How to increase provisioning skillset?

Lysette

lordrichter wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

With provisioning ZOS did the overkill really - there are so many recipes, it is insane.

This is one of the great things about provisioning in this game. While the number of recipes seems insane, the variety is awesome. It makes me feel like I am doing something different from the rest of you, which is very rare in this game.

On NA, you can easily pick up green recipes for under 20 gold each, if you look. Never pass up a browse at a guild trader, especially the ones out in the middle of nowhere that you just come across. There is one in rural Stormhaven today that I see is selling over 100 green recipes for anywhere from 15 to 100 gold each.

Leveling provisioning is dead easy, if you want to legitimately shortcut the process. If you are in the right guild, sometimes an expert provisioner can tell you what recipes to use and how many of each food to make in order to level to 50 in a matter of minutes. Of course, you need all the materials and recipes, and the skill points, to get it done that fast. It is just a matter of knowing how much inspiration is obtained from crafting each food along with how many are needed for each skill tier.

I did not critize it, sorry - I find it awesome as well, but it is relative to other professions a really insane amount of recipes. My characters are all at least level 46 in provisioning, most have level 50. Maybe I should have used a better word than insane. Well, I guess alchemy is outnumbering it now with the new poisons and a variety of new ingredients.

I prefer to level "naturally", no grind, I do it, when I am in the mood for it or when I need food or beverages. So my progress is slow and I need more time for everything, but i have never the feeling, that it would be grinding - because it isn't.

SolarCat02

Lysette wrote: »

SolarCat02 wrote: »

I leveled NY provisioning early, but my method will still work for you.

1. Go to the starter town for your character, the one you end up in directly after the tutorial in Coldharbor.
2. Find a building with lots of crates. Doesn't matter if it will be stealing.
3. Raid that building and take everything! All ingredients, all recipes, armor, knickknacks, etc.
4. Learn all the recipes you find that you didn't have yet.
5. Cook everything you can, higher level recipes first.
6. Deconstruct the armor you have stolen.
7. Sell the things you cooked (that you don't want).
8. Go to outlaw refuge (loading screen to reset everything) and sell/launder the knickknacks.
9. Return and do it again.

For AD, this building was the bank (which also has cooking fires), so I would run an endless loop leveling my cooking, legerdemain, and armor crafting.

EDIT to add, the recipes scale to the level of the area, so you will need to be in the starter areas to find the lower level recipes.

Hm, and purple recipes in AD are then where - Grahtwood?

The first purple recipe my husband and I ever saw was in Grahtwoot, so that sounds about right? But I don't remember how low the purple recipes go.
The level you can use the recipe and the level of the mobs in the area should be similar.

SpAEkus

Lowest Purple recipes are Level 20. For the most part they "were" leveled to zone.

But with some of the DB material leveling for other crafts, I haven't done any recipe harvesting to confirm that recipes are still level zoned versus Character/Prov Skill leveled like others have changed to.

Looks like I still have some data gathering beyond the IP data I've already checked for DB.

Korah_Eaglecry

GreenhaloX wrote: »

So I found some good recipes to make that will increase health, stam and what not, but I haven't figure out how to get the XP needed to increase and get the skillset upgrades to unlock so I can make the purchase with my skill points. So for clothing and blacksmithing, for example, you just deconstruct loads of armors to increase your skill levels so you can purchase the upgrades for crafting. So for food/provisioning, what do you have to do? Do you have to eat poultry or small games that you find or steal? Seems there is not an option to deconstruct any meat or stuff you find.

1.) Find one of the numerous locations around Tamriel that are littered with provisioning materials and gather them all up. When I first started out my provisioner I took him to Hei-Halai in Shadowfen. Its an abandoned camp on a hillside to the west of Stormhold. Youll know youve found it when you come across Kagouti scavenging between broken carts and barrels. Theres also a cave up at the top of the hill that has even more supplies in it. I made a handful of trips to that spot when I first started out and it gave me more than enough to get a leg up on writs.

2.) Hirelings. The Hireling wont give you a lot but they do drop the occasional Bervez Juice and Frost Mirriam that its worth it. They also send about two 20 stack materials that eventually start to really pile up on you.

