Does this game not have a colorblind mode?

Rohamad_Ali

Soon we'll have virtual reality and not the cheap kind from the 70s ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mypS7VfwZLI

Rune_Relic

NBrookus wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

I think there is high possibility for such a feature if you ask ZOS nicely.

People asked nicely back in the beta over two years ago, don't hold your breath.

A handful of people in a population of 1000s wont get a high priority.
Perhaps get a head count on people with visual impairment that could benefit fro this ?
It might be that ZOS considers the time spent vs players rewarded isnt viable.
/shrugs

Never realised it had been requested before.

8% of caucasian males have some form of colorblindness. It's not a handful of people.

Says nothing about how many of that 8% make up the population of ESO
Caucasian population != ESO population.

aubrey.baconb16_ESO

Rune_Relic wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

I think there is high possibility for such a feature if you ask ZOS nicely.

People asked nicely back in the beta over two years ago, don't hold your breath.

A handful of people in a population of 1000s wont get a high priority.
Perhaps get a head count on people with visual impairment that could benefit fro this ?
It might be that ZOS considers the time spent vs players rewarded isnt viable.
/shrugs

Never realised it had been requested before.

8% of caucasian males have some form of colorblindness. It's not a handful of people.

Says nothing about how many of that 8% make up the population of ESO
Caucasian population != ESO population.

Since I am also a colour blind ESO player it seems that the number of colour blind respondents to this thread is higher than 8%.

NBrookus

Rune_Relic wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

I think there is high possibility for such a feature if you ask ZOS nicely.

People asked nicely back in the beta over two years ago, don't hold your breath.

A handful of people in a population of 1000s wont get a high priority.
Perhaps get a head count on people with visual impairment that could benefit fro this ?
It might be that ZOS considers the time spent vs players rewarded isnt viable.
/shrugs

Never realised it had been requested before.

8% of caucasian males have some form of colorblindness. It's not a handful of people.

Says nothing about how many of that 8% make up the population of ESO
Caucasian population != ESO population.

This is true, but I didn't really want to get into a whole statistical breakdown of races and color blindness types when the point was that it isn't just some tiny fringe group, but potentially a large segment of their customers.

PrivateDolphin

Smileybones wrote: »

In 3 decades of gaming I have yet to witness a game implementing such a feature.

You clearly haven't played enough games, because most games have some sort of color blind mode, just like most games have subtitles

failkiwib16_ESO

Change the color settings on your computer, the game doesn't have an option for red-green colorblindness.

I have only met 1 guy who warned me that he was red/green colorblind, when we entered Darkshade Cavern lol I was his healer... but I suspect that I have minimum 3 members of my guild are also red-green colorblind, because they tend to stay in red circles and claim that they don't see them.

I really hope that they implement something for colorblind players in the future, because 20%+ males are colorblind in different degrees.

stevenbennett_ESO

I'm also red/green colorblind. Sometimes those red zones are a bit difficult to see, yes, and the difference between blue and purple items is almost imperceptible... but I'd have to say, overall, ESO does a much better job of handling this than most MMOs. I play regularly with another player who is almost totally color blind, and he does fairly well.

WoW, which was given above as an example of a game with a Colorblind mode, was actually almost unusable for me for certain classes in the early days, and some of the other user interfaces were really difficult, until someone came up with a Colorblind add-on to help. It took them over five years (from launch until Cataclysm was released...) before they finally integrated a Colorblind mode into the main client. (And, IMHO, didn't do as good a job as the old add-on did.)

So yes, I'd like to see some configuration for colorblind people, but it's not a major thing. It wouldn't take much - maybe a setting to shift the red outlines of those red circles into, say, a yellow or blue color - something with both a different hue and a significant contrast difference would do nicely.

Wreuntzylla

I hate to break it to you, but you colorblind people are in for a shock. Sometimes the game renders the red circles, sometimes it doesn't... So, you are probably safer assuming you are always standing in stupid.

You colorblind people already have better night vision, why so entitled??? Next one of you that plays a trick on me at camp is going to get the baseball bat. If I can see you....

