Content for Tanks

Verathragna

It seems like the game only focuses on adding things for dps. Take Maelstrom arena for example, I can get to the same point on vet or Normal with my Tank, The stage with all the ice platforms and the giant lady. I can take the damage from the adds and the boss all day but I can't do enough damage fast enough to kill the boss before she breaks all the platforms which leaves me with no options but death. It's clearly designed for dps. I just want something I can do on my tank.

Rune_Relic

Ah man! Now look at the can of worms you just opened up

Verathragna

Let there be worms! Maelstrom is impossible on tanks.

Kupoking

^ agreed

hydrocynus

Actually of all the stages that one to me is the least of a dps race.

Verathragna

Idk, I haven't been past it but I know that compared to all the ones before it, it's the only one where you just plain die after a set amount of time. I can't speak for the stages after it.

idk

works best to put dps gear on and of course dps skills To increase your dps.

Zos cannot make it so lower dps can clear it easily as that would take all challenge out of it. Basically a huge nerf.

Please, no

Miszou

How about adding mobs that reflect damage?

DPS will destroy themselves on it, but tanks and healers can whittle it down slowly.

Just a thought...

Dubhliam

Verathragna wrote: »

Let there be worms! Maelstrom is impossible on tanks.

Let's just be clear on one thing: tank is a role in the trinity system. Being a solo tank in PvE is like eating a hamburger without the meat and vegetables. Yes, you CAN eat only the bread roll, but don't expect it to be tasty.

If it was possible to beat vMA on a tanking spec, everyone would be doing it.
Because it would be easier. No skill required, only time.

I am a dedicated tank, have a DK, sorc and NB tanks.
Yet when I go to vMA I spec for damage. That is just how things are.

I do agree there should be more content that requires tanks.
But the way to do it is not to make every aspect of the game beatable in Heavy Armor.

Tanks would be more viable if ZOS introduced a "Nightmare" mode for group dungeons.
Seeing as WGT and ICP will get a hard nerf, the Nightmare mode would be as hard as those dungeons when they came out last year. You did not see anyone try to beat them without a tank. And I would love to see anyone try to beat Nightmare mode veteran Wayrest Sewers without a tank.

Ch4mpTW

Dubhliam wrote: »

Verathragna wrote: »

Let there be worms! Maelstrom is impossible on tanks.

Let's just be clear on one thing: tank is a role in the trinity system. Being a solo tank in PvE is like eating a hamburger without the meat and vegetables. Yes, you CAN eat only the bread roll, but don't expect it to be tasty.

If it was possible to beat vMA on a tanking spec, everyone would be doing it.
Because it would be easier. No skill required, only time.

I am a dedicated tank, have a DK, sorc and NB tanks.
Yet when I go to vMA I spec for damage. That is just how things are.

I do agree there should be more content that requires tanks.
But the way to do it is not to make every aspect of the game beatable in Heavy Armor.

Tanks would be more viable if ZOS introduced a "Nightmare" mode.
Seeing as WGT and ICP will get a hard nerf, the Nightmare mode would be as hard as those dungeons when they came out last year. You did not see anyone try to beat them without a tank. And I would love to see anyone try to beat Nightmare mode veteran Wayrest Sewers without a tank.

Don't get me wrong. You raised numerous valid points in your post, but damn... A hamburger with vegetables? That exists? Really...?

Dubhliam

Verathragna wrote: »

Idk, I haven't been past it but I know that compared to all the ones before it, it's the only one where you just plain die after a set amount of time. I can't speak for the stages after it.

I haven't tried beating vMA in HA, but I can assure you it is not a DPS check (apart from the execute phase).
The boss breaks one platform on a certain health percentage (I think 75%). Then the second on another health percentage (I think 50%).
At that point it becomes a DPS race.
If you slot some execute skills, save your ultimate and take the Sigil of Power, I guarantee it is beatable even in Heavy Armor.

I would not recommend it to anyone though.

Dubhliam

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Verathragna wrote: »

Let there be worms! Maelstrom is impossible on tanks.

Let's just be clear on one thing: tank is a role in the trinity system. Being a solo tank in PvE is like eating a hamburger without the meat and vegetables. Yes, you CAN eat only the bread roll, but don't expect it to be tasty.

If it was possible to beat vMA on a tanking spec, everyone would be doing it.
Because it would be easier. No skill required, only time.

I am a dedicated tank, have a DK, sorc and NB tanks.
Yet when I go to vMA I spec for damage. That is just how things are.

I do agree there should be more content that requires tanks.
But the way to do it is not to make every aspect of the game beatable in Heavy Armor.

