ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Just a quick update for everyone regarding the recent influx of those using third party tools to cheat in ESO. We've adjusted our automatic anti-cheat systems to focus specifically on the cheats we've seen in the last few days, in addition to launching investigations on specific players. We've permanently banned 43 players in the last 24 hours who were found to be cheating. We don't take cheating lightly, and will continue to ban those who are found to be cheating. We'll be going back through game logs to identify players who were violating our anti-cheating policies in the hours before we performed the automatic cheat detection adjustment.
In addition, we're working on a number of fixes and improvements to prevent this kind of behavior from happening in ESO in the future. We'll provide more specific details about this tomorrow.
We want to thank everyone who has helped us identify those who would ruin your game experience by cheating, and the means by which they were doing so.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: ». We've permanently banned 43 players in the last 24 hours who were found to be cheating. We don't take cheating lightly, and will continue to ban those who are found to be cheating. We'll be going back through game logs to identify players who were violating our anti-cheating policies in the hours before we performed the automatic cheat detection adjustment.
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HoloYoitsu wrote: »It's called the forums.Dan_Fazzyub17_ESO wrote: »Wait...ESO had an anti-cheat system? Wut.
Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Just a quick update for everyone regarding the recent influx of those using third party tools to cheat in ESO. We've adjusted our automatic anti-cheat systems to focus specifically on the cheats we've seen in the last few days, in addition to launching investigations on specific players. We've permanently banned 43 players in the last 24 hours who were found to be cheating. We don't take cheating lightly, and will continue to ban those who are found to be cheating. We'll be going back through game logs to identify players who were violating our anti-cheating policies in the hours before we performed the automatic cheat detection adjustment.
In addition, we're working on a number of fixes and improvements to prevent this kind of behavior from happening in ESO in the future. We'll provide more specific details about this tomorrow.
We want to thank everyone who has helped us identify those who would ruin your game experience by cheating, and the means by which they were doing so.
OK they didn't die but they gave up a game they cared about to fix this crap.You guys are cheering because they were banned but not the people who been cheating using this software for years.Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
"martyr
noun
plural noun: martyrs
1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"the first Christian martyr""
Really? xD Stop talking about them as if they died valliantly for some greater cause x)
OK they didn't die but they gave up a game they cared about to fix this crap.You guys are cheering because they were banned but not the people who been cheating using this software for years.Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
"martyr
noun
plural noun: martyrs
1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"the first Christian martyr""
Really? xD Stop talking about them as if they died valliantly for some greater cause x)
OK they didn't die but they gave up a game they cared about to fix this crap.You guys are cheering because they were banned but not the people who been cheating using this software for years.Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
"martyr
noun
plural noun: martyrs
1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"the first Christian martyr""
Really? xD Stop talking about them as if they died valliantly for some greater cause x)
Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
Force-Siphon wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »Force-Siphon wrote: »most people don't take vMA scores seriously because players will do account-share runs for real money. I assume anyone at the top of the leaderboard does this for others tbh. Some ego's were hurt we get it, let's stop acting like pve players are holier than thou, there is stuff that happens on that side of the track too just saying. As long as someone can account share a run I'm not taking anyone seriously with maelstrom.
Really sad that you're speaking out in support of individuals who used the cheat. -_-
There are players who work hard in every aspect of the game, and they are being directly hurt by this.
lol bee I'm not speaking out in support of anyone I'm pointing out that the vMA leaderboards aren't taken seriously as long as people are account sharing which we all know is happening. I also highly doubt there is a way to prove what did or didn't happen in this persons run and the leaderboards are getting wiped on Tuesday for DB anyway from what I heard. I'm not defending anyone I'm pointing out that the game has so many issues that make this almost impossible to deal with unless it's something like the potato Zerg lord who is on vid meteoring Mage guards or that other EP who went straight telvanni Mage in another vid that was posted. These are easy cases to deal with, they clearly didn't have any way of knowing when people were using cheat engine or it wouldn't have been so widespread.
I get that people are upset because their score was jumped by someone who everyone feels cheated...im upset about having to tank 40000 meteors the other night, but ZOS won't do anything about it anyway. the main EP player who was using cheat engine in cyrodiil already got a temp ban earlier in the week for it before the forums blew up and was allowed back into the game from what I was told lol.
