Weekly leaderboards PVE are broken, and will get worse in Dark Brotherhood

OrphanHelgen

Lightning staff of alkosh, are one of many crap rewards we get for the weekly leaderboard.
I completely understand why people do leaderboard on all their characters, specially since the best loot are so rare to get. I do it myself when I have the time for it.

But im thinking about the more casual players who would like a spot on the leaderboard as well. I will tell you guys one thing, yes you are good enough to make it to the leaderboard, even if you always just get kicked out on sunday evening. I know so many players who have all their characters there, and next patch would be even worse when they give us more character slots as well as veteran rank removal.

I dont see the problem of making it account bound and also guarantee some better loot, maybe even two items in mail for the top teams on leaderboards.

In worse case next patch, there could be one guild only, having a whole leaderboard by themself. Yes you worked for it, wp, but I still dont think its fair.
If the rewards was better the higher score we got, it would reward the best players who deserve it, as well as a reason to actually fight for a good score, other then just to be on the leaderboard.

Since championpoints are used on all characters, and you basically only need one item build shared on all your chars, this might be too easy to "exploit".

Vodka shot every time you read "leaderboard"

Destruent

Great suggestion, i would love to get better/usefull loot from the weekly. Even if it's only one item it would be more than i get now. Atm it's usually between 1 and 4 times useless crap.
On the other hand, it's nice to see some real competition on the leaderboards, but i think this wouldn't change that much if they'd make the spots accoundbound

Vangy

Maybe if leaderboards only affected less than 1% of the player base more people would care. As it stands, I see the same people on the top positions and the same guild I run with does about exactly the same +- (5-10) spots and getting the same worthless rewards. So the harsh truth is, 99% of the player base dosent really care about us cos these problems dont affect them....

Destruent

Vangy wrote: »

Maybe if leaderboards only affected less than 1% of the player base more people would care. As it stands, I see the same people on the top positions and the same guild I run with does about exactly the same +- (5-10) spots and getting the same worthless rewards. So the harsh truth is, 99% of the player base dosent really care about us cos these problems dont affect them....

There are lots of people running the weekly and not getting a place in the leaderboard. i think they care about it and i'd be happy for them if they get weekly rewards as i do. On PC/EU you need some really good score to get a reward (atleast for AA/HelRa/vDSA...in SO it's not so hard, but you have to do hardmode). Maybe the possibility to get a reward even with a lower score will encourage some more people to do raids again. Would be great, isn't it?

Vangy

Destruent wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Maybe if leaderboards only affected less than 1% of the player base more people would care. As it stands, I see the same people on the top positions and the same guild I run with does about exactly the same +- (5-10) spots and getting the same worthless rewards. So the harsh truth is, 99% of the player base dosent really care about us cos these problems dont affect them....

There are lots of people running the weekly and not getting a place in the leaderboard. i think they care about it and i'd be happy for them if they get weekly rewards as i do. On PC/EU you need some really good score to get a reward (atleast for AA/HelRa/vDSA...in SO it's not so hard, but you have to do hardmode). Maybe the possibility to get a reward even with a lower score will encourage some more people to do raids again. Would be great, isn't it?

I totally agree that more people need to get rewards for doing trials. Might encourage more people to actually do trials. Which is good for the game. Don't know how people would feel about more people getting rewards tho.

Valrien

ZOS will just nerf the leaderboard so casuals can get top 10.

EC_Rob

making it account bound would make it a whole lot more fair because i know a good amount of people who are pretty decent players but just cant get onto the leaderboards because of the high rolers do it on all 8 of their max levels and basicly take half the leaderboard with one group,
im lucky i can get all of my 4 characters on the leaderboards make no mistake but i do feel its unfair but mostly i get indeed lightning staff of alkosh and stuff.

so long story made short, if stuff like that would just not exist and we would get sharpened sword or whatever of alkosh and get only one place on leaderboards would make it more fair towards the others.

Dubhliam

So true, any I would gladly support leaderboards to be Account wide.

Meaning "@Accountname" gets listed, not "Charactername".

Also a great point: if some item set is clearly ment to be for stamina builds, why the heck would that set have a staff?!

