Should We Get Class Change?

juhasman

No, I'm fine with my classes.

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

With race, name, and appearance change coming soon to live servers, many of us are wondering where class changes are. Unfortunately, it has been stated in an ESO live episode that these changes are not planned for the game. However, class change is now highly demanded by most of the ESO community.

Any proves that most of the community ,,highly demand" class change or You just count Your vote as a milion votes?

GivvumBoane

CreepyPahuska wrote: »

Of course we should get classes change ! I mean, look at the state of the game, seriously : leveling a new character to the maximum level (50) is soooo hard, it takes at least 2 days, including sleep time, meals and toilet breaks... so yeah, classe change is absolutely necessary !

No, seriously... I can't believe someone actually asked for that. We already got race change, wich is a total absurdity. Ideas like that are on the same level of ridiculous as the nerf requests that are already killing the game ("ye but iz two hard lel")

Probably just want to run a new class and not have to train riding for six months. That's like the only reason I could think of that would make class change desirable.

GivvumBoane

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

CreepyPahuska wrote: »

Of course we should get classes change ! I mean, look at the state of the game, seriously : leveling a new character to the maximum level (50) is soooo hard, it takes at least 2 days, including sleep time, meals and toilet breaks... so yeah, classe change is absolutely necessary !

No, seriously... I can't believe someone actually asked for that. We already got race change, wich is a total absurdity. Ideas like that are on the same level of ridiculous as the nerf requests that are already killing the game ("ye but iz two hard lel")

It may only take 2 days if someone has the tenacity, time, and will to do so. It can take someone like me about 5 days or 10 levels a day before I'm tired from grinding so much. I wanna do other stuff or have to do other stuff. And let's not forget if you put a lot of work into a character, i.e. horse training, crafting, guild lines, achievements,etc., and you aren't happy with the class you chose after awhile, you should have the choice to change it. Not a cheap choice, tho. I'd say class change tokens should cost more than race change ones.

I played a sorcerer to level 25. Didn't like it, never played it again. Not a lot of time wasted. I surely didn't max crafting or riding before realizing the class I chose was not for me. But, by not happy with, you mean got nerfed.

GivvumBoane

juhasman wrote: »

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

With race, name, and appearance change coming soon to live servers, many of us are wondering where class changes are. Unfortunately, it has been stated in an ESO live episode that these changes are not planned for the game. However, class change is now highly demanded by most of the ESO community.

Any proves that most of the community ,,highly demand" class change or You just count Your vote as a milion votes?

Nailed it

Shaiba

No, I'm fine with my classes.

Runs wrote: »

In the other TES games Skyrim class didn't really mater except the with your starting stats

Fixed that for you.
Same kind of argument : in the majority of other MMO games you can't change your class.

And of course I have to assume all the people that KEEP bringing up just level a new character OVER AND OVER again, have only grinded all their characters and have no real vested interest in the game anyway.

I have 7 char that I lvled up through quest (no grind here) from lvl 1 to veteran 16 (and it tooks me more than 5 little days ). I took lot of dedication on all of y character, took lots of time, so please, don't talk about things you don't understand

Because I dont give a *** who you are, you can't get all the achievements, mount training, researched traits back in 8-10 hours of grinding

Like @CreepyPahuska said :

Oh, and if you need to do all your horse training, craft skills leveling, guild skills, achievements, etc... before your can realise that you don't like the class your playing... well forgive me but you are an idiot.

And let me quote myself :

Problem can be horse training, but you can already buy it from the crown store so problem solved (instead of putting money in class change you put money in horse training)..

So for horse training, you were wrong, you can do it in 5 minutes if you want... Your researched traits are not wasted they only are on another char.

Skinzz

No, I'm fine with my classes.

RIP ESO. Whats next? Alliance change? Oh i dont like my armor i demand a motif change! This is becoming more like elder dress up online or elder "i demand a change because im a screw up" online.

Khairiah

No, I'm fine with my classes.

