what have i done wrong?

Valrien · May 2016

Buffler wrote: »

People that rely on templar for sustainability *** me right off......own your on resource management you tired bums!

I'll keep you alive and 9 times out of 10 i'll out dps you to.....i had a guy who told me to use repentance as he couldnt be bothered to synergise my shards I was throwing down lol

A good healer takes care of their group's resources without even being asked. A healer doesn't just simply heal.

Buffler · May 2016

Valrien wrote: »

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Buffler wrote: »

People that rely on templar for sustainability *** me right off......own your on resource management you tired bums!

I'll keep you alive and 9 times out of 10 i'll out dps you to.....i had a guy who told me to use repentance as he couldnt be bothered to synergise my shards I was throwing down lol

A good healer takes care of their group's resources without even being asked. A healer doesn't just simply heal.

No a healer also dps' as well as heal as well look after everyones resources......DD's have no idea

Humatiel · May 2016

Buffler wrote: »

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Valrien wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

People that rely on templar for sustainability *** me right off......own your on resource management you tired bums!

I'll keep you alive and 9 times out of 10 i'll out dps you to.....i had a guy who told me to use repentance as he couldnt be bothered to synergise my shards I was throwing down lol

A good healer takes care of their group's resources without even being asked. A healer doesn't just simply heal.

No a healer also dps' as well as heal as well look after everyones resources......DD's have no idea

List of Priority In order.
1. Heal
2. Resource Management
3. DPS.

lassitershawn · May 2016

To play devil's advocate, if you said you had repentance and did not that is definitely not cool. Furthermore, repentance is by far the better morph. The major regeneration buffs from repentance do not stack with potions and are therefore worthless. Still probably a bit of an overreaction.

Endgame DPS builds spec completely into damage, and if a fight is long enough that they will run out of resources without support, it is the healer's job to provide said support.

Buffler · May 2016

Humatiel wrote: »

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Buffler wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

People that rely on templar for sustainability *** me right off......own your on resource management you tired bums!

I'll keep you alive and 9 times out of 10 i'll out dps you to.....i had a guy who told me to use repentance as he couldnt be bothered to synergise my shards I was throwing down lol

A good healer takes care of their group's resources without even being asked. A healer doesn't just simply heal.

No a healer also dps' as well as heal as well look after everyones resources......DD's have no idea

List of Priority In order.
1. Heal
2. Resource Management
3. DPS.

That depends entirely on the rest of the group you are with. Any dungeons except WGT, ICP and possibly COA healing is an after thought.

DocFrost72 · May 2016

Am I the only stamplar that uses repentance for my own management. ..?

AzraelKrieg · May 2016

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Am I the only stamplar that uses repentance for my own management. ..?

Nope. I do it too. I simply can't trust healers when I'm on my stamplar since I end up running with people that don't use repentance or don't throw shards.

failkiwib16_ESO · May 2016

@DocFrost72 I have met some players who nervously asked me if they could run it instead - and I wondered about them being so cautious, so I asked them why ..well I was told that they had previously met some healers that got really pissed off by them using it, because the healer needed repentance in their rotations.

Honestly as a healer, if someone wants to take over 1-2 resource management skills from me, be my guest, more space for me to slot dps skills.
Currently I have only 1 space in total out of both my bars to slot a dps skill, and usually I'm asked to use Crushing Shock to interrupt healer mobs lol

having repentance removed is a luxury

Desimator · May 2016

This is a case of learning to rely on resources coming from others which when playing with the same group members is fine after all it is GROUP content however players focus too much on blitzing the content most of the time do I care if I die doing a dungeon no does wiping out many times in a row *** me off yes. If I run with a repentance user I will switch out Jewellery from Regen glyphs to Weapon power ones I am in a position where I have a lot of Jewellery pieces but it means I am not reliant on another group member to do the content it just takes longer.

I understand the reluctance to do ICP and WGT with pug groups due to the mechanics in the dungeons where damage is a must and quick kills are essential.

failkiwib16_ESO · May 2016

@Desimator lol so true... I have 2 willpower sets as well, one with reduced cost enchant in case my healer doesn't give me Siphon Spirit or orbs, and one with spell damage enchants so I can PEW PEW PEW freely

Alot of players can't afford 2 full sets of their jewelry though. Specially new players who get told spell dmg is the best, so they go and invest in kuta etc. get it up running, try to do a dungeon and get frustrated.

