Prison Server ESO - Banish the wicked here

mr1sho

Send them back to cold harbor and make the prisoners again while there everything is strip from them and they have a timer before they comebacktl to our realm want to really hit home make the standard for cheating 30 days like crafting lol

Makkir

Some of you missed the point. You dont change anything on the prison server and you cant send them back to the wailing prison. the point was having the three servers, NA. EU. and prison server. The last one is no different than the other two, just everyone there is perma banned from the other two. ZOS doesnt lose sunscribers that way and doesnt have to perma ban accounts (well, they might lose subscribers if those accts unsub). There was another benefit to not perma banning accts that I read over on the eq2 forums, but I cant recall precisely.

CJohnson81

Tbh, it would probably be a kick-ass, issue free server because of low population.

LegacyDM

Not only should they banished to the oblivion server but said server would not receive any performance updates. Thus they have to fight in a permenent lag fest.

Vonbone

How about this, when you get killed and re-spawn on the spot. That ghost form your in just before you come back to life. Cheaters and/or hackers get a 30 day, played time(720 hours), of this form as a debuff. Once you log off the timer stops. You get to run around everywhere. See everything but is unable do anything.

Abeille

Makkir wrote: »

Some of you missed the point. You dont change anything on the prison server and you cant send them back to the wailing prison. the point was having the three servers, NA. EU. and prison server. The last one is no different than the other two, just everyone there is perma banned from the other two. ZOS doesnt lose sunscribers that way and doesnt have to perma ban accounts (well, they might lose subscribers if those accts unsub). There was another benefit to not perma banning accts that I read over on the eq2 forums, but I cant recall precisely.

Besides, it is a waste of time to change anything on the prison server. They are cheaters. Any change that is aimed to annoy them in any way will be bypassed by them, because they will just cheat.

Makkir

@Gidorick add this to your concept thread pretty please with a cherry on top

Gidorick

Makkir wrote: »

@Gidorick add this to your concept thread pretty please with a cherry on top

Sorry mate, my Concept Repository only houses the concepts I have posted.

Perhaps you could start a repository of your own! I know @Kalifas has started one recently. I also think @TheShadowScout , @Enodoc and @tinythinker may have a thread like that as well.

It might not be a bad idea to link to eachother's threads...

Now, about this topic. IF they were to do this I think the rules for that prison server would have to be EXACTLY the same as ours. If ZOS did things like... remove wayshrines I'm afraid I'd want to play there instead.

How did the experiment in EverQuest workout?

Balamoor

I just don't think this is a good idea as people would intentionally cause issues to get sent to the bad boy/girl server.

I think hard consequences should be the order of the day.

You cheat and there is undeniable proof of cheating Account perma ban.
You harass others three strikes then Account perma ban.
You spend all your time disrupting the forums three strikes then Account perma ban. (ie you get banned on the forums, you get banned in game complete account wipe)


This is pretty much how Square Enix handles, it's I know because I have seen it happen, and they have one of the nicest communities out there.

Izaki

Makkir wrote: »

We could call it Oblivion!

Which plane ?

Ffastyl

Dark Souls II and Titanfall have done something similar called "soft bans." They are effectively the same as what EQ has done: players caught cheating and/or exploiting are relocated to a server exclusively for cheaters and exploiters. There they can no longer interact with the normal player base and this relocation (in Dark Souls II) is done quietly, without the offender's awareness.

This solution, to the general playerbase, is as effective as permanent bans. At the very least, it provides poetic justice, forcing cheaters to see why they ruin games.

Izaki

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

We could call it Oblivion!

Just send them back to the Wailing Prison newbie zone, disable waypoints and fast travel, and the portal out will only open after a set duration.

Let them spend eternity talking to Cadwell.

THIS ^

Silver_Strider

If there is a prison server, I demand for it to also have open world PvP.
METEOR SPAM IN MOURNHOLD

Knightpanther

Someone explain to me why cheaters should be allowed to play this game at all?
Sure have a prison server, float it off into oblivion and sink it with all those idiots on it.

Be safe

Ffastyl

@Knightpanther If cheaters are banned from the game, they can make a new account and start cheating again under a new name. If cheaters are exiled, they can continue to play and are less likely to create a new account.


To the rest after skimming: the most cost-efficient punishment I can see being imposed on the exile server is to artificially delay client-server communication. Latency. 200+ ping? Otherwise, do just leave it as a copy of the normal servers. These people either exploit or hack, so imposing arbitrary boundaries are moot. Having the fun sucked out of their experience by other cheaters doing everything to win will be demoralizing enough.

Shader_Shibes

So they would need to buy a separate server for this? If so, ain't gonna happen.

Kalifas

Balamoor wrote: »

I just don't think this is a good idea as people would intentionally cause issues to get sent to the bad boy/girl server.

I think hard consequences should be the order of the day.

