an Ice Staff using Destruction and Mages Guild skills. I would be willing to reroll if they ever added a class with an Ice Magic skill line (though I would prefer if they added class change if they ever add another class).

Vaoh

Abeille wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

The nature-based skills not so much, but I do wish I had the ice-based skills some npcs have. I especially like that frozen circle one.

In general I feel like a number of Ice abilities in the game should be added, and that 'Ice' is sorely underrepresented, likely because there is no race with a bonus to ice damage.

Pretty much, yeah. I made a Cryomancer, which is actually just a sorcerer with an Ice Staff using Destruction and Mages Guild skills. I would be willing to reroll if they ever added a class with an Ice Magic skill line (though I would prefer if they added class change if they ever add another class).

I still love to run Winterborn on my Magicka Sorc and use as many Ice skills as possible. I have wanted to be an Ice Mage since I created my character!

Also waiting on the Iceheart monster set from Direfrost Keep to become obtainable....

dodgehopper_ESO

Abeille wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

The nature-based skills not so much, but I do wish I had the ice-based skills some npcs have. I especially like that frozen circle one.

In general I feel like a number of Ice abilities in the game should be added, and that 'Ice' is sorely underrepresented, likely because there is no race with a bonus to ice damage.

Pretty much, yeah. I made a Cryomancer, which is actually just a sorcerer with an Ice Staff using Destruction and Mages Guild skills. I would be willing to reroll if they ever added a class with an Ice Magic skill line (though I would prefer if they added class change if they ever add another class).

I would like this as well, although hopefully Spellcrafting will be able to just blur class lines and make adding new classes unnecessary. (My hope)