Failing Maelstrom over and over

prax07

Don't see how anything I said was rude. I wasn't asking for build help, I wasn't asking about gear, I was asking about how to get past one level. Moot point now as I've given up on ever attempting maelstrom again. Back to grinding overcrowded rkindaleft.

ScarlettCrush

They are telling you, that to get past this level you need to use different skills and maybe wear different gear.
You are telling them you won't do anything differently even though you asked for help...like you don't really want the help at all.

Alot of end game content will require you to use different skills to suit the dungeon. Some dungeons (trials especially) you cannot use your pets BC they confuse the mechanics, steal your teammates buffs, aggro mobs before the team is ready & wipe your squad.

If you are locked into one way only, end game is going to be frustrating for you.
If you want to get to v16 & play that level this is the feedback every group will give you.
If your dps remains weak there are many trials, dungeons & content you won't be able to finish. You will miss out on half the game.
High dps will make you a popular person to group with. You will easily conquer end game materials & always be invited to WGT runs/trials. You get the good drops & gold rewards like a boss.
Low dps will keep you at scrub level frustration. No one will group with you more than twice BC higher dps will be all around. No sweet loot or set drops, no gold stuff to brag about.
Choose your path wisely.

Beardimus

The answers are in this thread fella. Sure some people can be a little short but the help is all here.

Check the build recommendations, crashing shock to interrupt the middle troll, then DPS like mad on the last boss. What I sometimes do is change islands alot, if you stay on one a while he smashes it up, sometimes you can get him to follow before he wipes one out.

But really the issue is not the mechanic, it's your DPS. If you can go bat sh!t crazy on the boss asap using all the sigils you can get it done.

prax07

ScarlettCrush wrote: »

They are telling you, that to get past this level you need to use different skills and maybe wear different gear.
You are telling them you won't do anything differently even though you asked for help...like you don't really want the help at all.

Alot of end game content will require you to use different skills to suit the dungeon. Some dungeons (trials especially) you cannot use your pets BC they confuse the mechanics, steal your teammates buffs, aggro mobs before the team is ready & wipe your squad.

If you are locked into one way only, end game is going to be frustrating for you.
If you want to get to v16 & play that level this is the feedback every group will give you.
If your dps remains weak there are many trials, dungeons & content you won't be able to finish. You will miss out on half the game.
High dps will make you a popular person to group with. You will easily conquer end game materials & always be invited to WGT runs/trials. You get the good drops & gold rewards like a boss.
Low dps will keep you at scrub level frustration. No one will group with you more than twice BC higher dps will be all around. No sweet loot or set drops, no gold stuff to brag about.
Choose your path wisely.

Yes, that's all well and good, but I have zero interest in any group content so I don't really care about being the best for groups and being popular for grouped content. The only question I had was how to stay alive once the safety islands went away. It's been answered, and two pages about how bad my character setup is and how bad my gear is isn't helping anything.

kargen27

If your goal is simply XP then maelstrom isn't where you need to be. You get low XP considering the time it takes to go through for most players. It took me forever to get through Maelstrom my first time (I got stuck at a different stage) and a good long time through each other time I did it simply because I don't want to tweak my build to make the run more efficient. Was my choice as it is yours. I'm all for playing the way you want but realize some things are just going to take forever or you won't be able to do them at all.
That aside if XP is your goal you should be doing the daily random dungeon. That alone is 100K+ XP each day. 2nd run will give you 30K XP and if you run normal instead of vet you can usually get through fairly quick. You can also do the dailies in Wrothgar and Cyradiil. Also hit any delves you haven't already done. It isn't the fastest way to get XP but isn't near as boring as just grinding a spot. THe XP you get doing the dailies isn't bad and if you get in with the WB group just as the Wroothgar dailies roll over you get them all in about 40 minutes.

I would suggest trying Maelstrom later when the goal isn't anything other than finishing Maelstrom that way it will not be so frustrating. For most of us Maelstrom is just going to be time consuming and a bit irritating. We need content like that though just to keep things interesting.

OrphanHelgen

prax07 wrote: »

ScarlettCrush wrote: »

They are telling you, that to get past this level you need to use different skills and maybe wear different gear.
You are telling them you won't do anything differently even though you asked for help...like you don't really want the help at all.

Alot of end game content will require you to use different skills to suit the dungeon. Some dungeons (trials especially) you cannot use your pets BC they confuse the mechanics, steal your teammates buffs, aggro mobs before the team is ready & wipe your squad.

If you are locked into one way only, end game is going to be frustrating for you.
If you want to get to v16 & play that level this is the feedback every group will give you.
If your dps remains weak there are many trials, dungeons & content you won't be able to finish. You will miss out on half the game.
High dps will make you a popular person to group with. You will easily conquer end game materials & always be invited to WGT runs/trials. You get the good drops & gold rewards like a boss.
Low dps will keep you at scrub level frustration. No one will group with you more than twice BC higher dps will be all around. No sweet loot or set drops, no gold stuff to brag about.
Choose your path wisely.

Yes, that's all well and good, but I have zero interest in any group content so I don't really care about being the best for groups and being popular for grouped content. The only question I had was how to stay alive once the safety islands went away. It's been answered, and two pages about how bad my character setup is and how bad my gear is isn't helping anything.

