The daily Undaunted pledge is very unbalanced! ZoS Please answer me.

Wollust

The undaunted daily is game wide the same. The order is set. No idea why you would expect them to tailor the daily to everyone's particular level and needs and wishes and whatever.
Can't finish vICP? Do normal. Get more CP. Get better. Skip the daily and do the next one tomorrow.

Is it that hard?

svartorn

Morathras wrote: »

omfg i am so sick of that ***... it already got nerfed because of ppl like you. how long does it take before you complain that maw of lorkhaj is too difficult? just learn the mechanics

ICP is NOT difficult.

L2P

Oreyn_Bearclaw

One thing I will add about these two dungeons in particular; they are not DPS races. They can be for the most part if you want to skip mechanics and have really good DPS, but people have shown these to be doable with nothing but light attacks if you pay attention to mechanics.

This is true of most places, but the rest of the dungeons are so easy that people are stack and buring everything without even realizing it. They have mechanics too, but they can be ignored by almost any group because they have been nerfed so hard and due to power creep. With enough DPS, you can do that here as well, but most groups are being introduced to "mandatory" mechanics for the first time. You are going to have to either bang your head against them for a while like the rest of us, or find a group willing to carry you a few times. No shame in that, but again, much easier in a good PVE guild.

Edit: Trying to be constructive and not yell, "learn to play."

bebynnag

OP having read your previous posts it appears that you are unaware that pledges are on a set rotation. everybody in the game regardless of platform/faction/CR level/undaunted level receive the exact same pledge

If the system was set up so that you were only given the vet pledge if you had previously completed it, even on normal, everyone would receive different pledges, and finding a group would be unnecessarily difficult

also if there is anyone here on EU xbox who wants to do the pledge....

Shadesofkin

Pugging is a waste of time in most cases, you could easily find guild mates who would help you get through it.

Ghost-Shot

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

One thing I will add about these two dungeons in particular; they are not DPS races. They can be for the most part if you want to skip mechanics and have really good DPS, but people have shown these to be doable with nothing but light attacks if you pay attention to mechanics.

This is true of most places, but the rest of the dungeons are so easy that people are stack and buring everything without even realizing it. They have mechanics too, but they can be ignored by almost any group because they have been nerfed so hard and due to power creep. With enough DPS, you can do that here as well, but most groups are being introduced to "mandatory" mechanics for the first time. You are going to have to either bang your head against them for a while like the rest of us, or find a group willing to carry you a few times. No shame in that, but again, much easier in a good PVE guild.

Edit: Trying to be constructive and not yell, "learn to play."

You need to spend more time with Sneaky, L2P is the only acceptable response.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

One thing I will add about these two dungeons in particular; they are not DPS races. They can be for the most part if you want to skip mechanics and have really good DPS, but people have shown these to be doable with nothing but light attacks if you pay attention to mechanics.

This is true of most places, but the rest of the dungeons are so easy that people are stack and buring everything without even realizing it. They have mechanics too, but they can be ignored by almost any group because they have been nerfed so hard and due to power creep. With enough DPS, you can do that here as well, but most groups are being introduced to "mandatory" mechanics for the first time. You are going to have to either bang your head against them for a while like the rest of us, or find a group willing to carry you a few times. No shame in that, but again, much easier in a good PVE guild.

Edit: Trying to be constructive and not yell, "learn to play."

You need to spend more time with Sneaky, L2P is the only acceptable response.

LMAO. We could also make every new player run with Sneaky for a few hours. Wonder what that would do to Tamriel's population. Haha.

UltimaJoe777

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

So today my veteran pledge is one of the most difficult dungeons. vICP. I admit that my DPS isn't strong enough yet to successfully do a run for this dungeon in the mean time it was given to me regardless. Now as a C187 I'm struggling to find players to complete this dungeon task because people think that I'm too inexperienced. I even feel more sorry for players who are beneath my level who was also given this dungeon as their gold pledge. There is a lot of level discrimination going on, and to be honest I am one of those players.

