[BUGS] Shadowy Disguise

DDuke · June 2016

So I decided to document all the bugs I could find in one hour on a video...

https://youtu.be/R60v2QGU8bE

https://youtu.be/JWfWxFz2QQg

Testing was done today (21.6.2016).
The cloak morph I was using is Shadowy Disguise (Rank 4)
I was wearing 5x Vicecanon 5x Viper 1x Blood Spawn 1x Kena & Maelstrom Bow on off bar, if any of this matters.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel

DDuke · June 2016

Natas013 · June 2016

Problem is, in order to get them to fix cloak, they have to admit there's a problem. Seems they're not to good at that

BlackMadara · June 2016

So I know that it must be frustrating being pulled out of cloak by gap closers and projectiles that are mid air when you cloak, but shouldn't that be how it works? It's not like you stop existing, you go invisible, and the projectile is still gonna hit where its gonna hit. Seems like cloak used to work like a dodge roll without a cost penalty, i don't think that was intended.
The other things are ridiculous though and should be fixed

DDuke · June 2016

BlackMadara wrote: »

So I know that it must be frustrating being pulled out of cloak by gap closers and projectiles that are mid air when you cloak, but shouldn't that be how it works? It's not like you stop existing, you go invisible, and the projectile is still gonna hit where its gonna hit. Seems like cloak used to work like a dodge roll without a cost penalty, i don't think that was intended.
The other things are ridiculous though and should be fixed

Previously, when this ability worked fine (IC update/patch 1.6), gap closers used to bring you to the cloaking target, but the damaging aspect would miss and you'd have to use an AoE or magelight or det pot to bring the NB out of cloak.

That's how it's supposed to work.

Same with projectiles, they'd fire off but the cloak would make them miss unless you had magelight/det pot active, or mark on NB.

Rohamad_Ali · June 2016

Fix this ZOS cmon

Ragnaroek93 · June 2016

BlackMadara wrote: »

So I know that it must be frustrating being pulled out of cloak by gap closers and projectiles that are mid air when you cloak, but shouldn't that be how it works? It's not like you stop existing, you go invisible, and the projectile is still gonna hit where its gonna hit. Seems like cloak used to work like a dodge roll without a cost penalty, i don't think that was intended.
The other things are ridiculous though and should be fixed

The thing is, that Nbs have nothing besides cloak as defensive ability. No Major Mending and no purge (alliance war purge doesn't count). They pretty much rely on cloak, but yet every class can make cloak pretty much useless (Temp with buggy gapcloser + sweeps, DK with his armor, Sorc with attronach or hurricane and other Nbs with Vice Canon). What's the point of this ability if every class can make it useless without a specific counterability? A Stamdk for example just needs to stack dots on you and activate Volatile Armor (dot from this ability breaks cloak huehuehue) and there is no chance to outheal this ***.

If this is "balance" in your opinion just imagine how it would be for other classes if Purge, Major Mending or Healing Ward would just work 20% of the time.

thankyourat · June 2016

BlackMadara wrote: »

So I know that it must be frustrating being pulled out of cloak by gap closers and projectiles that are mid air when you cloak, but shouldn't that be how it works? It's not like you stop existing, you go invisible, and the projectile is still gonna hit where its gonna hit. Seems like cloak used to work like a dodge roll without a cost penalty, i don't think that was intended.
The other things are ridiculous though and should be fixed

But cloak, snares, and misdirection is what magic nightblade is all about. Cloak was good because it was a way we could mitigate some incoming damage. Cloak and shade were really the only defensive abilities that we had. Also no one cloaks and just stands there, so the projectile should miss because you went invisible and then you moved.

BlackMadara · June 2016

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

BlackMadara wrote: »

So I know that it must be frustrating being pulled out of cloak by gap closers and projectiles that are mid air when you cloak, but shouldn't that be how it works? It's not like you stop existing, you go invisible, and the projectile is still gonna hit where its gonna hit. Seems like cloak used to work like a dodge roll without a cost penalty, i don't think that was intended.
The other things are ridiculous though and should be fixed

The thing is, that Nbs have nothing besides cloak as defensive ability. No Major Mending and no purge (alliance war purge doesn't count). They pretty much rely on cloak, but yet every class can make cloak pretty much useless (Temp with buggy gapcloser + sweeps, DK with his armor, Sorc with attronach or hurricane and other Nbs with Vice Canon). What's the point of this ability if every class can make it useless without a specific counterability? A Stamdk for example just needs to stack dots on you and activate Volatile Armor (dot from this ability breaks cloak huehuehue) and there is no chance to outheal this ***.

If this is "balance" in your opinion just imagine how it would be for other classes if Purge, Major Mending or Healing Ward would just work 20% of the time.

