UPDATE: Zenimax official statment of gap closers being an exploit in here

Arthg

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

I wonder if a thread was made on say maulbeth, if the banhammer would drop, or if there is just 0 consistency as it seems.

As someone incensed at ZOS's <insert derogatory terms here> when it comes to cheating and exploits, I would tend to say there's zero consistency.

As far as exploits go, and even though I'm in favour of a super-tough stance altogether against such behaviours, I'd say the least ZOS should do is give players a fair, INGAME warning before taking action.

Announcements in the launcher, updated tooltips with a red warning, NPCs reading the rules aloud at the spawn points in Cyrodiil, etc. let nobody be unaware - and then only take action.

But quite frankly - I'm pessimistic.

KrishakPanettier

But, these gap closers also allow enemy players into the inside of the keep tower, so when you port in from another friendly keep, you get ambushed by enemy players that shouldn't be in there. Should be a safe zone until the wall comes down -- enemy die instantly inside inner keep.

yodased

KrishakPanettier wrote: »

But, these gap closers also allow enemy players into the inside of the keep tower, so when you port in from another friendly keep, you get ambushed by enemy players that shouldn't be in there. Should be a safe zone until the wall comes down -- enemy die instantly inside inner keep.

Mmhmm and a lot of other things like being able to wipe the npcs, then stealth and gank anyone who is porting into the keep.

It's garbage, everyone who does it knows it's garbage, anyone who has had it done to them is garbage.

Heike

Joy_Division wrote: »

Azurethe wrote: »

But I mean, its like, I look at the ground and there are like 30-40 AD dead, and I think like, this is pretty sad


Then I look at my AP per hour and it shows 160K and then I feel better about myself


Its wrong ofc, and its our issue, but its also ZOS' for breaking something so important to the game's structure

What's sad is not the 30 dead AD.

It's not even that you and the emperor are abusing unintended mechanics to ruin the PvP of other players, most of them no doubt far less experienced than the two of you.

It's your unrepentant and selfish attitude, justifying trash play simply because of your AP gain and ZoS's inability to close a game-play loophole they have been 100% consistent saying is unintentional.

^^^^^^

That. Period.

fred.thomsonb16_ESO

Unintentionally repeatedly observed on the PTS, reported and pushed to live. It's situations like this that will either get the game fixed or break the player base. How will it be handled I wonder?

Neowit

The glitch personalizes pvp. Until it's removed, I'm glad there's something to force people to actually learn how to fight in Cyrodiil. Guess that's over now that pugs can spam tag ZOS to crucify anyone they don't like who uses this "exploit." Zennimax should also ban everyone on ps4, as people are evidently "exploiting" all over the place. Please fix gap closers. Please fix animation canceling. Please fix anything that might make the game challenging.

KisoValley

yodased wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Parafrost wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

DrMoonMoon wrote: »

@yodased has been the most negative and disrespectful person on this thread. You constantly engage in personal attacks against people you have never met and thus you really don't know what you are talking about. Then when that's no longer enough you whisper them. On top of all of that, your comments are laced with profanity There are other ways to discuss things instead of degrading and putting down others just because they have a different point of view. I hope you find what you are looking for in life.

By different point of view do you mean "exploiting is ok"?

And lol Yoda hasn't been the most negative and disrespectful person on this thread... He's not even close to my level of negative and disrespectful. He actually tries not to be like that, where I try to be like that most the time.

But, if you are caught cheating... you really deserve to be mocked and ridiculed (as far as the mods will allow), because lol bro you are cheating at a game that isn't single player.

I once had a friend that cheated at board games... you couldn't go to the bathroom or take your eyes off him. Bishops would change the color tile they were on, and when you caught him with two bishops on the same color his response was to sweep the board with his hand and either tell you to leave or leave himself. The reason for it was he wasn't very good and cheating was the only way to change that.

So yah, I'm saying the cheaters cheat because they aren't very good and that's their crutch.

Just like zergs ball up together because they aren't good. This is a elder scrolls game. You can do whatever tf you want to do. If you want to solo play you can solo play, if you want to play in a large group play in a large group. If i want to gap close onto some random who decided to stand right where sieges can hit him, then he deserves it. It is his fault for standing on the edge, and it is zos fault for making gap closers what they are. You pc players had a long time to test pts for stuff like this, and i know you guys reported it. No one is to blame here but a companies inability to fix the problem that later would turn into such a huge mess. There are far more important things to fix rather like the lag and constant loading screens in dungeons. Those have yet to be fixed for console.

Actually you can't gap close into keeps/outposts without it being an exploit, sorry.

The other problem you mentioned is the pts thing. The problem there is that's it's full of the cheats and exploiters that go there under the pretense of testing, but they aren't remotely interested in it past gaming the system. For PC, all the "usual suspects" are also busy on the pts. This is why exploit after exploit is used in the game immediately after a patch.

