Dragon Leap needs a magicka morph.

Solariken

Cool idea, but if anything DL should have a fire damage morph, not magic IMO.

KenaPKK

Solariken wrote: »

Cool idea, but if anything DL should have a fire damage morph, not magic IMO.

Valid point.

ryanborror

Give magic dbos and give stam ice comet

AfkNinja

Change Ferocious Leap to fire dmg, signed. Fire dmg leap +shield fits the theme of mDK.

Noobslayer3255

Give DKs a poison Standard

Give NBs a disease Veil
Give NBs a disease soul tether

Give Templars a physical Sweep
Give Templars a physical Nova

Give Sorcerer a physical Atro
Give Sorcerer a physical Overload
Give Sorcerer a physical Negate

Give all stam classes a physical Meteor and a physical Bats.
Give all stam classes a stamina-scaling universal shield.
Give all stam classes a stamina morph of barrier
Give all stam classes a stamina morph of purge

You know what, at that:
Give Stam DKs a poison whip
Give Stam DKs a stamina gap closer
Give Stam DKs a stamina fossilize morph

Give Stam NBs a disease swallow soul
Give Stam NBs a disease cripple
Give Stam NBs a stamina fear morph

Give Stam Temps a stamina gap closer
Give Stam Temps a stamina execute
Give Stam Temps an on demand burst heal
Give Stam Temps a stamina blazing spear morph

Give Stam Sorcerers a physical crystal frag
Give Stam Sorcerers a physical execute
Give Stam Sorcerers a physical curse
Give Stam Sorcerers stamina based pets
Give Stam Sorcerers a stamina streak morph
Give Stam Sorcerers a stamina rune prison morph


/thread

leepalmer95

Noobslayer3255 wrote: »

Give DKs a poison Standard

Give NBs a disease Veil
Give NBs a disease soul tether

Give Templars a physical Sweep
Give Templars a physical Nova

Give Sorcerer a physical Atro
Give Sorcerer a physical Overload
Give Sorcerer a physical Negate

Give all stam classes a physical Meteor and a physical Bats.
Give all stam classes a stamina-scaling universal shield.
Give all stam classes a stamina morph of barrier
Give all stam classes a stamina morph of purge

You know what, at that:
Give Stam DKs a poison whip
Give Stam DKs a stamina gap closer
Give Stam DKs a stamina fossilize morph

Give Stam NBs a disease swallow soul
Give Stam NBs a disease cripple
Give Stam NBs a stamina fear morph

Give Stam Temps a stamina gap closer
Give Stam Temps a stamina execute
Give Stam Temps an on demand burst heal
Give Stam Temps a stamina blazing spear morph

Give Stam Sorcerers a physical crystal frag
Give Stam Sorcerers a physical execute
Give Stam Sorcerers a physical curse
Give Stam Sorcerers stamina based pets
Give Stam Sorcerers a stamina streak morph
Give Stam Sorcerers a stamina rune prison morph


/thread

Just no xD

K4RMA

@KenaPKK 1v1

KenaPKK

K4RMA wrote: »

@KenaPKK 1v1

you won't you won't no balls

Rainingblood

I'd prefer they fix DL first. Make it consistently fire and not put wings on my feet. THEN please make a fire or magicka damage morph.

Autolycus

Personally, I'm not all that butt-hurt over DB of Smiting being physical now. I used it extensively on my magDK prior to the change, and ofc like everyone else I am sad to see it change for that reason. But, I also understand (or believe I do) why it was changed and it does provide a great deal of value and utility to my stam characters.

Setting that aside, the need for a low-cost magic-damage ult is growing more pronounced. There really aren't many options for a magDK, with one ult being very high cost, one scaling with physical damage, and one being completely defensive and the damage component of it being almost entirely negligible, in addition to being high-cost anyway.

To me it seems that the easiest way to fix this is to change Dragon Leap so that at least one morph is magic damage. I would nominate Ferocious Leap for this, simply because the shield component, at least in my opinion, is better-suited for those with lower armor ratings. The shield itself is pretty weak and lasts only for a few seconds, but that's a topic for another discussion. At least if it did magic damage it would cater to magicka side of the class to some degree.

On a side note, a DK hybrid using Pelinel's effectively eliminates this issue. I emphasize "when done properly," but assuming that's the case, having equitable WD and SD means the ability to use any ultimate, including Dragon Leap and Dawnbreaker, even if the build leans toward magicka in terms of skills, primary resource pool, etc.

