Can we make jesus beam dodgerollable again yet/
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TrueGreenSmoker✭✭✭Nothing wrong with Mag Templar beam:) LOOL
They should recude the execution % and range. Horrible players who dont deserve the kill spamming it... Learn to play skillfully instead of pressing one button..
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✭✭✭✭TrueGreenSmoker wrote: »Nothing wrong with Mag Templar beam:) LOOL
They should recude the execution % and range. Horrible players who dont deserve the kill spamming it... Learn to play skillfully instead of pressing one button..
Please define skillful playing.0 -
SwaminoNowlino✭✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »TrueGreenSmoker wrote: »Nothing wrong with Mag Templar beam:) LOOL
They should recude the execution % and range. Horrible players who dont deserve the kill spamming it... Learn to play skillfully instead of pressing one button..
Please define skillful playing.
Roll dodge
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✭✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »TrueGreenSmoker wrote: »Nothing wrong with Mag Templar beam:) LOOL
They should recude the execution % and range. Horrible players who dont deserve the kill spamming it... Learn to play skillfully instead of pressing one button..
Please define skillful playing.SwaminoNowlino wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »TrueGreenSmoker wrote: »Nothing wrong with Mag Templar beam:) LOOL
They should recude the execution % and range. Horrible players who dont deserve the kill spamming it... Learn to play skillfully instead of pressing one button..
Please define skillful playing.
Roll dodge
Engaging one or multiple opponents while being able to stay alive via healing/defence, being able to sustain resources as well as successfully being about to kill people via clever use of skills such as setting up potention burst, using cc both offensively and defensively etc...
Not running around with a bunch of baddies, pressing 1 skill and waiting for some to damage a guy below 50% so you get a free kill.
Skillful = Actually playing a character properly making use of skills/resources effectively.
Not skillful = Using an obvious OP skill when outnumbered an opponent and zerging people down.PS4 EU DC
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✭If ZOS reverts the several nerfs to Radiant Desutrction over the last year, then go ahead and make it dodge able. Also remove the speed passive from bow.Edited by Justice31st on June 18, 2016 1:39AM"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »
And yet it's still strong now and you want them to reverse past balances to make it stronger?
L2P without OP broken skill.Edited by leepalmer95 on June 18, 2016 3:27AMPS4 EU DC
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✭Well I'm glad the discussion has at least shifted away from an insistence on using AoEs to counter roll dodgers in a 1v1. I remember I used to use AoEs back in the day to break NBs out of Cloak (back during the all too brief period where Cloak was actually viable).
That's right, Cloak was fine, Hardened Ward was fine with old duration, a bunch of stuff that has been nerfed in the past were fine as they were.
Please just stop the nerf train. At least slow it down and reconsider how strong dodge roll is right now. Do you really feel that you should be unkillable as long as you have enough stamina to dodge roll?PC NA
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Justice31st✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »
And yet it's still strong now and you want them to reverse past balances to make it stronger?
L2P without OP broken skill.
Every update for the last 2 years has been followed by a nerf RD. Yes, I am getting tired of seeing the same post. RD can be countered. If you want to be able to perma dodge roll an execute and leave a Templar only able to use two DPS skills sweeps or dark flare, then revert the the RD damage changes back to where they were but allow it too be dodge able. Or give magicka classes their own Magicka pool dodge roll.Edited by Justice31st on June 18, 2016 3:42AM"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »
And yet it's still strong now and you want them to reverse past balances to make it stronger?
L2P without OP broken skill.
Every update for the last 2 years has been followed by a nerf RD. Yes, I am getting tired of seeing the same post. RD can be countered. If you want to be able to perma dodge roll an execute and leave a Templar only able to use two DPS skills sweeps or dark flare, then revert the the RD damage changes back to where they were but allow it too be dodge able. Or give magicka classes their own Magicka pool dodge roll.
Every other class and build can kill people that dodge roll, every other class or build uses executes that can be dodged, you main dps skill goes through dodge, use aoe or burst someone down with an ult or something when their low hp like every other class does.
Why should templars basically ignore dodge roll and get an easy win button? Even if RD can be dodged it's still going the be the strongest execute in the game, double dip cp, long range, starts at 50%.
In pve i hit like 46k radiant ticks when a boss is low, i'd like so see another execute do the same.PS4 EU DC
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What's next after Jesus beam?
Rip PvP!
Nerfing RD will bring pvp back more, stop those full hp baddies spamming it. Thats basically what zergs do now or in group vs group fights, radiant then someone hits you then your dead gg.PS4 EU DC
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Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »
And yet it's still strong now and you want them to reverse past balances to make it stronger?
L2P without OP broken skill.
