A rant about players.

Publius_Scipio

lol, I don't know what else to say other than my posts are even better after reading them again after some time has passed.

Minno

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

lol, I don't know what else to say other than my posts are even better after reading them again after some time has passed.

Battle-poetry that post was.

a1i3nz

Leandor wrote: »

With the current game, you have those that, by "creative use of game mechanics", manage to be almost invincible and then there's us, the so-called "scrubs".

You have those that are blessed with a perfect internet connection and enough time on their hands to perfect their "animation cancelling skills" to maximize their damage output and again us "scrubs" that aren't.

No matter what you change in the game, it will always benefit the "elite" most.

The problem in this game may have been the mechanics at some point, but by now it is only the players themselves to blame.

We as a community have fostered an attitude of unsportsmanship that is by now inherent and irrevocable. You see that anytime you visit cyrodiil.

A few examples:
- a certain stamina templar that tied for win in a recent 1v1 tournament (Aldmeri) running together with a few blues (amongst them a certain dk o his stamina nightblade alt with a name very similar to the famous champignon mushroom) to get the red scroll, running peacefully alongside, just to "troll reds".
- a certain blue emperor on ebony blade EU who stands back and beams or sieges with close to 50 other elite small scalers beating on 6 reds trying to defend a keep at 1am monday night, just bcause they can.
- a certain yellow pro smallscale guild with a banana name taking the *** at the 7 reds that tried to recap at least one keep after blues managed to gatecamp only one of the gates (one has to be grateful for the small things) after they apparently failed to farm AP against the blues at ash.

Nothing I have written is against any rule and thus it is useless to complain about. It just shows the attitude of players in this game.

Now I am sure there are enough reds that do exactly the same, but I don't have examples because I only pvp on red side (for whatever reason I seem to be one of the very few that are actually true to their own decision).

The problem in this game are the players and only the players. It is sad to realize that. I hope you guys I named here see the point in what I have written, but most probably you will only reply "l2p" as usual.

Well it's an MMO brother. It's been this way in almost every successful mmo. Why not have mechanics that can be figured out and used in highly effective ways? Made for the elite players? Maybe, why not? Why should an MMOs PVP mechanics cater to casual players? And a lot of us with all this time and Internet also help the other players in our guilds. You'll find both types of players everywhere.
You just sound frustrated. Get back in and relax.
And l2p.
^_^

Joy_Division

In general I prefer to let people vent out frustrations, but I take issue with some of the things you said in the OP.

The ESO community is not a dichotomy between elite and scrubs. Those are the extreme ends of the spectrum. Most of the people who play this game are neither one nor the other, rather somewhere in-between.

Why is "creative use of game mechanics" and "animation cancelling skills" in quotes? To me this suggests a negative connotation, that they are cover-ups for perfidious (and potentially illegal) game-play, exploitative, or unsportsmanlike in some way. Why are these quotes attached to elite players? Because only really good players cheat? Or because the only reason players are good is because they cheat? If we want to improve the overall attitude of the community and promote good sportsmanship, how about not insinuating that the best players in the game use less than honest tactics?

Only the players to blame and not the mechanics? Nothing frustrates me more in this game than snare/root spam. Nothing. I would rather play in zergiest of zerg battles with a skyrocket ping because even if at least my skills don't work, I can still actually move. Am I suppose to nicely ask the 93% of the AD faction who has opted for a stamina bow build and slots the bombard skill to please stop spamming it at me? Are they the ones to blame for using a highly efficient skill?

No. It is ZoS's responsibility to address frustrating mechanics such as this that cause normally rational human beings with emotions to curse, lose interest in the game - and its integrity - zergbomb anyone with a bow, and send nasty tells.

And since when is this particular game's community any different? I've played enough shooters, been in enough rec sports leagues, and seen how ego / competitiveness, even between friends or those who ostensibly should no better, bring out the worst in people. The sorts of incidents that are frustrating you have not just suddenly arisen in the Elder Scrolls Online.

