I'm so tired of being a goodie-goodie...

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

General request to the humans:

Now, obviously, I am THE ignoramus.
Coming from Jupiter, I have tried in the past 46 years, to understand your ways.
Indeed, I have learned... nothing.

This is what puzzles me this time: Apparently, it is OK to give children (toy) weapons, dolls which one can dismember, games in which someone can drive a car over a group of people, or where you can blow someone's head off, splashing the victim's brain allover the place, hell, let's give them INTERNET!

But then, being myself, when I ask to add a tiny bit of evil to what actually is, a phantasy game... BIIIIG no-no.

Could someone please be so kind to explain the logic behind this?
Since, this fool fails to again, indeed, understand...

Thank you very much.

a confuzzeled Samurai.

LadyNalcarya

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

General request to the humans:

Now, obviously, I am THE ignoramus.
Coming from Jupiter, I have tried in the past 46 years, to understand your ways.
Indeed, I have learned... nothing.

This is what puzzles me this time: Apparently, it is OK to give children (toy) weapons, dolls which one can dismember, games in which someone can drive a car over a group of people, or where you can blow someone's head off, splashing the victim's brain allover the place, hell, let's give them INTERNET!

But then, being myself, when I ask to add a tiny bit of evil to what actually is, a phantasy game... BIIIIG no-no.

Could someone please be so kind to explain the logic behind this?
Since, this fool fails to again, indeed, understand...

Thank you very much.

a confuzzeled Samurai.

Thing is, TES has always been on heroic fantasy side, not dark fantasy. There were some darker quests, like Namira's and Boethia's quests in Skyrim, but generally you're saving the world from destruction.
Its not about judging your tastes, its just how these series are. ESO is not different - you have TG and will have DB, but generally you're a hero.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Yes, I am fully aware of that.
But think of this:
Star Wars games were always about you being a goodie-goodie.
Later, they introduced playable Sith.

Now, evil is part of this realm, if I am not mistaken?

So...
Why can't it be playable?
Where's my freedom to go against the stream?
Where is my ability to be a person in what is a role playing game?
Hell, what is role Play without evil?


Now, I'm still stuck on my question though.

natewook

well I have to say, being mr, goody two shoes all the time does get old. but, KoshkaMurka has a point.

Rohamad_Ali

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

I'm fairly certain Stephen King doesn't wish horrible nightmarish murders on people but he still writes about it . As long as it doesn't break any code of conduct or disturb the TOS ( remember op we have nice kids that play here too ) , then it's within his rights to ask for something he thinks is cool .

That said , I highly doubt the team here will allow anything lore breaking . The new Dark Brotherhood is by my guess as Dark as ESO TU will probably get .

Game is rated M.

Let's keep the kids on their games and keep them off the adult games please.

I wish that were really true . It's not and especially on the forums . There are MANY adult conversations you can't have here unless you want to lose your posting privileges . I'd say a more accurate rating would be PG-13 .

GreySix

Meh, just make a pure PvP server with no holds-barred - towns burnable and all NPCs and players killable ... including permanent death for players who dare log on (your character dies, lose all, and its back to the character creation screen).

That'd draw plenty of evil-type inner-psychopaths.

Rohamad_Ali

GreySix wrote: »

Meh, just make a pure PvP server with no holds-barred - towns burnable and all NPCs and players killable ... including permanent death for players who dare log on (your character dies, lose all, and its back to the character creation screen).

That'd draw plenty of evil-type inner-psychopaths.

Sounds fun .

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

GreySix wrote: »

Meh, just make a pure PvP server with no holds-barred - towns burnable and all NPCs and players killable ... including permanent death for players who dare log on (your character dies, lose all, and its back to the character creation screen).

That'd draw plenty of evil-type inner-psychopaths.

That be mere PvP.
No story, no goal, no evil.
Just a heap of slightly very dead people.
Hence I suggested an open RP server.

Aside, can't one become a hero, and still be utterly evil?


Back to my question on top of this page: could someone enlighten this paradox to me?

stewhead2ub17_ESO

1.

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Bring us an Evil DLC, something truly evil, mad, sadistic....

That'd be the Dark Brotherhood DLC, where you murder innocents for fun and gold.
Coming out in a few weeks!

*I'm not sure the DB is about murdering for "fun"...just sayin

2.'

NateAssassin wrote: »

I want to be an edgy emo with a skeleton arm, and I want to be able to cry tears of blood and eat limps off my victims

* "limps off my victims"?? It's LIMBS!!

3. "What do you want them to do, make a new crafting station for creating snuff films?"

* This made me literally lmfao!

stewhead2ub17_ESO

As an admitted altoholic I have some char's that are good, some neutral, and some that tend towards the "evil" side. None are simply homicidal maniacs with a thirst for the blood of innocents. I would welcome some darker choices for my more malevolent toons, much in the way SWTOR offers choices.

natewook

dudes, this is not the first time a thread like this has gone up, I mean look at this https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/193736/should-eso-turn-up-the-heat-aka-gore-revisited/p1
just wanted to let you know

Lord_Draevan

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

1.

