Stamina Regeneration While Blocking!

dodgehopper_ESO

Yes: 50-70% Stamina regeneration while blocking

Nifty2g wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Stamina used to regenerate while we were blocking, which helped so much in Cyrodiil PvP and even tanking in PvE.
Do you want it back in one way or another?

Maelstrom mace, Heroic slash + heavy attack = unlimited stamina.

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I'm just going to suggest to you something @Nifty2g - Gear sets should not define a build. This is a one-choice suggestion and not a good one at that. In my view there is a great design flaw if a build REQUIRES the ONE GOOD SET. Choice should be available, and good choice should be available. In my own view, balance and consideration for the tank build has seen the least amount of serious thought by the developers. There are other, better suggestions on the table here and I think a lot of Tanks would be happy to see those instead (and they would resolve permanent blocking in pvp as well).

Jimboo84

No; because...

you're blocking, no regeneration.

Personofsecrets

Yes: 100% Stamina regeneration while blocking

Jimboo84 wrote: »

you're blocking, no regeneration.

Your attacking, no regeneration.

KochDerDamonen

Yes: 100% Stamina regeneration while blocking

Alt solution: After blocking for x consecutive seconds OR reaching a stamina threshold, you are 'fatigued' and reveiving a bash attack will lower your guard and drain stamina OR stun you

Alt alt solution that won't happen: blocking attacks from behind has no effect

abelsgmx

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Stamina used to regenerate while we were blocking, which helped so much in Cyrodiil PvP and even tanking in PvE.
Do you want it back in one way or another?

I think that perma blockers are doing some extra, i can't hold block for long even with 2k stamina regen and full stamina builds, mabe they use bubble shields, i don't know, i am bad mitigating damage

Bad_Company

Yes: 50-70% Stamina regeneration while blocking

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Bad_Company wrote: »

Just my 2 cents here. While I voted for it to be 50% of your Stamina Recovery, I also have another idea. One of the passives from the Heavy Armor skill line (maybe Juggernaut) could also have the following perk:
While blocking with a shield you gain 25-50% (25% with 1 point, 50% with 2) of your normal Stamina Recovery for up to 4 seconds. This effect has a cooldown of 10 seconds.

This way there wouldn't be problems regarding people wearing shields in pvp just for the benefits of blocking without any downside and tanks would get some more love.

That is basically an existing passive. It is called Constitution.

Constitution does something completely different, how can this be even compared to it?

Brrrofski

No; because...

More perma block build in pvp.... No thanks.

It's not even needed in pve either. With a decent build and proper rotation, you can never run out of stam. You don't even need shard or repentance really.

Tryxus

Other Idea

My idea: have the Block Stam become part of Battle Spirit so that tanks have it good in PvE and can't permablock in PvP

Personofsecrets

Yes: 100% Stamina regeneration while blocking

Bad_Company wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Bad_Company wrote: »

Just my 2 cents here. While I voted for it to be 50% of your Stamina Recovery, I also have another idea. One of the passives from the Heavy Armor skill line (maybe Juggernaut) could also have the following perk:
While blocking with a shield you gain 25-50% (25% with 1 point, 50% with 2) of your normal Stamina Recovery for up to 4 seconds. This effect has a cooldown of 10 seconds.

This way there wouldn't be problems regarding people wearing shields in pvp just for the benefits of blocking without any downside and tanks would get some more love.

That is basically an existing passive. It is called Constitution.

Constitution does something completely different, how can this be even compared to it?

It is like comparing the color pink to the color tickle me pink. They are completely different, but obviously very similar.

DocFrost72

Other Idea

I'd like to see more stamina recovery options like repentance and spear shards, but universal. Maybe from the mages guild line?

Also more gear like the master's resto that helps with resources.

Lightninvash

No; because...

perma blocking DK no ty haha

EDIT: now if there was like a 10-20% stam regen I could get behind that. But it would have to be a very minimal regen percent

KochDerDamonen

Yes: 100% Stamina regeneration while blocking

I would like to note the fact that this absolutely kills a stat, a stat already found on many tanking gearsets, and stifles builds not involving some alt stamina regain spam in upper end content (DK still permablocking, NB to an extent with siphon, needing Temp shards dropped). Endurance is max health and stamina regen

I'm also not talking about average 4man content, you could go a whole vet dungeon without raising your shield.