You think multi-faction clowning around, Gate-camping, and zerging are recent? They have been here since Day 1. Those who were here from the beginning probably remember the time when you could use the Transitus system to spawn at the enemy's home base. Oh, boy was that fun. Group I ran with back in the day not only invaded the High Rock ganking players turning in their quests, but actually used Forward Camps to get a lot of AD in the DC base and even set up siege. I played on the first cycle of NA's Bloodthorn and am very familiar with the concept of gate-camping. And I've been meteor bombed enough times by hordes of enemy players on every faction that I just have to laugh at the idea that this behavior is somehow exclusive to a particular faction or subset of the community.

None of this denies your frustration. None of it excuses the poor sportsmanship you describe. But the ESO community is not comprised of elites & scrubs, ZoS must shoulder the lion's share of responsibility for the level of toxicity and frustration (seriously, when was the last time you've seen a gamemaster?), and every faction engages in the sorts of behaviors that have you frustrated.

God_flakes

Joy_Division wrote: »

In general I prefer to let people vent out frustrations, but I take issue with some of the things you said in the OP.

The ESO community is not a dichotomy between elite and scrubs. Those are the extreme ends of the spectrum. Most of the people who play this game are neither one nor the other, rather somewhere in-between.

Why is "creative use of game mechanics" and "animation cancelling skills" in quotes? To me this suggests a negative connotation, that they are cover-ups for perfidious (and potentially illegal) game-play, exploitative, or unsportsmanlike in some way. Why are these quotes attached to elite players? Because only really good players cheat? Or because the only reason players are good is because they cheat? If we want to improve the overall attitude of the community and promote good sportsmanship, how about not insinuating that the best players in the game use less than honest tactics?

Only the players to blame and not the mechanics? Nothing frustrates me more in this game than snare/root spam. Nothing. I would rather play in zergiest of zerg battles with a skyrocket ping because even if at least my skills don't work, I can still actually move. Am I suppose to nicely ask the 93% of the AD faction who has opted for a stamina bow build and slots the bombard skill to please stop spamming it at me? Are they the ones to blame for using a highly efficient skill?

No. It is ZoS's responsibility to address frustrating mechanics such as this that cause normally rational human beings with emotions to curse, lose interest in the game - and its integrity - zergbomb anyone with a bow, and send nasty tells.

And since when is this particular game's community any different? I've played enough shooters, been in enough rec sports leagues, and seen how ego / competitiveness, even between friends or those who ostensibly should no better, bring out the worst in people. The sorts of incidents that are frustrating you have not just suddenly arisen in the Elder Scrolls Online.

You think multi-faction clowning around, Gate-camping, and zerging are recent? They have been here since Day 1. Those who were here from the beginning probably remember the time when you could use the Transitus system to spawn at the enemy's home base. Oh, boy was that fun. Group I ran with back in the day not only invaded the High Rock ganking players turning in their quests, but actually used Forward Camps to get a lot of AD in the DC base and even set up siege. I played on the first cycle of NA's Bloodthorn and am very familiar with the concept of gate-camping. And I've been meteor bombed enough times by hordes of enemy players on every faction that I just have to laugh at the idea that this behavior is somehow exclusive to a particular faction or subset of the community.

None of this denies your frustration. None of it excuses the poor sportsmanship you describe. But the ESO community is not comprised of elites & scrubs, ZoS must shoulder the lion's share of responsibility for the level of toxicity and frustration (seriously, when was the last time you've seen a gamemaster?), and every faction engages in the sorts of behaviors that have you frustrated.

I remember during the first week of launch, Gm's were running around playing the game and stopping people and asking them if everything was going ok.

Gone are those days!! What I wouldn't give to see a GM in Cyrodiil stop and ask people if everything was ok. Man oh man we could eliminate a LOT of the cheaters this way. They would be caught on the spot.

KenaPKK

How many of you actually see true cheaters on a regular basis? I saw one of those immortal Templars sit at zero health like...three months ago. I fought and killed Blinxey and Bishop while running around southwest of Ales once over the winter. And I think I saw someone using speed hacks to run around in PvE once a long, long time ago.