This is the only day that I'm going to go without doing vet dungeon because it is not suitable for my rank. This is very unjustified and unfair. One of my biggest pleasures in playing this game is to do the daily dungeons (Despite the terrible Dungeon group finder).

ZoS now if you please answer me this. Why would you give a player who don't have significant amount of CP a daily vet dungeon that is truly not suitable for their rank? It's like demanding that a low level player to fight the main story boss without giving them enough time to grow.

This isn't a game problem, it's a social problem. Players can be total jackasses and that can ruin anything for anyone. However, the game is not at fault so requesting something like this will fix nothing. My advice: do it with friends and/or guildmates if you keep getting PUGd with jerks.

DRXHarbinger

Just pugged it in under an hour. Divines scathing breeches finally dropped, only taken since October. Felt like ditching the group on 2nd boss after that. But we stuck at it and tbh the healer and tank were pretty good. Issue was the other dps (the group finder is working perfectly fine btw on console) just spamming swallow soul over and over, not even a light attack. A polite message and thing we're changed and job done, no deaths on warden either. It can be done with pugs and no communication at all.

My reward....2 keys obviously for next dlc be a fool to waste them now...training sheer venom braces and a prosperous warden helm medium, got all 3 weights in prosperous now

rhapsodious

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

My reward....2 keys obviously for next dlc be a fool to waste them now...training sheer venom braces and a prosperous warden helm medium, got all 3 weights in prosperous now

Hey, now you can just swap out helms when one breaks! Prosperous for days!!

For real though, I'd just run with understanding guildies, or group with a friend. Personally, if we recruit someone through zone for the pledge, we really don't mind if they're new - I've met some great people that way. Fantastic people, even.

I hope you at least try it today, just to give it a shot. Good luck!

DRXHarbinger

rhapsodious wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

My reward....2 keys obviously for next dlc be a fool to waste them now...training sheer venom braces and a prosperous warden helm medium, got all 3 weights in prosperous now

Hey, now you can just swap out helms when one breaks! Prosperous for days!!

For real though, I'd just run with understanding guildies, or group with a friend. Personally, if we recruit someone through zone for the pledge, we really don't mind if they're new - I've met some great people that way. Fantastic people, even.

I hope you at least try it today, just to give it a shot. Good luck!

Probably 90% of my main guild was recruited at the pledge spot. Back in the day of everyone going batshit crazy for Engine guardian and too scared for VCOA. Worked a treat. Be nice to people and don't rage at them for not knowing and try and help out and you'll make some gaming buddies. Not calling the OP anything bad here but some people are pretty socially inept and just fail to understand this is a social game.

rhapsodious

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Probably 90% of my main guild was recruited at the pledge spot. Back in the day of everyone going batshit crazy for Engine guardian and too scared for VCOA. Worked a treat. Be nice to people and don't rage at them for not knowing and try and help out and you'll make some gaming buddies. Not calling the OP anything bad here but some people are pretty socially inept and just fail to understand this is a social game.

I hear ya, there. If someone joins from zone and I see they're like CP60 for the gold pledge, I just ask "Have you ran this before?" If the answer is "no" or "not that well", I take a bit before each boss to quickly explain the most important mechanics and why you take note of them. I find that makes it click a lot more with people.

Being nice to people really is the key. And if you're nice and helpful and they're still running pell-mell into enemies or not listening to an important mechanic (had a DPS who kept trying to melee final FG boss whose name I forget despite it clearly not working out for them), then, well, you did what you could. But then you get the VR4 who said you were the nicest group of people she had encountered in dungeons so far and that a bunch of people were yelling at her and making her feel like *** for not being perfect because she didn't know the mechanics. And you feel all warm and fuzzy inside and you make a friend.

Really, it benefits you, because the more people who know the dungeon, the greater chance you'll have of slapping together a group for it or other stuff.

UltimaJoe777

rhapsodious wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Probably 90% of my main guild was recruited at the pledge spot. Back in the day of everyone going batshit crazy for Engine guardian and too scared for VCOA. Worked a treat. Be nice to people and don't rage at them for not knowing and try and help out and you'll make some gaming buddies. Not calling the OP anything bad here but some people are pretty socially inept and just fail to understand this is a social game.