Every update for the last 2 years has been followed by a nerf RD. Yes, I am getting tired of seeing the same post. RD can be countered. If you want to be able to perma dodge roll an execute and leave a Templar only able to use two DPS skills sweeps or dark flare, then revert the the RD damage changes back to where they were but allow it too be dodge able. Or give magicka classes their own Magicka pool dodge roll.
Every other class and build can kill people that dodge roll, every other class or build uses executes that can be dodged, you main dps skill goes through dodge, use aoe or burst someone down with an ult or something when their low hp like every other class does.
Why should templars basically ignore dodge roll and get an easy win button? Even if RD can be dodged it's still going the be the strongest execute in the game, double dip cp, long range, starts at 50%.
In pve i hit like 46k radiant ticks when a boss is low, i'd like so see another execute do the same.
Do you know how much soul harvest and its morph cost compared to templar ultimate or all the ulimates cost?
Its super cheap and refills very quick as well hits like a truck!
Might as well increase the ultimate cost by 200, that is if ZOS decides to nerf RD to the ground.
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »
And yet it's still strong now and you want them to reverse past balances to make it stronger?
L2P without OP broken skill.
Every update for the last 2 years has been followed by a nerf RD. Yes, I am getting tired of seeing the same post. RD can be countered. If you want to be able to perma dodge roll an execute and leave a Templar only able to use two DPS skills sweeps or dark flare, then revert the the RD damage changes back to where they were but allow it too be dodge able. Or give magicka classes their own Magicka pool dodge roll.
Every other class and build can kill people that dodge roll, every other class or build uses executes that can be dodged, you main dps skill goes through dodge, use aoe or burst someone down with an ult or something when their low hp like every other class does.
Why should templars basically ignore dodge roll and get an easy win button? Even if RD can be dodged it's still going the be the strongest execute in the game, double dip cp, long range, starts at 50%.
In pve i hit like 46k radiant ticks when a boss is low, i'd like so see another execute do the same.
Do you know how much soul harvest and its morph cost compared to templar ultimate or all the ulimates cost?
Its super cheap and refills very quick as well hits like a truck!
Might as well increase the ultimate cost by 200, that is if ZOS decides to nerf RD to the ground.
Rip PvP!
^Even Sypher said Incapacitating Strike is OP."The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."1 -
Splattercat_83✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Still waiting for the balance, thanks.
Sure, as long as they nerf dodge rolling to pre DB.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »
And yet it's still strong now and you want them to reverse past balances to make it stronger?
L2P without OP broken skill.
Every update for the last 2 years has been followed by a nerf RD. Yes, I am getting tired of seeing the same post. RD can be countered. If you want to be able to perma dodge roll an execute and leave a Templar only able to use two DPS skills sweeps or dark flare, then revert the the RD damage changes back to where they were but allow it too be dodge able. Or give magicka classes their own Magicka pool dodge roll.
Every other class and build can kill people that dodge roll, every other class or build uses executes that can be dodged, you main dps skill goes through dodge, use aoe or burst someone down with an ult or something when their low hp like every other class does.
Why should templars basically ignore dodge roll and get an easy win button? Even if RD can be dodged it's still going the be the strongest execute in the game, double dip cp, long range, starts at 50%.
In pve i hit like 46k radiant ticks when a boss is low, i'd like so see another execute do the same.
Do you know how much soul harvest and its morph cost compared to templar ultimate or all the ulimates cost?
Its super cheap and refills very quick as well hits like a truck!
Might as well increase the ultimate cost by 200, that is if ZOS decides to nerf RD to the ground.
Rip PvP!
^Even Sypher said Incapacitating Strike is OP.
People complaining about the single target ult thats dodged a lot instead of the, aoe ult that does just a little bit less dmg, is aoe and therefore undodgeable, has a strong dot that immediately ticks for 2-3k after use, gives 3% wpn dmg (boosting it owns dmg), oh and ww and vamps take 20% more and considering a lot of characters are now vamps because it has few weaknesses...?
But hey if i combo it right and the person i hit actually knows how to gear for pvp i can maybe crit for 8k/9k single target with incap.leepalmer95 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »
And yet it's still strong now and you want them to reverse past balances to make it stronger?
L2P without OP broken skill.
Every update for the last 2 years has been followed by a nerf RD. Yes, I am getting tired of seeing the same post. RD can be countered. If you want to be able to perma dodge roll an execute and leave a Templar only able to use two DPS skills sweeps or dark flare, then revert the the RD damage changes back to where they were but allow it too be dodge able. Or give magicka classes their own Magicka pool dodge roll.
Every other class and build can kill people that dodge roll, every other class or build uses executes that can be dodged, you main dps skill goes through dodge, use aoe or burst someone down with an ult or something when their low hp like every other class does.
Why should templars basically ignore dodge roll and get an easy win button? Even if RD can be dodged it's still going the be the strongest execute in the game, double dip cp, long range, starts at 50%.