They barely banned anyone who is really abusing the software they only banned the people who wanted to be banned that's it.While yes it the start am not sure they can find most of the people who used the engine for a slight buff.That might be because of my lack of faith in ZOS.ColoursYouHave wrote: »Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
Because its a start. I don't think anybody (well, anybody who is reasonable at least) expected them to fix this problem overnight. But an acknowledgement from Jessica like that shows that they are addressing the issue, and suggests that they will continue to address the issue.
Also, with ZOS only giving 3 day bans for people who took advantage of the crafting writ exploit, and many people believing that was not enough to discourage people from exploiting in the future, people are really happy to see that they are giving people much harsher punishments for this (which isn't surprising, considering the difference between an in-game exploit and using 3rd party software to modify code), and hope that it will discourage people from using cheats like this in the future.
Its hasn't been dealt with because the people they were trying to bring into light are still in the game.OK they didn't die but they gave up a game they cared about to fix this crap.You guys are cheering because they were banned but not the people who been cheating using this software for years.Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
"martyr
noun
plural noun: martyrs
1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"the first Christian martyr""
Really? xD Stop talking about them as if they died valliantly for some greater cause x)
What they did was wrong, and I am cheering because it was dealt with.
They were trying to bring this into light.Something other gamers have been trying to do for months and ZOS did nothing about it so they forced them to do something about it.OK they didn't die but they gave up a game they cared about to fix this crap.You guys are cheering because they were banned but not the people who been cheating using this software for years.Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
"martyr
noun
plural noun: martyrs
1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"the first Christian martyr""
Really? xD Stop talking about them as if they died valliantly for some greater cause x)
Abusing a hack doesn't sound remotely 'caring' at all...they got what they deserved.
OK they didn't die but they gave up a game they cared about to fix this crap.You guys are cheering because they were banned but not the people who been cheating using this software for years.Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
"martyr
noun
plural noun: martyrs
1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"the first Christian martyr""
Really? xD Stop talking about them as if they died valliantly for some greater cause x)
They barely banned anyone who is really abusing the software they only banned the people who wanted to be banned that's it.While yes it the start am not sure they can find most of the people who used the engine for a slight buff.That might be because of my lack of faith in ZOS.ColoursYouHave wrote: »Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
Because its a start. I don't think anybody (well, anybody who is reasonable at least) expected them to fix this problem overnight. But an acknowledgement from Jessica like that shows that they are addressing the issue, and suggests that they will continue to address the issue.
Also, with ZOS only giving 3 day bans for people who took advantage of the crafting writ exploit, and many people believing that was not enough to discourage people from exploiting in the future, people are really happy to see that they are giving people much harsher punishments for this (which isn't surprising, considering the difference between an in-game exploit and using 3rd party software to modify code), and hope that it will discourage people from using cheats like this in the future.Its hasn't been dealt with because the people they were trying to bring into light are still in the game.OK they didn't die but they gave up a game they cared about to fix this crap.You guys are cheering because they were banned but not the people who been cheating using this software for years.Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
"martyr
noun
plural noun: martyrs
1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"the first Christian martyr""
Really? xD Stop talking about them as if they died valliantly for some greater cause x)
What they did was wrong, and I am cheering because it was dealt with.They were trying to bring this into light.Something other gamers have been trying to do for months and ZOS did nothing about it so they forced them to do something about it.OK they didn't die but they gave up a game they cared about to fix this crap.You guys are cheering because they were banned but not the people who been cheating using this software for years.Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
"martyr
noun
plural noun: martyrs
1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"the first Christian martyr""
Really? xD Stop talking about them as if they died valliantly for some greater cause x)
Abusing a hack doesn't sound remotely 'caring' at all...they got what they deserved.
They barely banned anyone who is really abusing the software they only banned the people who wanted to be banned that's it.While yes it the start am not sure they can find most of the people who used the engine for a slight buff.That might be because of my lack of faith in ZOS.ColoursYouHave wrote: »Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
Because its a start. I don't think anybody (well, anybody who is reasonable at least) expected them to fix this problem overnight. But an acknowledgement from Jessica like that shows that they are addressing the issue, and suggests that they will continue to address the issue.