If it was possible to change classes, u could might aswell just be able to play all classes with all skills of 1 character as u would be able to change it, lets say during a trial. Its not needed at all. U want a new class on ur toon, remake it. Simple as that. Nor do I get the point of race changes honestly. If u made a "wrong" choice when u made that toon its just too bad, remake the char..

WuffyCerulei

Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.

juhasman wrote: »

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

With race, name, and appearance change coming soon to live servers, many of us are wondering where class changes are. Unfortunately, it has been stated in an ESO live episode that these changes are not planned for the game. However, class change is now highly demanded by most of the ESO community.

Any proves that most of the community ,,highly demand" class change or You just count Your vote as a milion votes?

I wrote that before the poll results were in, and I was regarding the several posts asking for class change after race and appearance change was announced. It appeared to be that people in ESO really wanted it.
And going to tell you the same thing I did to the other person being a buttmunch: don't be a jerk. The poll disproved what I had claimed

idk

No, I'm fine with my classes.

Really zero reason to add class change. All classes work well, especially for those that put the work in to figure out how to play their character well.

Molag_Crow

No, I'm fine with my classes.

This isn't a Facebook game.

Runefang

No, I'm fine with my classes.

Should never happen. People seem to forget the Online part about ESO, it's ultimately an MMO and needs to function as such.

Vercingetorix

Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.

People like to use "FotM" as their argument but fail to recognize that people are already using the popular build every patch now anyway. Class Change isn't going to impact that. What it will do is provide an opportunity for those of us who don't have the time to play through the game, chasing every shard and achievement, just to use a different class. I only have time for one character and trust me, a "casual" like myself isn't going to be topping any Alliance scoreboards with a class change. I'm a completionist, but I refuse to 100% the game more than once - just so I can change 3 skill lines that I will only use a few abilities from on my bar.

Vercingetorix

Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.

theher0not wrote: »

Don't care. If it is added fine (as long as Zos doesn't over nerf/buff a class to bait people to use it) if not then fine too. If other people want to change I see no reason for them not to be able too do it.

Classes are already wildly unbalanced. Nightblades are clearly god-tier and only continue getting buffed every patch, either directly or indirectly. Sorcerer is literal trash right now because you have to run 1 exact setup to even make it viable (boring/stupid AF). The other two classes fall in the middle, but are vastly underpowered to the Nightblade.

ZoS wouldn't have so many class change requests if they would stop playing class favorites and stop catering to the PvP community with patches that destroy PvE viability of classes.

Lumenn

Originally I was against race change, name change, etc. "back in the day" (EQ ) you carefully researched your race/class before creation and if something was changed you screamed, yelled, and were ignored(much like today ha ha) suck it up.

Now that ZOS has opened the door though I say why not. (and when they FULLY realize how much money they can make, and give the nay-sayers some time, and maybe implement more "class balancing" that upsets MORE people, they may offer this service. Just not today)

Personally I hate being locked into a roll, and class balance in my experience is one of the foulest, most vile phrases that can be brought up in an mmo( I'd bet the developers would agree with myself and many of the customers, even if management doesn't) While eso actually has a lot of variety, I'd rather they just didn't have classes(like skyrim) if they are unable to balance them in any meaningful way. Short of that, and to the betterment of ZOS's wallet, open class change. At this point what can it hurt.

idk

No, I'm fine with my classes.

Vercingetorix wrote: »

theher0not wrote: »

Don't care. If it is added fine (as long as Zos doesn't over nerf/buff a class to bait people to use it) if not then fine too. If other people want to change I see no reason for them not to be able too do it.

Classes are already wildly unbalanced. Nightblades are clearly god-tier and only continue getting buffed every patch, either directly or indirectly. Sorcerer is literal trash right now because you have to run 1 exact setup to even make it viable (boring/stupid AF). The other two classes fall in the middle, but are vastly underpowered to the Nightblade.

ZoS wouldn't have so many class change requests if they would stop playing class favorites and stop catering to the PvP community with patches that destroy PvE viability of classes.

NBs are god-tier? They are jist as easy to take out as any other class. A player with a good build and knows how to work it isn't easy to take out regardless. A player that doesn't have a good build ans knowledge of what works and what doesn't will have a challenge often and sill be easy to kill.