3.) Provisioning Writs - Go to the local Chef and Brewer and buy their recipes off of them. Those recipes can be found in the level appropriate writs. The Writs will give you Gold, XP, Crafting XP materials and more recipes. Do them daily, the nice thing about these is that once you start putting points into your skill line youll be able to make a meal and drink and not have to make it again for a few iterations of the writs.

4.) Take what you know and make a ton of food. Your provisioning will level extremely fast. I was able to level up in about 3 or 4 days of making the highest level and rarity recipes that I had. When I ran out of supplies I would run back to Hei - Halai and restock up.


Provisioning has got to be one of the easiest professions to level up on your own with no assistance. And before you know it youll have so many recipes you wont know what to do with it all.

SpAEkus

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

the highest level and rarity recipes that I had.

What do you mean by rarity?

Korah_Eaglecry

SpAEkus wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

the highest level and rarity recipes that I had.

What do you mean by rarity?

Blue and Purple recipes. Theres a quest line in Wrothgar to the north west of Orsinium that will give you three blue recipes and a gold one. Though the gold one will require Perfect Roe.

Nestor

SpAEkus wrote: »

Lowest Purple recipes are Level 20. For the most part they "were" leveled to zone.

But with some of the DB material leveling for other crafts, I haven't done any recipe harvesting to confirm that recipes are still level zoned versus Character/Prov Skill leveled like others have changed to.

Looks like I still have some data gathering beyond the IP data I've already checked for DB.

@SpAEkus

They are still leveled per zone. If you want to farm L1 Improvement Recipes, farm zone 1 and the starter islands on any of your characters. It would be very very bad to scale them to the character or the provisioning level. There would be no reliable way to farm the recipes if your trying to collect them all, or just have an example for each type at each level otherwise.

If they did scale them, then L1 to L5 Recipes would soon reach 6 figures in the Guild Stores

SpAEkus

@Nestor

Thanks for the update, that will save me some time. Yes, agree totally, turning all the crafts the way they did with Potency leveling is NOT what I want either.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

SpAEkus wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

the highest level and rarity recipes that I had.

What do you mean by rarity?

Blue and Purple recipes. Theres a quest line in Wrothgar to the north west of Orsinium that will give you three blue recipes and a gold one. Though the gold one will require Perfect Roe.

@Korah_Eaglecry

And that's what I was trying to change perception on above, there is no difference in IP return between Green Blue or Purple recipes.

If you luck into Blue or Purple recipes along the way, that is a bonus, but using extra mats just to level with them is a loss of mats that you might want to save unless you need that food or beverage at the time. But encouraging people to go and get them to level with is a waste of materials otherwise.

Korah_Eaglecry

SpAEkus wrote: »

@Nestor

Thanks for the update, that will save me some time.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

SpAEkus wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

the highest level and rarity recipes that I had.

What do you mean by rarity?

Blue and Purple recipes. Theres a quest line in Wrothgar to the north west of Orsinium that will give you three blue recipes and a gold one. Though the gold one will require Perfect Roe.

@Korah_Eaglecry

And that's what I was trying to change perception on above, there is no difference in IP return between Green Blue or Purple recipes.

If you luck into Blue or Purple recipes along the way, that is a bonus, but using extra mats just to level with them is a loss of mats that you might want to save unless you need that food or beverage at the time. But encouraging people to go and get them to level with is a waste of materials otherwise.

Please provide proof of this. My crafting jumped whenever I made these a lot more than when I was using the greens alone.

Nestor

You want to level Provisioning, make the highest level Green Recipes you can. Blues and Purples give the same inspiration except for the very first time you make a Blue or Purple, and get the associated Achievement.

SpAEkus

@Korah_Eaglecry

I already did a few hours ago as soon as I saw others saying they "remembered" getting more from Blue and Purple.

SpAEkus wrote: »

@Lysette , @xilfxlegion

Where are you seeing more IP for crafting Blue and Purple recipes. It hasn't been like that since I have been playing and it isn't that way as of a few minutes ago on Live DB.

I just ran my non-provisioning Alt to see if something has changed and it hasn't.

On L20 Character with L1 provisioning and 1/1 Quality/Improvement - IP shown from Lootdrop and Harven's XP Notify addons. ESO+ but no CP added.

