The daily Undaunted pledge is very unbalanced! ZoS Please answer me.

raidentenshu_ESO

So today my veteran pledge is one of the most difficult dungeons. vICP. I admit that my DPS isn't strong enough yet to successfully do a run for this dungeon in the mean time it was given to me regardless. Now as a C187 I'm struggling to find players to complete this dungeon task because people think that I'm too inexperienced. I even feel more sorry for players who are beneath my level who was also given this dungeon as their gold pledge. There is a lot of level discrimination going on, and to be honest I am one of those players.

This is the only day that I'm going to go without doing vet dungeon because it is not suitable for my rank. This is very unjustified and unfair. One of my biggest pleasures in playing this game is to do the daily dungeons (Despite the terrible Dungeon group finder).

ZoS now if you please answer me this. Why would you give a player who don't have significant amount of CP a daily vet dungeon that is truly not suitable for their rank? It's like demanding that a low level player to fight the main story boss without giving them enough time to grow.

DRXHarbinger

Tbh the first boss in ICP you want low dps. The faster you burn it the faster the ads come and just overwhelms you. Slow and steady is key. The only time you need burn power is to take out the atros. But on the 2nd boss so long as you work the mechanics to a T you can actually do it with no more than 1 Atro ever spawning.

The rest of then again is just mechanics, abomination just spread out and take as long as you want, the 4 annoying ones just need to be done in order of.

Necro, knight, templar and berserker (this one is more dangerous when it's in ghost form)

Warden again take as long as you need, so long as you get in the portals when you need to there is no issue. Prison favours stamina builds heavily though. The ads all have very high spell res. Stam players just chop through them.

But op you need a proper tank for vet prison, the overfiend will one shot anything that isn't blocking and tanky enough to last the fight.

rhapsodious

You can do it at that level, especially with the nerf. Players being elitist is another problem entirely. With ICP and WGT it's more about following directions and knowing your role than being the best DPS ever.

I'd like to address one statement you made, though:

This is the only day that I'm going to go without doing vet dungeon because it is not suitable for my rank. This is very unjustified and unfair.

Why is it unfair that there is content you, in your own words, are not quite strong enough to complete? The pledge is completely optional. Hell, you can do it scaled to CP10 and still get the two gold keys (although your in-dungeon loot will be poop). Everyone gets the same pledge. Everyone has ICP for the pledge today. You're not being singled out or anything. Skipping the pledge for the day because you don't think you're quite up to snuff isn't the end of the world. You can improve in the meantime, and who knows? One of these days you might just steamroll over Lord Warden.

idk

All the dungeons are in rotation and it should be that way regardless. Some do not even have acess to the DLC so they have to sit today and tomorrow out.

I suggest to the OP to run with guild mates. Even with the recent nerf to vICP and vWGT I still would not put it. I am happy to help a guild mate learn the dungeon but not going to go through that much effort for a non guild mate.

And at your champion level you should be fine. A guild mate recently returned to the game. Less than CP 200 he healed that dungeon without issue. At CP 220 he managed healing speed runs (which is probably easier to heal than slow runs). And contributed to dps.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Why do you think that you should be able to successfully do every daily at maximum difficulty without putting some effort in it? Either you spend some time to find friends / a guild and learn mechanics, then you can do all dungeons at your cp level or you accept to get a silver key instead of a gold key on some days.

C0wrex

Took me two hours to get through vICP

It was long and hard, but worth the pain.

Morathras

omfg i am so sick of that ***... it already got nerfed because of ppl like you. how long does it take before you complain that maw of lorkhaj is too difficult? just learn the mechanics

ICP is NOT difficult.

L2P

Totalitarian

Yesterday, did vICP hard mode with 2 people who had never finished dungeon. I was genuinely surprised.

Our tank was CP 90, and did really well. First time we wiped was against the 2 hoarvor, 1 flesh atro, and 1 harvester group of mobs.

Of course Lord Warden Dusk requires you to know the mechanics well, but the two were able to learn them after a few tries.