At that, in any game with classes there are players who want to change classes instead of leveling up a new character. It's generally a big NO.

Used to play with a guy who when on his sorc he complained about a NBs. When I'm his NB he complained about Sorcs. I don't think he ever listened to himself.

petraeus1

I generally don't understand arguments that go along the lines of: 'People will just start changing classes then to whatever is flavour of the month.' So? It's neither your money nor your character, the only aspect it might affect you in is that some roles might be underplayed in the LFG tool. But that is already the case. Why would you be so against how other people want to modify their characters?

I'd personally like them to scrap preset classes and reintroduce them as specializations that you can acquire in-game, similar to say Vampire or Fighters Guild skill lines: you can find Master trainers or something that will help you get access to the skill lines of say a Dragon Knight for a cost, and you can also 'forget' that specialization at another trainer for a cost, similar to how respeccing works.

idk

No, I'm fine with my classes.

petraeus1 wrote: »

I generally don't understand arguments that go along the lines of: 'People will just start changing classes then to whatever is flavour of the month.' So? It's neither your money nor your character, the only aspect it might affect you in is that some roles might be underplayed in the LFG tool. But that is already the case. Why would you be so against how other people want to modify their characters?

I'd personally like them to scrap preset classes and reintroduce them as specializations that you can acquire in-game, similar to say Vampire or Fighters Guild skill lines: you can find Master trainers or something that will help you get access to the skill lines of say a Dragon Knight for a cost, and you can also 'forget' that specialization at another trainer for a cost, similar to how respeccing works.

Unsure how roles being less available in the GF has anything to do with class chsnge. Class has zero to do with roles being queued for GF. Tanks and to a lesser extent, healers, are usually is lower supply for 4 man content. It's why many can play 2 or 3 roles in their character but the ones I know just play with guildies.

Classes are good. Class trainers are fine as long as those choices are permanent/ can never be changed without spending 10k crowns.

petraeus1

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

I generally don't understand arguments that go along the lines of: 'People will just start changing classes then to whatever is flavour of the month.' So? It's neither your money nor your character, the only aspect it might affect you in is that some roles might be underplayed in the LFG tool. But that is already the case. Why would you be so against how other people want to modify their characters?

I'd personally like them to scrap preset classes and reintroduce them as specializations that you can acquire in-game, similar to say Vampire or Fighters Guild skill lines: you can find Master trainers or something that will help you get access to the skill lines of say a Dragon Knight for a cost, and you can also 'forget' that specialization at another trainer for a cost, similar to how respeccing works.

Unsure how roles being less available in the GF has anything to do with class chsnge. Class has zero to do with roles being queued for GF. Tanks and to a lesser extent, healers, are usually is lower supply for 4 man content. It's why many can play 2 or 3 roles in their character but the ones I know just play with guildies.

Classes are good. Class trainers are fine as long as those choices are permanent/ can never be changed without spending 10k crowns.

Why should classes be permanent? Again, why do you care if someone else wants to change his/her class?

altemriel

Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.

KramUzibra wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

With race, name, and appearance change coming soon to live servers, many of us are wondering where class changes are. Unfortunately, it has been stated in an ESO live episode that these changes are not planned for the game. However, class change is now highly demanded by most of the ESO community. Should we get class change, or keep things as is?

while I am personally very fine with my class (stam DK), I believe there are people, who aren`t and would want to change it to some other class. I am going to change my stam dk altmer (oops, but she was so pretty ), to redguard, because of stam racial passives of course. but she is still going to be hot and harder hitting, August August where are thou !!!

If they want another class just create a new character

well, but why not also class change? imho it is the same as race change or appearance change....why not?

