"Immortal Guards" need a boost!

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Now, wherever I go, be it a store, the bank, whatever, I come to see that place is plundered.
This can only mean one thing: the Guards are too much a ***, the escape possibility far too high.
Imho, the Guards needs a heavy boost, so the bandits, no longer have a free safe go at things.

The game is unbalanced the way it is.
It's ALSO why every nub thinks he's a thief: he always wins...

Wollust

I think we need PvP justice system to help out these poor guards.

Turelus

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

No, that will end in griefing.
Just a boost in the guards would do:
Make them hit 3 times the damage, make them far more aware.

Tommy1979AtWar

It definitely needs to be harder to escape them, even without cloak it's a doddle.

clayandaudrey_ESO

You can escape from them???

The more you know. /sigh

Molag_Crow

Indeed...

FortheloveofKrist

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

No, that will end in griefing.
Just a boost in the guards would do:
Make them hit 3 times the damage, make them far more aware.

I thieve regularly and I agree. They are too easy to get around. They should at least come running when an NPC sees you doing shady ****, or a few seconds after they spot you.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Indeed.
Often i steal myself silly, not even hiding, under the noses of my victims.
Really???

TX12001rwb17_ESO

They don't need a boost, Guards are already Op instead why not just add a few more guards

Also I believe Invincible is a more fitting word

FerrumnCutem

Dont boost guards ffs, if anything they should be killable!
And what your problem concerns, getting caught means you get a bounty. Getting a bounty higher than 2000 gold orso means you are screwed until it disapears. So when you steal and the guards is after you it means that your bounty is high. The point is, the punishment for stealing is good the way it is. I would like a bounty system for players to collect, but Zos dropped that idea.
Just be faster and sneakier instead of complaining on the forums about your problems.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

They don't need a boost, Guards are already Op instead why not just add a few more guards

Also I believe Invincible is a more fitting word

...
Then how come all places are looted?
How come i can steal, not even hiding???

@FerrumnCutem Are you MAD?
Making thievery even MORE simple?

ROFL!

It can't get any simpler!!!

FerrumnCutem

So what if its simple? Why does everything need to be harder? The only thing that making it harder would do, is make it so that you would make less money by fencing goods. So what would be the point?
Even if they would make guards more hardcore, it would just mean that you would get caught, lose your stolen *** and have to start over again. It wouldn't even refill boxes or hold any benefit for any of the other players, it would just be a waste of time and stolen goods.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

FerrumnCutem wrote: »

So what if its simple? Why does everything need to be harder? The only thing that making it harder would do, is make it so that you would make less money by fencing goods. So what would be the point?

This I already answerred, bro.
EVERYBODY seems to think he's a thief.
Thievery should not be so rediculously simple, it's NOT a means to get richer, if a frikken CRIME.
It needs to be dealt with accordingly!

TX12001rwb17_ESO

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

FerrumnCutem wrote: »

So what if its simple? Why does everything need to be harder? The only thing that making it harder would do, is make it so that you would make less money by fencing goods. So what would be the point?

This I already answerred, bro.
EVERYBODY seems to think he's a thief.
Thievery should not be so rediculously simple, it's NOT a means to get richer, if a frikken CRIME.
It needs to be dealt with accordingly!

"it's NOT a means to get richer" then why do people do it then? Why do people rob a bank? Im pretty sure its because it's a means to get richer.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

FerrumnCutem wrote: »

So what if its simple? Why does everything need to be harder? The only thing that making it harder would do, is make it so that you would make less money by fencing goods. So what would be the point?

This I already answerred, bro.
EVERYBODY seems to think he's a thief.
Thievery should not be so rediculously simple, it's NOT a means to get richer, if a frikken CRIME.
It needs to be dealt with accordingly!

"it's NOT a means to get richer" then why do people do it then? Why do people rob a bank? Im pretty sure its because it's a means to get richer.

BECAUSE IT IS SO SIMPLE!
That is the answer.
But it is, no matter how you turn it, crime.
Period.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

To all those that would like an even more simple way to be a criminal:
Why don't we through law overboard entirely?
Make murder a hero act, make thievery a hero act, hell, give us an open world so griefers can have fun, too...

Luigi_Vampa

Wollust wrote: »

I think we need PvP justice system to help out these poor guards.

Yes please! Not getting the PvP part of the Justice System was such a huge let down.

NateAssassin

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

FerrumnCutem wrote: »

So what if its simple? Why does everything need to be harder? The only thing that making it harder would do, is make it so that you would make less money by fencing goods. So what would be the point?

This I already answerred, bro.
EVERYBODY seems to think he's a thief.
Thievery should not be so rediculously simple, it's NOT a means to get richer, if a frikken CRIME.
It needs to be dealt with accordingly!