Tavore1138

Yes: 50-70% Stamina regeneration while blocking

I'd like to see some recovery because while I'd hate to go back to the days of permanent blocks there are a lot of penalties against stamina users base resource pool that we need to actually trigger skills.... we get penalised for sneaking, sprinting, dodging and blocking all of which leave us less able to fight where magicka builds can do all those things and still have a full magicka pool with which to fight... I can roam Cyro all day on my magblade and never run our of juice but stamblade takes a lot more management...

Ep1kMalware

No; because...

infused weapon+heavy attack cancelling with block = unlimited stamina while blocking. OP, this is a l2p issue. seriously, try it.

here's a tutorial:

hold down attack button, never let go. right before weapon swings forward, tap block. ??? profit.

Aemon_Isklexi

Other Idea

I'll throw my hat into the ring for "heavy armor passive". I think attaching stamina regen while blocking to one of the heavy armor passives (probably one that requires 5 pieces) could work well. It would confine it to tank builds since the medium and light armor perks are pretty huge for dps.

Brrrofski

No; because...

Tryxus wrote: »

My idea: have the Block Stam become part of Battle Spirit so that tanks have it good in PvE and can't permablock in PvP

Why? Sustaining stamina in pve is stupid easy. I have 18k stam and never run out, even running things like imperial prison with no tempalr give shards and Repentance.

It's really not needed.

DRXHarbinger

No; because...

Personofsecrets wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Stamina used to regenerate while we were blocking, which helped so much in Cyrodiil PvP and even tanking in PvE.
Do you want it back in one way or another?

Maelstrom mace, Heroic slash + heavy attack = unlimited stamina.

lol, that is nowhere close to what the maelstrom tank item does. it is awful.

You evidently don't have one. Or one of those tanks that wait until they have 5 stam left to try and regain any. A simple combo like this gets me like 20% of my stam pool back. If it let's me park the overfiend up and never need a single shard then it's fine. If you really want to stand around blocking in pvp then well. ..l2p I guess. It's a death match why postpone the inevitable. Tank builds were never designed for mass group pvp.

On the subject if wanting permablocking. ..fine I'd say have it but then then let me attack a tank from behind with full damage. Not like that shield would do anything when you're pointing it the wrong way.

lol.

I'm one of those tanks that always blocks and has totally 0 issues. One of the reasons I have no issues with my resources is because I'm a good enough player to know that the Maelstrom Sword is strictly decon material.

You are costing your group somewhere around 5% damage increase by using the terrible maelstrom enchant.

How so? Also please don't imply my tank does no damage. I can tank any trial and dungeon whilst still having over 2k weapon damage and running a bow and AOE back bar Inc expensive caltrops all thanks to an awesome extra regen. Just slot that with siphoning strikes and I'm done.

idk

No; because...

The chsnge was partly due to eliminating permablocking in Cyrodiil just as they have work on reducing constant dodge rolling.

The change has been good for the game. And doesn't need to be changed back. If your wanting some stam regen while blocking use the heavy armor and its passives as another has already pointed out in this thread.

dodgehopper_ESO

Yes: 50-70% Stamina regeneration while blocking

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

infused weapon+heavy attack cancelling with block = unlimited stamina while blocking. OP, this is a l2p issue. seriously, try it.

here's a tutorial:

hold down attack button, never let go. right before weapon swings forward, tap block. ??? profit.

No it isn't, what you're talking about is the workaround for a bad design choice. Its just bad design, period. I'll repeat myself, the current solution they have for permanent blocking is BAD DESIGN. There are much better suggestions being made that are more interesting for the player and balance the concerns.

nine9six

Other Idea

Don't care either way.

LorDrek

Yes: 50-70% Stamina regeneration while blocking

Need for stamina dps.

Personofsecrets

Yes: 100% Stamina regeneration while blocking

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

infused weapon+heavy attack cancelling with block = unlimited stamina while blocking. OP, this is a l2p issue. seriously, try it.

here's a tutorial:

hold down attack button, never let go. right before weapon swings forward, tap block. ??? profit.

instead of holding the right mouse button we hold the left?

why is one type of skilless play reprehensible, but the other is endorsed?

Sharmony

No; because...

it has made a good change to the game now where learning to tank and using block is now a valuable skill. Management of resources just like dps is something that should be learnt and it's great to have things that can be learnt in a game to improve you as a player.

Ghost-Shot

Yes: 50-70% Stamina regeneration while blocking

Sharmony wrote: »

it has made a good change to the game now where learning to tank and using block is now a valuable skill. Management of resources just like dps is something that should be learnt and it's great to have things that can be learnt in a game to improve you as a player.