I was expecting a ton of trouble, and was very pleased when Dusk was the only problem.


You can do it, especially because Hard Mode Dusk is right about the same difficulty and normal Dusk. Just make sure you know the mechanics beforehand, or else you're going to have a really hard time doing the dungeon. Same goes with the next pledge: vWGT. If you don't know the mechanics, you're going to have a hard time.

rhapsodious

Totalitarian wrote: »

You can do it, especially because Hard Mode Dusk is right about the same difficulty and normal Dusk. Just make sure you know the mechanics beforehand, or else you're going to have a really hard time doing the dungeon. Same goes with the next pledge: vWGT. If you don't know the mechanics, you're going to have a hard time.

Yeah, really. I've guided people through who have never been in there, but they were good listeners so Planar was only mildly painful and mostly bad luck if anyone died.

Meanwhile, Planar with a group that doesn't listen is awful. One person is dead, two people have portals, she's blue and I have aggro. ONE OF YOU TAKE THE FRIGGIN PINION. gah I've died like five times to that exact scenario.

daemonios

Join a guild. Play with guildies. Sorted.

Mortehl

"I have less time invested then everyone else and can't do hard content. This is unfair, I want welfare keys!" ~ OP

AlnilamE

Worst case scenario when vWGT or vICP are the gold pledge: Queue up for the Normal version for a silver key.

Far less stressful.

raidentenshu_ESO

daemonios wrote: »

Join a guild. Play with guildies. Sorted.

Do you have a guild in mind that specializes in daily and for-fun dungeons? I've been asking to join one for some time but is receiving zero responses. So far asking to join a guild on this forum seems to be futile.

Please send me an invite to join yours for dungeon play

PC AD faction @LordRaijin

raidentenshu_ESO

Mortehl wrote: »

"I have less time invested then everyone else and can't do hard content. This is unfair, I want welfare keys!" ~ OP

Pardon me but what does that suppose to mean? I'm not looking for a handout. All that I'm asking for is an accurate system that has built in intelligence that acknowledge players abilities. If I haven't done and completed the normal version of ICP then why would the system recommend me doing the vICP in the first place? It makes no sense at all, and its not challenging at all.

Waffennacht

So far, for pledges, I just run around asking if anyone wants to do it. I don't care if you're 501 or 1, I'll at least give it a shot with any group.

So far all of these experiences have been great, not everyone knows everything but we learn as we go. Made a few friends too.

I look for people like OP too. Lower leveled or inexperienced players usually have a great attitude and even when things get hard they don't @$!# and moan

yodased

rhapsodious wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

You can do it, especially because Hard Mode Dusk is right about the same difficulty and normal Dusk. Just make sure you know the mechanics beforehand, or else you're going to have a really hard time doing the dungeon. Same goes with the next pledge: vWGT. If you don't know the mechanics, you're going to have a hard time.

Yeah, really. I've guided people through who have never been in there, but they were good listeners so Planar was only mildly painful and mostly bad luck if anyone died.

Meanwhile, Planar with a group that doesn't listen is awful. One person is dead, two people have portals, she's blue and I have aggro. ONE OF YOU TAKE THE FRIGGIN PINION. gah I've died like five times to that exact scenario.

You've confused Icp with WGT

yodased

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Join a guild. Play with guildies. Sorted.

Do you have a guild in mind that specializes in daily and for-fun dungeons? I've been asking to join one for some time but is receiving zero responses. So far asking to join a guild on this forum seems to be futile.

Please send me an invite to join yours for dungeon play

PC AD faction @LordRaijin

hit me up in game @yodased my guild is literally built for this

SubtleHate

Lookie here, another casual, new player asking the game to be tailored specifically to only their needs. If you can't complete it that's just too bad, work hard to improve so that you can complete it eventually. Get into a guild that will help you. But don't ask this game to be made even MORE casual than it already is just because you miss out on 2 gold keys. Learn to play.