Kilandros

Sadly I hope they completely revamp dragon leap it just doesn't work if there's any lag (which is all the time)

Takes-No-Prisoner

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Rather, they need to make Dawnbreaker of Smiting magical dmg and proceed with changing unmorphed Dawnbreaker and Flawless Dawnbreaker to physical dmg (since stam builds will all run Flawless for the passive damage buff).

Incorrect. Meteor has no physical damage morph, and the mage's guild is geared for magicka. Meteor is still the strongest ultimate in the game. You magicka users keep your selfish fingers away from our Dawnbreaker!

I logged onto my Magicka toon last night, and yeah I would have to agree with Strider here. I 2-3? shooted a guy procing Kena/ Spectral Bow proc, Shooting Star, the first DoT tick of SS and he turned into a pile of ash. The guy I killed was Alliance Rank 40.

I would say Meteor/Morphs are still in a great spot right now.

Aedaryl

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Rather, they need to make Dawnbreaker of Smiting magical dmg and proceed with changing unmorphed Dawnbreaker and Flawless Dawnbreaker to physical dmg (since stam builds will all run Flawless for the passive damage buff).

Incorrect. Meteor has no physical damage morph, and the mage's guild is geared for magicka. Meteor is still the strongest ultimate in the game. You magicka users keep your selfish fingers away from our Dawnbreaker!

I logged onto my Magicka toon last night, and yeah I would have to agree with Strider here. I 2-3? shooted a guy procing Kena/ Spectral Bow proc, Shooting Star, the first DoT tick of SS and he turned into a pile of ash. The guy I killed was Alliance Rank 40.

I would say Meteor/Morphs are still in a great spot right now.

There is 4 way to take a meteor full damage


-Being a noob
-Being out of stamina
-Being agaisnt magicka dk
-Being near a people target (being not carefull).

There is 2 ways to escape DBOS :

-Being a noob and use it when ennemi is not in front of you.
-Being lucky and block just at the moment (never happended cuz DBOS from good player is totaly invisible).

KenaPKK

Aedaryl wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Rather, they need to make Dawnbreaker of Smiting magical dmg and proceed with changing unmorphed Dawnbreaker and Flawless Dawnbreaker to physical dmg (since stam builds will all run Flawless for the passive damage buff).

Incorrect. Meteor has no physical damage morph, and the mage's guild is geared for magicka. Meteor is still the strongest ultimate in the game. You magicka users keep your selfish fingers away from our Dawnbreaker!

I logged onto my Magicka toon last night, and yeah I would have to agree with Strider here. I 2-3? shooted a guy procing Kena/ Spectral Bow proc, Shooting Star, the first DoT tick of SS and he turned into a pile of ash. The guy I killed was Alliance Rank 40.

I would say Meteor/Morphs are still in a great spot right now.

There is 4 way to take a meteor full damage


-Being a noob
-Being out of stamina
-Being agaisnt magicka dk
-Being near a people target (being not carefull).

There is 2 ways to escape DBOS :

-Being a noob and use it when ennemi is not in front of you.
-Being lucky and block just at the moment (never happended cuz DBOS from good player is totaly invisible).

Meteors combined with ccs like Fossilize are good.

Shadesofkin

I've always felt that Dragon Leap is a Tank/Stam skill and I support them having it.

I don't like changes which really only benefit PvP. I cannot imagine a scenario where any smart Magicka DK would use Leap during PvE.

Luigi_Vampa

Shadesofkin wrote: »

I've always felt that Dragon Leap is a Tank/Stam skill and I support them having it.

I don't like changes which really only benefit PvP. I cannot imagine a scenario where any smart Magicka DK would use Leap during PvE.

Who uses Leap in PvE period? Tanks should be running Warhorn and DPS usually run Standard of Might.

Shadesofkin

Typhoios wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

I've always felt that Dragon Leap is a Tank/Stam skill and I support them having it.

I don't like changes which really only benefit PvP. I cannot imagine a scenario where any smart Magicka DK would use Leap during PvE.

Who uses Leap in PvE period? Tanks should be running Warhorn and DPS usually run Standard of Might.

When you run a 3dps pledge run, you can often count on one person wanting to charge in with leap if they're a 2h stam dk used to doing pvp or just goofing off (I mean really silver pledges are so easy that why not).

leepalmer95

Aedaryl wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Rather, they need to make Dawnbreaker of Smiting magical dmg and proceed with changing unmorphed Dawnbreaker and Flawless Dawnbreaker to physical dmg (since stam builds will all run Flawless for the passive damage buff).

