What is the function of a nightblade in PVE end game ??

chongguang

I know NBs are very strong in PVP and even are arguably the strongest one, but when things move to pve , what can nb do ?
My main is NB and i fear to continue play it in pve after i compared to other class,

DPS: NBs are nothing when facing poison dragons and stamplars , go to check eso leaderborads you will find how dks and templars are welcomed in MoL.

Healer: Templar and Sorcerer are better than NBs especially after sorcerers get huge buffed for pets healing, yeah you may say sorcerers pet build are not viable in trials. However according to my experience summoners can heal much better than NB in 4 player dungeons... and sorcerer is still the strongest vMA cleaner even after shields nerf.

Tank: Since they nerf SA to the ground , i cant see any reason to use NB as a tank..

So whats the main function of NB or role for NB to be in end pve game ?
Is this class only good for PVP right now ????

Tryxus

Veil of Blades

khele23eb17_ESO

Its just too darn hard to do some math and balance class dps so that theyre within 10% of each other.

/s

KingYogi415

Magicka nightblade is the most fun tanks in the game, while putting out huge dps.
Nightblades are the best class for both the latest dlcs.
Hardest class to play=Most rewarding.
Make a templar!

FrostFallFox

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Magicka nightblade is the most fun tanks in the game, while putting out huge dps.
Nightblades are the best class for both the latest dlcs.
Hardest class to play=Most rewarding.
Make a templar!

Bruh, magicka nightblade is hella fun but it's easy mode tbh.

susmitds

Magicka Nightblade is also one of the best in PvE.

I think you are talking about stamina nightblades, who are well one on the weakest in PvE, while being one of the best in PvP.

alkodav

as for me, magic nb can get a lot of dps really easer than dk or templar, so you are wellcome for hi-end pve.. also vMSA is easy with magic nb.. Also it's really good in pvp
As for stamina.. i think such nb good in pvp and for TG and DB quests)

ultimately all depends on you hands)

HawkStan

As a main nightblade and mostly pve player i can say nb's are nowhere near weak.
Magica nb's can pull very very high aoe and decent single target, whilst offhealing an amazing amount.
Stamina nb's are very hard to play but once mastered amongst the highest single target in the game.
Sap tanks are a lot of fun, and whilst i still have to try mine in trials he has no problems with tanking any dungeon whilst pulling good dps, offhealing and sustaining himself 100%.
I can switch my magica nb to healer with the change of a few ability's and heal any group dungeon, while basicly being a 3rd dps.

I once chose to go nb only in this game, and still dont regret that decision.

Brrrofski

Magica NB pulls great dps in dungeons.

Sap tanks are a lot of fun too. Really self sufficient. I can tank every dungeon without a healer on mine. Also do a decent amount of damage. Even managed to two man the quad boss stage in prison.

Silver_Strider

Magic NBs are great for end game.
They have great damage and can offer up off heals thru Funnel Health/Sap Essence/Refreshing Path.

Stamina NBs...not so much.
Major fracture is already available because of tanks so surprise attack doesn't help much and apart from Veil of Blades, Stamblades don't offer any group support whatsoever. At this point, I don't even bother worrying about my DPS and just throw on Powerful Assault and Hircine to help out the team more. The slight loss to my DPS is more than made up for by the extra DPS I provide thru Powerful Assault and no one really complains that they have a little extra stamina regen for running thru trials or getting a few extra dodge roll to avoid mechanics. Anything to make myself useful as it sure as s*** isn't my DPS getting us thru trials as quickly as we do.

RoyJade

Magicka NB have a good pve dps, like nearly everyone said. But they also have a good natural group hps, making them one of the few "hybrid" role on the mge (DPS + heal). We often use them in dungeon (dwo magNB dps = no healer needed) and in raid (against the Serpent image during the mantikora's fight in order to have 3 dps and one tank, or just in order to have only 2 dedicated healer for the team).