Also, with ZOS only giving 3 day bans for people who took advantage of the crafting writ exploit, and many people believing that was not enough to discourage people from exploiting in the future, people are really happy to see that they are giving people much harsher punishments for this (which isn't surprising, considering the difference between an in-game exploit and using 3rd party software to modify code), and hope that it will discourage people from using cheats like this in the future.Its hasn't been dealt with because the people they were trying to bring into light are still in the game.OK they didn't die but they gave up a game they cared about to fix this crap.You guys are cheering because they were banned but not the people who been cheating using this software for years.Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
"martyr
noun
plural noun: martyrs
1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"the first Christian martyr""
Really? xD Stop talking about them as if they died valliantly for some greater cause x)
What they did was wrong, and I am cheering because it was dealt with.They were trying to bring this into light.Something other gamers have been trying to do for months and ZOS did nothing about it so they forced them to do something about it.OK they didn't die but they gave up a game they cared about to fix this crap.You guys are cheering because they were banned but not the people who been cheating using this software for years.Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
"martyr
noun
plural noun: martyrs
1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"the first Christian martyr""
Really? xD Stop talking about them as if they died valliantly for some greater cause x)
Abusing a hack doesn't sound remotely 'caring' at all...they got what they deserved.
So am I correct in assuming you know all the people doing this hack then? I'd expect you as an upstanding player of ESO to swiftly provide the Devs with all the proof you have of these remaining offenders.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Just a quick update for everyone regarding the recent influx of those using third party tools to cheat in ESO. We've adjusted our automatic anti-cheat systems to focus specifically on the cheats we've seen in the last few days, in addition to launching investigations on specific players. We've permanently banned 43 players in the last 24 hours who were found to be cheating. We don't take cheating lightly, and will continue to ban those who are found to be cheating. We'll be going back through game logs to identify players who were violating our anti-cheating policies in the hours before we performed the automatic cheat detection adjustment.
In addition, we're working on a number of fixes and improvements to prevent this kind of behavior from happening in ESO in the future. We'll provide more specific details about this tomorrow.
We want to thank everyone who has helped us identify those who would ruin your game experience by cheating, and the means by which they were doing so.
reclaimervii.sierra117ub17_ESO wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »No one is hacking it was an ingame exploit, and I personally think if those people are doing it to keep competition fair between them then yes, it should be allowed as it doesnt affect anyone outside.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Do you see me making excuses, where are you grabbing that from, honestly, can you read what I am writing?Not true, said exploit was being used for a total of 8 months by Im going to say 20% of the population. Threads were made it was a known exploit and largely used, zos acknowledged it but didn't do anything about it, guides were all over the place on how to do it.BenLocoDete wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Hack? I didn't hack. This was an exploit with TBS set a year ago.How about the exploit getting fixed ASAP and not being left in the damn game for months? And still in the game for another 6 months after the fix was out.Link me somewhere I said they were legit, pretty sure in the massive thread we had we said it had to resort to that.I have videos online of my all my scores, so do hodor. theres no cheating like that, please dont say that kind of stuff when guilds/players go through a lot to prove their stuff is legitimatestevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »I think when players are hacking, then videos are fine, I don't see why we can't name and shame. We don't want to hide the toxic players in the community, why are we protecting them. Get rid of them once and for all.Repost vids, send in vids via tickets and dont name players then the thread wont get locked
As for the Maelstrom Arena before that gets out of hand, I've been seeing players all day getting high scores who are mainly unnamed/unknown in the realms of PvE.
But honestly the players who held #1 are my friends and my guild mates, they have put countless hours of effort into keeping that spot, to have someone come in and ruin it is just disgusting behavior because they know nothing will happen to them. If I was #1 I would be completely pissed that I would be unable to grab a screenshot to show the achievement before Dark Brotherhood goes live because someone had hacked and gotten a seemingly impossible score. (which is actually a 29 Minute clear.)
As for PvP, I know it has less of a direct impact like PvE leaderboards do, but players should also get punished thinking how they can get away with such *** I don't understand how time after time you allow players to exploit, no more 3 day ban, stand handing out permanent bans, especially to those who have received one before and decided to come back and disrespect the company outright.
It's sad to say, but this now becomes another problem...you say that you and all your friends with high scores are legit, but who will believe they are now?
And who will believe that Hodor (EU) are always first to complete trials due to being good or because speculation and hearsay may also point to it being a guild of cheaters?
Once the poison of cheating sets in and the finger pointing starts then where does it go from here? There will be a witch hunt.
I enjoy playing this game and basically have given up on large parts of it due to all the cheating...the spoilers are spoiling it for the rest of us.
