Prison Server ESO - Banish the wicked here

Makkir

I am hoping this stays constructive and on point, so I am asking the doomsday naysayers to please refrain from comments that could lead to a thread lock. And AlanG, I am sorry if this thread falls under your "break" category.

Has anyone personally had experience with EQ II's prison server? Articles here:
https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq2/index.php?threads/the-prison-server-experiment-drunder.562937/

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/we-did-hard-time-in-everquest-iis-prison-server

Would this be a cool idea for ESO? @ZOS_AlanG is something like this even possible for ZOS to implement? Basically it's a stand alone server where you banish players who have been investigated and determined to be cheating. On the upside, you avoid having to take the route of banning an account and the rest of us don't have to share a server with said person.

Robbmrp

It's been suggested previously and I think would work out great. If someone is caught cheating/exploiting don't ban them, move them to the cheat server so they can deal with like minded cheaters. Then those that play fair, receive fair play in return.

Makkir

We could call it Oblivion!

Volkodav

Heehee! I LOVE THIS IDEA! Oh,he-ll yeah!
Let the cheaters play with the cheaters!

RinaldoGandolphi

Great idea @Makkir

http://kotaku.com/titanfall-cheats-will-be-forced-to-play-with-other-che-1552321337

Respawn did something similiar with Titanfall, they simply banished all of them to their own server so they can play with others like them away from the rest of the game population. Now this is something i coulkd get behind!

Rohamad_Ali

Yes please

Makkir

I would make it even more damning.....like remove all the wayshrines on that server, and don't allow them to have inventory bags. Make it really Oblivion!!!!

Volkodav

Makkir wrote: »

I would make it even more damning.....like remove all the wayshrines on that server, and don't allow them to have inventory bags. Make it really Oblivion!!!!

This too.XD

Volkodav

Make it like Morrowind where you need a scroll to get around unless you walk.Make those scrolls something they have to hunt for and no merchants that sell them.
Let them have their initial inventory bags,but no upgrades or anything.
(Send them to the Ashlands.)

Vaoh

+1 Approved!

Throw them all on a cheater's version of Betnikh. Leave them there forever!

Robbmrp

Makkir wrote: »

I would make it even more damning.....like remove all the wayshrines on that server, and don't allow them to have inventory bags. Make it really Oblivion!!!!

Moving them to that server would be enough punishment.

They should also set limits on how long they must play without cheats/exploits in order to be transferred back to the normal ones. There should also be stricter consequences on returning players that cheat/exploit again. Say you get caught cheating and are moved to the cheat server. You are on a 30 day probation period. If you are still using the cheat/hacks then your probation doesn't start. Once they have met that time frame with no cheating they get moved back. If they do it again, then their probation is tripled to 90 days. Each time they come back and cheat/exploit the probation time is tripled to a max of 12 months. Once they've hit that mark, that account is permanently on that server with no going back. If they want off it, they have to buy a new game copy.

Something like this would take care of these issues easily and permanently. Until there are DIRE CONSEQUENCES for cheating, people will continue to do it.

Nifty2g

I recall something like this on GTA IV when I blew up peoples cars, I didn't like how Rockstar had that feature of being a badsport. Couldn't play with my friends made me want to stop playing altogether
Not sure if this would go down too well in an MMO honestly.

I'd rather ZOS bring back the 3 warning system and you get a ban, keep pushing it and you get a perma ban. Not sure if this system is still in place, but I really liked it. It made me stop making lore breaking Argonian names I guess

ZOS_CoriJ

ZOS_CoriJ wrote: »

We appreciate the attempt for a constructive approach to this topic and the respect toward the choice in moderation. However for now we would like to leave this subject closed. Despite better attempts threads so far have derailed and we would like to keep these topics closed until we can provide you all with further information. (It also isn't fair toward some of the constructive threads that've had to be closed thus far.)

It is a thoughtful thread however, so we would be fine in reopening it once we have reopened some of these threads in general.

We have decided that we are reopening this thread as proposed. As mentioned by the OP this thread is proposing solutions to exploits which we feel is separate enough from the direct discussion of exploits themselves to keep it's own post.