I hear ya, there. If someone joins from zone and I see they're like CP60 for the gold pledge, I just ask "Have you ran this before?" If the answer is "no" or "not that well", I take a bit before each boss to quickly explain the most important mechanics and why you take note of them. I find that makes it click a lot more with people.

Being nice to people really is the key. And if you're nice and helpful and they're still running pell-mell into enemies or not listening to an important mechanic (had a DPS who kept trying to melee final FG boss whose name I forget despite it clearly not working out for them), then, well, you did what you could. But then you get the VR4 who said you were the nicest group of people she had encountered in dungeons so far and that a bunch of people were yelling at her and making her feel like *** for not being perfect because she didn't know the mechanics. And you feel all warm and fuzzy inside and you make a friend.

Really, it benefits you, because the more people who know the dungeon, the greater chance you'll have of slapping together a group for it or other stuff.

Friend system is friendly, enemy system is isolating. Sad thing is when the latter doesn't even care how much people hate them for being a jerk... They just keep doing it anyway.

And it can be ANY dungeon for this stuff too. Hell, I did several scaled runs of vSO with several others on my dps mage. Was my first time doing a trial ever in fact, but I handled myself well and didn't die once as well as contribute to the runs. Not everyone is as improvisional but if I were taking someone on runs I'd tell them what I know and if I don't know and improvise as I go we have fun learning the ropes together. There are some things you just cannot be a hardass about without making yourself look stupid or demeaning.

baratron

Having played extensively on the PTS, I can't wait for the whining which will occur when Veteran Cradle of Shadows is the Pledge, given that the final boss is currently harder than anything in Vet ICP was at release .

OP and anyone else in this situation, take the Pledge and do those difficult dungeons on Normal. The new dungeons: ICP, WGT, Ruins of Mazzatun and Cradle of Shadows all have the same storyline on both Normal and Veteran. So you can do the Normal version and get your Silver Key for it from Glirion the Redbeard.

Slakk

The real sucky thing is that there's already been a lot of nerfing to stuff that shouldn't have been nerfed in the first place, a lot of content has been toned down to the point where someone gets to a dungeon like this with a learning curve and is forced to realize maybe their build just isn't really working out for this kind of content.

You say it's unfair and needs to be nerfed, and then it happens. What's next? vMoL is too difficult?

What happens in a one player game when you reach a boss or a situation that kicks your bum, do you go straight to the internet and look for some guide on how to cheese and cabbage it? Do you try again? Grind a bit? Take a break and come back later? Backtrack looking for a power up you might have missed?
There's always going to be a learning curve no matter what, you nerf something and then something else is the new learning curve. Plenty of 'great' players have also dealt with it at some point in the past. Maybe it was a month ago, maybe it was two years ago.

I gather some pugs are big dummies, but I've joined plenty of 'bad' pugs for this exact dungeon and managed to clear it.
A little time and practice, i'd like to think plenty of people could offer solutions to a struggling group.

Take it for what it is, it's a learning curve. A chance to look at your build and playstyle if there's anything you could do to improve on your end before you lash at those 'lousy pugs' or hope for yet another nerf.
If you don't clear it today, look at what you can do to clear it next time it's in the rotation.

Vangy

1. vICP can be done at CP 160 easy pz. Just need to know mechanics.

2. Find a PVE guild. Make friends. These guilds should have officers or exp players who will guide you.

3. Normally zone-chat pick up groups or group finders dont have the patience or the willingness to carry someone who they feel isnt experienced enough. Normally if vICP or vWGT comes I just queue with my guild. In the rare event that no-one is around to fill a slot or 2 for my group, I go to zone chat just type "CP 501 group LF1M DPS for ______". Normally people respond with ' CP 300 DPS or CP 500 DPS etc etc". Now obviously im going to pick the one with the biggest CP cos of meritocracy. Not discrimination.

Makkir

C0wrex wrote: »

It was long and hard, but worth the pain.

C0wrex

Tryxus wrote: »

C0wrex wrote: »

Took me two hours to get through vICP

It was long and hard, but worth the pain.