You cheat and there is undeniable proof of cheating Account perma ban.
You harass others three strikes then Account perma ban.
You spend all your time disrupting the forums three strikes then Account perma ban. (ie you get banned on the forums, you get banned in game complete account wipe)


This is pretty much how Square Enix handles, it's I know because I have seen it happen, and they have one of the nicest communities out there.

Yeah Square Enix has pretty good community but that is because there games are so group focused. Especially FFXI since there is no cross server duty finder.

I know I saw a video of some guy running around zones shouting "Japanese onry" over and over to get on the prison server. Was kind of messed up since all gamers from different countries play on the same server in that game.

Balamoor

Ffastyl wrote: »

@Knightpanther If cheaters are banned from the game, they can make a new account and start cheating again under a new name. If cheaters are exiled, they can continue to play and are less likely to create a new account.

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Sure they can after giving ZoS more money for the game and starting ant point zero, they do it again banned again, at the cost of more money.

keep sticking their hand in the fire they will learn.

Ffastyl

Balamoor wrote: »

Ffastyl wrote: »

@Knightpanther If cheaters are banned from the game, they can make a new account and start cheating again under a new name. If cheaters are exiled, they can continue to play and are less likely to create a new account.

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Sure they can after giving ZoS more money for the game and starting ant point zero, they do it again banned again, at the cost of more money.

keep sticking their hand in the fire they will learn.

Some people have disposable income.

I personally prefer Blizzard's approach. Whatever they do, cheaters cannot even make a new account for Blizzard games -- it gets banned on creation or soon after. https://www.vg247.com/2016/06/03/overwatch-perma-bans-really-are-permanent/
The only thing cheaters have not tried to get back in is to build a new computer and get a new home.

Xylphan

Ffastyl wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Ffastyl wrote: »

@Knightpanther If cheaters are banned from the game, they can make a new account and start cheating again under a new name. If cheaters are exiled, they can continue to play and are less likely to create a new account.

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Sure they can after giving ZoS more money for the game and starting ant point zero, they do it again banned again, at the cost of more money.

keep sticking their hand in the fire they will learn.

Some people have disposable income.

I personally prefer Blizzard's approach. Whatever they do, cheaters cannot even make a new account for Blizzard games -- it gets banned on creation or soon after. https://www.vg247.com/2016/06/03/overwatch-perma-bans-really-are-permanent/
The only thing cheaters have not tried to get back in is to build a new computer and get a new home.

You don't mess with Blizzard. The don't just ban you. They black list you. The ban your card and flag your name. They make it very clear that not only do they not want you in their games, but they also don't want your business.

This is how cheaters and hackers should be handled. Zero tolerance.

NBrookus

Although the idea gives me warm and fuzzy feelings, I'd rather ZOS not sink time and resources into creating stuff for cheaters to do. I'd rather they spend their effort preventing, policing and permabanning.

TheShadowScout

Yeah, considering what setting up and maintaining a megaserver must cost... its not a viable idea.

Personally I think ZOS should just levy crown fines for offenses like that. Use a cheat program? Pay 5000 crowns before you are allowed to play ESO again. Caught cheating a second time? Pay yer fine to get unbanned. Maybe with an added fine for repeat offender.

That way, the powers that be profit from having to take disciplinary action, and the cheaters get hit where it -really- hurts - their wallet.

RoamingRiverElk

It sounds like a relatively good idea, but on the other hand it might encourage some people to cheat in order to get the transfer to the cheat server.

Also, if the cheaters were to have their separate server, I'd be kind of envious because there are many of us who have been wishing for a 1.5 server for a long time now.

Arato

Have open world PVP on the Oblivion server, and make the guards see all players on that server as fugitives from the law as well.

It'd be an interesting experiment to say the least.. would players intentionally cheat to get put in an environment with full PVP? Or would people avoid cheating to not face world PVP?

phairdon

Already is one, its named Cyrodiil! Oh wait, prison cell

Shaun98ca2

This is a great idea for anybody that thinks otherwise. ZOS continues to make money. The cheaters/Jaded do far less damage to the game/community.

If somebody WANTS to play on the cheaters server how is that a problem. You have to pay the monthly fee to continue playing. That's a win in my book.

Whats wrong with the cheaters having a playground? They have to pay for it.

Nova Sky

*foams at the mouth* DO IT, ZENI, DO IT!

Mettaricana

Add a dremora who chases all players around hitting them with lava whip every 12 secs interrupting lock picks door opens npc interactions also the dremora is immortal like guards and cannot be targeted.

Birdovic

But...we dont Even have working LIVE Servers, I doubt they can afford another one just for cheaters

Makkir

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

This is a great idea for anybody that thinks otherwise. ZOS continues to make money. The cheaters/Jaded do far less damage to the game/community.

If somebody WANTS to play on the cheaters server how is that a problem. You have to pay the monthly fee to continue playing. That's a win in my book.

Whats wrong with the cheaters having a playground? They have to pay for it.

Yep exactly. This guy gets it.
It's a win-win-win scenario