Traders and Guild Banks: BROKEN

code65536

Insomnia rex wrote: »

@code65536, was this communicated in any way to you when it happened or did it just happen?

Basically my question is, if someone gets a social ban, do they even know they got it and does it come with a time?

There was no communication to me whatsoever. The only reason I knew what was going on was because this isn't that uncommon for guild leaders (due to mass-mailings) and so I had already heard stories about it from others.

Insomnia rex

Oh ok. So in that sense you could label it as a communication bug. If you do not know what for or even that you are punished (just or unjust) how will you adjust your behavior.

NobleNerd

From reading this post I wonder if it is their secret measures implemented recently to combat the Cheat Engine hacks. I had a friend tell me he tried to fish for a few hours recently and had such horrible ping and lag he left the game. He then played another MMO with no issues.

Zaldan

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Why is it that every time someone experiences a bug the response is "INCOMPETENCE"...

I really hate to break it to you bub, but after playing MMO's since 1998 and muds before that... BUGS OCCUR!

What's actually incompetence is that a community of MMO player's do not realize that perfection isn't possible...

One thing I am positive of though, if you /bug report it in game, you can be part of the solution.

Edit: And just so you don't think I'm picking on you or our community in general, this attitude spans every MMO on the market... It's really quite funny. People need to set reasonable expectations... [snip]

At E3 ZoS states the game has 7,000,000 players. Now even if only 20% of the players have a sub that's $21,000,000 a month that's more then enough to keep the lights on pay the bills and fix bugs. Even with 10% that's $10,500,000 per month. So they have the money to fix and upgrade what they need.

pretty sure they never said they have 7 million players, 7 million accounts opened since launch maybe, be lucky if there's 2 million active players in ESO atm

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Wrathmane

nimander99 wrote: »

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Not that is funny.... but really good response to this!

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Bubbele

How long it takes to fix this problems, my problem begins 15.6. I think 10 days and no answers from support its not very funny.

Kr3do

Also got this today . . .
How the [snip] am i supposed to get potions, buff food gear etc?
[snip] zos?
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MikkaEngel

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

Hey @Conquistador, please let me know if you're still unable to access the guild bank or traders and which server you're on if you're still having trouble.

Hi i have the same Problem.. can you write me a massage?

Argleblaster

I have been having the same problem. Posted it in the bugs forum until someone explained what was going on. it would have been useful to let me know what I was doing incorrectly.

I tried using MailR recently, but it locked up after mailing only 8 people. (you guys have gotten strict maybe?)

I have also been grinding a bit in Eastmarch--I'd make one pass through the area around the wayshrine between each New Life quest submission. Found that it was not too boring that way, but certainly levelled a couple of toons well. Is that now frowned upon?

Please un-ban me.

skiptomyluau

Muds.. wow that brings back memories. When I was like 14 I was hooked on worlds of carnage

Kaelcifer

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

Thanks for the update, @Conquistador, I have sent you a PM to request more information. If anyone else is experiencing the same issue with Guild Trader/Banks, please let me know either by replying here or sending me a PM.

I'm having the same issue I believe

DurzoBlint13

Zaldan wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Why is it that every time someone experiences a bug the response is "INCOMPETENCE"...

I really hate to break it to you bub, but after playing MMO's since 1998 and muds before that... BUGS OCCUR!

What's actually incompetence is that a community of MMO player's do not realize that perfection isn't possible...

One thing I am positive of though, if you /bug report it in game, you can be part of the solution.

Edit: And just so you don't think I'm picking on you or our community in general, this attitude spans every MMO on the market... It's really quite funny. People need to set reasonable expectations... [snip]

At E3 ZoS states the game has 7,000,000 players. Now even if only 20% of the players have a sub that's $21,000,000 a month that's more then enough to keep the lights on pay the bills and fix bugs. Even with 10% that's $10,500,000 per month. So they have the money to fix and upgrade what they need.

pretty sure they never said they have 7 million players, 7 million accounts opened since launch maybe, be lucky if there's 2 million active players in ESO atm

this. 7 million is the number of accounts that have been created on ESO across all 3 platforms and all 6 servers. Now think about how many people bought it played for a bit and never came back. ....how many people play a couple hours per month ....how many people have more than one account. This is just another example of how you can make statistics say whatever you want if you do not consider the context of the information

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idk

Conquistador wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Why is it that every time someone experiences a bug the response is "INCOMPETENCE"...

I really hate to break it to you bub, but after playing MMO's since 1998 and muds before that... BUGS OCCUR!

What's actually incompetence is that a community of MMO player's do not realize that perfection isn't possible...

One thing I am positive of though, if you /bug report it in game, you can be part of the solution.