Plus the PTS isn't like some magical place, its 3 weeks before the patch goes live to get real-world tests of their code.

I mean, you would hope they have internal testing teams that have already identified all these bugs and they are working on replicating them and squashing them and the PTS is not their sole source of bug investigation.

Actually if ZOS hired people good at their job 3 weeks is enough to either fix it or take it out completely before letting it get to live. I never realised vids were posted about the gap closing on PTS from day 1, so the fact ZOS knew it at least a month before live and didn't do ANYTHING to stop it coming to live tells me and everyone not braindead that they in fact do not care.

Some_Guy

http://imgur.com/Ev88FUS
"And they will do nothing"
Read it again.
"And they will do nothing"
Correct me if I'm wrong (which I'm not) but it appears... that they did something...

Some_Guy

That conversation should look familiar to you.

Smolt

Use a third party program to hack the game and ruin leaderboards? No biggie, welcome back cheaters. Press the wrong button while you're reticle is hovering over an enemy player? You're out. Makes sense.

yodased

Smolt wrote: »

Use a third party program to hack the game and ruin leaderboards? No biggie, welcome back cheaters. Press the wrong button while you're reticle is hovering over an enemy player? You're out. Makes sense.

No. This is not that.

You can not get away with saying that the only person in trouble for this got in trouble for THIS.

That person was/is a completely toxic variable to the situation. The blatant disregard for rules and disrespect of the other people playing the game is what got the ban.

The gap closing/emp trolling incident simply incited the inquiry into the players behavior.

You do not get to say this person was banned because they gap closed into a keep, that is not correct.

Smolt

yodased wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

Use a third party program to hack the game and ruin leaderboards? No biggie, welcome back cheaters. Press the wrong button while you're reticle is hovering over an enemy player? You're out. Makes sense.

No. This is not that.

You can not get away with saying that the only person in trouble for this got in trouble for THIS.

That person was/is a completely toxic variable to the situation. The blatant disregard for rules and disrespect of the other people playing the game is what got the ban.

The gap closing/emp trolling incident simply incited the inquiry into the players behavior.

You do not get to say this person was banned because they gap closed into a keep, that is not correct.

Oh, my bad sir. I thought you were all in favor that players be permabanned for this. Didn't realize you are reasonable. Now I know the real reason they were banned is because they were a meanie. This is what people who have been banned are saying is all, but I'm sure you know every detail of their cases.

Btw, some of the cheaters that are back just levitated over walls, apparently that is a safer method.

Heike

Apart from the great comments here (from both sides), I'm enjoying the politics of dancing here.

And... I think it's both, insane and insanely funny, that someone would make an alt forum account so that he could come here and support the posts that his main toon is posting. O.o

Creepy.... but, hilarious. LOL

Does that happen a lot here?

yodased

Exactly that, being a meanie should not be allowed. I mean how is that a hard concept?

Sandman929

I love the lengths that toxic people will go to to justify their behavior. The problem is never them, it's just that everyone else should put up with them.

rfennell_ESO

Smolt wrote: »

Use a third party program to hack the game and ruin leaderboards? No biggie, welcome back cheaters. Press the wrong button while you're reticle is hovering over an enemy player? You're out. Makes sense.

It's the logical argument to make if defending exploiting is your goal.

My guess is that very few people that "accidentally" charged up on to a keep wall or outpost platform did it repeatedly.

Also, the angles you have to achieve to get the gap closer exploit to function are not naturally occurring... People don't sit on the postern steps and use charge very often in the direction of the keep. I guess it's "possible" that people happen to be on the postern steps and press the wrong button, but I don't think it happens very often...

After seeing this garbage for a week + there are very few that got up to where they shouldn't be accidentally. Is it possible? sure. Is that possibility a statistical point of meaning? No, it's not. It's barely a blip in regards to the amount of exploiting going on. To use that argument as defense is intentionally misleading.

Smolt

yodased wrote: »

Exactly that, being a meanie should not be allowed. I mean how is that a hard concept?

That's like, your opinion man.

yodased

Smolt wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Exactly that, being a meanie should not be allowed. I mean how is that a hard concept?

That's like, your opinion man.

You are correct in every way, that is my opinion. That is why the word should is there.

leeux

I don't think it is only his opinion...if you read it attentively, I'm pretty sure ZOS' TOS says that too pretty clearly.
Of course, not using the word 'meanie', but the semantics behind the terms are similar.

Smolt

Everyone who has ever been accused of any kind of exploit or unkind behavior should be permabanned. I'm on board, let's make cyrodiil amazing.

yodased

No one was banned for gap closers, sir. It was basic griefing plain and simple.

From wikipedia

A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways.[1] A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals.[2]

sluice

In, before the ZOS cleanup.

luen79rwb17_ESO

The skills should be fixed asap, that should be the first thing to focus on.