In over a year since coming back to the game, these 3 instances are the only times I have seen a player and thought 100% without a doubt "wow, that person is cheating and should be banned."

What else is going on that is so enraging to people?........

frozywozy

KenaPKK wrote: »

How many of you actually see true cheaters on a regular basis? I saw one of those immortal Templars sit at zero health like...three months ago. I fought and killed Blinxey and Bishop while running around southwest of Ales once over the winter. And I think I saw someone using speed hacks to run around in PvE once a long, long time ago.

In over a year since coming back to the game, these 3 instances are the only times I have seen a player and thought 100% without a doubt "wow, that person is cheating and should be banned."

What else is going on that is so enraging to people?........

I see one person sitting at very low health maybe once a month. I don't think they are cheaters because I don't see them repeatedly. I think they are just a victim of an unwanted bug.

Rohamad_Ali

KenaPKK wrote: »

How many of you actually see true cheaters on a regular basis? I saw one of those immortal Templars sit at zero health like...three months ago. I fought and killed Blinxey and Bishop while running around southwest of Ales once over the winter. And I think I saw someone using speed hacks to run around in PvE once a long, long time ago.

In over a year since coming back to the game, these 3 instances are the only times I have seen a player and thought 100% without a doubt "wow, that person is cheating and should be banned."

What else is going on that is so enraging to people?........

Agreed . I record a lot of game play and review like football plays to improve myself . It's also there if I see something fishy . Haven't seen anything that couldn't be explained after review in weeks . Once in a while though it will happen . But it's been a long time now .

God_flakes

Two nights ago, Roe Lumber-three AD: Edward with the E that is made with a special key, a level 23 healer and a third guy whose name escapes me now. That level 23 healer had 20 people beating on him as well as a ballista and meatbag and he took zero damage. Sorry, this isn't possible. He kept his buddies alive and none of them took any damage either. We threatened to report them and a few minutes later they all died easily and swiftly. Where there is smoke there is fire.

God_flakes

And Kena, spare me the histrionics. I'm not "enraged" about it. It's obnoxious and stupid that cheaters feel the need to pull those shenanigans in a game that really isn't very hard....but it hardly "enrages" me.

Rohamad_Ali

God_flakes wrote: »

Two nights ago, Roe Lumber-three AD: Edward with the E that is made with a special key, a level 23 healer and a third guy whose name escapes me now. That level 23 healer had 20 people beating on him as well as a ballista and meatbag and he took zero damage. Sorry, this isn't possible. He kept his buddies alive and none of them took any damage either. We threatened to report them and a few minutes later they all died easily and swiftly. Where there is smoke there is fire.

God_flakes

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Two nights ago, Roe Lumber-three AD: Edward with the E that is made with a special key, a level 23 healer and a third guy whose name escapes me now. That level 23 healer had 20 people beating on him as well as a ballista and meatbag and he took zero damage. Sorry, this isn't possible. He kept his buddies alive and none of them took any damage either. We threatened to report them and a few minutes later they all died easily and swiftly. Where there is smoke there is fire.

Too lazy and I don't really care. It's not really my job to catch these clowns-it's eso's job. A GM or two in Cyro and this shite wouldn't be happening. But my entire group (and you know who they are) will back me up on that account. We were actually laughing at them in ts when they died so easily only AFTER we threatened to report.

Rohamad_Ali

frozywozy wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

How many of you actually see true cheaters on a regular basis? I saw one of those immortal Templars sit at zero health like...three months ago. I fought and killed Blinxey and Bishop while running around southwest of Ales once over the winter. And I think I saw someone using speed hacks to run around in PvE once a long, long time ago.

In over a year since coming back to the game, these 3 instances are the only times I have seen a player and thought 100% without a doubt "wow, that person is cheating and should be banned."

What else is going on that is so enraging to people?........

I see one person sitting at very low health maybe once a month. I don't think they are cheaters because I don't see them repeatedly. I think they are just a victim of an unwanted bug.