If you have zero interests in changing gear and skill setup, why did you write it in the first place if you say it doesnt matter?
You write a long post about help, but dont wanna youtube, dont wanna change.
Insanity are doing the same things over and over and expect different results.
I would say your attitude are a bigger problem then your ice stage right now.

Dagoth_Rac

You will never run out of islands as long as you kill the trolls that smash islands. If a troll smashes an island, it is over. Might as well just die and start round over.

Basically, the boss smashes islands at certain health levels (until the last island). If adds appear, kill them and forget about the boss. You'll still need to avoid her attacks, but do not continue to attack her. If you do, she'll reach a lowered health level that just calls more adds or smashes an island.

Basic strategy:
1). Attack boss.
2). Adds appear - stop attacking boss and kill adds. Trolls are top priority.
3). Once adds are dead, back to attacking boss.
4). When she flashes red, Bolt Escape to another island.
5). Smashed island usually releases a Nereid. Kill that. Back to Step 1 and repeat.

Leave the island with 2 sigils as last island. That last island is a DPS race. She will smash it after a certain period of time, not based on her health. So having those two sigils available will aid you in burning her as fast as possible before she smashes that final island.

Also, you are running this on normal, right? You should be running on normal, not vet, even if you are a vet character. Vet Maelstrom is for VR16 with 300+ Champion Points and great gear and a great build with top-notch DPS + survivability.

Also, you do not get 40 bonus CP for being VR16, per se. You get 2.5 bonus CP per VR. And with all of Cadwell's Gold being max level with Dark Brotherhood, there will be a lot more places to grind in Dark Brotherhood. You will not be limited to only Orsinium, as it is now. You'll have an extra 5 full zones to grind. So even if you are only VR8 and only get 20 bonus CP, you should make up that "lost" 20 CP really fast with so many places to grind. Especially if you put on some gear with the Training trait on it. Training will increase all XP in Dark Brotherhood, not just XP toward that particular weapon or armor type.

prax07

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

You will never run out of islands as long as you kill the trolls that smash islands. If a troll smashes an island, it is over. Might as well just die and start round over.

Basically, the boss smashes islands at certain health levels (until the last island). If adds appear, kill them and forget about the boss. You'll still need to avoid her attacks, but do not continue to attack her. If you do, she'll reach a lowered health level that just calls more adds or smashes an island.

Basic strategy:
1). Attack boss.
2). Adds appear - stop attacking boss and kill adds. Trolls are top priority.
3). Once adds are dead, back to attacking boss.
4). When she flashes red, Bolt Escape to another island.
5). Smashed island usually releases a Nereid. Kill that. Back to Step 1 and repeat.

Leave the island with 2 sigils as last island. That last island is a DPS race. She will smash it after a certain period of time, not based on her health. So having those two sigils available will aid you in burning her as fast as possible before she smashes that final island.

Also, you are running this on normal, right? You should be running on normal, not vet, even if you are a vet character. Vet Maelstrom is for VR16 with 300+ Champion Points and great gear and a great build with top-notch DPS + survivability.

Also, you do not get 40 bonus CP for being VR16, per se. You get 2.5 bonus CP per VR. And with all of Cadwell's Gold being max level with Dark Brotherhood, there will be a lot more places to grind in Dark Brotherhood. You will not be limited to only Orsinium, as it is now. You'll have an extra 5 full zones to grind. So even if you are only VR8 and only get 20 bonus CP, you should make up that "lost" 20 CP really fast with so many places to grind. Especially if you put on some gear with the Training trait on it. Training will increase all XP in Dark Brotherhood, not just XP toward that particular weapon or armor type.

Yep, was running it on normal.

The wording on the DB info page says vr16 players get an additional bonus of 40 cp on top of the other changes. And that anyone not vr16 should hurry up and get to vr16. So I'm taking that as an additional 40 cp on top of that 2.5 cp per vr level.

code65536

prax07 wrote: »

The wording on the DB info page says vr16 players get an additional bonus of 40 cp on top of the other changes. And that anyone not vr16 should hurry up and get to vr16. So I'm taking that as an additional 40 cp on top of that 2.5 cp per vr level.

No. That was just an example: If you are VR16, then your bonus is 16*2.5=40CP. You do not get a bonus 40CP on top of 2.5*VR.

prax07

Ugh...still feel like I need to be vr16 regardless if I read that incorrectly. Past experiences tell me any changes devs claim will be fair and benefit everyone never actually do.

code65536

prax07 wrote: »

Ugh...still feel like I need to be vr16 regardless if I read that incorrectly. Past experiences tell me any changes devs claim will be fair and benefit everyone never actually do.

When I logged onto the PTS, I got only 40 bonus CP. It is as advertised.

prax07

No, I meant about what other folks in this thread are saying about how much easier it's going to be to get those cp points after DB hits. There's no monetary reason for the devs to make things easier. Every other time in other games things were "improved", it was biased into trying to make the players spend more money, not make things easier on the players.

DRXHarbinger

BTW the way if you can't get past round 5 with your set up you have no chance of killing crem guards before they cremate you. 1 crem guard has about the same amount of health as runa does on the final platform...only with runa you don't have NBs stunning you / wrecking your armour or a boss chucking huge knock down skulls with environmental aoes running you down...there is also the crystal phase which needs to be done fast... I know you say you just want to get past round 5 but tbh is there any point in doing half a job to ask the same stuff again, round 6 boss is an even harder dps race than 5.

prax07

I already said I give up on ever doing maelstrom again...