MoreDino

I have noticed less of it (the issue is not completely resolved obviously) since at least 1 person was banned and the appeal denied. Word gets around, it seems.

Stratforge

yodased wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

Use a third party program to hack the game and ruin leaderboards? No biggie, welcome back cheaters. Press the wrong button while you're reticle is hovering over an enemy player? You're out. Makes sense.

No. This is not that.

You can not get away with saying that the only person in trouble for this got in trouble for THIS.

That person was/is a completely toxic variable to the situation. The blatant disregard for rules and disrespect of the other people playing the game is what got the ban.

The gap closing/emp trolling incident simply incited the inquiry into the players behavior.

You do not get to say this person was banned because they gap closed into a keep, that is not correct.

You guys are like the Faith Militant. Can't wait until you convince ZoS to start throwing out punishment for animation canceling or some other nonsense.

yodased

Stratforge wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

Use a third party program to hack the game and ruin leaderboards? No biggie, welcome back cheaters. Press the wrong button while you're reticle is hovering over an enemy player? You're out. Makes sense.

No. This is not that.

You can not get away with saying that the only person in trouble for this got in trouble for THIS.

That person was/is a completely toxic variable to the situation. The blatant disregard for rules and disrespect of the other people playing the game is what got the ban.

The gap closing/emp trolling incident simply incited the inquiry into the players behavior.

You do not get to say this person was banned because they gap closed into a keep, that is not correct.

You guys are like the Faith Militant. Can't wait until you convince ZoS to start throwing out punishment for animation canceling or some other nonsense.

I appreciate you thinking I have some sort of influence over zos. I mean i suck that much at pvp I must be a forum emperor

I don't want anyone to be punished, sir. I want players to make the active choice to play fair

Stratforge

yodased wrote: »

Stratforge wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

Use a third party program to hack the game and ruin leaderboards? No biggie, welcome back cheaters. Press the wrong button while you're reticle is hovering over an enemy player? You're out. Makes sense.

No. This is not that.

You can not get away with saying that the only person in trouble for this got in trouble for THIS.

That person was/is a completely toxic variable to the situation. The blatant disregard for rules and disrespect of the other people playing the game is what got the ban.

The gap closing/emp trolling incident simply incited the inquiry into the players behavior.

You do not get to say this person was banned because they gap closed into a keep, that is not correct.

You guys are like the Faith Militant. Can't wait until you convince ZoS to start throwing out punishment for animation canceling or some other nonsense.

I appreciate you thinking I have some sort of influence over zos. I mean i suck that much at pvp I must be a forum emperor

I don't want anyone to be punished, sir. I want players to make the active choice to play fair

My mistake then. Others in this thread certainly want players to be punished. There was quite a witch hunt around page 5 (I believe, will not be taking the time to look back) that resulted in someone getting banned already.

Boomboom

yodased wrote: »

Stratforge wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

Use a third party program to hack the game and ruin leaderboards? No biggie, welcome back cheaters. Press the wrong button while you're reticle is hovering over an enemy player? You're out. Makes sense.

No. This is not that.

You can not get away with saying that the only person in trouble for this got in trouble for THIS.

That person was/is a completely toxic variable to the situation. The blatant disregard for rules and disrespect of the other people playing the game is what got the ban.

The gap closing/emp trolling incident simply incited the inquiry into the players behavior.

You do not get to say this person was banned because they gap closed into a keep, that is not correct.

You guys are like the Faith Militant. Can't wait until you convince ZoS to start throwing out punishment for animation canceling or some other nonsense.

I appreciate you thinking I have some sort of influence over zos. I mean i suck that much at pvp I must be a forum emperor

I don't want anyone to be punished, sir. I want players to make the active choice to play fair

That's is where your fault lies. After all this CE nonsense going around you really expect the players to make a choice to play fair? It shouldn't even be up to the players in the first place because we all know people will take any advantage they can get. Which is why it shouldn't even be in the game. I'd rather have a broken gap closer than a gap closer that if I use incorrectly (which is ridiculously easy to do considering you don't have to be in a certain place on the front porch to do it)
I'll get banned permanently. Why couldn't they just roll back the "fix" to gap closers when they first heard about it on DAY 1 of PTS.

MoreDino

How does one go about looking up and pressing your gap closer hotkey accidentally? Usually I'm aware enough to know what keybinds are my range attacks/defensive abilities.

Cinnamon_Spider

MoreDino wrote: »

How does one go about looking up and pressing your gap closer hotkey accidentally? Usually I'm aware enough to know what keybinds are my range attacks/defensive abilities.

On my Templar, I have Healing Ward in slot 3 and then Toppling Charge in the same spot on my other bar. There have been a number of times where swap has failed and I've charged someone instead of casting ward. With lag, this can happen.