A challenging dungeon, but with terrible rewards...

ZOS, buff Warden set pl0x

Tell me about it! Damn that Warden.... really hate dancing...

nine9six wrote: »

C0wrex wrote: »

It was long and hard, but worth the pain.

Giggity.

Hoe hoe hoe

disintegr8

Anyone who doesn't want to run with you purely based on your CP count isn't worth running with. If THEY are that fussy they should not be using group finder. In this regard vet removal has made it easier for people to discriminate against you (once you reach level 50).

On the opposite tack, if you can complete everything before you near max CP, what is the point of continuing to level? If i could complete everything as a vet 1, I would not have bothered progressing to vet 16 - same applies now with CP.

SahrotRein

clearly a l2p issue


I love to be the bad guy from time to time

Minute_Waltz

In defence of "elitists" , if you only have few hours of play time everyday with 8 alts and need as many keys as possible for new monster set, you have no option other than taking experienced high dps players with max cp/gear in favour of less experienced players, and in extreme cases even only accepting people who have multiple alts or willing to run multiple times.

A good group you can do it in 30 min clearing everything, only need to portal once with warden.

An okay group can finish this in 1hr while skipping trash mobs, probably 5 portal drops on warden.

A bad group and you are stuck in there for 2hrs and either end up rage quitting or silver key.

Apply to 8 alts and thats a huge difference.

Ep1kMalware

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

So today my veteran pledge is one of the most difficult dungeons. vICP. I admit that my DPS isn't strong enough yet to successfully do a run for this dungeon in the mean time it was given to me regardless. Now as a C187 I'm struggling to find players to complete this dungeon task because people think that I'm too inexperienced. I even feel more sorry for players who are beneath my level who was also given this dungeon as their gold pledge. There is a lot of level discrimination going on, and to be honest I am one of those players.

This is the only day that I'm going to go without doing vet dungeon because it is not suitable for my rank. This is very unjustified and unfair. One of my biggest pleasures in playing this game is to do the daily dungeons (Despite the terrible Dungeon group finder).

ZoS now if you please answer me this. Why would you give a player who don't have significant amount of CP a daily vet dungeon that is truly not suitable for their rank? It's like demanding that a low level player to fight the main story boss without giving them enough time to grow.

instead of crying about it you could've just used the forums to find a team. I got bad news for you dude, next mo. new dungeons will be on the rotation amd they're suposedly on the samw difficulty level.

disintegr8

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

In defence of "elitists" , if you only have few hours of play time everyday with 8 alts and need as many keys as possible for new monster set, you have no option other than taking experienced high dps players with max cp/gear in favour of less experienced players, and in extreme cases even only accepting people who have multiple alts or willing to run multiple times.

So someone else gets told they are not good enough just because you choose to run multiple characters and will not have enough time if dungeons take too long. How is that their fault?
(I also run multiple characters myself)

If 'elitists' only want to run with other elite players, maybe they are the ones who should make the effort to form/find their own groups outside of group finder. At the moment all I hear is those who are not deemed good enough being told to 'learn to play', go find a guild or find players of his own level.

Group finder is for everyone and is the tool that everyone has to use. There is no reason that less experienced players always have to go and L2P or go find guilds just because some (I know it is not all) experienced players don't want to run with them or help them learn the dungeons so that they can get better.

Maybe the solution is that they have two group finders: an elitist finder for those who only want to play with people over say 300 CP and a normal group finder for those who are happy give everyone a go.

Maybe some 'elitists' need to learn to pull their heads in and remember that they are not the only people who play this game.

rob_ber

@raidentenshu_ESO, ping me in game @rob_ber, more than happy to do a pledge with you (if you are on EU server). Took completely inexperienced player through vICP yesterday without any problems. When you know the mechanics ICP and WGT are just meh

and btw Hi @Syrani , Rob from Citanex here Didn't know you are on forums

Schemering

My social guild takes people into Prison with low cp, both guildies and random players from outside our guild. We can take one lower level player at least and if theres a lower level healer sometimes 2 at a time, 1 dd and one healer. For us its the only way that prison is remotely challenging; if we do it with 4 experienced people we have no fun because we take either no healer or no tank with us and burn everything fast with 3 dds.