Edit: And just so you don't think I'm picking on you or our community in general, this attitude spans every MMO on the market... It's really quite funny. People need to set reasonable expectations... [snip]

[snip]

The person you quoted pretty much summed it up properly. Especially with the issue your attempting to display.

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DMuehlhausen

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Why is it that every time someone experiences a bug the response is "INCOMPETENCE"...

I really hate to break it to you bub, but after playing MMO's since 1998 and muds before that... BUGS OCCUR!

What's actually incompetence is that a community of MMO player's do not realize that perfection isn't possible...

One thing I am positive of though, if you /bug report it in game, you can be part of the solution.

Edit: And just so you don't think I'm picking on you or our community in general, this attitude spans every MMO on the market... It's really quite funny. People need to set reasonable expectations... [snip]

While I am with you on the overblown dramatic way they open this thread, I would classify a working trader as a reasonable expectation... So I'm somewhere in between complete melt down, and not caring at all if basic functions work I guess.

That is the problem though. Any update or change can cause issues elsewhere. You can never full test how every change will effect every other system in the game. Even a company like Microsoft and their patches. Anytime they patch one issue that fix breaks something else or creates another minor bug. It happens and it always will.

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DMuehlhausen

Conquistador wrote: »

Update: Still no reply. [snip]

With this you have pretty much stated you have no idea how groups, teams, divisions in companies work. The devs that make and fix bug don't read the forums or provide support. The people that respond to your support tickets don't fix bugs, or reply on forums (and that is probably a system generated response based off the information you put in the ticket and hasn't even been touched by a human). The people that respond on these forums have nothing to do with support, or bugs.

Three different jobs
Three different teams

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DMuehlhausen

Dradhok wrote: »

The guild traders work fine for me, however I think they are among the worst game trading systems ever put into a game. The interface needs a complete overhaul. Traveling all over to find one item is deeply flawed. It seems like the dev team sat down and decided to make trading the most annoying and time consuming task in the game.

It was done to make the game world feel more a live. Sure yes there is the internet for us, but before that you couldn't check the inventory of every Target store just by going to the one closest to you.

SolarCat02

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Dradhok wrote: »

The guild traders work fine for me, however I think they are among the worst game trading systems ever put into a game. The interface needs a complete overhaul. Traveling all over to find one item is deeply flawed. It seems like the dev team sat down and decided to make trading the most annoying and time consuming task in the game.

It was done to make the game world feel more a live. Sure yes there is the internet for us, but before that you couldn't check the inventory of every Target store just by going to the one closest to you.

We could still call them individually from the comfort of our own house to ask if they has what we wanted in stock before we drove down there, though. They could even tell you the price, and would sometimes put it behind the counter for you to reserve it as you drove to pick it up.

Even just adding an index so I can search who is selling what I want to buy before I sit through the loading screens to get there would be a vast improvement. Even if it didn't show the price.

Stovahkiin

nimander99 wrote: »

Why is it that every time someone experiences a bug the response is "INCOMPETENCE"...

I really hate to break it to you bub, but after playing MMO's since 1998 and muds before that... BUGS OCCUR!

What's actually incompetence is that a community of MMO player's do not realize that perfection isn't possible...

One thing I am positive of though, if you /bug report it in game, you can be part of the solution.

Edit: And just so you don't think I'm picking on you or our community in general, this attitude spans every MMO on the market... It's really quite funny. People need to set reasonable expectations... [snip]

I think I'm in love with you

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nimander99

jknight201 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Why is it that every time someone experiences a bug the response is "INCOMPETENCE"...

I really hate to break it to you bub, but after playing MMO's since 1998 and muds before that... BUGS OCCUR!

What's actually incompetence is that a community of MMO player's do not realize that perfection isn't possible...

One thing I am positive of though, if you /bug report it in game, you can be part of the solution.

Edit: And just so you don't think I'm picking on you or our community in general, this attitude spans every MMO on the market... It's really quite funny. People need to set reasonable expectations... [snip]

A reasonable expectation is that core functionality of the game, you know - the stuff that would take their QA team 5 minutes to check, doesn't keep getting broken in patch after patch.

And if you think /bug is going to do anything except waste your time in typing something, then you either don't play this game or have never reported a bug before. Or you've been lucky enough to be in the 0.1% of bug reports that got an irrelevant, inane response back.

[snip]

The issue that causes the disparate bugs is the core engine developed circa 2008-9 when this games development began. So lets go back in time, yell at the original designer's. Then we can all have a group hug and hope for the best with the game.

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Gandrhulf_Harbard

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

It was done to make the game world feel more a live. Sure yes there is the internet for us, but before that you couldn't check the inventory of every Target store just by going to the one closest to you.