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Bring us an Evil DLC, something truly evil, mad, sadistic....

That'd be the Dark Brotherhood DLC, where you murder innocents for fun and gold.
Coming out in a few weeks!

*I'm not sure the DB is about murdering for "fun"...just sayin

Not their main goal, but there's no way there aren't members who enjoy their work ;D

dem0n1k

Most of the regular game isn't exactly "Hero" stuff... like regular mobs... you see them, they don't see you, you attack without warning & kill them before they can get up. JUDGE JURY EXECUTIONER! They had a red outline.. they were asking for it! Then you loot the corpses, even bothering to carve out any worms or crawlers. Then you go through all their sacks & chests & steal it all to sell later for gold. You're a monster!

Necrelios

It does get a little boring having to play hero all the time. I started an "evil" character a while back and instead of having any real quests or in-game options to be truly evil other than just running around causing general mischief and racking up a bounty, you pretty much just have to roleplay it into your own story. Evil isn't something you can really pin down in just one or more actions, it's not so much something you do, it's something you are which doesn't work if everywhere you go you are heralded as some big hero just like everybody else in the game.

I think with the Personalities collectibles coming in with Dark Brotherhood this could open the door to more "evil." Perhaps if they made it so it placed NPC's in a separate voice and reactions faction so instead of heralding and congratulating us for are heroic deeds they would scream and scramble in doors when equipping our Personality.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

@Necrelios Oh, I fully agree.
I'd like to see some quests which are evil, or existing quests with an evil option.
As said before, killing a heap of people is not quite evil, sure, it's also not very nice to do, but that's hardly evil.

For NPC's: I'd like them to react on me being a Vampire (in some time a Lizard WW, just for the heck of it), showing fear, run away, call guards, I mean... well... I just like to 'feel' evil.
Taste it (literally), lol.

Here's something silly: Daedra taste darned nice.
But, no matter what my Vampire does, he can not feed from them.
Otherwise, he can feed on Dwarven Constructs???
I'm not quite sure, but:
A) This can't be very good for your teeth
b) the taste of their... oil... is simply not attractive to me.
Call me a wuss.
But no thank you, I'm not THAT hardcore.

Aside, the side taste of copper... bah.

ArchMikem

I'mma go ahead and get the people with the straitjackets ready while providing you all with a list of nearby Therapists.

The Vestige is a Savior, not the Devil. You want to express your inner Evil then go on Steam and play Hatred.

Rohamad_Ali

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'mma go ahead and get the people with the straitjackets ready while providing you all with a list of nearby Therapists.

The Vestige is a Savior, not the Devil. You want to express your inner Evil then go on Steam and play Hatred.

Hatred you say . Is it good ?

ArchMikem

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Hatred you say . Is it good ?

Wouldn't know, I refuse to even touch it.

Lord_Draevan

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'mma go ahead and get the people with the straitjackets ready while providing you all with a list of nearby Therapists.

The Vestige is a Savior, not the Devil. You want to express your inner Evil then go on Steam and play Hatred.

Hatred you say . Is it good ?

From what I heard it was pretty average. But it sold well enough that the company that made it is making another game: ISIS Defense, where you play as a European defending Europe against ISIS which has conquered the Middle East and Africa :P

Rohamad_Ali

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'mma go ahead and get the people with the straitjackets ready while providing you all with a list of nearby Therapists.

The Vestige is a Savior, not the Devil. You want to express your inner Evil then go on Steam and play Hatred.

Hatred you say . Is it good ?

From what I heard it was pretty average. But it sold well enough that the company that made it is making another game: ISIS Defense, where you play as a European defending Europe against ISIS which has conquered the Middle East and Africa :P

Just watched the trailer . Bought it . I'm good on Evil stuff . Thanks guys !

LadyNalcarya

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Yes, I am fully aware of that.
But think of this:
Star Wars games were always about you being a goodie-goodie.
Later, they introduced playable Sith.

Now, evil is part of this realm, if I am not mistaken?

So...
Why can't it be playable?
Where's my freedom to go against the stream?
Where is my ability to be a person in what is a role playing game?
Hell, what is role Play without evil?


Now, I'm still stuck on my question though.

Well, if you were able to side with this game's antagonists, the planet Nirn would be dragged into Oblivion and twisted for Molag Bal's wishes, which would kinda destroy the future of the series.
Or take Skyrim for example. Should Thalmor win, the creation would me un-made, as their ultimate goal is no to rule everything, they want to return the universe to its initial state. It is also speculated that last Dragonborn might be a Shezarrine so participating this would be a bit weird. Should Alduin win... Well, the next calpa begins I guess.
That being said, I agree that roleplay-wise latest TES games do not provide much freedom. They're more like action-rpgs anyway. Though would be really interesting to see any ideas how dark side could be realistically implemented and discuss it

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Aside, can't one become a hero, and still be utterly evil?

In TES series you kinda are. You are building a stairway to heaven with corpses of your enemies, so to speak.

LadyNalcarya

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'mma go ahead and get the people with the straitjackets ready while providing you all with a list of nearby Therapists.