No, really, magNB is probably one of the best pve class by far.
And stamNB, even if he nearly got the sorc curse (weapon skill everywhere) can be good too. Not the best (and not in the top), but enough.

The only class who really have trouble in end game pve actually is magsorc. Stamsorc lack of identity but are good, DK are strong, so are templar (stamplar aren't the best though) and NB can do great things.

Volkodav

susmitds wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade is also one of the best in PvE.

I think you are talking about stamina nightblades, who are well one on the weakest in PvE, while being one of the best in PvP.

I have mostly all Stamblades and none of them are near weak.This is in PvE. I had problems with my DK though,that took me forever to get to vet 4.
I got one of my Stamina Nightblades to V6 within a very short time.No problems.

Fischblut

My stam and mag NBs are good at PvE, but they are glass canon trash at PvP... I think it's just me as player being lame at PvP, but still, I like my NBs in PvE.

Azurya

my MagNB does very well, no problems there.

BUT my StambasedNB is a little problem. I have a really good build, but it is still not competitive with other DPS classes (like my StamSorc), so for the world it is nice, for PvE-raids not and for PVP, it is okay but not on top.

The problem with Zeni is, that they always feel that they have to be creativ, and changes classes all the time.
I think it is false to do such major nerfing things at any classes, cause people are getting tyred changing your build 4 times a year!
After 1.6 I alomst stopped playing, cauze due to the changes, it wasn´t no more fun anymore.
Then, with some friends we got on top again, but ever since you have to do 4 times a year to whole circus again, and this costs to much gametime imho.

khele23eb17_ESO

Volkodav wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade is also one of the best in PvE.

I think you are talking about stamina nightblades, who are well one on the weakest in PvE, while being one of the best in PvP.

I have mostly all Stamblades and none of them are near weak.This is in PvE. I had problems with my DK though,that took me forever to get to vet 4.
I got one of my Stamina Nightblades to V6 within a very short time.No problems.

When someone is saying 'weak in PvE' they dont mean leveling content. They mean max level vet dungeons and trials. In this case it means stamblade dps is seriously lacking compared to other classes.

Volkodav

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade is also one of the best in PvE.

I think you are talking about stamina nightblades, who are well one on the weakest in PvE, while being one of the best in PvP.

I have mostly all Stamblades and none of them are near weak.This is in PvE. I had problems with my DK though,that took me forever to get to vet 4.
I got one of my Stamina Nightblades to V6 within a very short time.No problems.

When someone is saying 'weak in PvE' they dont mean leveling content. They mean max level vet dungeons and trials. In this case it means stamblade dps is seriously lacking compared to other classes.

I'm not that dumb. XD
I didnt say that you meant leveling.I merely mentioned my levels. I just dont believe that Stamina Nightblades are seriously lacking compared to other classes.I have tried DKs,Sorcs,and NBs and found NBs to be the easiest to play,and fastest to level.I can run dungeons nicely,take down bosses,and even a few World bosses as well.No problem.
I think this is just your opinion of them.I havent seen much to defend your statement.

LegacyDM

Guess you've never seen a sap essence NB in pve. I can dps, heal, and tank all in one. It's the most versatile class in pve.

d8rmir

chongguang wrote: »

DPS: NBs are nothing when facing poison dragons and stamplars , go to check eso leaderborads you will find how dks and templars are welcomed in MoL.

Checked. No poison dragons, no stamplars, but two magicka NB in the top team!

Brrrofski

Volkodav wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade is also one of the best in PvE.

I think you are talking about stamina nightblades, who are well one on the weakest in PvE, while being one of the best in PvP.

I have mostly all Stamblades and none of them are near weak.This is in PvE. I had problems with my DK though,that took me forever to get to vet 4.
I got one of my Stamina Nightblades to V6 within a very short time.No problems.

When someone is saying 'weak in PvE' they dont mean leveling content. They mean max level vet dungeons and trials. In this case it means stamblade dps is seriously lacking compared to other classes.