L15 1/1 Green recipe Stuffed Grape Leaves - 4950 IP
L15 2/1 Blue recipe Pumpkin Corn Fritter - 4950 IP

L20 2/2 Green recipe Ginkgo Twist Tonic - 6600 IP
L20 2/2 Blue Recipe Dibella's Kiss - 6600 IP
L20 3/2 Purple Recipe Greef - 6600 IP

If you are actually getting different IP from Blue and Purple recipes please let us know which ones.

Unless some other data, the fastest Povisioning Leveling is still:

For Provisioning you only need 4 Green recipes, one each at L15-L25-L35-L45 (food/bev level made).
Just make 96/78/92/128 (87/70/84/115 if +PLUS subscribed) of each level.

And @Nestor ,

When I did that quick check earlier, I didn't see any bonus from getting the achievement unless missed it. I'll have to double check. I also haven't gotten any extra from learning new Potency runes when I was double checking the Enchantment IP data since DB and even when I did TG. Unless I missed it, it looks like the only pure bonus IP now is Intricate on armor and weapons (not including armor/weapon IP bonus from Quality Level)

Nestor

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Please provide proof of this. My crafting jumped whenever I made these a lot more than when I was using the greens alone.

@Korah_Eaglecry

It is only the Recipe Level that determines the Inspiration you receive. I have tested this at every level making a green or blue food or drink, and starting at L20, added in Purples. I did this all the way up to Vet15. You get the same inspiration no matter the improvement level, only the recipe level has an effect. I have two addons that show me how much Inspiration I am getting per crafting activity.

The only reason your provisioning may have gone up faster is you were making higher level Blues or Purples than the Greens you usually make.

Korah_Eaglecry

Nestor wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Please provide proof of this. My crafting jumped whenever I made these a lot more than when I was using the greens alone.

@Korah_Eaglecry

It is only the Recipe Level that determines the Inspiration you receive. I have tested this at every level making a green or blue food or drink, and starting at L20, added in Purples. I did this all the way up to Vet15. You get the same inspiration no matter the improvement level, only the recipe level has an effect. I have two addons that show me how much Inspiration I am getting per crafting activity.

The only reason your provisioning may have gone up faster is you were making higher level Blues or Purples than the Greens you usually make.

I just reconfirmed it with a character that I havent even really done any provisioning on. I tested with both level 10 Green and Blue, level 15 Green and Blue and level 20 Green and Blue. The Blue definitely gives you more XP.

SpAEkus

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Please provide proof of this. My crafting jumped whenever I made these a lot more than when I was using the greens alone.

@Korah_Eaglecry

It is only the Recipe Level that determines the Inspiration you receive. I have tested this at every level making a green or blue food or drink, and starting at L20, added in Purples. I did this all the way up to Vet15. You get the same inspiration no matter the improvement level, only the recipe level has an effect. I have two addons that show me how much Inspiration I am getting per crafting activity.

The only reason your provisioning may have gone up faster is you were making higher level Blues or Purples than the Greens you usually make.

I just reconfirmed it with a character that I havent even really done any provisioning on. I tested with both level 10 Green and Blue, level 15 Green and Blue and level 20 Green and Blue. The Blue definitely gives you more XP.

Screen shot so we can see what you are seeing because I just did the same thing and did not get your results.

And what are you using to check the IP given? I used two separate IP given addons but didn't look at the Skill Bar directly. The only way we should be getting different is if our addons aren't reflecting the Skill Bar properly.

Korah_Eaglecry

SpAEkus wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Please provide proof of this. My crafting jumped whenever I made these a lot more than when I was using the greens alone.

@Korah_Eaglecry

It is only the Recipe Level that determines the Inspiration you receive. I have tested this at every level making a green or blue food or drink, and starting at L20, added in Purples. I did this all the way up to Vet15. You get the same inspiration no matter the improvement level, only the recipe level has an effect. I have two addons that show me how much Inspiration I am getting per crafting activity.

The only reason your provisioning may have gone up faster is you were making higher level Blues or Purples than the Greens you usually make.

I just reconfirmed it with a character that I havent even really done any provisioning on. I tested with both level 10 Green and Blue, level 15 Green and Blue and level 20 Green and Blue. The Blue definitely gives you more XP.

Screen shot so we can see what you are seeing because I just did the same thing and did not get your results.

You cant possibly sit here and ask for screenshots when you have none yourself.

