Dragon Leap needs a magicka morph.

KenaPKK

Dawnbreaker was magicka DKs' only cheap ult to return resources. With it being physical damage, it's now inviable for that purpose.

Lots of class ults were given poison/disease morphs, but Dragon Leap was left out. One morph needs to be magicka.

Refuse2GrowUp

Rather, they need to make Dawnbreaker of Smiting magical dmg and proceed with changing unmorphed Dawnbreaker and Flawless Dawnbreaker to physical dmg (since stam builds will all run Flawless for the passive damage buff).

KenaPKK

Nah, Dawnbreaker of Smiting going physical is whatever. Sorcs have their damage morph of Negate, and that's the only other class that used to be dependent on Dawnbreaker.

Strider_Roshin

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Rather, they need to make Dawnbreaker of Smiting magical dmg and proceed with changing unmorphed Dawnbreaker and Flawless Dawnbreaker to physical dmg (since stam builds will all run Flawless for the passive damage buff).

Incorrect. Meteor has no physical damage morph, and the mage's guild is geared for magicka. Meteor is still the strongest ultimate in the game. You magicka users keep your selfish fingers away from our Dawnbreaker!

Strider_Roshin

KenaPKK wrote: »

Dawnbreaker was magicka DKs' only cheap ult to return resources. With it being physical damage, it's now inviable for that purpose.

Lots of class ults were given poison/disease morphs, but Dragon Leap was left out. One morph needs to be magicka.

How do you think Stam Sorcs feel? I don't exactly see a physical Overload in the works.

KenaPKK

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Dawnbreaker was magicka DKs' only cheap ult to return resources. With it being physical damage, it's now inviable for that purpose.

Lots of class ults were given poison/disease morphs, but Dragon Leap was left out. One morph needs to be magicka.

How do you think Stam Sorcs feel? I don't exactly see a physical Overload in the works.

Uh, really really good now that Dawnbreaker is physical. ^^

Strider_Roshin

KenaPKK wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Dawnbreaker was magicka DKs' only cheap ult to return resources. With it being physical damage, it's now inviable for that purpose.

Lots of class ults were given poison/disease morphs, but Dragon Leap was left out. One morph needs to be magicka.

How do you think Stam Sorcs feel? I don't exactly see a physical Overload in the works.

Uh, really really good now that Dawnbreaker is physical. ^^

lol true, it is nice to finally have an ultimate that scales with our Champion Points. Now my ultimate will feel like an ultimate.

KenaPKK

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Dawnbreaker was magicka DKs' only cheap ult to return resources. With it being physical damage, it's now inviable for that purpose.

Lots of class ults were given poison/disease morphs, but Dragon Leap was left out. One morph needs to be magicka.

How do you think Stam Sorcs feel? I don't exactly see a physical Overload in the works.

Uh, really really good now that Dawnbreaker is physical. ^^

lol true, it is nice to finally have an ultimate that scales with our Champion Points. Now my ultimate will feel like an ultimate.

And that is why Leap needs a magicka morph.

Refuse2GrowUp

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Rather, they need to make Dawnbreaker of Smiting magical dmg and proceed with changing unmorphed Dawnbreaker and Flawless Dawnbreaker to physical dmg (since stam builds will all run Flawless for the passive damage buff).

Incorrect. Meteor has no physical damage morph, and the mage's guild is geared for magicka. Meteor is still the strongest ultimate in the game. You magicka users keep your selfish fingers away from our Dawnbreaker!

Lol, check my signature block. I play a magicka and stamina version of each toon. I am unbiased one way or the other.

Stam toons can and still do use Meteor for its range. Plus Radiant Magelight is still effective on stam toons in PvP and can empower your next attack.

Having a magicka morph of Dawnbreaker is really the only way magicka toons will benefit from the Fighters Guild tree and the only way they will get the extra damage to undead, deadra, and werewolves. This is necessary not only for PvP but for PvE also as many of the dungreons are undead/deadra. I like that they are scaling Dawnbreaker to physical. But they cannot and should not exclude magicka toons from FG when FG isnt meant to be a stamina skill line but rather a counter undead skill line. And as I said, no stam toon is going to run Smiting anyway since Flawless gives the passive wpn dmg buff.

Vangy

Come on guys. The game has 80%+ magicka morphs for class/guild skills pre change. With PTS now maybe still 70%. The only stam ults are leap, incap strike and DB. Is this still too much for you guys?

Yes stam builds use meteor even though its magical based for the range so why cant u guys use DB as physical for the bonus damage to deadra? It will still do *** tons of damage for a mag build even without the 25% bonus just like how meteor still does *** tons of damage even withouth the 25% bonus for stam builds.

LorDrek

Stamina need stamina morph - standart of might with poison dmg.

Tavore1138

Vangy wrote: »

Come on guys. The game has 80%+ magicka morphs for class/guild skills pre change. With PTS now maybe still 70%. The only stam ults are leap, incap strike and DB. Is this still too much for you guys?

.

LOL, yes - as anyone fighting for parity will tell you those on top will always kick and scream about anything that lessens their unfair advantages.

OrphanHelgen

Then make ice comet stamina morph..
just saying

Vangy

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Then make ice comet stamina morph..
just saying

Why stop there? Why not a stamina morph for standard? That does poison damage?