Tanks would be more viable if ZOS introduced a "Nightmare" mode.
Seeing as WGT and ICP will get a hard nerf, the Nightmare mode would be as hard as those dungeons when they came out last year. You did not see anyone try to beat them without a tank. And I would love to see anyone try to beat Nightmare mode veteran Wayrest Sewers without a tank.

Don't get me wrong. You raised numerous valid points in your post, but damn... A hamburger with vegetables? That exists? Really...?

Wikipedia: Hamburger

Hamburgers are often served with cheese, lettuce, tomato, bacon, onion, pickles, and condiments such as mustard, mayonnaise, ketchup, relish, and chiles

code65536

Someone linked me a video of a guy completing vMA in heavy armor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-cf2Erf5GY

hydrocynus

Dubhliam wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Verathragna wrote: »

Let there be worms! Maelstrom is impossible on tanks.

Let's just be clear on one thing: tank is a role in the trinity system. Being a solo tank in PvE is like eating a hamburger without the meat and vegetables. Yes, you CAN eat only the bread roll, but don't expect it to be tasty.

If it was possible to beat vMA on a tanking spec, everyone would be doing it.
Because it would be easier. No skill required, only time.

I am a dedicated tank, have a DK, sorc and NB tanks.
Yet when I go to vMA I spec for damage. That is just how things are.

I do agree there should be more content that requires tanks.
But the way to do it is not to make every aspect of the game beatable in Heavy Armor.

Tanks would be more viable if ZOS introduced a "Nightmare" mode.
Seeing as WGT and ICP will get a hard nerf, the Nightmare mode would be as hard as those dungeons when they came out last year. You did not see anyone try to beat them without a tank. And I would love to see anyone try to beat Nightmare mode veteran Wayrest Sewers without a tank.

Don't get me wrong. You raised numerous valid points in your post, but damn... A hamburger with vegetables? That exists? Really...?

Wikipedia: Hamburger

Hamburgers are often served with cheese, lettuce, tomato, bacon, onion, pickles, and condiments such as mustard, mayonnaise, ketchup, relish, and chiles

They are also often served in McDonald's, which just goes to show that often they are junk.

lonewolf26

I cleared Vet Maelstrom on my tank, a stamblade. Though he was wearing his DPS gear at the time.

sirrmattus

I think you will be happy after dB update

Ch4mpTW

Dubhliam wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Verathragna wrote: »

Let there be worms! Maelstrom is impossible on tanks.

Let's just be clear on one thing: tank is a role in the trinity system. Being a solo tank in PvE is like eating a hamburger without the meat and vegetables. Yes, you CAN eat only the bread roll, but don't expect it to be tasty.

If it was possible to beat vMA on a tanking spec, everyone would be doing it.
Because it would be easier. No skill required, only time.

I am a dedicated tank, have a DK, sorc and NB tanks.
Yet when I go to vMA I spec for damage. That is just how things are.

I do agree there should be more content that requires tanks.
But the way to do it is not to make every aspect of the game beatable in Heavy Armor.

Tanks would be more viable if ZOS introduced a "Nightmare" mode.
Seeing as WGT and ICP will get a hard nerf, the Nightmare mode would be as hard as those dungeons when they came out last year. You did not see anyone try to beat them without a tank. And I would love to see anyone try to beat Nightmare mode veteran Wayrest Sewers without a tank.

Don't get me wrong. You raised numerous valid points in your post, but damn... A hamburger with vegetables? That exists? Really...?

Wikipedia: Hamburger

Hamburgers are often served with cheese, lettuce, tomato, bacon, onion, pickles, and condiments such as mustard, mayonnaise, ketchup, relish, and chiles

Damn, I forgot those count as vegetables. LOL! I'm sorry, I'm half-asleep right now.

MisterBastahrd

Dubhliam wrote: »

Verathragna wrote: »

Let there be worms! Maelstrom is impossible on tanks.

Let's just be clear on one thing: tank is a role in the trinity system. Being a solo tank in PvE is like eating a hamburger without the meat and vegetables. Yes, you CAN eat only the bread roll, but don't expect it to be tasty.

If it was possible to beat vMA on a tanking spec, everyone would be doing it.
Because it would be easier. No skill required, only time.

I am a dedicated tank, have a DK, sorc and NB tanks.
Yet when I go to vMA I spec for damage. That is just how things are.

I do agree there should be more content that requires tanks.
But the way to do it is not to make every aspect of the game beatable in Heavy Armor.

Tanks would be more viable if ZOS introduced a "Nightmare" mode for group dungeons.
Seeing as WGT and ICP will get a hard nerf, the Nightmare mode would be as hard as those dungeons when they came out last year. You did not see anyone try to beat them without a tank. And I would love to see anyone try to beat Nightmare mode veteran Wayrest Sewers without a tank.