I_killed_Vivec

No, I'm fine with my classes.

altemriel wrote: »

KramUzibra wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

With race, name, and appearance change coming soon to live servers, many of us are wondering where class changes are. Unfortunately, it has been stated in an ESO live episode that these changes are not planned for the game. However, class change is now highly demanded by most of the ESO community. Should we get class change, or keep things as is?

while I am personally very fine with my class (stam DK), I believe there are people, who aren`t and would want to change it to some other class. I am going to change my stam dk altmer (oops, but she was so pretty ), to redguard, because of stam racial passives of course. but she is still going to be hot and harder hitting, August August where are thou !!!

If they want another class just create a new character

well, but why not also class change? imho it is the same as race change or appearance change....why not?

Why not?

Because let's say you only have one character, fully maxed out in all your class skills. You decide to change class...

Obviously your old class skills are no longer applicable. They could refund the skill points you've used but you'd still have to learn the new class skills. Now that is something that "happens" as you level up a new character from scratch, but it's still something this converted class character would need to do.

It simply wouldn't make sense to say "I was DK with level 50 in Ardent Flame skills, I want to be a sorc with level 50 in all Dark Magic skills" - apart from anything else how would you work out morphs?

Besides I would suggest that anyone thinking "I want a new face, I want a new race, I want a new class" would be better off (literally) creating a new character.

CreepyPahuska

No, I'm fine with my classes.

Vercingetorix wrote: »

People like to use "FotM" as their argument but fail to recognize that people are already using the popular build every patch now anyway. Class Change isn't going to impact that. What it will do is provide an opportunity for those of us who don't have the time to play through the game, chasing every shard and achievement, just to use a different class. I only have time for one character and trust me, a "casual" like myself isn't going to be topping any Alliance scoreboards with a class change. I'm a completionist, but I refuse to 100% the game more than once - just so I can change 3 skill lines that I will only use a few abilities from on my bar.

Please let me rephrase that to make sure I fully understand what you are trying to say : you refuse to put more effort in the game to make a new character because you are a casual player, thus, you expect Zenimax to give you a solution that would allow you to reach that goal effortlessly. In other words, the game isn't easy enough right now, you want ZoS to make things even more easy, by allowing you to change your class like you would change your underwears.
You need to realise that the WHOLE DAMN GAME has already been nerfed down to the ground and even below, just because players like you complained about s***. They nerfed the dungeons so hard that you barely need a tank and a healer to go through what used to be the endgame 4man content (wich makes your talk of PvE viability senseless), they removed the veteran ranks so that making a new character now only takes maybe 10% of the time it used to take before that... and now you want to change your class so you don't even need to make a new character ?

Several people asked why we care if other people want to change their class, well it hurts my f***ing feelings to see a game I enjoyed for more than 2 years being turned, step by step, to EasyMode CasuLand. TESO isn't TES VI, it's a MMORPG with a TES background. If you guys miss Skyrim, please just go back there. Thanks.

Casual players are a plague that is killing the game.

Defilted

No, I'm fine with my classes.

Class change would just cause 50% of PVP to switch to the new FOTM build/meta every time there was a new build or patch.

I would rather them add a duel spec into the game system that allows for Champ points/Skills to be changed (via GUI) so I can PVP and PVE with the same character without have to pay for Champ point respec every time. I would settle for just two specs in champ points

PlagueMonk

Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

KramUzibra wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

With race, name, and appearance change coming soon to live servers, many of us are wondering where class changes are. Unfortunately, it has been stated in an ESO live episode that these changes are not planned for the game. However, class change is now highly demanded by most of the ESO community. Should we get class change, or keep things as is?

while I am personally very fine with my class (stam DK), I believe there are people, who aren`t and would want to change it to some other class. I am going to change my stam dk altmer (oops, but she was so pretty ), to redguard, because of stam racial passives of course. but she is still going to be hot and harder hitting, August August where are thou !!!

If they want another class just create a new character

well, but why not also class change? imho it is the same as race change or appearance change....why not?

Why not?

Because let's say you only have one character, fully maxed out in all your class skills. You decide to change class...

Obviously your old class skills are no longer applicable. They could refund the skill points you've used but you'd still have to learn the new class skills. Now that is something that "happens" as you level up a new character from scratch, but it's still something this converted class character would need to do.