Totalitarian

rhapsodious wrote: »

Yeah, really. I've guided people through who have never been in there, but they were good listeners so Planar was only mildly painful and mostly bad luck if anyone died.

Meanwhile, Planar with a group that doesn't listen is awful. One person is dead, two people have portals, she's blue and I have aggro. ONE OF YOU TAKE THE FRIGGIN PINION. gah I've died like five times to that exact scenario.

IMO, the Planar Inhibitor isn't hard. Just mechanics (like Lord Warden Dusk). Probably because I have a lot of experience overall, but still. To me, the real challenge in vWGT is when you try to do Hard Mode Molag Kena. It's easy enough until she hits low health, and enters her burn phase. Generally, she wipes my group within seconds.

Syrani

Raidentenshu,

I am on EU PC (AD) and I would be happy to help you through that dungeon. Send me a note in game @Raelin and I will add you to my friend's list. I run it a lot, and have a few people I run with that are very patient and very willing to help people new to the dungeon. We will get it done, or die trying.

Rae

rhapsodious

yodased wrote: »

rhapsodious wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

You can do it, especially because Hard Mode Dusk is right about the same difficulty and normal Dusk. Just make sure you know the mechanics beforehand, or else you're going to have a really hard time doing the dungeon. Same goes with the next pledge: vWGT. If you don't know the mechanics, you're going to have a hard time.

Yeah, really. I've guided people through who have never been in there, but they were good listeners so Planar was only mildly painful and mostly bad luck if anyone died.

Meanwhile, Planar with a group that doesn't listen is awful. One person is dead, two people have portals, she's blue and I have aggro. ONE OF YOU TAKE THE FRIGGIN PINION. gah I've died like five times to that exact scenario.

You've confused Icp with WGT

No, I know. Totalitarian also mentioned WGT and my Post-Traumatic Planar Disorder kicked in. I guess "in there" was a bit vague. Regardless, ICP and WGT are both very doable with mechanics pinned down. But even then, everyone has to start somewhere. (:

If you're PC NA you can add @rhapsodious. Dunno when I'll be on but yeah, I really don't mind taking people through.

Totalitarian wrote: »

rhapsodious wrote: »

Yeah, really. I've guided people through who have never been in there, but they were good listeners so Planar was only mildly painful and mostly bad luck if anyone died.

Meanwhile, Planar with a group that doesn't listen is awful. One person is dead, two people have portals, she's blue and I have aggro. ONE OF YOU TAKE THE FRIGGIN PINION. gah I've died like five times to that exact scenario.

IMO, the Planar Inhibitor isn't hard. Just mechanics (like Lord Warden Dusk). Probably because I have a lot of experience overall, but still. To me, the real challenge in vWGT is when you try to do Hard Mode Molag Kena. It's easy enough until she hits low health, and enters her burn phase. Generally, she wipes my group within seconds.

Amen. It's when you can't get the mechanics down that you have a very bad time.

My friends and I usually have Barrier slotted for Kena's burn phase. It works pretty well if you remember to roll dodge through the walls. It does not, however, work when Kena's in a particularly "screw you" mood that day and spawns an atro on top of either the tank or healer.

DRXHarbinger

Totalitarian wrote: »

rhapsodious wrote: »

Yeah, really. I've guided people through who have never been in there, but they were good listeners so Planar was only mildly painful and mostly bad luck if anyone died.

Meanwhile, Planar with a group that doesn't listen is awful. One person is dead, two people have portals, she's blue and I have aggro. ONE OF YOU TAKE THE FRIGGIN PINION. gah I've died like five times to that exact scenario.

IMO, the Planar Inhibitor isn't hard. Just mechanics (like Lord Warden Dusk). Probably because I have a lot of experience overall, but still. To me, the real challenge in vWGT is when you try to do Hard Mode Molag Kena. It's easy enough until she hits low health, and enters her burn phase. Generally, she wipes my group within seconds.