Then please explain why people rob banks and jewelry stores, I thought they robbed them because it was to get rich, not because it's fun or a good pass time.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Well, let me ask YOU a counter question: how many do this, based on the 8 billion people population?
How many get caught?

On ESO, EVERY SOT is a thief.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

FerrumnCutem wrote: »

So what if its simple? Why does everything need to be harder? The only thing that making it harder would do, is make it so that you would make less money by fencing goods. So what would be the point?

This I already answerred, bro.
EVERYBODY seems to think he's a thief.
Thievery should not be so rediculously simple, it's NOT a means to get richer, if a frikken CRIME.
It needs to be dealt with accordingly!

"it's NOT a means to get richer" then why do people do it then? Why do people rob a bank? Im pretty sure its because it's a means to get richer.

BECAUSE IT IS SO SIMPLE!
That is the answer.
But it is, no matter how you turn it, crime.
Period.

but why do they do this very simple thing then? what is the incentive to do it, what's the point of it hmm?

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

but why do they do this very simple thing then? what is the incentive to do it, what's the point of it hmm?[/quote]Also been answerred: faster gain in wealth, no consequence, no danger.
Hence every sot is a thief.
If the world had no law, this would happen here too.

BTW: the soft approach to criminals (giving them rights, decent food/clothing...) instead of real consequence is the reason crime is raging on the planet.
Bring back death penalty and the like, and see how crime plunges into 1digit percentage levels.

NateAssassin

inb4 OP suggest we add death penalty to going 5 miles over the speed limit

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Excuse me?
I use an example, to point out the flaw in ESO thievery crime rates.

Where did I say something wrong?

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Excuse me?
I use an example, to point out the flaw in ESO thievery crime rates.

Where did I say something wrong?

Now why would I do that?
We could say impound the car, and give you a metal cube back.
Now, this would make you think twice.

But your comment has nothing to do with the topic.

GivvumBoane

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

They don't need a boost, Guards are already Op instead why not just add a few more guards

Also I believe Invincible is a more fitting word

...
Then how come all places are looted?
How come i can steal, not even hiding???

@FerrumnCutem Are you MAD?
Making thievery even MORE simple?

ROFL!

It can't get any simpler!!!

I don't get it honestly. You can tell a place is looted? On my game if I see a place looted, I looted it. Containers are instanced to your character. When loading a zone, containers randomly appear empty. After you travel a certain distance from a container you interacted with (you don't have to remove the item), it will appear empty when you return. That's why you can see people interacting with containers that appear empty.

Jimboo84

By its subject it reminded me at Daggerfall(1996). There you could stack all guards and kill all together with 1 daedric sword.

IcyDeadPeople

Guards already have 2 different instant cast one-shot abilities that scale based on your health. I imagine it would be rather boring if they used their one shot attacks 100% of the time.

I want to see them no longer immortal deities, just very challenging to kill. Would be fun to finally get revenge for all the times they killed me with the cheese tactics.

When you have high bounty, the only way to complete the skill point quests is dying frequently to guards, since there are usually two of them stationed right next to quest giver and often lack the patrol A.I. routine, so they just stand there. You have to try to quickly skip through the dialogue to start the quests before they one shot you.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Guards already have 2 different instant cast one-shot abilities that scale based on your health. I imagine it would be rather boring if they used their one shot attacks 100% of the time.

I want to see them no longer immortal deities, just very challenging to kill. Would be fun to finally get revenge for all the times they killed me with the cheese tactics.

When you have high bounty, the only way to complete the skill point quests is dying frequently to guards, since there are usually two of them stationed right next to quest giver and often lack the patrol A.I. routine, so they just stand there. You have to try to quickly skip through the dialogue to start the quests before they one shot you.

And STILL FAR too many sots can make it.
As I said, half the time I am stealing just walking by, and hardly one got me.
And I FOR SURE am not a "great player", I'm not even going to points like GEAR, or SKILLS, if you'd see my Khaj, you'd die laughing.
Or nightmares left behind of it.

Rex-Umbra

Make them smarter but not stronger maybe if a npc sees you commit a crime they would attempt to get the guard and guards would persue you longer distances and maybe spawn more guards to assist if your bounty is really high. As a max lvl char i can kite 4 plus guards around mostly dodge rolling.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Oh come on: at level three I escaped Guards that saw me stealing.
But yes, I used stairs, balconies, to get away.
If you use the tiniest fraction of your brain, these pose ABSOLUTELY no threat.

But avoid plundering singe room buildings, if you are low level: this is a recipe for total disaster.

Oh, and unload FREQUENTLY, just to be safe.
No use in running around with a bag full of stolen items, this will lead only to frustration, WHICH is why some silly sots ask to nerf them.