All defenses do have a counter in this game, some more than others.
Dodge roll - stamina cost penalty
Block - stamina regen penalty
Reflects - restricted to projectiles
Healing - defile debuffs
Shields - cp nonsense and shield breaker
Cloak - aoes and certain skills
Dodge chance - works 20% of the time

Of these I would say that the most effective defense (least amount of counters and penalties) is dodge chance. Then shields, addressed with the duration nerf (not the best idea). Then healing due to mending and vitality buffs stacking for self healing with only defile and fasalla five piece to stop them (mending and vitality aren't easy buffs to come by, class restrictions, heavy channeled resto, pots, sets, still should be looked at). After these, my list gets fuzzy due to not knowing how ZOS wants cloak to work.

The thing about cloak is that it worked as a magicka based dodge that cleansed and rendered the user untargetable. Now it is supposed to suppress dots while active and render the user untargetable. That should work, the fact that it is not is unacceptable. Aoes should still pull you from it but active dots already on you should not, same for your own dots uncloaking you. It should leave you untargetable but mid air projectiles aren't losing target anymore it seems. I can see a couple of reasons for this:
1. ZOS doesn't want cloak to work like a dodge anymore.
2. The meteor cloak change made it so all projectiles no longer lose target mid air by mistake.
Either is probably due to the meteor change. The real question is this a mistake or does ZOS want to remove the pseudo dodge mechanic of cloak completely.
Ps. The volatile armor interaction is probably due to it being considered an aoe and a dot during the entire duration of the dot.

@thankyourat all projectiles in this game act as homing missiles when they are in the air, which makes the moving thing pointless for eso physics. Whether this interaction with cloak is intended or not is my question.

psychotic13 · June 2016

I main a sorc, and they're underwhelming at the moment. So I've decided to start playing my magblade but cloak is just as annoying!

thankyourat · June 2016

@BlackMadara I don't think it's intended because that would mean nightblades would basically have zero class defense, because cloak in its current state is pretty useless. Also I could be wrong but didn't ZOS state that single target abilities shouldn't break cloak. It's annoying that ZOS won't put out an ETA on when it will be fixed

GreenSoup2HoT · June 2016

Thank you so much for this post @DDuke. I have evidence on console of vicecannon breaking cloak which i may post later if you need it.

I really hope Zos says somthing about this.

DDuke · June 2016

Part 2:

https://youtu.be/JWfWxFz2QQg

LegacyDM · June 2016

hey @dduke thanks for doing this. You are truly the cloak hero we need. I'm reminded of the last video you did in feb 2015. For those that don't know or those that forgot, cloak has been a problem off and on since launch. Magicka NB class has endured many many bugs and nerfs for our primary class defense skill.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/145718/stealth-cloak-tests-videos#latest

Keep up the good fight.

@Wrobel why is cloak so problematic? Can you communicate with us about fixing? Us NB have endured a lot of frustration over this skill. My build and play style heavily relies on the skill. You know how frustrating it is to see other class skills work 100% of the time and outperform cloak?

What do we have to do to get this working correctly? Zos, Do you want us to buy the skill from crown store? Would that motivate you to fix it? I'll pay to use a working version of this skill I really will! Even though my 15$ a month doesn't seem to cut it...

GreenSoup2HoT · June 2016

I was all happy when the Shadowwalker set was updated to CP160, good luck trying to utilize it "in-combat". Cloak is so painfully broken right now.

Van_0S · June 2016

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Fix this ZOS cmon

Lol!

,Its ZO$!
Maybe if you give them $$$ then they might consider fixing it!

LegacyDM · June 2016

@DDuke have you ever considered abandoning cloak and using mist form instead? It's clear the devs are either incapable or have no interest in fixing cloak. I've been toying with the idea. Let me know what you think?

DDuke · June 2016

LegacyDM wrote: »

@DDuke have you ever considered abandoning cloak and using mist form instead? It's clear the devs are either incapable or have no interest in fixing cloak. I've been toying with the idea. Let me know what you think?

Meh, not really my thing

I've got 8 characters, I'll just play a class that works well until this game has a stealth class again.

That said, mist form isn't a bad alternative. You also get the increased sneaking speed with vampirism to go along with that - so it could be good.

This may be a stretch, but maybe ZOS is not commenting on cloak issues at all because it's getting some kind of revamp in next week's PTS patch.

GreenSoup2HoT · June 2016

@DDuke

This may be a stretch, but maybe ZOS is not commenting on cloak issues at all because it's getting some kind of revamp in next week's PTS patch.

Do you have any evidence of this change? Or are you just assuming. If Zos does decide to change cloak, it will decide if i continue to play this game or not. Depend's what they do to it.