Thrasher91604

I too am a bit red-green / protanomaly colorblind. Being able to change red targeting circles and danger zones to blue would help me a lot.

colorblind test here

Rohamad_Ali

Thrasher91604 wrote: »

I too am a bit red-green / protanomaly colorblind. Being able to change red targeting circles and danger zones to blue would help me a lot.

colorblind test here

Safe to invite to group

lmanteb16_ESO

Go to grayscale use saturation from your video driver if it help

Lonestryder

STRONG DEUTAN

I knew that already, through

ZOS_AlexTardif

Hi all,

Loving the topic and discussion in this thread. We're currently discussing how we could support different color blind modes in ESO for the future. For those of you who are indeed color blind, what kinds of support do you tend to prefer? Some have mentioned just changing telegraph colors, but there are other solutions that could be used to color-correct everything on screen to account for different color-blind conditions (Protanopia, Deuteranopia, Tritanopia). Also, which games have your favorite color-blind support?

Thanks everyone!

ginoboehm

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Hi all,

Loving the topic and discussion in this thread. We're currently discussing how we could support different color blind modes in ESO for the future. For those of you who are indeed color blind, what kinds of support do you tend to prefer? Some have mentioned just changing telegraph colors, but there are other solutions that could be used to color-correct everything on screen to account for different color-blind conditions (Protanopia, Deuteranopia, Tritanopia). Also, which games have your favorite color-blind support?

Thanks everyone!

great thanks for the support in that matter. have a look at witcher 3 as most things in that masterpiece colour blind mode is done right

Clerics1985

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Hi all,

Loving the topic and discussion in this thread. We're currently discussing how we could support different color blind modes in ESO for the future. For those of you who are indeed color blind, what kinds of support do you tend to prefer? Some have mentioned just changing telegraph colors, but there are other solutions that could be used to color-correct everything on screen to account for different color-blind conditions (Protanopia, Deuteranopia, Tritanopia). Also, which games have your favorite color-blind support?

Thanks everyone!

For me it could be as Simple as Being able to Change the Color code of the circles etc. it's Never been a big deal in Reality, "ever tried playing Eve online as a Red/Green color blind?" But it ensures there are Certain activities that I certainly cannot do.

susmitds

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Hi all,

Loving the topic and discussion in this thread. We're currently discussing how we could support different color blind modes in ESO for the future. For those of you who are indeed color blind, what kinds of support do you tend to prefer? Some have mentioned just changing telegraph colors, but there are other solutions that could be used to color-correct everything on screen to account for different color-blind conditions (Protanopia, Deuteranopia, Tritanopia). Also, which games have your favorite color-blind support?

Thanks everyone!

Well most of us, who are color blind, are color-blind to two particular colors(me included) and can't differentiate them from the two. It would be great to alternate color modes like the whole map/models going black and white and only the UI and ground indicators as well as the block/interrupt notices in color.

Rune_Relic

NBrookus wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

I think there is high possibility for such a feature if you ask ZOS nicely.

People asked nicely back in the beta over two years ago, don't hold your breath.

A handful of people in a population of 1000s wont get a high priority.
Perhaps get a head count on people with visual impairment that could benefit fro this ?
It might be that ZOS considers the time spent vs players rewarded isnt viable.
/shrugs

Never realised it had been requested before.

8% of caucasian males have some form of colorblindness. It's not a handful of people.

Says nothing about how many of that 8% make up the population of ESO
Caucasian population != ESO population.

This is true, but I didn't really want to get into a whole statistical breakdown of races and color blindness types when the point was that it isn't just some tiny fringe group, but potentially a large segment of their customers.

Yes... and I agree it could be.
Thats why I encouraged a head count in case ZOS thinks its not.

TrueNord47

Smileybones wrote: »

In 3 decades of gaming I have yet to witness a game implementing such a feature. Oh and OP, you are tagging a staff member that has retired to take care of her baby, so the canches of your request being fulfilled are actually vewwy low.

battlefield has been for years

FooWasHere

What an amazing turn of events!