I'm not that dumb. XD
I didnt say that you meant leveling.I merely mentioned my levels. I just dont believe that Stamina Nightblades are seriously lacking compared to other classes.I have tried DKs,Sorcs,and NBs and found NBs to be the easiest to play,and fastest to level.I can run dungeons nicely,take down bosses,and even a few World bosses as well.No problem.
I think this is just your opinion of them.I havent seen much to defend your statement.

Nobody means that stuff by pve.

They mean endgame, in a trial as a dps role. Stam nb do like the lowest damage. Think stam sorc even hits higher now.

It's not his opinion, it's numbers.

Volkodav

Brrrofski wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade is also one of the best in PvE.

I think you are talking about stamina nightblades, who are well one on the weakest in PvE, while being one of the best in PvP.

I have mostly all Stamblades and none of them are near weak.This is in PvE. I had problems with my DK though,that took me forever to get to vet 4.
I got one of my Stamina Nightblades to V6 within a very short time.No problems.

When someone is saying 'weak in PvE' they dont mean leveling content. They mean max level vet dungeons and trials. In this case it means stamblade dps is seriously lacking compared to other classes.

I'm not that dumb. XD
I didnt say that you meant leveling.I merely mentioned my levels. I just dont believe that Stamina Nightblades are seriously lacking compared to other classes.I have tried DKs,Sorcs,and NBs and found NBs to be the easiest to play,and fastest to level.I can run dungeons nicely,take down bosses,and even a few World bosses as well.No problem.
I think this is just your opinion of them.I havent seen much to defend your statement.

Nobody means that stuff by pve.

They mean endgame, in a trial as a dps role. Stam nb do like the lowest damage. Think stam sorc even hits higher now.

It's not his opinion, it's numbers.

Well,then they should have stated this.To just say "in PvE",..what else does one expect people to think?

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

There should not be a best class.
I've been modding/progging for a few games, mainly balancing, and if you have a tiny bit of brain, it's beyond simple...
I cannot get the fact this is such a mess here in ESO.

Volkodav

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

There should not be a best class.
I've been modding/progging for a few games, mainly balancing, and if you have a tiny bit of brain, it's beyond simple...
I cannot get the fact this is such a mess here in ESO.

I dont know that one class is better than another.I think it is how you decide to use it whether it is better for trials,and Endgame stuff.Each one has its strong points and its weaknesses.
Also,peoples opinions will always differ on this subject.

Brrrofski

Some classes are flat out better than others in trials. Simply because of class specific skills passives.

Brrrofski

Volkodav wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade is also one of the best in PvE.

I think you are talking about stamina nightblades, who are well one on the weakest in PvE, while being one of the best in PvP.

I have mostly all Stamblades and none of them are near weak.This is in PvE. I had problems with my DK though,that took me forever to get to vet 4.
I got one of my Stamina Nightblades to V6 within a very short time.No problems.

When someone is saying 'weak in PvE' they dont mean leveling content. They mean max level vet dungeons and trials. In this case it means stamblade dps is seriously lacking compared to other classes.

I'm not that dumb. XD
I didnt say that you meant leveling.I merely mentioned my levels. I just dont believe that Stamina Nightblades are seriously lacking compared to other classes.I have tried DKs,Sorcs,and NBs and found NBs to be the easiest to play,and fastest to level.I can run dungeons nicely,take down bosses,and even a few World bosses as well.No problem.
I think this is just your opinion of them.I havent seen much to defend your statement.

Nobody means that stuff by pve.

They mean endgame, in a trial as a dps role. Stam nb do like the lowest damage. Think stam sorc even hits higher now.

It's not his opinion, it's numbers.

Well,then they should have stated this.To just say "in PvE",..what else does one expect people to think?

Well everyone knows what it means. End game dungeons/trials.

Volkodav

Brrrofski wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade is also one of the best in PvE.

I think you are talking about stamina nightblades, who are well one on the weakest in PvE, while being one of the best in PvP.