There is a bug on health bars that comes back every once in a while . For awhile I thought it was the old impulse one that reduced your health bar down and never allowed it to return to normal size . I got it stuck on me and my guildies were sayin they couldn't heal me and I'm telling them I don't see damage . I had to relog and sit in que to get back in to fix it .

frozywozy

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

How many of you actually see true cheaters on a regular basis? I saw one of those immortal Templars sit at zero health like...three months ago. I fought and killed Blinxey and Bishop while running around southwest of Ales once over the winter. And I think I saw someone using speed hacks to run around in PvE once a long, long time ago.

In over a year since coming back to the game, these 3 instances are the only times I have seen a player and thought 100% without a doubt "wow, that person is cheating and should be banned."

What else is going on that is so enraging to people?........

I see one person sitting at very low health maybe once a month. I don't think they are cheaters because I don't see them repeatedly. I think they are just a victim of an unwanted bug.

There is a bug on health bars that comes back every once in a while . For awhile I thought it was the old impulse one that reduced your health bar down and never allowed it to return to normal size . I got it stuck on me and my guildies were sayin they couldn't heal me and I'm telling them I don't see damage . I had to relog and sit in que to get back in to fix it .

Oh I see health bar desyncs everyday. They are mainly caused by heavy resto / lighting attacks, curses and weapon enchantment procs. What I was reffering to in my last post is when a player is totally invincible for several minutes sitting at 5% or less health with 10 players hitting him.

Rohamad_Ali

frozywozy wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

How many of you actually see true cheaters on a regular basis? I saw one of those immortal Templars sit at zero health like...three months ago. I fought and killed Blinxey and Bishop while running around southwest of Ales once over the winter. And I think I saw someone using speed hacks to run around in PvE once a long, long time ago.

In over a year since coming back to the game, these 3 instances are the only times I have seen a player and thought 100% without a doubt "wow, that person is cheating and should be banned."

What else is going on that is so enraging to people?........

I see one person sitting at very low health maybe once a month. I don't think they are cheaters because I don't see them repeatedly. I think they are just a victim of an unwanted bug.

There is a bug on health bars that comes back every once in a while . For awhile I thought it was the old impulse one that reduced your health bar down and never allowed it to return to normal size . I got it stuck on me and my guildies were sayin they couldn't heal me and I'm telling them I don't see damage . I had to relog and sit in que to get back in to fix it .

Oh I see health bar desyncs everyday. They are mainly caused by heavy resto / lighting attacks, curses and weapon enchantment procs. What I was reffering to in my last post is when a player is totally invincible for several minutes sitting at 5% or less health with 10 players hitting him.

Oh ok , I haven't seen that yet personally . What's causing it ? Any guesses ?

Rohamad_Ali

God_flakes wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Two nights ago, Roe Lumber-three AD: Edward with the E that is made with a special key, a level 23 healer and a third guy whose name escapes me now. That level 23 healer had 20 people beating on him as well as a ballista and meatbag and he took zero damage. Sorry, this isn't possible. He kept his buddies alive and none of them took any damage either. We threatened to report them and a few minutes later they all died easily and swiftly. Where there is smoke there is fire.

Too lazy and I don't really care. It's not really my job to catch these clowns-it's eso's job. A GM or two in Cyro and this shite wouldn't be happening. But my entire group (and you know who they are) will back me up on that account. We were actually laughing at them in ts when they died so easily only AFTER we threatened to report.

I don't record to catch people . I record to show the game masters if there's something I don't understand and possible a bug . I use to assume right away ... Hax ! Hax everywhere !

Then a friend came back to the game and started explaining this system is bugged and here's why . No that's not a hack but when combined with this skill creates this problem ect ect ...

Not saying they're aren't cheaters out there . There are . I'm just better at recognizing what's intentional and what's perhaps unintentionally happening now .

Makes my reports much more helpful now .