Incorrect. Meteor has no physical damage morph, and the mage's guild is geared for magicka. Meteor is still the strongest ultimate in the game. You magicka users keep your selfish fingers away from our Dawnbreaker!

I logged onto my Magicka toon last night, and yeah I would have to agree with Strider here. I 2-3? shooted a guy procing Kena/ Spectral Bow proc, Shooting Star, the first DoT tick of SS and he turned into a pile of ash. The guy I killed was Alliance Rank 40.

I would say Meteor/Morphs are still in a great spot right now.

There is 4 way to take a meteor full damage


-Being a noob
-Being out of stamina
-Being agaisnt magicka dk
-Being near a people target (being not carefull).

There is 2 ways to escape DBOS :

-Being a noob and use it when ennemi is not in front of you.
-Being lucky and block just at the moment (never happended cuz DBOS from good player is totaly invisible).

A meteor + fear always hits as well.

Luigi_Vampa

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

I've always felt that Dragon Leap is a Tank/Stam skill and I support them having it.

I don't like changes which really only benefit PvP. I cannot imagine a scenario where any smart Magicka DK would use Leap during PvE.

Who uses Leap in PvE period? Tanks should be running Warhorn and DPS usually run Standard of Might.

When you run a 3dps pledge run, you can often count on one person wanting to charge in with leap if they're a 2h stam dk used to doing pvp or just goofing off (I mean really silver pledges are so easy that why not).

So we should deprive mDKs of a strong cheap ult because Stam DKs want to goof around in sliver pledges? Why do they need both morphs for that anyway?

iRogue32

How, could a leap do anything but physical damage?

Ghost-Shot

iRogue32 wrote: »

How, could a leap do anything but physical damage?

How could a magically summoned sword do anything but magic damage?

Shadesofkin

Typhoios wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

I've always felt that Dragon Leap is a Tank/Stam skill and I support them having it.

I don't like changes which really only benefit PvP. I cannot imagine a scenario where any smart Magicka DK would use Leap during PvE.

Who uses Leap in PvE period? Tanks should be running Warhorn and DPS usually run Standard of Might.

When you run a 3dps pledge run, you can often count on one person wanting to charge in with leap if they're a 2h stam dk used to doing pvp or just goofing off (I mean really silver pledges are so easy that why not).

So we should deprive mDKs of a strong cheap ult because Stam DKs want to goof around in sliver pledges? Why do they need both morphs for that anyway?

Oh I'm just answering your "who does that in pve", as for strong cheap morphs, I don't really have an answer to that beyond "perhaps stave ultimates will be cost friendly". Please understand I'm coming at this entirely from a PvE perspective, I find pvp loathsome. I just wanted to point out that I felt Leap was in a fine place where it was PvE-wise and I tend to be wary of changes made with the sole purpose of benefiting PvP.

Luigi_Vampa

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

I've always felt that Dragon Leap is a Tank/Stam skill and I support them having it.

I don't like changes which really only benefit PvP. I cannot imagine a scenario where any smart Magicka DK would use Leap during PvE.

Who uses Leap in PvE period? Tanks should be running Warhorn and DPS usually run Standard of Might.

When you run a 3dps pledge run, you can often count on one person wanting to charge in with leap if they're a 2h stam dk used to doing pvp or just goofing off (I mean really silver pledges are so easy that why not).

So we should deprive mDKs of a strong cheap ult because Stam DKs want to goof around in sliver pledges? Why do they need both morphs for that anyway?

Oh I'm just answering your "who does that in pve", as for strong cheap morphs, I don't really have an answer to that beyond "perhaps stave ultimates will be cost friendly". Please understand I'm coming at this entirely from a PvE perspective, I find pvp loathsome. I just wanted to point out that I felt Leap was in a fine place where it was PvE-wise and I tend to be wary of changes made with the sole purpose of benefiting PvP.

No one uses the Ferocious Leap morph. Only stam DKs use Take Flight. What changes in PvE if mDKs get Ferocious Leap to do magic damage? How can Leap be in a good place PvE wise if it is only used for goofing off?

WillhelmBlack

Let's be honest, Magicka DK has been left out of everything. It got Silks of the Sun back but whoopee doo! Some extra Spell Power is never gonna get it near the other 3 classes especially when the extra Spell Power doesn't affect all your heals.