If youre on EU PC server contact me if you want a guild that can help you to do Prison and WGT

I do agree these dungeons should not have been in daily rotation; they already got nerfed because of it and for many many end content players the fun of doing them with an experienced group is long gone after these nerfs.

mike_de

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

rhapsodious wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Probably 90% of my main guild was recruited at the pledge spot. Back in the day of everyone going batshit crazy for Engine guardian and too scared for VCOA. Worked a treat. Be nice to people and don't rage at them for not knowing and try and help out and you'll make some gaming buddies. Not calling the OP anything bad here but some people are pretty socially inept and just fail to understand this is a social game.

I hear ya, there. If someone joins from zone and I see they're like CP60 for the gold pledge, I just ask "Have you ran this before?" If the answer is "no" or "not that well", I take a bit before each boss to quickly explain the most important mechanics and why you take note of them. I find that makes it click a lot more with people.

Being nice to people really is the key. And if you're nice and helpful and they're still running pell-mell into enemies or not listening to an important mechanic (had a DPS who kept trying to melee final FG boss whose name I forget despite it clearly not working out for them), then, well, you did what you could. But then you get the VR4 who said you were the nicest group of people she had encountered in dungeons so far and that a bunch of people were yelling at her and making her feel like *** for not being perfect because she didn't know the mechanics. And you feel all warm and fuzzy inside and you make a friend.

Really, it benefits you, because the more people who know the dungeon, the greater chance you'll have of slapping together a group for it or other stuff.

Friend system is friendly, enemy system is isolating. Sad thing is when the latter doesn't even care how much people hate them for being a jerk... They just keep doing it anyway.

And it can be ANY dungeon for this stuff too. Hell, I did several scaled runs of vSO with several others on my dps mage. Was my first time doing a trial ever in fact, but I handled myself well and didn't die once as well as contribute to the runs. Not everyone is as improvisional but if I were taking someone on runs I'd tell them what I know and if I don't know and improvise as I go we have fun learning the ropes together. There are some things you just cannot be a hardass about without making yourself look stupid or demeaning.

If I ever play dungeons, I am quite the "difficult" player. I always improvise in games. I don't WANT to know,, how a dungeon "works"

It spoils the fun out of me, robbing me of every challenge the game has for myself. You know, I am playing games, to see new quests, and test my personal skill against the odds, the game is able to throw at me. I want to experience the problems myself firsthand, and not through youtube or any other spoilers. I outright hate people spoilng things for me on my first run, leading to an immediate party quit, if somebody does that to me.

Also, rushing through a dungeon/quest on my first run isn't my thing. Because I will read the notes I find, and listen to the npc. I did not d dungeon by now, because I think I will have problems with PUGs.It was this way, every MMO I played so far.

And for the OP: ZOS isn't able to make the crafting writs work properly in level. How can you expect to get dailies, that are in sync with your char developement.

It's much easier to dish out one daily for all, instead of looking into your personal data history. It's nothing personal, it's just easier.

In one thing I agree, though. They should make the dailies, regardless if they are normal or Vet level.It should be enough to do the dungeon itself.

hamburgerler76

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

So today my veteran pledge is one of the most difficult dungeons. vICP. I admit that my DPS isn't strong enough yet to successfully do a run for this dungeon in the mean time it was given to me regardless. Now as a C187 I'm struggling to find players to complete this dungeon task because people think that I'm too inexperienced. I even feel more sorry for players who are beneath my level who was also given this dungeon as their gold pledge. There is a lot of level discrimination going on, and to be honest I am one of those players.

This is the only day that I'm going to go without doing vet dungeon because it is not suitable for my rank. This is very unjustified and unfair. One of my biggest pleasures in playing this game is to do the daily dungeons (Despite the terrible Dungeon group finder).