Enodoc

@baratron Check this out, I seem to recall you have commented on colour blind options before.

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Maybe it's a stupid idea since I don't exactly know how colour blindness works

@lolo_01b16_ESO Check out http://www.colourblindawareness.org/colour-blindness/

One of the issues here is item quality colours, particularly purple and blue, which look the same under protan and deutan colour deficiencies, as well as yellow and white, which can sometimes be indistinguishable under any colour deficiency. A simple solution to this would be to add text to the tooltip like in the add-on Item Quality as Text.

For telegraphs and AoE circles, maybe the best solution would be to allow a number of colour selections in a dropdown; that way, people can choose what is best for them. There could be an overall "colour scheme" setting which has presets for each (much like how the Graphics Quality options have different presets for Textures and Shadows), but you would also be able to customise each individual telegraph (AoE Heals, AoE Damage, Cone Damage, etc) as well.

Brrrofski

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Hi all,

Loving the topic and discussion in this thread. We're currently discussing how we could support different color blind modes in ESO for the future. For those of you who are indeed color blind, what kinds of support do you tend to prefer? Some have mentioned just changing telegraph colors, but there are other solutions that could be used to color-correct everything on screen to account for different color-blind conditions (Protanopia, Deuteranopia, Tritanopia). Also, which games have your favorite color-blind support?

Thanks everyone!

For me, it's the red aoe marker. Either being able to change the colour or even better, give it a solid outline in a different colour. Maybe leave the aoe red, but a thick black/white outer line would probably work best.

If I can just change the aoe colour, it may clash with other stuff. Although blue or white would probably be the safer option here.

Cryptical

Vox wrote: »

I'm 100% blind and I play by smell

I bet you'd be a full-on wizard at those arcade-size pinball games. Have you tried any of those yet? Although you have to have supple wrists.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4AKbUm8GrbM

WhiteNoiseMaker

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Hi all,

Loving the topic and discussion in this thread. We're currently discussing how we could support different color blind modes in ESO for the future. For those of you who are indeed color blind, what kinds of support do you tend to prefer? Some have mentioned just changing telegraph colors, but there are other solutions that could be used to color-correct everything on screen to account for different color-blind conditions (Protanopia, Deuteranopia, Tritanopia). Also, which games have your favorite color-blind support?

Thanks everyone!

Hi Alex and thanks for responding to this thread!

It's difficult for me to say what kinds of support I'd prefer as I am somewhat ignorant of what the choices available through technology might be. Obvious and simple solutions might include a way to adjust color-templates for AOE's (both friendly and hostile); as well as perhaps adjusting contrast, outlines, and perhaps glow/fade?

Currently the only MMO that I played that seemed to address color-blindness directly was DCUO in regards to certain choice/puzzle-situations where they included sigils, symbols, and light patterns when color-coding was utilized. They also had a shadow-outline function that helped somewhat. I can't speak for many others as my range of modern MMO's is limited.

willymchilybily

Vox wrote: »

I'm 100% blind and I play by smell

@Vox ....you must have been dreading imperial city sewers

Shunravi

willymchilybily wrote: »

Vox wrote: »

I'm 100% blind and I play by smell

@Vox ....you must have been dreading imperial city sewers

Though I bet he's good at chasing trove scamps regardless....

ManDraKE

Battlefield series have color blind support, i don't know much about the topic but i think their implementation of colorblind is quite good for what i've read.

CasNation

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Hi all,

Loving the topic and discussion in this thread. We're currently discussing how we could support different color blind modes in ESO for the future. For those of you who are indeed color blind, what kinds of support do you tend to prefer? Some have mentioned just changing telegraph colors, but there are other solutions that could be used to color-correct everything on screen to account for different color-blind conditions (Protanopia, Deuteranopia, Tritanopia). Also, which games have your favorite color-blind support?

Thanks everyone!