The Vestige is a Savior, not the Devil. You want to express your inner Evil then go on Steam and play Hatred.

Hatred you say . Is it good ?

From what I heard it was pretty average. But it sold well enough that the company that made it is making another game: ISIS Defense, where you play as a European defending Europe against ISIS which has conquered the Middle East and Africa :P

From what I've heard its pretty clunky and not really well-made, their main selling point was Postal-like hype anyway.

Rohamad_Ali

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'mma go ahead and get the people with the straitjackets ready while providing you all with a list of nearby Therapists.

The Vestige is a Savior, not the Devil. You want to express your inner Evil then go on Steam and play Hatred.

Hatred you say . Is it good ?

From what I heard it was pretty average. But it sold well enough that the company that made it is making another game: ISIS Defense, where you play as a European defending Europe against ISIS which has conquered the Middle East and Africa :P

From what I've heard its pretty clunky and not really well-made, their main selling point was Postal-like hype anyway.

I'll let ya know first hand but let's not derail this guys thread . I come to ESO for happy semi evil fun times and no games gonna take me away from here . But I respect his opinion .

Edit to add "Played it 1 hour" Hilariously Evil . Very fun so far . But got my fill an re logged into ESO . Good buy for evil game play likers . I'll play when this games patching or maintenances .

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

What if the Gods decide to fight evil with another evil?
One does fight fire with fire, so...

Even being an antagonist to Tamriel, one could still become a hero.
A hero is nothing more than a man being on the wrong spot, on the wrong moment, deciding to do something extremely silly.... and get away with that.
A proverbial Daemon this could be, if he met the requirements.

dodgehopper_ESO

Ironically, I'm wondering where the heroic content is. Even defeating molag bal is pretty self-serving. Fighters Guild are a bunch of dirty mercenaries, mages guild commune with daedra, thieves guild rob people, and db murders people for coin. What in the hell are you talking about this game is too heroic?

LadyNalcarya

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

What if the Gods decide to fight evil with another evil?
One does fight fire with fire, so...

Even being an antagonist to Tamriel, one could still become a hero.
A hero is nothing more than a man being on the wrong spot, on the wrong moment, deciding to do something extremely silly.... and get away with that.
A proverbial Daemon this could be, if he met the requirements.

Isnt that what we already have?
I mean, I agree that dialogue choices are poor etc, but the real motivation of your character is up to you. Roleplay heavily relies on one's imagination anyway. You can expand it further by joining RP guild of your preference and, well, roleplay the missing parts.

Some things, like quest choices, are a bit restricted by the genre of the game - I dont think its remotely possible to add all possible variants, and it would restrict roleplayers as well, as their world instance would depend on their quest decisions, and those will obviously be different for different people. Imo not seeing other players in such locations would suck.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, in previous TES titles you end up as a great hero anyway... Even if you're in DB and TG and have killed half of the country's population. There are some interesting mods, like Chaos Heart for Morrowind (it a Russian mod though, not sure if its available in other languages. Basically it allows the player to join House Dagoth and changes gameplay drastically), but in general we're still saving the world.
And there's not that many video games where you play as a "dark side" character, and mostly they're parodies, like this or this one. Maybe you've played this one already, but if you havent, I strongly recommend it. That's one of the most immersive PC RPGs imo. And here's another interesting "dark side" game... Dark Souls is another really immersive dark fantasy game, but probably you wont like it.

Well Dawnguard on the Vampire side is probably the most evil you can be ingame for anygame in ES, you end up with the power to block out the sun and nothing good can come about for the mortal population when that happens.

Lynx7386

Let me guess, you want to wake up in your evil inn, and stroll on downstairs to be greeted by your evil minions who have prepared for you a most evil breakfast of evil eggs, evil pancakes, and evil orange juice. Then, once you've had your fill of evil food, you want to go out into your evil town, where you can converse with evil peasants and even more evil lords, before riding off into the evil sunset on your evil horse adorned with your evil plate armor and evil greatsword?

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

@Lynx7386 Well, that would certainly be an evil step in the right-evil direction.

Bonzodog01

This game does not so much have real evil incorporated into it (yet!), but something along those lines is coming...

"When the great gates of Sotha Sil's Clockwork city are opened...."

Mephala and Mehrunes Dagon are coming. A war in Oblivion.

The rest of the game...well the main story quests are mostly heroic deeds, but the majority of the side quests have choices, and you can choose to side with Daedra in some of them. The DC Bealborne rock quest is a classic example. Choose to keep the curse, side with the daedra protecting the castle, and the main quest giver commits suicide. Yeah, thats kind of evil.

Plus, in Coldharbor, you can help the dremora get revenge for her tribe being killed.

But mostly, lots and lots of criminal mis-deeds, and choosing to let NPC's die rather than you saving their life. Moral choices.

Hell, at the beginning, on my wood elf thief, I "saved" the king, then proceeded to clean his castle out of anything worth selling. He goes around saving peoples lives when he has to (he'll choose death over life where possible), but does not hesitate for one second to clean their homes of all known valuables.

Yes, my wood elf thief is criminal scum.