Should We Get Class Change?
WuffyCerulei
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With race, name, and appearance change coming soon to live servers, many of us are wondering where class changes are. Unfortunately, it has been stated in an ESO live episode that these changes are not planned for the game. However, class change is now highly demanded by most of the ESO community. Should we get class change, or keep things as is?
Note: The basis of this poll was off the many posts about wanting class change after race/appearance changes were announced. That is what gave the impression most of you wanted class change, but this poll has disproved my claim. I'm not butthurt about that, so please, do not be jerks.
Edited by WuffyCerulei on July 28, 2016 12:01PM Note: The basis of this poll was off the many posts about wanting class change after race/appearance changes were announced. That is what gave the impression most of you wanted class change, but this poll has disproved my claim. I'm not butthurt about that, so please, do not be jerks.
Sorcerer's pretty much been the same for years. Nerf Rush of Agony and Saints&Seducer's
Should We Get Class Change? 363 votes
Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.
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87 votes
No, I'm fine with my classes.
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254 votes
Maybe? Haven't thought about it
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Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.With all the QQ nerf threads in forums, this will make ZOS get a lot of cash, if they implement this!0 -
BlackSparrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I'm fine with my classes.There are two things that require pointing out when talking about class changes.
1. Classes are tied tightly to their skill lines. A class change would reset those skills and probably refund the skill points spent on them... but it can never make up for the lost experience points. Your class skill lines would all basically be reset to level 1, which means you'd be very weak and vulnerable during the time when you're leveling those skill lines. Unless you rely on weapons skills, this will be a huge drawback that makes class changes extremely complicated to balance.
2. You have eight character slots by default. You should be able to make a character from each class... twice. If you want to play a different class, why not just roll a new character of that class? Yes, you have to level them, but see point one... you have to level the class skills anyway, and it is probably more feasible to level class skills with the character.
So yeah, I can see why class changes aren't really something the devs are considering right now.Living vicariously through my characters.
My Girls:"If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"
Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
(Signature idea shamelessly stolen from Abeille.)17 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.BlackSparrow wrote: »There are two things that require pointing out when talking about class changes.
1. Classes are tied tightly to their skill lines. A class change would reset those skills and probably refund the skill points spent on them... but it can never make up for the lost experience points. Your class skill lines would all basically be reset to level 1, which means you'd be very weak and vulnerable during the time when you're leveling those skill lines. Unless you rely on weapons skills, this will be a huge drawback that makes class changes extremely complicated to balance.
This is a temporary issue with switching classes. If you're changing them, and then immediately jumping into competitive or high end content, that would be on you. However, I do think that's a valid argument to an extent, because we would see people whining about how the class they just changed to was incredibly weak, and wanting their money back.BlackSparrow wrote: »2. You have eight character slots by default. You should be able to make a character from each class... twice. If you want to play a different class, why not just roll a new character of that class? Yes, you have to level them, but see point one... you have to level the class skills anyway, and it is probably more feasible to level class skills with the character.
So yeah, I can see why class changes aren't really something the devs are considering right now.
3 each, one for each alliance and armor type if you want, now.0 -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »With race, name, and appearance change coming soon to live servers, many of us are wondering where class changes are. Unfortunately, it has been stated in an ESO live episode that these changes are not planned for the game. However, class change is now highly demanded by most of the ESO community. Should we get class change, or keep things as is?
while I am personally very fine with my class (stam DK), I believe there are people, who aren`t and would want to change it to some other class. I am going to change my stam dk altmer (oops, but she was so pretty
), to redguard, because of stam racial passives of course. but she is still going to be hot and harder hitting, August August where are thou !!! 2 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.But only if new classes get added
Where's mah Warden, ZOS?"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU1 -
Neirymn✭✭✭✭Maybe? Haven't thought about itAmsel_McKay wrote: »
Maybe it has a reason for the classes, I don't know. But it's tempting, I loved the freedom in Skyrim. In that scenario, no need for classe change and no need to balance classes anymore. It must not be that simple though, maybe one day, who knows.1 -
BlackSparrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I'm fine with my classes.starkerealm wrote: »However, I do think that's a valid argument to an extent, because we would see people whining about how the class they just changed to was incredibly weak, and wanting their money back.
That is literally what I was thinking of when I wrote that post. XD
It's a fair point that unleveled class skills is a temporary issue, but so is just leveling a new character, so... *shrug*
The other thing I'm worried we'd start seeing is people constantly switching to the Flavor of the Month build. Even moreso than many do already, anyway. Race change is already going the exacerbate it.. do you really want everyone to be playing the exact same class and race, just because it's the flavor of the month?Living vicariously through my characters.