God_flakes

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Two nights ago, Roe Lumber-three AD: Edward with the E that is made with a special key, a level 23 healer and a third guy whose name escapes me now. That level 23 healer had 20 people beating on him as well as a ballista and meatbag and he took zero damage. Sorry, this isn't possible. He kept his buddies alive and none of them took any damage either. We threatened to report them and a few minutes later they all died easily and swiftly. Where there is smoke there is fire.

Too lazy and I don't really care. It's not really my job to catch these clowns-it's eso's job. A GM or two in Cyro and this shite wouldn't be happening. But my entire group (and you know who they are) will back me up on that account. We were actually laughing at them in ts when they died so easily only AFTER we threatened to report.

I don't record to catch people . I record to show the game masters if there's something I don't understand and possible a bug . I use to assume right away ... Hax ! Hax everywhere !

Then a friend came back to the game and started explaining this system is bugged and here's why . No that's not a hack but when combined with this skill creates this problem ect ect ...

Not saying they're aren't cheaters out there . There are . I'm just better at recognizing what's intentional and what's perhaps unintentionally happening now .

Makes my reports much more helpful now .

Sorry but I am way more cynical than that. An unintentional bug being exploited would lend itself to being used by entire groups and you would see whole raids running around unkillable or with infinite dodge roll. No. This is always one or two clowns, who for whatever reason seem "God moded" no matter what is thrown their way. I'm no Sherlock but this to me speaks of scripting/hacking.

CyrusArya

God_flakes wrote: »

Two nights ago, Roe Lumber-three AD: Edward with the E that is made with a special key, a level 23 healer and a third guy whose name escapes me now. That level 23 healer had 20 people beating on him as well as a ballista and meatbag and he took zero damage. Sorry, this isn't possible. He kept his buddies alive and none of them took any damage either. We threatened to report them and a few minutes later they all died easily and swiftly. Where there is smoke there is fire.

Looks like you ran into the boys. This sounds like the typical "I can't kill you, so you must exploiting/hacking/scripting/shuffle stacking/macroing/freezing my keyboard" talk you'd expect from a random pug with severe l2p issues. I'm sorry, but I really wouldnt be posting on the forums how my 20 man group couldn't kill a level 23 healer, lmao! How embarrassing...

God_flakes

Oh they died. Rather quickly. Once we threatened to record and report.

Ghostbane

There are plenty of shades of pleb/awesomeness between 'elite' and 'scrub'. Those two words normally mean the same things sometimes.

This isn't the NFL, its PVP in a MMO.

CyrusArya

God_flakes wrote: »

Oh they died. Rather quickly. Once we threatened to record and report.

Yes, I'm sure your threat rattled them to their core. All I'm saying is, in my one year of ESO I've seen only 2 people who I thought were definitely cheating, in contrast to hundreds of examples of myself and people I know being accused of exploiting cus players couldn't grasp how a proxy bomb or animation cancelling works. And I would know if my friends were pulling Blinxey level stunts.

Besides, aren't you the guy who was just the other day complaining bout getting dog piled by 20 people, and now you're talking bout zerging down a non vet healer with 20 people. Inconsistent....

God_flakes

CyrusArya wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Oh they died. Rather quickly. Once we threatened to record and report.

Yes, I'm sure your threat rattled them to their core. All I'm saying is, in my one year of ESO I've seen only 2 people who I thought were definitely cheating, in contrast to hundreds of examples of myself and people I know being accused of exploiting cus players couldn't grasp how a proxy bomb or animation cancelling works. And I would know if my friends were pulling Blinxey level stunts.

Besides, aren't you the guy who was just the other day complaining bout getting dog piled by 20 people, and now you're talking bout zerging down a non vet healer with 20 people. Inconsistent....

Why so angry? Seems I've hit a nerve.

It goes a little like this in ts:

"Hey there are three ad over here not taking any damage, we've been watching pugs fight them for a while"

"Mmmmk a couple guys go take care of them"

A few minutes later...