I'll just play a class that works well until this game has a stealth class again.

I would do the same... if i had other classes. I only play one class, i found what i liked and im sticking to it. Hopefully some fixes come in quick. I guess ill play Heros of the Storm in the mean time.

DDuke · June 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@DDuke

This may be a stretch, but maybe ZOS is not commenting on cloak issues at all because it's getting some kind of revamp in next week's PTS patch.

Do you have any evidence of this change? Or are you just assuming. If Zos does decide to change cloak, it will decide if i continue to play this game or not. Depend's what they do to it.

I'll just play a class that works well until this game has a stealth class again.

I would do the same... if i had other classes. I only play one class, i found what i liked and im sticking to it. Hopefully some fixes come in quick. I guess ill play Heros of the Storm in the mean time.

Just a hunch really... trying to come up with some logical reason why they'd avoid answering this or any of the other dozen threads about bugged cloak.

GreenSoup2HoT · June 2016

DDuke wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@DDuke

This may be a stretch, but maybe ZOS is not commenting on cloak issues at all because it's getting some kind of revamp in next week's PTS patch.

Do you have any evidence of this change? Or are you just assuming. If Zos does decide to change cloak, it will decide if i continue to play this game or not. Depend's what they do to it.

I'll just play a class that works well until this game has a stealth class again.

I would do the same... if i had other classes. I only play one class, i found what i liked and im sticking to it. Hopefully some fixes come in quick. I guess ill play Heros of the Storm in the mean time.

Just a hunch really... trying to come up with some logical reason why they'd avoid answering this or any of the other dozen threads about bugged cloak.

Well, when gap closers are also a huge issue in pvp right now.. i guess Zos does have their hands full.

LegacyDM · June 2016

DDuke wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@DDuke

This may be a stretch, but maybe ZOS is not commenting on cloak issues at all because it's getting some kind of revamp in next week's PTS patch.

Do you have any evidence of this change? Or are you just assuming. If Zos does decide to change cloak, it will decide if i continue to play this game or not. Depend's what they do to it.

I'll just play a class that works well until this game has a stealth class again.

I would do the same... if i had other classes. I only play one class, i found what i liked and im sticking to it. Hopefully some fixes come in quick. I guess ill play Heros of the Storm in the mean time.

Just a hunch really... trying to come up with some logical reason why they'd avoid answering this or any of the other dozen threads about bugged cloak.

1. Cause they don't know how to fix it. Or it's to much work to fix.
2. They hope the posts go away quietly
3. Like other guy said, it's not a priority
4. Or maybe like you said they fixed it for next update or maintenance patch and are to busy to respond.

It's become a way of life now. Broken cloak is the new norm just like keep jumping. Maybe they will get around to fixing maybe not. The best we can do is keep hammering the issue. Look they still haven't addressed the run speed bug or the animation canceling glitchyness introduced in DB. Their hands are tied right now dealing with ce, developing new content, and crown store items. Bugs are not a priority.

thankyourat · June 2016

I've also been noticing that it's not granting my 100% crit chance on fully charge destro attacks. Is this happening to anyone else

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · June 2016

PTS Patch Notes v2.5.0 Bookmark

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3114246/#Comment_3114246

Nightblade

Shadow
Shadow Cloak: Fixed an issue where the invisibility granted by this ability and its morphs was being broken by certain cast time and charge abilities, such as Uppercut and Critical Charge.

Hopefully they have fixed it, @DDuke can you get on the PTS and check please sir when you have time..

DDuke · June 2016

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

PTS Patch Notes v2.5.0 Bookmark

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3114246/#Comment_3114246

Nightblade

Shadow
Shadow Cloak: Fixed an issue where the invisibility granted by this ability and its morphs was being broken by certain cast time and charge abilities, such as Uppercut and Critical Charge.

Hopefully they have fixed it, @DDuke can you get on the PTS and check please sir when you have time..

Yes, already on it.

Here's my PTS thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/275283/the-unofficial-cloak-thread

Any help I can get is appreciated.

Also, keep in mind that things function differently when there is latency (300ms~ for me as European), which may complicate the process.

altemriel · September 2016

ZOS???? Is this fixed already?????

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel

Xvorg · September 2016

DDuke wrote: »

So I decided to document all the bugs I could find in one hour on a video...

https://youtu.be/R60v2QGU8bE

https://youtu.be/JWfWxFz2QQg

Testing was done today (21.6.2016).

The cloak morph I was using is Shadowy Disguise (Rank 4)

I was wearing 5x Vicecanon 5x Viper 1x Blood Spawn 1x Kena & Maelstrom Bow on off bar, if any of this matters.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel

Hmmm, the only thing I can think about it is that you are "healing" your enemy through those skills... and healing others breaks cloak