ZoS now if you please answer me this. Why would you give a player who don't have significant amount of CP a daily vet dungeon that is truly not suitable for their rank? It's like demanding that a low level player to fight the main story boss without giving them enough time to grow.

you do know any one over lvl 50 gets this pledge its not just you so if they took out to wait till your ready then no one would be able to do the pledge this is why they ofer and silver and gold so if like that day you cant do the gold you can still get a key threw silver

Schemering

baratron wrote: »

Having played extensively on the PTS, I can't wait for the whining which will occur when Veteran Cradle of Shadows is the Pledge, given that the final boss is currently harder than anything in Vet ICP was at release .

OP and anyone else in this situation, take the Pledge and do those difficult dungeons on Normal. The new dungeons: ICP, WGT, Ruins of Mazzatun and Cradle of Shadows all have the same storyline on both Normal and Veteran. So you can do the Normal version and get your Silver Key for it from Glirion the Redbeard.

Indeed Cradle veteran will not be done by random groups and/or without ts for some time although it took my team few days on our own chars to finish tower and prison when just released where we did vet cradle in few hours with templates on pts so i do think Prison and WGT were harder on release.

Because there will be nerf cries when the new dungeons will be gold pledges i hoped they would not be in daily rotation or- better option imo- there would be an extra difficulty tier for all veteran dungeons so the dailies-achievement-loot seekers dont mingle with the people that want a real challenge

Dubhliam

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

So today my veteran pledge is one of the most difficult dungeons. vICP. I admit that my DPS isn't strong enough yet to successfully do a run for this dungeon in the mean time it was given to me regardless. Now as a C187 I'm struggling to find players to complete this dungeon task because people think that I'm too inexperienced. I even feel more sorry for players who are beneath my level who was also given this dungeon as their gold pledge. There is a lot of level discrimination going on, and to be honest I am one of those players.

This is the only day that I'm going to go without doing vet dungeon because it is not suitable for my rank. This is very unjustified and unfair. One of my biggest pleasures in playing this game is to do the daily dungeons (Despite the terrible Dungeon group finder).

ZoS now if you please answer me this. Why would you give a player who don't have significant amount of CP a daily vet dungeon that is truly not suitable for their rank? It's like demanding that a low level player to fight the main story boss without giving them enough time to grow.

You have several options at this point:

• Go with your guildmates. Explain you position, ask them to go with you and explain the tactics, give you advice as to how you can improve your DPS, etc.
• Do it on Normal. Yes, WGT and ICP are the only veteran pledges that will reward you if you complete them on normal instead of veteran mode. Seeing as you would get a silver key in veteran mode if you did not activate HM last boss, doing the dungeon on normal is an easy solution for a free Silver Key.

I have taken new people into vICP before, and with some explaining and a few tries, everyone is able to beat it, even with HM last boss.
DPS is not essential., far from it. The only "DPS check" that is in that dungeon are the Flesh Atronarchs. Those need to be killed in under 40 secs, after which they enrage and their every attack becomes a one-shot.
I believe WGT is a little less forgiving for low DPS groups (at least those that want to complete Molag Kena on HM) since the execute phase is unforgiving for those that cannot execute her in a short time frame. Because people will quickly deplete their resources trying to survive the two counter- spinning lightnings.

GreenhaloX

First off, I have to say, good and brave of you (or anyone else below the 400 CP) for tackling the vet dungeons on your CP level.. I'm in the min-400 CP, and I haven't tried a vet dungeon yet or even VMA. I say this because before I made it into the 400 CP range, I felt my damage output from my weapon or my damage absorbing abilities were not sufficient enough to handle any vet trial or dungeon. Given what others are saying about how even the non-boss baddies' health meter are in the 400-500k range in vet trials and dungeons, no wonder folks are having such a hard and stressful time. Heck, even in the normal dungeons, if I land in with a group where the others are below 100 CP or not even in the CP range yet, it is much harder time. We seem to do fine in the normal dungeons if the others are at least in the mid-100 CP. So for vet dungeons, I could only imagine for those who are not within the mid-to-higher 400 CP range or have higher CP points within the damage absorbing slots or increase damage slots. Now that I'm in the mid-400 CP, I think I will give it a try and hope I land with a good group of others.