"Yeah, this is odd. They seem to take zero damage and no apparent movement on their health bar"

"Let's go see what it's all about"

Before you know it more and more people
show up to marvel at the clowns jumping up and down in 100k collective damage from numerous v16's all in impen and we are all in ts saying "yeah not normal"


That's a summary but you get the point. We don't intentionally send 20 to kill a level 23. Please just please. Shaddup.

Derra

Darkestnght wrote: »

I feel like PvP/WAR is controlled by a hand full of elite players conspiring together and taking advantage of others just so they can boost their own rank and egos.

All is fair in war they say however when I see 3 elites players on my side (that I have admired) waiting outside a keep under attack at one of the tents and then a I get killed by an enemy (one of their buddies) as they just stand there, not so cool. Of course they all do there stupid insults. It makes me wonder what is really going on behind the curtains. I now have a whole new perspective on PvP and what trash it really is because of the players themselves.

Some players might follow some kind of code like - not attacking from stealth. Not interfering in a dueling scenario and the likes.

I don´t add 1v1 up to 4v4 fights regardless of who seems to be winning for example. I always assume those people are looking for enjoyable fights regardless of outcome. If i would jump in and kill someone that enjoyable fight just got destroyed and nobody had fun.

Players in general have either no respect or just generally don´t care about their enemies. That´s one of the reasons why pvp is unenjoyable currently.

DaveMoeDee

frozywozy wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

How many of you actually see true cheaters on a regular basis? I saw one of those immortal Templars sit at zero health like...three months ago. I fought and killed Blinxey and Bishop while running around southwest of Ales once over the winter. And I think I saw someone using speed hacks to run around in PvE once a long, long time ago.

In over a year since coming back to the game, these 3 instances are the only times I have seen a player and thought 100% without a doubt "wow, that person is cheating and should be banned."

What else is going on that is so enraging to people?........

I see one person sitting at very low health maybe once a month. I don't think they are cheaters because I don't see them repeatedly. I think they are just a victim of an unwanted bug.

I saw my Templar hit 0 HP repeatedly in one fight but I never died. I almost reported myself.

frozywozy

Derra wrote: »

Darkestnght wrote: »

I feel like PvP/WAR is controlled by a hand full of elite players conspiring together and taking advantage of others just so they can boost their own rank and egos.

All is fair in war they say however when I see 3 elites players on my side (that I have admired) waiting outside a keep under attack at one of the tents and then a I get killed by an enemy (one of their buddies) as they just stand there, not so cool. Of course they all do there stupid insults. It makes me wonder what is really going on behind the curtains. I now have a whole new perspective on PvP and what trash it really is because of the players themselves.

Some players might follow some kind of code like - not attacking from stealth. Not interfering in a dueling scenario and the likes.

I don´t add 1v1 up to 4v4 fights regardless of who seems to be winning for example. I always assume those people are looking for enjoyable fights regardless of outcome. If i would jump in and kill someone that enjoyable fight just got destroyed and nobody had fun.

Players in general have either no respect or just generally don´t care about their enemies. That´s one of the reasons why pvp is unenjoyable currently.

I think it's mostly a lack of manners, education and maturity.

God_flakes

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

How many of you actually see true cheaters on a regular basis? I saw one of those immortal Templars sit at zero health like...three months ago. I fought and killed Blinxey and Bishop while running around southwest of Ales once over the winter. And I think I saw someone using speed hacks to run around in PvE once a long, long time ago.

In over a year since coming back to the game, these 3 instances are the only times I have seen a player and thought 100% without a doubt "wow, that person is cheating and should be banned."

What else is going on that is so enraging to people?........

I see one person sitting at very low health maybe once a month. I don't think they are cheaters because I don't see them repeatedly. I think they are just a victim of an unwanted bug.

I saw my Templar hit 0 HP repeatedly in one fight but I never died. I almost reported myself.

DaveMoeDee

Derra wrote: »

Darkestnght wrote: »

I feel like PvP/WAR is controlled by a hand full of elite players conspiring together and taking advantage of others just so they can boost their own rank and egos.