Good luck with trying to keep your name and the that of your friends untarnished by this. If I were you, I would no longer put your "World Best" scores in your signature as no one will believe it anymore.
Funny story about Major Update 6, because we had such a close compeititon with HODOR we had to both agree that we're allowed ot use the double mundus exploit so that we can keep a fair competition. Sucks when that happens, but when an exploit like double mundus goes viral you have to all agree to do it so no one is on the upper hand.
You went on and on about how legit your scores are and then outright admitted to cheating and how the lot of you colluded together. You guys are like all the cyclists using PEDs. You embrace the cheating because "everyone is doing it." Well, sorry, Lance Armstrong, it's still not okay.
Stop bringing this up lol, I gave an explanation about it. If there are 5+ teams all going for #1 and an exploit like so which mind you was so damn easy to do goes public then doesn't get fixed until AFTER the leaderboard reset, then yes all the teams to be on equal playing field agreed to do it so no one could be a whining loser and call out other teams with stupid accusations. I don't think it's right and I blame ZOS for not fixing it ASAP but leaving it in the game for months, what do you expect?
You can have your opinion and I think it's wrong, I'm not embracing it but in this instance it is necessary to do so. No one is flat out saying it's cheating and shameful in the conditions that were forced.
Put it this way, I'd rather everyone be cheating and on equal grounds with all the other teams (there were about 5 at the time, and I was in contact with them all), and they all agreed. We would rather all be using the same exploit rather than someone disrespecting our efforts put in and beating us while we weren't doing it.
Btw your analogy doesn't exactly apply during this whole thing, I agree it's cheating I'm not defending it, don't know what makes you think I am I've never said anything about that other than we all agreed we had to do it. And lastly, I really do blame ZOS for this but on the other hand it also avoided comments like "you only got that cause you exploited double mundus" when we hadn't. So either way, I don't think it devalues the score at all we were all on equal playing fields and I don't think you should spurt out your opinion and make attacks on peoples hard work when I've already explained the situation.
No offense Nifty but your image as a clean player on this thread just went to the drain with that whole statement and your previous ones. No one cares if you agreed upon having an exploit on your team or others team's setup, people cares if you guys allowed it and didn't condemn it the way you should have and people cares if you were not the better player standind up for what you believe lol.
How about you guys decided to be responsible enough to either not compete or agree upon not allowing any exploit on a team's setup huh? Would have been smarter, more honorable, and you wouldnt even have to be discussing what happened or bringing up this controversial subject on this whole thread.
Im a clean playing when it comes to playing on equal grounds as the competition, people often tend to do dirty things for #1 as much as they can.
You can say what you want to and call us all cheaters and exploiters I mean we are and it had to be done because the issue was ignored. This wasnt 3rd party software all you had to do was put on twice born star, die and remove it. You kept your second mundus stone.
Anyway, stop bring the conversation up, we have all admitted it a year ago, no one really cares about it, and I dont know why you are showing offense to the subject when you werent apart of the 5 groups, and honestly if you werent apart of the 5 groups I dont really think it matters of your opinion as long as all of the people involved agreed it was necessary, then it was
What do you mean it doesn't matter.....
You agreed to the T&C when you signed up for the game.
You then decided that the T&C somehow didn't apply to you.
Then deliberately hacked the game.
...and now you come along as though it's somehow ok just for your group of hackers?
I really don't think you understand the meaning of terms and conditions.
Huge diff between hack and in game exploit
You knowingly used an exploit though which is still breaking the Terms and Conditions. It shouldn't matter if it was fixed or not. Just because it is in the game doesn't make it okay to use it.
But it does make that that exploit must be immediately dealt with by the people who designed it in the first place.
Though I think this is a different situation and a lot more alarming, should I be banned, I dont know I said it a year ago as did many others, they didn't do anything. I don't think they banned because of how easy it was to do and how you could do it by mistake, I knew someone who had mundus stones stacking every time he picked one up.
Stop making excuses for people. It's never ok to use an exploit. And it makes you a bad player.
Ive already said it is exploiting and its not okay to do so, but theyre not going to go ahead and ban a group of 20 people because they are trying to have a fair group competition between each other. That just doesnt make sense
If those 20 people have been caught hacking then yes they should be banned. They cant just stop and say "oh well they were just trying to make it fair for themselves" that will cause even more outrage.