SpAEkus

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

SpAEkus wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Please provide proof of this. My crafting jumped whenever I made these a lot more than when I was using the greens alone.

@Korah_Eaglecry

It is only the Recipe Level that determines the Inspiration you receive. I have tested this at every level making a green or blue food or drink, and starting at L20, added in Purples. I did this all the way up to Vet15. You get the same inspiration no matter the improvement level, only the recipe level has an effect. I have two addons that show me how much Inspiration I am getting per crafting activity.

The only reason your provisioning may have gone up faster is you were making higher level Blues or Purples than the Greens you usually make.

I just reconfirmed it with a character that I havent even really done any provisioning on. I tested with both level 10 Green and Blue, level 15 Green and Blue and level 20 Green and Blue. The Blue definitely gives you more XP.

Screen shot so we can see what you are seeing because I just did the same thing and did not get your results.

You cant possibly sit here and ask for screenshots when you have none yourself.

Geez, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt strictly to agree that maybe we are seeing something different, and that's your only response.

Fine, I'll be back in a sec with mine, takes a minute to get them posted to my ISP Page.

SpAEkus

Okay, here is what I am seeing, if you are seeing something else then post it so we can determine what is going on so we can all get the same higher IP you are getting.

(For the Craft Pictures, if they don't Click-Enlarge, then Right Click-View Image and it will blow up so you can make out the numbers better, I couldn't get the Harvens XP Notify next to the Loot Drop)

Starting Prov Skill



First Craft - L20 2/2 Green recipe Ginkgo Twist Tonic - 6600 IP



First IP change



Second Craft - L20 2/2 Blue Recipe Dibella's Kiss - 6600 IP



Second IP change



Third Craft - L20 3/2 Purple Recipe Greef - 6600 IP



Third IP change



If you look at the IP change pictures and do the math, it is exactly 6600 IP from both the in-game and the addons.

Pomaikai

SpAEkus wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

the highest level and rarity recipes that I had.

What do you mean by rarity?

Some recipes are rarer than others. Green, blue, and purple ones. MM does more than tell you the gross average selling price over time. It also shows you the number of sales in a set period of time. 20 sales of a recipe in 80-200 days? That's a darned rare recipe and it can be priced EXTREMELY high. You ignore the MM's for those recipes.

Psyonico

GreenhaloX wrote: »

@Lysette, yes, but all my recipes I found are requiring recipe improvement 5 or 6. I have the meat and ingredients, but I can't cook any of the those, due to the higher requirements. I think I'm still at lvl 1 for provisioning. I had not figured before to put in any efforts towards provisioning until recently.

Sounds like you're starting it later in your level progression. Go to the first full world zone and find a "chef" they all sell basic recipes for that zones level range

SpAEkus

Pomaikai wrote: »

Some recipes are rarer than others. Green, blue, and purple ones. MM does more than tell you the gross average selling price over time. It also shows you the number of sales in a set period of time. 20 sales of a recipe in 80-200 days? That's a darned rare recipe and it can be priced EXTREMELY high. You ignore the MM's for those recipes.

Yes that's a given for pricing, but my visual results show that it doesn't have anything to do with IP return which is what is in contention.

If @Korah_Eaglecry is seeing different IP from crafting a "rarer" recipe then we all need to know that so we can properly inform players and especially crafters when they ask the question of IP returns or how to best level the craft.

Nestor

@SpAEkus

SpAEkus wrote: »

If @Korah_Eaglecry is seeing different IP from crafting a "rarer" recipe then we all need to know that so we can properly inform players and especially crafters when they ask the question of IP returns or how to best level the craft.

I make the food or drink from a rare recipe I find as a celebration, not all the time, but often enough. There is no difference in IP for recipes that have a low instance rate in the loot tables.

SpAEkus

@Nestor

And all my Prov Crafting supports that as well, so I really want to know what @Korah_Eaglecry is seeing to make him adamant that Blue and Purple are giving more IP. I post my results/tips on Reddit as well and will change them if he/she has found something new.

