Vamp passive regen for Dark Brotherhood

Cozzy1991

Vampires should not get passive regeneration without having an ability slotted....you took that away from werewolves because it was "too strong" so you cant turn around and say its ok for vamps....

clayandaudrey_ESO

But they did so....

Ackwalan

After stage two, vamps always have the health regen and fire damage debuff, WW only have the poison debuff while in WW form, so it is fair for vamps to get the passive and WW not.

Cozzy1991

Ackwalan wrote: »

After stage two, vamps always have the health regen and fire damage debuff, WW only have the poison debuff while in WW form, so it is fair for vamps to get the passive and WW not.

That makes no sense. Vampires in the current state take the extra fire damage at higher stages and only get the regen with an ability slotted. No matter how you look at it, it's a stupid change.

Mr.Hmm

Fire damage in-game = main damage thorough the game from any mobs/bosses/npcs, combine this with the huge Fire damage debuff Vampires get.

Vampires have bigger disadvantage than Werewolf so this passive regen is a good change in my eyes.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Vampires should not get passive regeneration without having an ability slotted....you took that away from werewolves because it was "too strong" so you cant turn around and say its ok for vamps....

Werewolves barley even have a weakness, in Human form you are not effected by Poison or Silver attacks infact you are no different from a non-werewolf at all, you only gain those weakness's when you CHOOSE TO TRANSFORM WHICH IS ENTIRLEY OPTIONAL and while your transformed, with the right build you will be unstoppable to the point where 25% extra poison damage and 20% extra damage from Silver is nothing..or would you prefer those weakness's in human form as well?

Also if a vampire uses their vampires abilities 12 times they will go up a stage so you can no longer fight as a vampire and stay in stage 1, your lucky ZoS doesn't make it so werewolves are forced to transform at night infact that is an idea, they can make it so you get your stamina regen without needing an ability slotted but in return you have to transform every night and kill someone or you get a 10% Health debuff the next day.

bowmanz607

Werewolves would have no detriment without having to slot an ult. Everyone would be running ww if not a vamp. A vamp has a detriment to getting the regen all the time. Therefore, it makes sense.

Memnock

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Vampires should not get passive regeneration without having an ability slotted....you took that away from werewolves because it was "too strong" so you cant turn around and say its ok for vamps....

How about this : we remove that change for vamps in the upcoming DLC , but werewolves get the poison damage at all times , even if they are not transformed and even if they don't have the ultimate slotted , sound fair ?

On a more serious note , please take a few minutes to read up on the skill line you are trying to bash and consider the pros and cons of that when compared to the other before being aggravated by a change that will help with the high risk high reward style of the vamp tree.

Van_0S

Memnock wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Vampires should not get passive regeneration without having an ability slotted....you took that away from werewolves because it was "too strong" so you cant turn around and say its ok for vamps....

How about this : we remove that change for vamps in the upcoming DLC , but werewolves get the poison damage at all times , even if they are not transformed and even if they don't have the ultimate slotted , sound fair ?

On a more serious note , please take a few minutes to read up on the skill line you are trying to bash and consider the pros and cons of that when compared to the other before being aggravated by a change that will help with the high risk high reward style of the vamp tree.

True!!, I agree ^^

Those who have not played as a vampire will never know their weakness.
Vampires =/= WW.

WW human form, all you have to slot to get a stam regen. No weakness to posion but you waste an ultimate slot.
Once you transform you get that weakness.

Vampire, no transformation like WW as weakness to flame, camohunter. So, the stage timer is a good decision that ZOS as done because now there is a reason to be stage 4 vampire ( its riskier and a boon)

Fischblut

The game is still unfair to werewolves. Bad Molag Bal gives me permanent new look, and good Hircine gives me... amazing new look, but it's just an option for a short period of time So don't change anything in WW skill line, just let me remain transformed for as long as I want, and I would happily embrace all my weaknesses (and add 25% poison damage weakness in human form too) just to look like a beast and enjoy running on four legs while gathering crafting resources Love my beasts with axe in their paws - scary and hilarious at a time!

While vampires always look like a vampires, no matter the changes to their skill line. Plus vampires have access to all other abilities and all other passives Fair, very fair...

Mr.Hmm

Would be nice if you could be Werewolf 100% of the time haha.

susmitds

Memnock wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Vampires should not get passive regeneration without having an ability slotted....you took that away from werewolves because it was "too strong" so you cant turn around and say its ok for vamps....

How about this : we remove that change for vamps in the upcoming DLC , but werewolves get the poison damage at all times , even if they are not transformed and even if they don't have the ultimate slotted , sound fair ?

On a more serious note , please take a few minutes to read up on the skill line you are trying to bash and consider the pros and cons of that when compared to the other before being aggravated by a change that will help with the high risk high reward style of the vamp tree.

Memnock wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Vampires should not get passive regeneration without having an ability slotted....you took that away from werewolves because it was "too strong" so you cant turn around and say its ok for vamps....

How about this : we remove that change for vamps in the upcoming DLC , but werewolves get the poison damage at all times , even if they are not transformed and even if they don't have the ultimate slotted , sound fair ?

On a more serious note , please take a few minutes to read up on the skill line you are trying to bash and consider the pros and cons of that when compared to the other before being aggravated by a change that will help with the high risk high reward style of the vamp tree.

Trust me, you don't want that with the new poison builds that are hitting crazy numbers in the PTS.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Fischblut wrote: »

The game is still unfair to werewolves. Bad Molag Bal gives me permanent new look, and good Hircine gives me... amazing new look, but it's just an option for a short period of time So don't change anything in WW skill line, just let me remain transformed for as long as I want, and I would happily embrace all my weaknesses (and add 25% poison damage weakness in human form too) just to look like a beast and enjoy running on four legs while gathering crafting resources Love my beasts with axe in their paws - scary and hilarious at a time!

While vampires always look like a vampires, no matter the changes to their skill line. Plus vampires have access to all other abilities and all other passives Fair, very fair...

"Plus vampires have access to all other abilities and all other passives "

So do werewolves outside werewolf form, If you want to use other abilities then don't transform until you are using those abilities.

mtwiggz

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Vampires should not get passive regeneration without having an ability slotted....you took that away from werewolves because it was "too strong" so you cant turn around and say its ok for vamps....

Difference here is that Vampires are ALWAYS in "vampire form" thus their negative passives always come in to play. This is not the same for Werewolf. So being a vampire, always in "vampire form", they should always benefit from all of their passives. Such as when Werewolves are in "werewolf form" they always benefit from all of their passives.

Makes too much sense to argue.

GreenSoup2HoT

mtwiggz wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Vampires should not get passive regeneration without having an ability slotted....you took that away from werewolves because it was "too strong" so you cant turn around and say its ok for vamps....

Difference here is that Vampires are ALWAYS in "vampire form" thus their negative passives always come in to play. This is not the same for Werewolf. So being a vampire, always in "vampire form", they should always benefit from all of their passives. Such as when Werewolves are in "werewolf form" they always benefit from all of their passives.

Makes too much sense to argue.

Agree'd. If you want your stamina passive while in human form, you must be weak to poison damage like vampires are with fire. An argument could be made that the fire damage would be less in stage 2 but that would mean we loose the undeath and darkstalker passives... which is not gonna happen.

It's not like the regen vampire's get is a free perk. We need that regen to offset the draw backs we already have while vampires at all times.

olsborg

I dont mind that you need to have the ulti slotted to gain the passive regeneration to stamina, but the fact that you need to have ulti slotted on both bars to get the passive regen all the time...is totally stupid imo. As soon as you change bars where you have another ulti slotted you loose the regen bonus.