Sharee · May 2016

Lithium Flower wrote: »

The thing is end game content is about specialisation and efficiency. Sure you can have more regen and more defence and also tank a bit and heal a bit but that's pretty inefficient compared to a team of four specialists each doing their job properly.

But you are not queueing to play in a team of four specialists, you are queueing to play in a team of four totally random strangers which may or may not be specialized, and you know this beforehand.
If you are so narrowly specialized that you absolutely require another player to have ability X to function, then you should not queue for playing with a random group and then rage at the other player for not having X.

Queue for playing with randoms = spec for playing with randoms.

Lithium Flower wrote: »

If a football player shows up to play and tells his coach, sorry I didn't bring my football shoes but I have a chocolates for everyone. People will kick him off the team. And he isn't entitled to feeling sorry for himself.

If four random kids meet on the street for a quick football match, none of them should expect the others to wear proper football shoes.

ArchMikem · May 2016

I don't get what people get so riled up over. I queued into a few dungeons before as a low level Vet Sorc Healer that didn't even have a maxed out Restoration Staff Skill Line yet and we finished the run without any major hiccups. Was I carried? Maybe. Probably. But I burned through my Magicka keeping the group Healthy like it was nobody's business, and dare I say I saved a few people's lives here and there, and as a Sorc no less since everyone raves that you have to be a Templar to be a Healer.

That guy/girl/whatever was a total d$ck for how he/she/whatever acted over a single ability you didn't have slotted.

kadar · May 2016

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The_Outsider wrote: »

Noob, depends on Repentance for Stam.

#SiphoningStrikesForDayz

It no longer works on DOTs so it's not near as effective. That part of TG was actually a very harsh on Stamina NB sustain.

Fairly legit ppl keep mentioning that lately, but I honestly didn't even notice. It doesn't seem to have any affect whatsoever on my sustain in PVE content. Maybe I didn't depend on the ticks from dots before, so I'm not noticing it now? I'm not sure, but I'm not having any sustain issues whatsoever even without shards/Repentance. Maybe in Trials or vICP/vWGT it would be tough, but you almost always have a Templar in those cases.
EDIT: my only source of regen on my stamblade is 10% from Relentless Focus.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

More elitism...

exeeter702 · May 2016

How the *** does this guy handle himself when he gets a non templar healer.

Jesus......

In all honesty as far as Vet dungeons are concerned, a tank should more then be capable of handling their own resources, ESPECIALLY dk tanks. If you end up with a templar that does not have repentance or you end up with a healer thst is not a templar and the group contains 2 magicka dps, *** deal with it.

It has nothing to do with expectations of a healer for the simple reason that there are healers in the game with equal output that are not templars and thus do not have stam regen group utility, and outside of trials, relying on others for resource management (especially in a random pug) is downright lazy.

Dude on the screen shot is worthless and should be ignored simply for being a prissy whining wewant.

dday3six · May 2016

The_Outsider wrote: »

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dday3six wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Noob, depends on Repentance for Stam.

#SiphoningStrikesForDayz

It no longer works on DOTs so it's not near as effective. That part of TG was actually a very harsh on Stamina NB sustain.

Fairly legit ppl keep mentioning that lately, but I honestly didn't even notice. It doesn't seem to have any affect whatsoever on my sustain in PVE content. Maybe I didn't depend on the ticks from dots before, so I'm not noticing it now? I'm not sure, but I'm not having any sustain issues whatsoever even without shards/Repentance. Maybe in Trials or vICP/vWGT it would be tough, but you almost always have a Templar in those cases.
EDIT: my only source of regen on my stamblade is 10% from Relentless Focus.

It's most noticable in Vet Maelstrom, but it's also going to depend on what skills are run. You mention ICP or WGT certainly try either with a full dps rotation (Caltrops, Scorched Earth, Rearming Trap, Evil Hunter, etc) without Repentance or Shards and you'll notice the difference.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

Or, we could simply nerf all dungeons and get rid of Elitism for good?

Zerok · May 2016

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO wrote: »

so there's a rule being a templar i have to spec into repentance instead of radiant aura ?
that dude is not even making any sense and i get called a [Snip] and got kicked

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Don't worry man, I was once asked by a guy to run repentance too in my healer rotation. And the guy got angry about it and kept asking for it.

I told him that it was impossible, but he kept asking for it.