That's cute. A magicka sorc is nothing more than a light armor tank with high DPS to boot.

Dubhliam

code65536 wrote: »

Someone linked me a video of a guy completing vMA in heavy armor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-cf2Erf5GY

Absolutely sexy.
Makes me want to try it.

Rune_Relic

I am sure they could work around it if they had 'tank only' skills

Resipsa131

Verathragna wrote: »

It seems like the game only focuses on adding things for dps. Take Maelstrom arena for example, I can get to the same point on vet or Normal with my Tank, The stage with all the ice platforms and the giant lady. I can take the damage from the adds and the boss all day but I can't do enough damage fast enough to kill the boss before she breaks all the platforms which leaves me with no options but death. It's clearly designed for dps. I just want something I can do on my tank.

She breaks the platforms on a DPS basis stop DPSing the boss and she wont blow up the platform, the adds will keep spawning though

Oompuh

I don't think the problem is Maelstrom. You need all 3 to be viable in there. Heals, Tankiness, and DPS. But..... a light armor full DPS build can do all 3. Building for maelstrom is the same as building for DPS which is a problem with the game as a whole

Guppet

Resipsa131 wrote: »

Verathragna wrote: »

It seems like the game only focuses on adding things for dps. Take Maelstrom arena for example, I can get to the same point on vet or Normal with my Tank, The stage with all the ice platforms and the giant lady. I can take the damage from the adds and the boss all day but I can't do enough damage fast enough to kill the boss before she breaks all the platforms which leaves me with no options but death. It's clearly designed for dps. I just want something I can do on my tank.

She breaks the platforms on a DPS basis stop DPSing the boss and she wont blow up the platform, the adds will keep spawning though

Except on the last platform, where you have to take her remaining 50% health before she destroys the platform. So yes it is a dps race, but only for the final 50% health.

Verathragna

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

works best to put dps gear on and of course dps skills To increase your dps.

Zos cannot make it so lower dps can clear it easily as that would take all challenge out of it. Basically a huge nerf.

Please, no

I didn't mean nerf maelstrom I meant add something meant for tanks. Like something you need a ton of resist to get through.

Verathragna

I mean, I'm a heavy armor NB tank. I swapped to heavy Julianos a while back. And I have more cp by a considerable amount since the last time I tried. But I just feel like it would still end in disaster. Also I didn't mean to nerf existing content to make it easily beatable for tanks I just meant add something that's difficult for those who aren't tanks like Maelstrom is for those who aren't dps. Maybe like an arena with bosses that do crazy 1 shotting damage you have to be a tank to survive. Obviously have mechanics to make it where you can't just stand there and take it till you slowly win. Not sure exactly how it would need to be done but I'm sure something could be made.

shepardTHEweak

only took me 7 hours to do it on a non dps (1500 weapon damage ) tank...i wouldn't do it again tho never mind on veteren ..unless some one is offering to pay me a lot of cash lol

code65536

Oompuh wrote: »

I don't think the problem is Maelstrom. You need all 3 to be viable in there. Heals, Tankiness, and DPS. But..... a light armor full DPS build can do all 3. Building for maelstrom is the same as building for DPS which is a problem with the game as a whole

It's really a matter of class.

Take a look at magicka sorcs, for example. They are one of the easiest classes for vMA and other solo content, because they have tankiness (Ward), healing (Surge), and damage all wrapped into one.

But if you look at our group composition for something like vMoL, we had zero sorcs in our group last night. They are probably the weakest class for group content: very little added value for group play and lackluster DPS outside of Overload.

Now look at Dragonknights. The vMA DK board is, by far, the most sparsely populated. They aren't very good at solo content because they don't have very reliable self-healing, and while dedicated DK tanks are very tanky, DK DPSs are some of the squishiest DPS out there.

But in group play, they are king. They provide so much group utility, and in group play situations, where you can specialize in your role (i.e., focus on DPS and let others handle aggro and healing), DKs are able to provide some of the best, if not the best, DPS.

When people talk about how a full DPS build and do all three, they're talking only about certain classes--classes that are strong for solo. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they are strong in group play or other situations. And while a magicka sorc or a magicka nightblade can do vMA without much adaptation (I do change my gear loadout slightly), a magicka DK requires substantial adaptations in order to beat vMA.

Marktoneth3

code65536 wrote: »

Someone linked me a video of a guy completing vMA in heavy armor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-cf2Erf5GY

that's not a pure tank look at hp for exsample

That's just a dps with HA

Digiman

By asking that your then going to have to explain why you wouldn't like to see Healer only content.

Even the most purest tank and or healer in ES lore knew a few damaging spells and techniques to survive an encounter.

Maelstrome Arena isn't DPS content either, it's soloable content. Big difference.