I have mostly all Stamblades and none of them are near weak.This is in PvE. I had problems with my DK though,that took me forever to get to vet 4.
I got one of my Stamina Nightblades to V6 within a very short time.No problems.

When someone is saying 'weak in PvE' they dont mean leveling content. They mean max level vet dungeons and trials. In this case it means stamblade dps is seriously lacking compared to other classes.

I'm not that dumb. XD
I didnt say that you meant leveling.I merely mentioned my levels. I just dont believe that Stamina Nightblades are seriously lacking compared to other classes.I have tried DKs,Sorcs,and NBs and found NBs to be the easiest to play,and fastest to level.I can run dungeons nicely,take down bosses,and even a few World bosses as well.No problem.
I think this is just your opinion of them.I havent seen much to defend your statement.

Nobody means that stuff by pve.

They mean endgame, in a trial as a dps role. Stam nb do like the lowest damage. Think stam sorc even hits higher now.

It's not his opinion, it's numbers.

Well,then they should have stated this.To just say "in PvE",..what else does one expect people to think?

Well everyone knows what it means. End game dungeons/trials.

Is your name 'everyone"? If it isnt then dont speak for those who dont know you are doing so. I am sure not "everyone"knows what it means.Some people dont even speak your special form of code.Endgame to me is once I have done all the quests and content.NOT trials,arenas and PvP. A lot of people think that way,buy many dont.
Sorry,but thats how I feel.

TheUrbanWizard

I'll stick with my end-level stam nb. I use a few magicka skills as well which are useful to dip into, and it works just fine (in PvE anyways)

khele23eb17_ESO

Volkodav wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade is also one of the best in PvE.

I think you are talking about stamina nightblades, who are well one on the weakest in PvE, while being one of the best in PvP.

I have mostly all Stamblades and none of them are near weak.This is in PvE. I had problems with my DK though,that took me forever to get to vet 4.
I got one of my Stamina Nightblades to V6 within a very short time.No problems.

When someone is saying 'weak in PvE' they dont mean leveling content. They mean max level vet dungeons and trials. In this case it means stamblade dps is seriously lacking compared to other classes.

I'm not that dumb. XD
I didnt say that you meant leveling.I merely mentioned my levels. I just dont believe that Stamina Nightblades are seriously lacking compared to other classes.I have tried DKs,Sorcs,and NBs and found NBs to be the easiest to play,and fastest to level.I can run dungeons nicely,take down bosses,and even a few World bosses as well.No problem.
I think this is just your opinion of them.I havent seen much to defend your statement.

Nobody means that stuff by pve.

They mean endgame, in a trial as a dps role. Stam nb do like the lowest damage. Think stam sorc even hits higher now.

It's not his opinion, it's numbers.

Well,then they should have stated this.To just say "in PvE",..what else does one expect people to think?

Well everyone knows what it means. End game dungeons/trials.

Is your name 'everyone"? If it isnt then dont speak for those who dont know you are doing so. I am sure not "everyone"knows what it means.Some people dont even speak your special form of code.Endgame to me is once I have done all the quests and content.NOT trials,arenas and PvP. A lot of people think that way,buy many dont.
Sorry,but thats how I feel.

Thats just arguing of semantics. The point should be that stamblade dps needs some attention from the devs.

Shader_Shibes

Magicka NB is easiest role to play imo. Stam NB is tricky, but if i nail my rotation i can get around 25k dps.

khele23eb17_ESO

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Magicka NB is easiest role to play imo. Stam NB is tricky, but if i nail my rotation i can get around 25k dps.

25k? Now ask a stamDK or a stamplar how much they get with the right rotation.

Tryxus

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Magicka NB is easiest role to play imo. Stam NB is tricky, but if i nail my rotation i can get around 25k dps.

25k? Now ask a stamDK or a stamplar how much they get with the right rotation.

Prob twice that

Strider_Roshin

It's difficult to guess the order of potency but I know this: Stam DK is the best for PvP and PvE now.