Nestor

SpAEkus wrote: »

When I did that quick check earlier, I didn't see any bonus from getting the achievement unless missed it. I'll have to double check. I also haven't gotten any extra from learning new Potency runes when I was double checking the Enchantment IP data since DB and even when I did TG. Unless I missed it, it looks like the only pure bonus IP now is Intricate on armor and weapons (not including armor/weapon IP bonus from Quality Level)

@SpAEkus

It has been a while since I popped the Blue and Purple Cherry on a character, but I have seen the extra Inspiration for the first time. In fact, it was because of this initially higher inspiration that I thought they gave more inspiration for any production. And, yes, I wasted a bunch of Frost Merriam making a bunch of purples thinking it was raising me faster. Thankfully, they were foods of a level I could use at the time, so it was not a complete waste.

As for Enchanting, I recently took a character from L45 to L48.5 just by making glyphs where I learned new potencies, essences and aspects. This character had never made any glyphs, just deconn'd their way to L45. I did this post DB as I did not have to shuffle runes around from my main enchanter who held them before Crafting Bags. Considering that most of the glyphs were made with Ta's and only 2 of them were CP140's, I had to be getting a huge inspiration amount for learning the new runes. Any glyphs I made that I already knew (I did two just to see the difference) barely moved the bar, in fact, if it had not briefly glowed, I would have thought I got nothing for the Inspiration.

I have another character I am preparing to do this on, he is currently L40 in Enchanting and has never made a glyph. This time I will screen shot the CLS window to show the Inspiration on each operation.

Lysette

i just wonder how many recipes there are in total - my characters are now all at provisioning level 50 and I just got the achievement for 100 learned recipes, but those are just green and blue ones and none of those has an improvement level higher than 1. So there should be plenty more out there still for me to discover. But about how many more?

SpAEkus

Latest UESP is showing this:

There are 486 recipes to be collected in total: 243 food recipes and 243 beverage recipes, including 234 Standard (Green) recipes, 198 Difficult (Blue) recipes, and 54 Complex (Purple) recipes.

That list includes the CP150 ones. Plus the Orzoga recipes.

Lysette

SpAEkus wrote: »

Latest UESP is showing this:

There are 486 recipes to be collected in total: 243 food recipes and 243 beverage recipes, including 234 Standard (Green) recipes, 198 Difficult (Blue) recipes, and 54 Complex (Purple) recipes.

That list includes the CP150 ones. Plus the Orzoga recipes.

Ok thank you, so I have just a bit over 20% of them - way to go. This is not a complain btw, I like the fact that there is so much ahead to be discovered.

GreenhaloX

JKorr wrote: »

Food and drink boosts your personal stats.

If you want weapon or spell damage and increased crit, you need alchemy.

http://tamrieljournal.com/list-of-useful-potions-and-alchemy-reagents-in-eso/

Now they've add poisons, so there are a lot of interesting things you can do....

Thank you for this. This is also what I am looking for. I will have to find more shards to get more skillpoints to get the higher level alchemy options. I'm almost tapped out with skillpoints for the provisioning upgrade venture. Oh, yes, but, this is very useful. I am just at awe at the many facets and technical mechanic of this game. This is definitely not a game to just dive into, hack and slash your way through to the end of the game. Also, definitely more stuff to consider and put together than in Skyrim.

GreenhaloX

Psyonico wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

@Lysette, yes, but all my recipes I found are requiring recipe improvement 5 or 6. I have the meat and ingredients, but I can't cook any of the those, due to the higher requirements. I think I'm still at lvl 1 for provisioning. I had not figured before to put in any efforts towards provisioning until recently.

Sounds like you're starting it later in your level progression. Go to the first full world zone and find a "chef" they all sell basic recipes for that zones level range

Oh yes, I've been in ESO for a couple months now and been V16 for about a month and a half of it. Since, I just been grinding hard to level up with CP. I didn't gave 2 looks on provisioning until recently. So, it seems I am a late bloomer on this provisioning.. and alchemy, since I am also looking to tackle that shortly in trying to increase my weapon damage.

.. and I broke the ice yesterday and cooked my first chicken breast which increase the health to 736 for 35 minutes. Wooo whooo! Not bad for a rookie. So, I've been murdering chickens left and right and stealing poultries to grind the cooking. I actually bought the recipe from a chef in Grathwood.

I also looted a barrel and found a purple recipe which will boost health, stam and majicka for about 4400 for 2 hours, but this is level 6 and quality 3 (I believe). So, I'm sure there are higher level purple and gold recipes that will tri-boost for higher stat. Can't wait to find those.

Thank you all for the awesome feedbacks, tips and discussion!