By the way, I was a sorcerer.

alexkdd99 · May 2016

Humatiel wrote: »

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Lithium Flower wrote: »

The thing is end game content is about specialisation and efficiency. Sure you can have more regen and more defence and also tank a bit and heal a bit but that's pretty inefficient compared to a team of four specialists each doing their job properly.

You have to adapt for the good of the group. Not having the right group play build, having morphs and skills slotted that don't fit your role, not knowing mechanics and not making an effort to learn them. These are all bad habits that will make you unwelcome in the group. You want people to say 'great dps mate' or 'great support, didn't run out of magicka at all' or 'great tanking' and be happy with you and want to play with you. If you aren't getting that feedback, there's something you're doing wrong and you can look into improving. And there are plenty of resources from which to learn.

If you are a healer and asking dps or tank: why should I slot x skill because your build lacks y then you also better ask that if the dps are slotting self heals and regens and then are also expected to do damage and kill things, what are you bringing to the group? Why should they run with you? Why not bring a healer who is happy to help them succeed rather than an added weight? You're being kicked out because running with you is so painful they'd rather quit or wait until they find someone else.

Don't be such a dead weight.

If a football player shows up to play and tells his coach, sorry I didn't bring my football shoes but I have a chocolates for everyone. People will kick him off the team. And he isn't entitled to feeling sorry for himself.

Jesus thank you, was about to rage a bit at the tides of carebears but this is a beautiful answer.

OP: Play as you want is great, right up until others depend on your playing. I realize your new and I imagine this is probably the first time this type of situation has happened, use this moment to say "what can I do better" and begin looking about guilds to join with a PvE focus / guides etc.

So you are excusing the other guys actions and comment because op is new?

Cuyler · May 2016

You also forgot elemental drain....

jk jk carry on

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

Zerok wrote: »

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Don't worry man, I was once asked by a guy to run repentance too in my healer rotation. And the guy got angry about it and kept asking for it.

I told him that it was impossible, but he kept asking for it.

By the way, I was a sorcerer.[/quote]ROFL...

Miszou · May 2016

Humatiel wrote: »

OP: Play as you want is great, right up until others depend on your playing. I realize your new and I imagine this is probably the first time this type of situation has happened, use this moment to say "what can I do better" and begin looking about guilds to join with a PvE focus / guides etc.

I dunno about you, but the minute I got called a [snip], I'd pretty much not be doing anything that person wanted. There's a way to make suggestions, and there's a way to be a perfect [snip] about it. Talk to me like that, and you better hope I'm not group leader, because your sorry ass will be back at the beginning of the queue, while I go find someone less abrasive to DPS for me.

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Silver_Strider · May 2016

I love the stuck up players that outright demand that I run XYZ skill for whatever reason.

I've healed everything on my magic NB, from vICP to Trials and never received a single complaint or any question to my competence as a healer. I give as many buffs/debuffs as my class/hotbar/gear can offer (5 SPC, 5 Worm Cult and a Maelstrom Resto/Ice Destro.)

If they cannot live without shards/repentance then they need to work on their build more as opposed to expecting everything be handed to them. I wish I could restore stamina on my NB in some way other than the Master Resto from DSA (which I've had no success in getting) but until ZOS adds in a universal skill for this purpose, people will just have to make due.

myrrrorb14_ESO · May 2016

exeeter702 wrote: »

How the *** does this guy handle himself when he gets a non templar healer.

Jesus......

In all honesty as far as Vet dungeons are concerned, a tank should more then be capable of handling their own resources, ESPECIALLY dk tanks. If you end up with a templar that does not have repentance or you end up with a healer thst is not a templar and the group contains 2 magicka dps, *** deal with it.

It has nothing to do with expectations of a healer for the simple reason that there are healers in the game with equal output that are not templars and thus do not have stam regen group utility, and outside of trials, relying on others for resource management (especially in a random pug) is downright lazy.

Dude on the screen shot is worthless and should be ignored simply for being a prissy whining wewant.

Keep kicking healers until you get a templar!

There's only a few dungeons that require a traditional group of healer, tank, 2 DD. Not sure what the big deal is with expecting a PUG to conform to your expectations. If you want to have a specific type of healer make a guild and only invite people who think like you.

Templar healers are very powerful and have some unique things, but that doesn't mean you need them to survive a dungeon.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

I think, OP, the question should be: what has HE done wrong?
Obviously: everything.