Nobody deserves special treatment. We have already seen the outrage when a streamer got special treatment. I don't care if they are the president of the US. Everyone should be treated equally.
If I went into cyrodill and got an unfair advantage against someone, then yes it affects other people, if I went and did maelstrom then yes it affects other people.
See the difference?
Depends on what this "competition" between them is. If it affects the leaderboards I believe it is a bannable offense. If not then that is up to ZoS.
Theres a difference between exploit and cheat engine l2smart plox
reclaimervii.sierra117ub17_ESO wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »No one is hacking it was an ingame exploit, and I personally think if those people are doing it to keep competition fair between them then yes, it should be allowed as it doesnt affect anyone outside.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Do you see me making excuses, where are you grabbing that from, honestly, can you read what I am writing?Not true, said exploit was being used for a total of 8 months by Im going to say 20% of the population. Threads were made it was a known exploit and largely used, zos acknowledged it but didn't do anything about it, guides were all over the place on how to do it.BenLocoDete wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Hack? I didn't hack. This was an exploit with TBS set a year ago.How about the exploit getting fixed ASAP and not being left in the damn game for months? And still in the game for another 6 months after the fix was out.Link me somewhere I said they were legit, pretty sure in the massive thread we had we said it had to resort to that.I have videos online of my all my scores, so do hodor. theres no cheating like that, please dont say that kind of stuff when guilds/players go through a lot to prove their stuff is legitimatestevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »I think when players are hacking, then videos are fine, I don't see why we can't name and shame. We don't want to hide the toxic players in the community, why are we protecting them. Get rid of them once and for all.Repost vids, send in vids via tickets and dont name players then the thread wont get locked
As for the Maelstrom Arena before that gets out of hand, I've been seeing players all day getting high scores who are mainly unnamed/unknown in the realms of PvE.
But honestly the players who held #1 are my friends and my guild mates, they have put countless hours of effort into keeping that spot, to have someone come in and ruin it is just disgusting behavior because they know nothing will happen to them. If I was #1 I would be completely pissed that I would be unable to grab a screenshot to show the achievement before Dark Brotherhood goes live because someone had hacked and gotten a seemingly impossible score. (which is actually a 29 Minute clear.)
As for PvP, I know it has less of a direct impact like PvE leaderboards do, but players should also get punished thinking how they can get away with such *** I don't understand how time after time you allow players to exploit, no more 3 day ban, stand handing out permanent bans, especially to those who have received one before and decided to come back and disrespect the company outright.
It's sad to say, but this now becomes another problem...you say that you and all your friends with high scores are legit, but who will believe they are now?
And who will believe that Hodor (EU) are always first to complete trials due to being good or because speculation and hearsay may also point to it being a guild of cheaters?
Once the poison of cheating sets in and the finger pointing starts then where does it go from here? There will be a witch hunt.
I enjoy playing this game and basically have given up on large parts of it due to all the cheating...the spoilers are spoiling it for the rest of us.
Good luck with trying to keep your name and the that of your friends untarnished by this. If I were you, I would no longer put your "World Best" scores in your signature as no one will believe it anymore.
Funny story about Major Update 6, because we had such a close compeititon with HODOR we had to both agree that we're allowed ot use the double mundus exploit so that we can keep a fair competition. Sucks when that happens, but when an exploit like double mundus goes viral you have to all agree to do it so no one is on the upper hand.
You went on and on about how legit your scores are and then outright admitted to cheating and how the lot of you colluded together. You guys are like all the cyclists using PEDs. You embrace the cheating because "everyone is doing it." Well, sorry, Lance Armstrong, it's still not okay.
Stop bringing this up lol, I gave an explanation about it. If there are 5+ teams all going for #1 and an exploit like so which mind you was so damn easy to do goes public then doesn't get fixed until AFTER the leaderboard reset, then yes all the teams to be on equal playing field agreed to do it so no one could be a whining loser and call out other teams with stupid accusations. I don't think it's right and I blame ZOS for not fixing it ASAP but leaving it in the game for months, what do you expect?
You can have your opinion and I think it's wrong, I'm not embracing it but in this instance it is necessary to do so. No one is flat out saying it's cheating and shameful in the conditions that were forced.
Put it this way, I'd rather everyone be cheating and on equal grounds with all the other teams (there were about 5 at the time, and I was in contact with them all), and they all agreed. We would rather all be using the same exploit rather than someone disrespecting our efforts put in and beating us while we weren't doing it.