With that understood, if you would like to discuss exploiting in and of itself we would prefer and recommend replying not to this thread but to the master post on this discussion. (edit: This is also where you will find updates as we can provide them)

Carry on.

ShedsHisTail

Makkir wrote: »

We could call it Oblivion!

Just send them back to the Wailing Prison newbie zone, disable waypoints and fast travel, and the portal out will only open after a set duration.

Let them spend eternity talking to Cadwell.

TerraDewBerry

I like the idea of cheaters only being able to play with each other.. they don't deserve anything more than what they are.. cheaters. Also, it's been done before.. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/06/rockstar-condemns-max-payne-3-cheaters-to-play-only-against-each-other/

But I also I think it would be "justice" for those who break the rules.

Abeille

This is an interesting idea. Did it work on other MMOs that implemented it?

Silverado

Lol! Oh my goodness I can't stop laughing at the thought of a prison server for cheaters!!! I love the idea! Better yet give the cheaters community service tasks where they have to farm mats for the other servers lol! Heck yes! Prison server! Zos you should really consider this!

SwaminoNowlino

There are some games where the prison sever actually becomes popular and people request to go there!

Here's a nice article on CNN regarding Everquest and their implementation of this system. http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/21/technology/video-game-exile/

SantieClaws

Khajiit likes this idea as long as the guard of Wayrest do not have the power to send Khajiit there.

It is not the fault of this one that King Emeric casually leaves creepy toys, fruit, saucy books, handkerchiefs and old maps just right where Khajiit happened to be walking with her arms outstretched.

Yours with entirely innocent paws
Santie Claws

ShedsHisTail

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit likes this idea as long as the guard of Wayrest do not have the power to send Khajiit there.

It is not the fault of this one that King Emeric casually leaves creepy toys, fruit, saucy books, handkerchiefs and old maps just right where Khajiit happened to be walking with her arms outstretched.

Yours with entirely innocent paws
Santie Claws

I was actually really bummed when the justice system was implemented and Prison -wasn't- an option.
I think it was Morrowind where you could get thrown in prison. And it was just you, naked, with a single lock pick and you could try to break out and find the chest with all your gear in it along the way.

That was fun as hell.

Danksta

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

There are some games where the prison sever actually becomes popular and people request to go there!

Here's a nice article on CNN regarding Everquest and their implementation of this system. http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/21/technology/video-game-exile/

I could see that. I used to love killing known cheaters on a FPS game I used to play. Very gratifying! And then they'd call you a hacker!! Just awesome, one of the best feelings I ever got from playing a video game honestly.

Abeille

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

There are some games where the prison sever actually becomes popular and people request to go there!

Here's a nice article on CNN regarding Everquest and their implementation of this system. http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/21/technology/video-game-exile/

Very interesting!

Can we call it Cidhna Mine? Because no one escapes Cidhna Mine. No one.

TerraDewBerry

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit likes this idea as long as the guard of Wayrest do not have the power to send Khajiit there.

It is not the fault of this one that King Emeric casually leaves creepy toys, fruit, saucy books, handkerchiefs and old maps just right where Khajiit happened to be walking with her arms outstretched.

Yours with entirely innocent paws
Santie Claws

@SantieClaws I think as long as you don't cheat or exploit while "innocently" helping King Emeric gain a greater appreciation of the things he "used to have".. I believe you have nothing to fear.

Makkir

Abeille wrote: »

This is an interesting idea. Did it work on other MMOs that implemented it?

one of the links i posted is an article from a guy who played on a prison server and said it was punishment enough basically. he pretty much concluded that being absent from a community made his playtime a bad experience.

bryanhaas

Ahnastashia wrote: »

I like the idea of cheaters only being able to play with each other.. they don't deserve anything more than what they are.. cheaters. Also, it's been done before.. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/06/rockstar-condemns-max-payne-3-cheaters-to-play-only-against-each-other/

But I also I think it would be "justice" for those who break the rules.

Yeah I like this idea you get banished to a server with only other cheaters, you don't get to communicate with your guild members or any members in the real world. Maybe even make the sky look like cold harbor.

UrQuan

Makkir wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

This is an interesting idea. Did it work on other MMOs that implemented it?

one of the links i posted is an article from a guy who played on a prison server and said it was punishment enough basically. he pretty much concluded that being absent from a community made his playtime a bad experience.