LadyNalcarya · May 2016

Well, repentance/radiant aura is one of those skills where one morph is clearly superior to another. Regen buff from radiant aura doesnt stack with potions and stuff like green dragon blood, but free heal from repentance is really nice on trash packs.
That being said, this guy's tone is unacceptable and I would tell such a person to flock off.

@Rune_Relic wrote: »

wow. what an arse. Personally I would be too ashamed to come on this thread and try to defend myself if I acted like that.

This is what I keep saying about hardcore players do nothing except destroy communities until games are dead.
This being a prime example.
They are a disease.
Nothing more and nothing less.

I just hope they enjoy the toxic world they created when all the decent people have left.

You know nothing, Jon Snow.
I started playing as a tank, and switched to healer shortly after. Used to pug a lot, too. And you know what? Healing in pugs is the worst thing I've ever encountered in this game. Like, the sheer amount of toxicity and self-righteous bad "dds" was just awful.
All this combined made me quit healing for a while.
Now I came back to healing and apparently I'm good enough to heal vMoL. Still not good enough for pug groups though.

Same with tanking...
So tell me about "evil hardcore players", I will have a good laugh.

P.S. In more than a year in this game Ive met a grand total of 2 players who were good, but toxic, and countless "friendly casuals" who tried to harass me for their own mistakes and called me names. And I've never, ever met a person who would be a really bad, but super friendly player. Usually nice people are trying to cooperate.

sirrmattus · May 2016

@henrycupcakerwb17_ESO

Typically. If ur a pure healer. You want to run repentance morph and the luminous shard morph. Therefore you can give resources to both your stamina and magic users. If you are a dmg templar thay heals every now and then. Repentance and orbs. All healers should have repentance on, free skill free resources.

OrphanHelgen · May 2016

communication and cooperation is the key to success in eso.
No need to be mad if you dont use repentance ofcourse, but I dont see the reason why you dont want it either.

sirrmattus · May 2016

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Johngo0036 wrote: »

I dont understand what his issue is,

If he is in need of healing the healer will heal him,
If he is in need of stamina there are other ways of getting stamina,

Repentance is not the only frigging skill that templars can use to give both health and stam back to team mates...

what an idiot...not you the guy who thinks he knows everything about healing.. what would he have done if you were not a templar healer...

LOLZ

thats why i was clueless since radiant aura gives 80% stamina regeneration after activated

Radiant aura is garbage. And it's not 80% regen. And why would you want more regen when your stats are depleted?

Dubhliam · May 2016

Manpoints wrote: »

I dont know who that handsome lady is in the screenshot, but understand it from a vets point of view, sometimes, we're forced into using LFG - Most avoid it when possible. Why? Because its a system in which ESO forces noobs and oldies into the same group in order for the experienced players to carry the noobs through content, its why there's the 100k random vet to entice us.

The problem with this is the skill disparity between players who have been around for 2 years, and the new blood coming through, that ratio is leaning more to new blood every day but the game, and ZOS offers no support or training for new players other than forcing them in with vets and hoping the vets teach. What compounds it is the latest patch notes of the upcoming DB content and the nerfs thrown across the board because apparently its easier to push content down to the level of new players, than providing the support, knowledge and opportunity for new players to step up to match community standards.

If you want a constructive solution to the issue, get ZOS to put some in game vet training or some more build assistance, because as much as people might have advertised this game as 'play it how you want' I doubt very highly end game players, the dying breed would agree heavy armor 2h dps is going to make it through VICP.

*edit* Or in the case of a lowbie vet healer, springs alone just wont cut it in a fast moving group

The lack of ingame tutorials and/or progression in the game is a serious issue.

But let's not divert from your actions.
That was no way to react to a player saying he does not have some skill equipped. Btw, there is NO tutorial that would say: "pick this morph, the other one is garbage".
If you apply to a PUG, you go expecting everything. Including Sorc, NB, or even DK healers. That have no way of replenishing your stamina.

Your actions reflect us all, and there are more and more new players that get turned off from the "elitism" they encounter in the game.
No wonder the forums are "casual vs elites warfare".

To the OP: don't get discouraged by negative players, instead try to take their badly worded rants and try to look at the reasoning behind them. I am sure you will find some more friendly people to explain the reasoning behind certain builds/tactics.