Btw your analogy doesn't exactly apply during this whole thing, I agree it's cheating I'm not defending it, don't know what makes you think I am I've never said anything about that other than we all agreed we had to do it. And lastly, I really do blame ZOS for this but on the other hand it also avoided comments like "you only got that cause you exploited double mundus" when we hadn't. So either way, I don't think it devalues the score at all we were all on equal playing fields and I don't think you should spurt out your opinion and make attacks on peoples hard work when I've already explained the situation.
No offense Nifty but your image as a clean player on this thread just went to the drain with that whole statement and your previous ones. No one cares if you agreed upon having an exploit on your team or others team's setup, people cares if you guys allowed it and didn't condemn it the way you should have and people cares if you were not the better player standind up for what you believe lol.
How about you guys decided to be responsible enough to either not compete or agree upon not allowing any exploit on a team's setup huh? Would have been smarter, more honorable, and you wouldnt even have to be discussing what happened or bringing up this controversial subject on this whole thread.
Im a clean playing when it comes to playing on equal grounds as the competition, people often tend to do dirty things for #1 as much as they can.
You can say what you want to and call us all cheaters and exploiters I mean we are and it had to be done because the issue was ignored. This wasnt 3rd party software all you had to do was put on twice born star, die and remove it. You kept your second mundus stone.
Anyway, stop bring the conversation up, we have all admitted it a year ago, no one really cares about it, and I dont know why you are showing offense to the subject when you werent apart of the 5 groups, and honestly if you werent apart of the 5 groups I dont really think it matters of your opinion as long as all of the people involved agreed it was necessary, then it was
What do you mean it doesn't matter.....
You agreed to the T&C when you signed up for the game.
You then decided that the T&C somehow didn't apply to you.
Then deliberately hacked the game.
...and now you come along as though it's somehow ok just for your group of hackers?
I really don't think you understand the meaning of terms and conditions.
Huge diff between hack and in game exploit
You knowingly used an exploit though which is still breaking the Terms and Conditions. It shouldn't matter if it was fixed or not. Just because it is in the game doesn't make it okay to use it.
But it does make that that exploit must be immediately dealt with by the people who designed it in the first place.
Though I think this is a different situation and a lot more alarming, should I be banned, I dont know I said it a year ago as did many others, they didn't do anything. I don't think they banned because of how easy it was to do and how you could do it by mistake, I knew someone who had mundus stones stacking every time he picked one up.
Stop making excuses for people. It's never ok to use an exploit. And it makes you a bad player.
Ive already said it is exploiting and its not okay to do so, but theyre not going to go ahead and ban a group of 20 people because they are trying to have a fair group competition between each other. That just doesnt make sense
If those 20 people have been caught hacking then yes they should be banned. They cant just stop and say "oh well they were just trying to make it fair for themselves" that will cause even more outrage.
Nobody deserves special treatment. We have already seen the outrage when a streamer got special treatment. I don't care if they are the president of the US. Everyone should be treated equally.
If I went into cyrodill and got an unfair advantage against someone, then yes it affects other people, if I went and did maelstrom then yes it affects other people.
See the difference?
Depends on what this "competition" between them is. If it affects the leaderboards I believe it is a bannable offense. If not then that is up to ZoS.
Theres a difference between exploit and cheat engine l2smart plox
I will not believe they banned 40ish players till I see their names on a list.
History of "soon" "no ETA" "in a future" and the lack of trust towards zenimax got my trust on them on negative values.
OK they didn't die but they gave up a game they cared about to fix this crap.You guys are cheering because they were banned but not the people who been cheating using this software for years.Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
"martyr
noun
plural noun: martyrs
1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"the first Christian martyr""
Really? xD Stop talking about them as if they died valliantly for some greater cause x)
I will not believe they banned 40ish players till I see their names on a list.
History of "soon" "no ETA" "in a future" and the lack of trust towards zenimax got my trust on them on negative values.
They barely banned anyone who is really abusing the software they only banned the people who wanted to be banned that's it.While yes it the start am not sure they can find most of the people who used the engine for a slight buff.That might be because of my lack of faith in ZOS.ColoursYouHave wrote: »Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
Because its a start. I don't think anybody (well, anybody who is reasonable at least) expected them to fix this problem overnight. But an acknowledgement from Jessica like that shows that they are addressing the issue, and suggests that they will continue to address the issue.