Kena should generally go down on the 3rd phase in 30s anyway.

cpuScientist

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Mortehl wrote: »

"I have less time invested then everyone else and can't do hard content. This is unfair, I want welfare keys!" ~ OP

Pardon me but what does that suppose to mean? I'm not looking for a handout. All that I'm asking for is an accurate system that has built in intelligence that acknowledge players abilities. If I haven't done and completed the normal version of ICP then why would the system recommend me doing the vICP in the first place? It makes no sense at all, and its not challenging at all.

Don't know what you mean by accurate system... Join a guild or get a little social and try to make a few dungeons pledge buddies so you guys can play together. As other have said you am scale it down to cp10 and it will be easier. But also look at it from other players perspective for once. I can solo any normal dungeons and many vet ones. It's stupid easy, most vet dungeons are a joke aswell. The only slightly challenging dungeons left for me and my pals is ICP and WGT (outside of vet trials of course) So I am ecstatic when those come up. It was not that long ago for myself either that VICP was hard but I just listened to advice from other players about mechanics or about my build (something ALOT of complainers REFUSE to do)

So in short join a guild or be social and try and get yourself a little core of buds you can run these dungeons with.

cpuScientist

And stop crying nerf, it's killing any fun to be had. I mean look at Valkyn now.... it's a stupid easy lol dungeon now. We just lol through the whole thing a real FAR CRY from what it was. Because players whined, instead of actually trying to get better

s7732425ub17_ESO

If Vet ICP is too difficult...

RUN NORMAL ICP.

OMG YOU GUYS SO EASY.

ZOS made a normal mode for a reason!!

You still get Undaunted exp and a key for the complete.

/thread. /whine.

Mush55

You could always run it on normal just to learn the dungeon, no one says you must do it on vet.

Ran it the other day with a couple of guild mates who had never done it on vet, first ran through on normal and I was asked if they were good enough for vet.

I said give it ago and apart from one wipe (Attros are still priority ) a couple of silly deaths they did exceptionally well.

Listen to the advice given watch a couple of u tube guides and practice , ICP is 80% mechanics 20% dps.

Please stop asking for it to be removed there is not much challenge left in the game, just practice and it's not as difficult as it first seems......

AlnilamE

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

If I haven't done and completed the normal version of ICP then why would the system recommend me doing the vICP in the first place? It makes no sense at all, and its not challenging at all.

OP, the game is not "recommending" anything to you. The daily Undaunted pledges are the same for everyone. So if the daily Gold pledge is ICP, then that's what it is.

As has been stated, when they are the gold pledge, ICP and WGT can be done in Normal mode for a silver key.

You also have the option of scaling it down to the group leader, if you have a group leader that is below 160 and have NOT used the group finder.

nine9six

C0wrex wrote: »

It was long and hard, but worth the pain.

Giggity.

Ghost-Shot

It's literally the worst when a game expects you to level up before taking on end game content. If you can't complete vet mode then do normal and take a silver key that day, that is literally the whole point of normal mode existing. Level up, get good, or do normal and stop complaining.

Tryxus

C0wrex wrote: »

Took me two hours to get through vICP

It was long and hard, but worth the pain.

A challenging dungeon, but with terrible rewards...

ZOS, buff Warden set pl0x

Oreyn_Bearclaw

My advice is to join a good PVE guild. I get the frustration, but not all of these dungeons are meant to be at the same difficulty level. For some of us, the only days we run pledges are when they are VWGT and VICP because the other dungeons are a complete faceroll and provide a nothing useful. This game needs to work to find a balance between easy and challenging content. Many would argue they have gone way too far with nerfs already, and I tend to agree.

VWGT and VICP are perfectly doable with low CP. I have run them both pre nerf with NO CP just to see if it could be done, and believe me, it can be.

Now there is certainly an issue of people equating CP with Skill and shaming those with low CP. My advice is avoid these people, and the best way to do that is with a good PVE guild. I think another really good idea would be to only show CP up to the current gear cap. Save for VMOL, and maybe VMA, you can do any content in the game as long as you are at the gear cap and geared appropriately.