Hmm, on that basis how about a punishment of excommunication. Nobody can see what you type in any chat (or hear you for consoles), you can't send mail to anyone or receive mail from anyone (automated mails would still come in from hirelings and stuff), you can't group with anyone, you can't trade with anyone, and you can't use guild banks or stores. You're still on the same server as everyone else, but you really can't do anything with them. You get to see/hear all of your friends in your guilds chatting but you can't join in. You can't do any group content. You're playing as if it was entirely a solo game, with all of the MMO aspects visible to you but out of reach.

Abeille

Makkir wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

This is an interesting idea. Did it work on other MMOs that implemented it?

one of the links i posted is an article from a guy who played on a prison server and said it was punishment enough basically. he pretty much concluded that being absent from a community made his playtime a bad experience.

Yeah, I imagined that it would work as a punishment, since it seems like it is a pretty bad experience for anyone being banned to the prison server. But what I wanted to know if it was actually keeping cheaters out of the main servers.

On that article, it says that people are afraid of being banned to the prison server, but also that some people just buy another account and recreate their characters on the main servers. I would like to know how it balances out.

BruhItsOver9000

Gta 5 had a similar thing, so yeah i think this is what the game needs right now and also not just cheaters but scamers.
They should only be put in for like 6 hours though.

Xylphan

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Gta 5 had a similar thing, so yeah i think this is what the game needs right now and also not just cheaters but scamers.
They should only be put in for like 6 hours though.

6 hours? Oh yeah, that'll definitely show them.

The prison server should be a PUNISHMENT, not something that you just say "Oh well, guess I'll go watch a movie till I'm back in the game."

As such I think it should be more than just a place to put them. I think they should be made to EARN there way back. As punishment they have to complete tasks. They don't gain any XP, skill points, etc. The rewards from said tasks don't go to the prisoner. Instead, they go into a prize pool the normal players can get through playing mini-games, special quests, etc. Or maybe a special set of vendors where you can buy "forged by prisoner" goods. The prisoner remains in Coldharbor or whatever realm they get banished to until they've completed all there tasks.

The worse the cheat/hack/exploit, the worse the punishment. You can easily create a punishment that is practically the equivalent of a permaban.

Now the choice is up to the cheater. They can either work off their debt to society and get their account reinstated to the normal realm. Or they can stay in the realm of the banished for eternity. Maybe with Cadwell singing "Red Diamond" on infinite loop. Either way, it's a win for the community.

I'm sure there are plenty of creative ways to make cheaters earn their way back into the game while providing services to the game community. If they leave, just as good.

Lokey0024

Makkir wrote: »

We could call it Oblivion!

TerraDewBerry

Xylphan wrote: »

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Gta 5 had a similar thing, so yeah i think this is what the game needs right now and also not just cheaters but scamers.
They should only be put in for like 6 hours though.

6 hours? Oh yeah, that'll definitely show them.

The prison server should be a PUNISHMENT, not something that you just say "Oh well, guess I'll go watch a movie till I'm back in the game."

As such I think it should be more than just a place to put them. I think they should be made to EARN there way back. As punishment they have to complete tasks. They don't gain any XP, skill points, etc. The rewards from said tasks don't go to the prisoner. Instead, they go into a prize pool the normal players can get through playing mini-games, special quests, etc. Or maybe a special set of vendors where you can buy "forged by prisoner" goods. The prisoner remains in Coldharbor or whatever realm they get banished to until they've completed all there tasks.

The worse the cheat/hack/exploit, the worse the punishment. You can easily create a punishment that is practically the equivalent of a permaban.

Now the choice is up to the cheater. They can either work off their debt to society and get their account reinstated to the normal realm. Or they can stay in the realm of the banished for eternity. Maybe with Cadwell singing "Red Diamond" on infinite loop. Either way, it's a win for the community.

I'm sure there are plenty of creative ways to make cheaters earn their way back into the game while providing services to the game community. If they leave, just as good.

I like the idea of them at least having some opportunity to work their way back at least once. If they cheat or exploit again, they are just permanently there. The way they would have to work their way back should be slow.. painful... and equal to the severity of what they did to get there.