DPS resource management hasn't been a thing since 1.5, I play with about 80% up time on Kena and rarely go below 50% magicka.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

No; because...

Robbmrp wrote: »

How would this change anything that it was originally done for? Then we'd have endless block builds again in Cyrodil as well as tanks standing in one spot doing the same.

At this point, it would be better to lower the cost reduction for block than to change how regen works.

What he said...

starkerealm

No; because...

...because I've been here for more than 15 minutes, and remember when the tank meta was light armor and a shield. Let's not go back to that, okay?

Personofsecrets

Yes: 100% Stamina regeneration while blocking

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Stamina used to regenerate while we were blocking, which helped so much in Cyrodiil PvP and even tanking in PvE.
Do you want it back in one way or another?

Maelstrom mace, Heroic slash + heavy attack = unlimited stamina.

lol, that is nowhere close to what the maelstrom tank item does. it is awful.

You evidently don't have one. Or one of those tanks that wait until they have 5 stam left to try and regain any. A simple combo like this gets me like 20% of my stam pool back. If it let's me park the overfiend up and never need a single shard then it's fine. If you really want to stand around blocking in pvp then well. ..l2p I guess. It's a death match why postpone the inevitable. Tank builds were never designed for mass group pvp.

On the subject if wanting permablocking. ..fine I'd say have it but then then let me attack a tank from behind with full damage. Not like that shield would do anything when you're pointing it the wrong way.

lol.

I'm one of those tanks that always blocks and has totally 0 issues. One of the reasons I have no issues with my resources is because I'm a good enough player to know that the Maelstrom Sword is strictly decon material.

You are costing your group somewhere around 5% damage increase by using the terrible maelstrom enchant.

Also please don't imply my tank does no damage. I can tank any trial and dungeon whilst still having over 2k weapon damage and running a bow and AOE back bar Inc expensive caltrops all thanks to an awesome extra regen. Just slot that with siphoning strikes and I'm done.

I wont imply it - I will come right out and say that in a raid setting your 2k weapon damage and aoe attacks are going to give you far less damage than the 5% increase in group damage that you could have if, instead of running a terrible enchant on your weapon, you ran the crushing enchant.

Peekachu99

No; because...

If you're running out of resources as a tank, there's something wrong in your build or gear. I say this as a CP capped NB/Temp/DK tank who runs vets and trials all the time.

I thought I would hate that change the most out of the recent tanking "tweaks", but it's not that bad. As much as I would like to go back to being a permablock, immortal brute in PVP, too--those days are over (and needed to be nerfed).

AverageJo3Gam3r

No; because...

Nope. Tank since I first made my character back when console launched. With the sturdy trait and constitution changes, tanking is in a really good spot right now. No need to change it.

DRXHarbinger

No; because...

Personofsecrets wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Stamina used to regenerate while we were blocking, which helped so much in Cyrodiil PvP and even tanking in PvE.
Do you want it back in one way or another?

Maelstrom mace, Heroic slash + heavy attack = unlimited stamina.

lol, that is nowhere close to what the maelstrom tank item does. it is awful.

You evidently don't have one. Or one of those tanks that wait until they have 5 stam left to try and regain any. A simple combo like this gets me like 20% of my stam pool back. If it let's me park the overfiend up and never need a single shard then it's fine. If you really want to stand around blocking in pvp then well. ..l2p I guess. It's a death match why postpone the inevitable. Tank builds were never designed for mass group pvp.

On the subject if wanting permablocking. ..fine I'd say have it but then then let me attack a tank from behind with full damage. Not like that shield would do anything when you're pointing it the wrong way.

lol.

I'm one of those tanks that always blocks and has totally 0 issues. One of the reasons I have no issues with my resources is because I'm a good enough player to know that the Maelstrom Sword is strictly decon material.

You are costing your group somewhere around 5% damage increase by using the terrible maelstrom enchant.

Also please don't imply my tank does no damage. I can tank any trial and dungeon whilst still having over 2k weapon damage and running a bow and AOE back bar Inc expensive caltrops all thanks to an awesome extra regen. Just slot that with siphoning strikes and I'm done.

I wont imply it - I will come right out and say that in a raid setting your 2k weapon damage and aoe attacks are going to give you far less damage than the 5% increase in group damage that you could have if, instead of running a terrible enchant on your weapon, you ran the crushing enchant.

Please enlighten on where this 5% is coming from.