All is fair in war they say however when I see 3 elites players on my side (that I have admired) waiting outside a keep under attack at one of the tents and then a I get killed by an enemy (one of their buddies) as they just stand there, not so cool. Of course they all do there stupid insults. It makes me wonder what is really going on behind the curtains. I now have a whole new perspective on PvP and what trash it really is because of the players themselves.

Some players might follow some kind of code like - not attacking from stealth. Not interfering in a dueling scenario and the likes.

I don´t add 1v1 up to 4v4 fights regardless of who seems to be winning for example. I always assume those people are looking for enjoyable fights regardless of outcome. If i would jump in and kill someone that enjoyable fight just got destroyed and nobody had fun.

Players in general have either no respect or just generally don´t care about their enemies. That´s one of the reasons why pvp is unenjoyable currently.

If I was in a fight trying to get back to my group after respawning and you passed me by and didn't help, that could lead to my first hate tell.

If I was looking for 1v1, I would play Mortal Combat.

CyrusArya

God_flakes wrote: »

That's a summary but you get the point. We don't intentionally send 20 to kill a level 23. Please just please. Shaddup.

You would want me to shut up for exposing your hypocrisy and zergbad mentality. Just cus you don't understand how something works doesn't mean others are cheating, nor does it justify zerging a lowby down with an organized group if you're truly opposed to that kind of gameplay. If you thought they were exploiting, should've reported em anyways and let ZOS work it out.

Edit: I'm hostile because you specifically called out my friend by name, who I know to be a good and honorable player. If you don't want opposition to your BS, keep it anonymous.

Derra

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Darkestnght wrote: »

I feel like PvP/WAR is controlled by a hand full of elite players conspiring together and taking advantage of others just so they can boost their own rank and egos.

All is fair in war they say however when I see 3 elites players on my side (that I have admired) waiting outside a keep under attack at one of the tents and then a I get killed by an enemy (one of their buddies) as they just stand there, not so cool. Of course they all do there stupid insults. It makes me wonder what is really going on behind the curtains. I now have a whole new perspective on PvP and what trash it really is because of the players themselves.

Some players might follow some kind of code like - not attacking from stealth. Not interfering in a dueling scenario and the likes.

I don´t add 1v1 up to 4v4 fights regardless of who seems to be winning for example. I always assume those people are looking for enjoyable fights regardless of outcome. If i would jump in and kill someone that enjoyable fight just got destroyed and nobody had fun.

Players in general have either no respect or just generally don´t care about their enemies. That´s one of the reasons why pvp is unenjoyable currently.

If I was in a fight trying to get back to my group after respawning and you passed me by and didn't help, that could lead to my first hate tell.

If I was looking for 1v1, I would play Mortal Combat.

I´m taking that chance any day of the week.

I don´t think your fun is more important than someones with a different alliance tag or my own. I would feel dishonored and dirty stabbing someone in the back who´s fighting an honorable fight.
Totally different story when someone attacks you from stealth while you´re on horseback btw - i´ll attack that guy and scare him of (or kill him) until you recovered as i don´t think ganking has anything to do with engaging in entertaining fights.

All in all i rather have my allies be bewildered than my enemies. They can´t put a knife in my back in return.

God_flakes

CyrusArya wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

That's a summary but you get the point. We don't intentionally send 20 to kill a level 23. Please just please. Shaddup.

You would want me to shut up for exposing your hypocrisy and zergbad mentality. Just cus you don't understand how something works doesn't mean others are cheating, nor does it justify zerging a lowby down with an organized group if you're truly opposed to that kind of gameplay. If you thought they were exploiting, should've reported em anyways and let ZOS work it out.

Edit: I'm hostile because you specifically called out my friend by name, who I know to be a good and honorable player. If you don't want opposition to your BS, keep it anonymous.

You're not exposing anything but your own defensiveness.

And just so we are clear: in the 2 years I've played this game I've only ever openly accused one player of blatantly exploiting. He was also AD and he was banned for exploiting a while ago. I don't accuse flippantly. What I witnessed at Roe lum by your "honorable" friend was exactly what I've seen before.