Mojmir

yes,yes it does

DKsUnite

no

Tillalarrien

On the topic: no. I dont think everything should be balanced to the point all builds are the same/can use same skills. I think ultimates should be varied, some phisical dmg others magic. Stamina is behind on this point as it is and Dawnbreaker is a slight improvement.

Saynna

I disagree and think more ult morphs should be physical based instead of magic based.

Ra'Shtar

Why there are so many other ultimates you can use in the game, just go use Meteor.

KenaPKK

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Why there are so many other ultimates you can use in the game, just go use Meteor.

Notice that I argue on the basis of supplying magicka DKs with a cheap ult.

Some magicka DKs like using one cheap ult, like Dawnbreaker, and one expensive ult, like Meteor or Standard. The cheap ult is useful for getting quick resources back in a pinch.

Refuse2GrowUp

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Why there are so many other ultimates you can use in the game, just go use Meteor.

Although a derailment from the threads topic, my issue isn't about diversity or even about buffing stam. I play stam.

My issue is about ruining what FG is...a universal skill line to combat the undead and deadra. It is now a stam buff skill line.

I love the stam buffs, but they should not cut magicka out of the extra dmg to undead/deadra equation.

Stam still needs more class skill morph options, and the idea of weapon skill line ults would certainly add diversity, but magicka cannot and should not be excluded from the FG skill line.

Simply change Smiting to magic and make Slayer give both weapon and spell dmg.

Vangy wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Then make ice comet stamina morph..
just saying

Why stop there? Why not a stamina morph for standard? That does poison damage?

I am excited to try out a stam poison DoT DK. I would absolutely support changing Shifting Standard (which I don't think anyone uses) to a physical poison morph of Standard of Might

Armitas

I would love to see this happen to ferocious leap.

DKsUnite

KenaPKK wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Why there are so many other ultimates you can use in the game, just go use Meteor.

Notice that I argue on the basis of supplying magicka DKs with a cheap ult.

Some magicka DKs like using one cheap ult, like Dawnbreaker, and one expensive ult, like Meteor or Standard. The cheap ult is useful for getting quick resources back in a pinch.

well thats why you use bats. If you arent a vamp as a mDK, you are going to struggle.

Strider_Roshin

If I was Wrobel I would make a a magic morph of Dragon Leap, and call it Butterfly Leap. Where your character flaps his/her butterfly wings and sparkles to his/her opponents.

Refuse2GrowUp

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

If I was Wrobel I would make a a magic morph of Dragon Leap, and call it Butterfly Leap. Where your character flaps his/her butterfly wings and sparkles to his/her opponents.

Would be badass if it left a rainbow trail in its wake as the DK fluttered toward the enemy

Jokes aside, there is nothing wrong with players wanting diversity. I think every skill should have a third morph option so as not to infringe upon the current options but still offer a stamina/magicka alternative.

Volrion

Did you get any feedback on this @KenaPKK ?

KenaPKK

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

If I was Wrobel I would make a a magic morph of Dragon Leap, and call it Butterfly Leap. Where your character flaps his/her butterfly wings and sparkles to his/her opponents.

Would be badass if it left a rainbow trail in its wake as the DK fluttered toward the enemy

Jokes aside, there is nothing wrong with players wanting diversity. I think every skill should have a third morph option so as not to infringe upon the current options but still offer a stamina/magicka alternative.

This is a great idea, albeit a resource intensive one for ZOS.

SourishWhale wrote: »

Did you get any feedback on this @KenaPKK ?

Not from ZOS if that's what you're asking. Players love the idea though.

Luigi_Vampa

DKsUnite wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Why there are so many other ultimates you can use in the game, just go use Meteor.

Notice that I argue on the basis of supplying magicka DKs with a cheap ult.

Some magicka DKs like using one cheap ult, like Dawnbreaker, and one expensive ult, like Meteor or Standard. The cheap ult is useful for getting quick resources back in a pinch.

well thats why you use bats. If you arent a vamp as a mDK, you are going to struggle.

And it is a bad idea to make it so we don't have to be a vamp? I'm a mDK and I'd love to not have to crutch on vamp because without it I have no mobility and no cheap ult that is magicka based. Being vamp shouldn't be required for mDK like it is right now.

KenaPKK

DKsUnite wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Why there are so many other ultimates you can use in the game, just go use Meteor.

Notice that I argue on the basis of supplying magicka DKs with a cheap ult.

Some magicka DKs like using one cheap ult, like Dawnbreaker, and one expensive ult, like Meteor or Standard. The cheap ult is useful for getting quick resources back in a pinch.

well thats why you use bats. If you arent a vamp as a mDK, you are going to struggle.

Bats isn't burst though, and it's more expensive.

Wuuffyy

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Dawnbreaker was magicka DKs' only cheap ult to return resources. With it being physical damage, it's now inviable for that purpose.

Lots of class ults were given poison/disease morphs, but Dragon Leap was left out. One morph needs to be magicka.

How do you think Stam Sorcs feel? I don't exactly see a physical Overload in the works.

#Werewolf

mrvbalc

Flame lash need stam morph