Hi Alex, thanks for the reply! It is great you guys are looking at supporting a color blind mode. As a colorblind player, I have yet to find a game that does a perfect job of implementing a colorblind mode, simply because colorblindness is a spectrum and not a simple condition. It is very hard for non-colorblind folk to figure out what each individual sees.

To that end, the BEST solution I can think of is the ability to change the colors of telegraphs via a simple RGB color picker, like the one used for chat colors in the "Social" options tab. This allows each individual to select the best colors for them, and means that you don't have to establish multiple preset options for different kinds of color blindness. I don't know if this poses issues in terms of how the telegraphs are displayed, but I think this would be the best solution for everyone.

EDIT: Oh, and I almost forgot item quality! This is a tougher change since the item colors are actually written in the text in certain places. If you guys could add either a symbol or some text before the item description, that would be great...wouldn't have to mix up green and gold items anymore...

KenaPKK

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Hi all,

Loving the topic and discussion in this thread. We're currently discussing how we could support different color blind modes in ESO for the future. For those of you who are indeed color blind, what kinds of support do you tend to prefer? Some have mentioned just changing telegraph colors, but there are other solutions that could be used to color-correct everything on screen to account for different color-blind conditions (Protanopia, Deuteranopia, Tritanopia). Also, which games have your favorite color-blind support?

Thanks everyone!

You're awesome. Thank you sir.

Animus-ESO

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Hi all,

Loving the topic and discussion in this thread. We're currently discussing how we could support different color blind modes in ESO for the future. For those of you who are indeed color blind, what kinds of support do you tend to prefer? Some have mentioned just changing telegraph colors, but there are other solutions that could be used to color-correct everything on screen to account for different color-blind conditions (Protanopia, Deuteranopia, Tritanopia). Also, which games have your favorite color-blind support?

Thanks everyone!

Hello! I am so glad to get a real response from a DEV. I am the man that my guild leader mentioned. I have a very easy and positive suggestion on your color blind setting that could make this very painless to add into the game.

In the game Battle Field 4, they had a setting where you could adjust the color of your optics. Being red green color blind, using a red optic is very difficult for me because the color simply blends in to everything for me. What battle field did to fix this issue also benefited the general population by adding more customization to the players UI.

Under your game options you need to add a section for AOE telegraph, then add 4 Sliders to be able to adjust intensity/red/blue/green. It would solve all the problems for us color blind people with out having to add complex options for the various different types of color blindness.


What it should look like:

---

WARNING COLOR

---

Intensity: |_____|____________|
Red: |__________|___|
Blue: |_____|________|
Green: |________|_____|
___________________________________________________
^^^^^^^^^^
Not only would this solve the color blindness issue, it would add more customization to the general public.
If you are up to it you can can even do this for the targeting hue.

Animus-ESO

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Hi all,

Loving the topic and discussion in this thread. We're currently discussing how we could support different color blind modes in ESO for the future. For those of you who are indeed color blind, what kinds of support do you tend to prefer? Some have mentioned just changing telegraph colors, but there are other solutions that could be used to color-correct everything on screen to account for different color-blind conditions (Protanopia, Deuteranopia, Tritanopia). Also, which games have your favorite color-blind support?

Thanks everyone!

Hello! I am so glad to get a real response from a DEV. I am the man that my guild leader mentioned. I have a very easy and positive suggestion on your color blind setting that could make this very painless to add into the game.

In the game Battle Field 4, they had a setting where you could adjust the color of your optics. Being red green color blind, using a red optic is very difficult for me because the color simply blends in to everything for me. What battle field did to fix this issue also benefited the general population by adding more customization to the players UI.

Under your game options you need to add a section for AOE telegraph, then add 4 Sliders to be able to adjust intensity/red/blue/green. It would solve all the problems for us color blind people with out having to add complex options for the various different types of color blindness.


What it should look like:

---

WARNING COLOR

---

Intensity: |_____|____________|
Red: |__________|___|
Blue: |_____|________|
Green: |________|_____|
___________________________________________________
^^^^^^^^^^
Not only would this solve the color blindness issue, it would add more customization to the general public.
If you are up to it you can can even do this for the targeting hue.