Shadesofkin

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Let's be honest, Magicka DK has been left out of everything. It got Silks of the Sun back but whoopee doo! Some extra Spell Power is never gonna get it near the other 3 classes especially when the extra Spell Power doesn't affect all your heals.

One of the complaints I specifically have about the current sun set up is that it doesn't boost flame staff damage or skoria damage anymore and that's unacceptable.

Asgari

Noobslayer3255 wrote: »

Give DKs a poison Standard

Give NBs a disease Veil
Give NBs a disease soul tether

Give Templars a physical Sweep
Give Templars a physical Nova

Give Sorcerer a physical Atro
Give Sorcerer a physical Overload
Give Sorcerer a physical Negate

Give all stam classes a physical Meteor and a physical Bats.
Give all stam classes a stamina-scaling universal shield.
Give all stam classes a stamina morph of barrier
Give all stam classes a stamina morph of purge

You know what, at that:
Give Stam DKs a poison whip
Give Stam DKs a stamina gap closer
Give Stam DKs a stamina fossilize morph

Give Stam NBs a disease swallow soul
Give Stam NBs a disease cripple
Give Stam NBs a stamina fear morph

Give Stam Temps a stamina gap closer
Give Stam Temps a stamina execute
Give Stam Temps an on demand burst heal
Give Stam Temps a stamina blazing spear morph

Give Stam Sorcerers a physical crystal frag
Give Stam Sorcerers a physical execute
Give Stam Sorcerers a physical curse
Give Stam Sorcerers stamina based pets
Give Stam Sorcerers a stamina streak morph
Give Stam Sorcerers a stamina rune prison morph


/thread

So many terrible ideas that would further imbalance the game.

Giving DKs a magick version of Leap just allows them some much needed dmg in pvp. None of the other classes need this.

Lucius_Aelius

Having a Magicka and Stamina morph for every ability would be a really terrible idea unless they're going to have 4 morphs for every ability, 2 stamina and 2 magicka with the effects identical between the Stamina/Magicka morphs. Anything else would severely limit variety and effectively cripple any number of builds that rely on abilities being as they currently are, and any change should be to expand variety and not limit it.

IxskullzxI

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

iRogue32 wrote: »

How, could a leap do anything but physical damage?

How could a magically summoned sword do anything but magic damage?

Mic drop.

Rage_Killin

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Having a Magicka and Stamina morph for every ability would be a really terrible idea unless they're going to have 4 morphs for every ability, 2 stamina and 2 magicka with the effects identical between the Stamina/Magicka morphs. Anything else would severely limit variety and effectively cripple any number of builds that rely on abilities being as they currently are, and any change should be to expand variety and not limit it.

Wait.... You may be onto something. Why can't we have 2 magic and 2 stam morphs for every ability in the game? (at least class abilities) this would add so much verity to the game and people wouldn't be forced to use specific builds/setups.

Animus-ESO

Noobslayer3255 wrote: »

Give DKs a poison Standard

Give NBs a disease Veil
Give NBs a disease soul tether

Give Templars a physical Sweep
Give Templars a physical Nova

Give Sorcerer a physical Atro
Give Sorcerer a physical Overload
Give Sorcerer a physical Negate

Give all stam classes a physical Meteor and a physical Bats.
Give all stam classes a stamina-scaling universal shield.
Give all stam classes a stamina morph of barrier
Give all stam classes a stamina morph of purge

You know what, at that:
Give Stam DKs a poison whip
Give Stam DKs a stamina gap closer
Give Stam DKs a stamina fossilize morph

Give Stam NBs a disease swallow soul
Give Stam NBs a disease cripple
Give Stam NBs a stamina fear morph

Give Stam Temps a stamina gap closer
Give Stam Temps a stamina execute
Give Stam Temps an on demand burst heal
Give Stam Temps a stamina blazing spear morph

Give Stam Sorcerers a physical crystal frag
Give Stam Sorcerers a physical execute
Give Stam Sorcerers a physical curse
Give Stam Sorcerers stamina based pets
Give Stam Sorcerers a stamina streak morph
Give Stam Sorcerers a stamina rune prison morph


/thread

I am totally down for all of this, This whole game should have two ways to play a class, stamina and magica, both with unique variations to ALL CLASS SKILLS. This would create a HUGE diversity in the game, because you have OPTIONS! More OPTIONS = more UNIQUE builds. Anyone who disagrees are stuck on old ways on how this game is played and not down for what elder scrolls truly stands for; play the way you want to play.