My Girls:"If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"
Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
(Signature idea shamelessly stolen from Abeille.)1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, I'm fine with my classes.It takes 5 hours to go from level 3-50...
I know that certain people can't be bothered maxing their fighters guild, mage guild and undaunted but having 1 of each class helps you as a player so much more.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.Class changing makes a lot more sense than race changing. A person can go ahead and learn a new skill set, but they can't go from being humans into being cats.3 -
BlackSparrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I'm fine with my classes.Class changing makes a lot more sense than race changing. A person can go ahead and learn a new skill set, but they can't go from being humans into being cats.
When all other lore-friendly explanations fail, assume Sheogorath did it.
Edited by BlackSparrow on July 10, 2016 8:22PMLiving vicariously through my characters.
My Girls:"If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"
Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
(Signature idea shamelessly stolen from Abeille.)0 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.Class changing makes a lot more sense than race changing. A person can go ahead and learn a new skill set, but they can't go from being humans into being cats.
Well a Dunmer tried to turn himself into a Khajiit in Woodhearth, but ended up being an Argonian"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.leepalmer95 wrote: »It takes 5 hours to go from level 3-50...
I know that certain people can't be bothered maxing their fighters guild, mage guild and undaunted but having 1 of each class helps you as a player so much more.
To be fair, powerleveling your class usually does a terrible job of actually teaching you how to play it.0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I'm fine with my classes.starkerealm wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »It takes 5 hours to go from level 3-50...
I know that certain people can't be bothered maxing their fighters guild, mage guild and undaunted but having 1 of each class helps you as a player so much more.
To be fair, powerleveling your class usually does a terrible job of actually teaching you how to play it.
Well the learning how to play it comes after that, point is it's so easy to level a new character what is the point of class change? Maybe this would be relevant when v16 was cap and it took a while to get there.
PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.BlackSparrow wrote: »
True. I just really don't like the idea of race change. It always brings to mind what Michael Jackson did to him self. >.>
I guess that could be put on Sheogorath too though.
Was it Sheogorath's doing?
leepalmer95 wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »It takes 5 hours to go from level 3-50...
I know that certain people can't be bothered maxing their fighters guild, mage guild and undaunted but having 1 of each class helps you as a player so much more.
To be fair, powerleveling your class usually does a terrible job of actually teaching you how to play it.
Well the learning how to play it comes after that, point is it's so easy to level a new character what is the point of class change? Maybe this would be relevant when v16 was cap and it took a while to get there.
It is because it is so easy to level new characters now that it is alright to have race changes or class changes.Edited by Grao on July 10, 2016 8:52PM0 -
AGrz5585✭✭✭No, I'm fine with my classes.I have never played an MMO that let players change their class. It's stupid. If you want a new class, make a new char. It's as simple as that.
Kids these days...2 -
theher0not✭✭✭✭✭Maybe? Haven't thought about itDon't care. If it is added fine (as long as Zos doesn't over nerf/buff a class to bait people to use it) if not then fine too. If other people want to change I see no reason for them not to be able too do it.Edited by theher0not on July 10, 2016 9:23PM0
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newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No.
Classes should be dismantled. There should only be skill lines.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis5 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Right now I don't think it is really needed, but if they ever add another class it would be nice if they did let us change classes.
Especially if they don't raise the character limit. I would be pretty mad if they added another class and I had 12 fully leveled characters already, which would mean I would have to delete one to play as the new class. Or worse, if the new class fits an archetype I had for an existing character better than the class I picked for her.
Was it Sheogorath's doing?
It was a simple potion. Race change is something that exists within the TES universe.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
Kronuxx✭✭✭✭No, I'm fine with my classes.starkerealm wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »It takes 5 hours to go from level 3-50...
I know that certain people can't be bothered maxing their fighters guild, mage guild and undaunted but having 1 of each class helps you as a player so much more.
To be fair, powerleveling your class usually does a terrible job of actually teaching you how to play it.
And class change is somehow going to do a better job at teaching your class...?0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.starkerealm wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »It takes 5 hours to go from level 3-50...
I know that certain people can't be bothered maxing their fighters guild, mage guild and undaunted but having 1 of each class helps you as a player so much more.
To be fair, powerleveling your class usually does a terrible job of actually teaching you how to play it.
And class change is somehow going to do a better job at teaching your class...?
I seriously doubt it.0 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.Yes, but search Kalifas' class crafting concept. That is the way forward.Edited by Solariken on July 10, 2016 10:09PM1 -
RebornV3x✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.yesXbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes!! ZOS, make class change a thing.starkerealm wrote: »
Both please! Lol.
Well, if you insist. *Salt's Solariken's wounds, then opens new ones and salts those too.*
Wait... that was what you meant, right? 0