In pve i hit like 46k radiant ticks when a boss is low, i'd like so see another execute do the same.
Do you know how much soul harvest and its morph cost compared to templar ultimate or all the ulimates cost?
Its super cheap and refills very quick as well hits like a truck!
Might as well increase the ultimate cost by 200, that is if ZOS decides to nerf RD to the ground.
Rip PvP!
Yeah, soul harvest is 50, templar spear is 75.
Spear is an aoe with a dot attached? Sure incap is strong, but then again so it spear so much so that last patch stamina templars were using it over dawnbreaker.
I don't get this patch, people complaing about soul harvest hitting hard but it's single target and it's not like theres not been hard hitting ult's in the game. A wb to leap combo basically 100% killed someone. A fossilize meteor basically ends someone. A wb to spear killed someone. A sorc timing a curse/frag/dawnbreaker killed someone.
The majority of those skills being aoe, incap is the only single target one and because it does slightly more dmg than the aoe dawnbreaker (questionable if you count the first dot tick) people are crying over it.
Just spec for pvp and stack into impen, i'd also put more into hardy this patch as most people are stamina and if your still getting hit hard then spec more defensively, use 2x bloodspawn, put some points into physical armour cp, etc...
I've not been hit harder than 9k incap and that was against a high dmg nb will little sustain.PS4 EU DC
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✭✭✭✭✭You guys could just dodge roll backwards. Getting out of range cuts the beam off.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You guys could just dodge roll backwards. Getting out of range cuts the beam off.
You know this thread is literally been made because RD isn't dodge rollable right?
Also have you seen the range of RD? 28m + 8m + 4m, i'd run out of stamina or die before i could get 40m+ away.PS4 EU DC
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Talyena✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
In that case you could just interrupt the caster. If you are too far away to get close, get further away, if you are too close to get far away, get closer. Or use any of the many attacks that interrupt casters.2 -
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✭✭✭✭When is shuffle going to get the 6 second treatment? We all want a more active defense to promote skillful play right?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »I can range attack you with snipe while my buddies beat on you and you will be just as dead. FFS
To avoid your buddies attack i'd dodge roll, it would then avoid your snipes (who uses snipe...)
But with RD, nah.
Maybe you could, but most of the time you would be cc'd and very vulnerable to ranged attacks.
Sure you could break free but then you better have a truck load of stamina as the others wailing on you are going to kill you anyway. Your problem is with ranged attacks in general. Not to mention multiple players on you at the same time.
RD is just a convenient scapegoat for you as it is most visible.
I use focused aim by the way as many others do, I just used snipe as an example, combined with acid spray followed by RO very effective tools against ball groups behind the front melee line.
Must be working with all QQ!
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✭The OP, as a dodge rolling stam dude...i feel for you if I bring a stam player down to 25% health, then he starts dodge rolling away, I cast JB, and he's dead...thats it. Just dead, the channel time for dodge roll pretty much means that even if dude sees the beam, he going to get hit. I think the biggest problem is that templars like myself feel that it is the only thing I their toolkit to deal with dodge rollers...which...its true it is. I've even noticed recently that when I see a player with shuffle on, I imediatly start beaming...i don't even TRY to cast dark flare. So maybe shuffle is the problem, maybe if you made shuffle cost 25% less and made it last six seconds or four or whatever, I would be more inclined to try and deal with him like a shield stacker, that is toppling charge the *** out him to get his shuffle buff off. Then hit him more conventional abilities. OR nerf the dog *** out of dodge chance through shuffle.
. EITHER WAY I DONT THINK EITHER NERF TO DODGE CHANCE WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE IN THE MINDS OF THOSE WHO USE IT......therefore just stop complaining about it. I will say that my templar blazing shield spammer get twice as tanky just by activating this skill. It STUPID op for even health tanks1 -
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✭✭OP is a perma-rolling NB, I assume? You know: the ones that pop outta stealth in IC, fail to one-shot you, get a JB to the face, then vanish (to come on the forums and complain about JB). "He ruined my one-shot, waaaah!"
Stop the nerfs. In some ways, I'm glad that the development team are so tone-deaf to the abundant whiners on this forum.Edited by Peekachu99 on June 18, 2016 1:20PM1 -
Reapor✭✭✭Peekachu99 wrote: »OP is a perma-rolling NB, I assume? You know: the ones that pop outta stealth in IC, fail to one-shot you, get a JB to the face, then vanish (to come on the forums and complain about JB). "He ruined my one-shot, waaaah!"
Stop the nerfs. In some ways, I'm glad that the development team are so tone-deaf to the abundant whiners on this forum.
If u jesus beam me at 100% and i was trying to gank you, i would just blow ur ass up as i have meny other talented templars.Edited by Reapor on June 18, 2016 1:47PM0