It simply wouldn't make sense to say "I was DK with level 50 in Ardent Flame skills, I want to be a sorc with level 50 in all Dark Magic skills" - apart from anything else how would you work out morphs?

Besides I would suggest that anyone thinking "I want a new face, I want a new race, I want a new class" would be better off (literally) creating a new character.

Um...AND? How exactly is that ANY different then switching from say stamina to magicka? I changed from magicka to DW/Bow stamina and had to re-train ALL my skills. It's no different.

You are making some gross assumption that if we changed class we would just magically get max level in all our new class skills? I wasn't thinking that and bet most other pro class change people weren't either. Of COURSE we would have to train all our new skills up.

There is also a LOT more to a character than just their class. My main has max level crafting/motifs, tons of achievements, max fishing, all the skyshards, mages guild, FTRs guild, PvP skills, and the list goes on and on.......Zenimax **** with my class enough Im now not happy with it so, while I love my character I want to try another class with them instead of starting from scratch. I really don't get why this is so difficult for people to comprehend.

Forestd16b14_ESO

When race change comes out .......... Ohhh right can't use that excuse any more ...... So what's ZoS excuse now at why they can't do it ?

PlagueMonk

Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.

CreepyPahuska wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

People like to use "FotM" as their argument but fail to recognize that people are already using the popular build every patch now anyway. Class Change isn't going to impact that. What it will do is provide an opportunity for those of us who don't have the time to play through the game, chasing every shard and achievement, just to use a different class. I only have time for one character and trust me, a "casual" like myself isn't going to be topping any Alliance scoreboards with a class change. I'm a completionist, but I refuse to 100% the game more than once - just so I can change 3 skill lines that I will only use a few abilities from on my bar.

Please let me rephrase that to make sure I fully understand what you are trying to say : you refuse to put more effort in the game to make a new character because you are a casual player, thus, you expect Zenimax to give you a solution that would allow you to reach that goal effortlessly. In other words, the game isn't easy enough right now, you want ZoS to make things even more easy, by allowing you to change your class like you would change your underwears.
You need to realise that the WHOLE DAMN GAME has already been nerfed down to the ground and even below, just because players like you complained about s***. They nerfed the dungeons so hard that you barely need a tank and a healer to go through what used to be the endgame 4man content (wich makes your talk of PvE viability senseless), they removed the veteran ranks so that making a new character now only takes maybe 10% of the time it used to take before that... and now you want to change your class so you don't even need to make a new character ?

Several people asked why we care if other people want to change their class, well it hurts my f***ing feelings to see a game I enjoyed for more than 2 years being turned, step by step, to EasyMode CasuLand. TESO isn't TES VI, it's a MMORPG with a TES background. If you guys miss Skyrim, please just go back there. Thanks.

Casual players are a plague that is killing the game.

Your logic escapes me since people ALREADY change their skills on a whim to match the FToM of their class, why not the class itself? It's not like it's just some "EZ" road and you would still have to train up all those skills.

Plus how can you argue when we are going to have race AND name changes?! Seems much more game killing that I could go into a shop as a Nord and come out a freakin' Altmer with a different name to boot!. WTF is that all about? Changing class actually makes logical sense by comparison. Gotten bored of being a DK tank? Well just drop all your heavy armor, march over to the Mages guild and learn how to be a Sorc. Not seeing how that is game killing. Just like changing your job in RL.

Rayya_Blackheart

Actually, on second thought, it makes the game seem a little too b2w for me. At least right now you have to level up the latest meta FoTM. Being able to just grab that up at the drop of a buck removes any real work in a character. Plus the relearning of skills.

Shadesofkin

No, I'm fine with my classes.

Character Creation solves the issue of changing classes. Class Change is just a bad bad bad easily abused idea.

Skinzz

No, I'm fine with my classes.

The point of creating a character is creating a character, not make ONE character and be able to play any class and race with it.

Oliumzen

No, I'm fine with my classes.

I would add, we don't need race changes either. But atleast they're making people pay for them with real money.

Wing

No, I'm fine with my classes.

it takes like 2 days to level a new character, not needed.