Also, with ZOS only giving 3 day bans for people who took advantage of the crafting writ exploit, and many people believing that was not enough to discourage people from exploiting in the future, people are really happy to see that they are giving people much harsher punishments for this (which isn't surprising, considering the difference between an in-game exploit and using 3rd party software to modify code), and hope that it will discourage people from using cheats like this in the future.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Heh 24 h ban and people jump with joy? And hmm... automated anti cheat system? So why now and not before?
The bans are permanent, not 24-hour bans. We just noted that we issued the bans within the last 24 hours. Also, our automated anti-cheat system was on, but we adjusted the parameters to more effectively catch the recent cheat behavior.
They barely banned anyone who is really abusing the software they only banned the people who wanted to be banned that's it.While yes it the start am not sure they can find most of the people who used the engine for a slight buff.That might be because of my lack of faith in ZOS.ColoursYouHave wrote: »Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
Because its a start. I don't think anybody (well, anybody who is reasonable at least) expected them to fix this problem overnight. But an acknowledgement from Jessica like that shows that they are addressing the issue, and suggests that they will continue to address the issue.
Also, with ZOS only giving 3 day bans for people who took advantage of the crafting writ exploit, and many people believing that was not enough to discourage people from exploiting in the future, people are really happy to see that they are giving people much harsher punishments for this (which isn't surprising, considering the difference between an in-game exploit and using 3rd party software to modify code), and hope that it will discourage people from using cheats like this in the future.Its hasn't been dealt with because the people they were trying to bring into light are still in the game.OK they didn't die but they gave up a game they cared about to fix this crap.You guys are cheering because they were banned but not the people who been cheating using this software for years.Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
"martyr
noun
plural noun: martyrs
1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"the first Christian martyr""
Really? xD Stop talking about them as if they died valliantly for some greater cause x)
What they did was wrong, and I am cheering because it was dealt with.They were trying to bring this into light.Something other gamers have been trying to do for months and ZOS did nothing about it so they forced them to do something about it.OK they didn't die but they gave up a game they cared about to fix this crap.You guys are cheering because they were banned but not the people who been cheating using this software for years.Why is everyone so happy about this really?Most of the people who are really cheating and doing it on the low more then likely won't get banned since they have covered their tracks.The people who we really should be blaming who are abusing this cheat to farm VET MA and over leaderboard. They are still here and I doubt ZOS will find most of them.All ZOS did was ban the martyrs and people who was trying to get this noticed that's it.So stop cheering this on until ZOS really do something.
"martyr
noun
plural noun: martyrs
1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"the first Christian martyr""
Really? xD Stop talking about them as if they died valliantly for some greater cause x)
Abusing a hack doesn't sound remotely 'caring' at all...they got what they deserved.
So am I correct in assuming you know all the people doing this hack then? I'd expect you as an upstanding player of ESO to swiftly provide the Devs with all the proof you have of these remaining offenders.
I will not believe they banned 40ish players till I see their names on a list.
History of "soon" "no ETA" "in a future" and the lack of trust towards zenimax got my trust on them on negative values.
Naming and shaming like that is not allowed And neither you or I have any rights to see those names. Why would they lie about banning people? Seems pointless to me.
vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »I will not believe they banned 40ish players till I see their names on a list.
History of "soon" "no ETA" "in a future" and the lack of trust towards zenimax got my trust on them on negative values.
Naming and shaming like that is not allowed And neither you or I have any rights to see those names. Why would they lie about banning people? Seems pointless to me.
You are right. Why would they lie... I mean with the one post the forums went from screaming bloody murder to praising Zen. You are right why would they lie indeed.
Not that I think they did. I think they are telling the truth. But honestly, to pretend they have no reason, or would get nothing out of telling this lie is sort of silly.
vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »I will not believe they banned 40ish players till I see their names on a list.
History of "soon" "no ETA" "in a future" and the lack of trust towards zenimax got my trust on them on negative values.
Naming and shaming like that is not allowed And neither you or I have any rights to see those names. Why would they lie about banning people? Seems pointless to me.
You are right. Why would they lie... I mean with the one post the forums went from screaming bloody murder to praising Zen. You are right why would they lie indeed.
Not that I think they did. I think they are telling the truth. But honestly, to pretend they have no reason, or would get nothing out of telling this lie is sort of silly.