No you couldn't - and because of that very varied retail systems happened at very local levels. We still see the remnant of that in the Weekly Markets that are so common in much of Europe and, I believe, in parts of the US.

People argue that the Kiosk system adds "more realism" or that it adds a dimension of competition.

It really does neither.

The ONLY competition is for the premium Kiosks - and that really doesn't happen the same way in real economies, because even if Trader X get the deluxe shop on, for example, Oxford Street the guys who missed out on that store can get one 2 minutes walk away and still tap in to 90% of the same customer base. And IIRC such competition doesn't happen at all now as the high end trade guilds bribe other guilds not to bid.

In the real world those traders with kiosks in the middle of nowhere standing at the lonely crossroads go out of business - and in the real world no one else would ever be silly enough to bid on that kiosk.

If we have to keep the Kiosk system, and I do understand why some people like it, it makes more sense to have the Kiosks closer together, in something akin to a "market square", or if not that at least the majority in and around the main quest hub in the zone.

Now, here's what I would consider.

Putting 90% of all the kiosks in relatively good locations so that more customers get to see them (and it will lower prices for the Trade Guilds).

For example on the Stonefalls Map I would put in 6 Kiosks in Davon's Watch (4 inside, 1 outside each of the main gates), 12 Kiosks in Ebonheart (8 together, 4 dispersed around the city), and maybe one Kiosk at Fort Arand, Lukiul Uxith, Hrogar's Hold and Sathram Plantation.

Arrange the Kiosks in towns in a rough "market square" lay out - so that customers get the convenience of not having to run half way around the world to find something (this will increase sales for the Trade Guilds) we already have something akin to this in Mournhold and Riften.

But just to keep a bit of competition have some Kiosks slightly bigger in two ways - more frontage (attracts customers) and slightly more trade slots (better range of goods attracts more customers).

But those Kiosks in out of the way places are still going to have a harder time of it, so let's give them a slight helping hand - those locations are out of the way, but are also mini-quest hubs, and players often need to get rid of "vendor trash" around quest hubs so allow those Kiosks to buy "vendor trash" at slightly reduced prices, no buy backs, don't have them sell anything other than the Trade Guild's goods.

This should address most of the problems Trade Guilds are facing.

But it doesn't address the main issue many non-guild players have; that non-guild players still have no access to a point of sale for their goods.

So let's go back and re-visit that Street Market I mentioned above:

For a 24 hour period each week have a single "Free Trader" stall in the main city of each zone. It will have loads of trade slots, and any player can list an item to be sold during that 24 hr period. There will be a sales tax higher than that imposed on Trade Guild Kiosks. There will be no auction - a player lists the price he wants, not a minimum bid - this is NOT an Auction House. The Sales Tax is levied only if the item sells, but there is a 10 gold Listing Fee that is non-refundable even if the goods don't sell (that listing fee could increase in higher level zones). Limit each account to a maximum of 8 listings. Allow players to post their listings to the Free Trader for 48 hours prior to the Free Trader opening for business, but customers being able to view and actual sales only happen during the 24 hour "Free Trade day".

Once non-Trade-Guild players start to enjoy the limited benefits of their limited access to trade some of them may well opt to join a Trade Guild to enjoy all the benefits of trading, so it could be an avenue for Trade Guilds to recruit new-blood as well.

So, I think I have an idea or two there that addresses the main concern of the Trade Guilds - not enough good kiosks and the good ones are far too costly; and it addresses the main concern of Non-Trade-Guild players - that they have no access at all to the Trade System.

Feel free to tell me I am wrong on this if that is what you believe, but please do explain why you think I am wrong.

All The Best

NovaShadow

Um, thread necro much.

3/4 of this thread is 7 months old.

Stovahkiin

NovaShadow wrote: »

Um, thread necro much.

3/4 of this thread is 7 months old.

Oh dear, it would seem that I have unwittingly helped a forum necromancer... I shall accept my fate of being thrown into the necro'chasm of closedness.....

zakfrickb14_ESO

xilfxlegion wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Why is it that every time someone experiences a bug the response is "INCOMPETENCE"...

I really hate to break it to you bub, but after playing MMO's since 1998 and muds before that... BUGS OCCUR!

What's actually incompetence is that a community of MMO player's do not realize that perfection isn't possible...

One thing I am positive of though, if you /bug report it in game, you can be part of the solution.

Edit: And just so you don't think I'm picking on you or our community in general, this attitude spans every MMO on the market... It's really quite funny. People need to set reasonable expectations... [snip]

if they would put a fairy unicorn kitten in the crown store i would buy that immediately

Well unicorns are actually canon if my oblivion memory is working right... there was this Grove you could go to that had minotaurs and unicorns that would attack you. Was awesome.

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