Suggestion: make 1H items and shields hybrid (both magicka sets and stamina sets drop 1H and/or shields), the rest should drop only their respective weapons.

Lark82

I have never understood why the leaderboards aren't based on account name, it would be so much fairer.

I also think it would encourage more people to do trials which has to be good for the game.

Ghost-Shot

I agree, as someone who usually has 4 or 5 characters up for the weeklies it needs to be an account thing not character, but they also need to make sure you are getting useful items from it, no lightning staves for a stam set, no reinforced dps gear.

Dagoth_Rac

Dubhliam wrote: »

Also a great point: if some item set is clearly ment to be for stamina builds, why the heck would that set have a staff?!

I think this is because they want you to clear and farm Vet Maw of Lorkhaj to have best shot at good gear. If the weekly trial leaderboard rewards were always items that were appropriate for set and had good traits, you have 2 problems:

1). You could get a full set of best-in-slot gear by just speed running old trials where you stack and burn bosses who are woefully equipped to deal with 12 VR16 with 501 CP. That is not exactly the challenge you expect to earn the latest and greatest gear.

2). Players with 8 max level characters sharing a few gear sets would not just get 8 items per week, they would get 8 really good items per week and have full legendary sets of all the latest and greatest gear in a few weeks, just from facerolling AA or something silly like that.

So I think the random set + random item + random trait is designed on purpose, to stack RNG and make it possible to get the latest and greatest sets from the weekly, but much worse odds compared to actually running the latest and greatest content.

I think these problems would be solved by having the leaderboards be account bound, not character bound, and increasing quality of items. So no more Restoration Staff of Alkosh, but also no more 8 items per week from doing easy content. Just 1 item, but it should be a pretty good one. It would still take you a long time to get a full set of what you want. Even with a good item, you are going to be a healer who gets a tank set. Or a magicka DPS who gets the same piece of Moondancer two weeks in a row.

player_klaus

i dont feel good, placing 4 chars in the weekly leaderboards. i hope, for the health of the game(causuals vs. elitists), they will only allow one @/leaderboard in future updates. so, im not too unhappy about my 3rd bow of twilight-remedy (karma).
ppl, who will run different accouts are minuscule.

sure, they have to come over that terrible rng-thing before.

Shadesofkin

As one of the people who happens to be on the leaderboard most weeks with a score that sticks, I have to say I'd pitch a fit if leaderboards was account bound. I level my characters they earn the right to get on the leaderboard.

OrphanHelgen

Shadesofkin wrote: »

As one of the people who happens to be on the leaderboard most weeks with a score that sticks, I have to say I'd pitch a fit if leaderboards was account bound. I level my characters they earn the right to get on the leaderboard.

People can easily level a character from level 1 to v16 within a week. Its even more simple after next patch where they will remove veteran levels as well as more character slots.
Point here is that if you already have a guild where all people cooperate well together, they can control the leaderboard completely by doing 8 characters each. Its very easy once you already have a good gear and max champion points, everything are shared among your characters. Only thing you might not have is undaunted passives.

If someone think they earn this much space of the megaserver leaderboard, thats kind of selfish if you ask me. I dont say people doing something wrong, because its the way the system are made, but I really think its not the right way to do it.
Accound bound would bring more players to the trials too I believe. Right now its a reset if people die in AA or if someone are 10 seconds late for the preasure plates.

I also mentioned that there could be better reward for the best scores, witch gives it a reason to actually fight for best scores, and not just being on the leaderboard as it currently is.

Logicbomb00

Yep. I agree with the OP and nearly everything else that's been said. Nothing more to say but whats up there ^^

Woeler

I think every account should be eligible for one gold weekly reward regardless of their score, and then one extra reward for each char on the weekly leaderboard. That way everyone can be happy.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Also a great point: if some item set is clearly ment to be for stamina builds, why the heck would that set have a staff?!

I think this is because they want you to clear and farm Vet Maw of Lorkhaj to have best shot at good gear. If the weekly trial leaderboard rewards were always items that were appropriate for set and had good traits, you have 2 problems:

1). You could get a full set of best-in-slot gear by just speed running old trials where you stack and burn bosses who are woefully equipped to deal with 12 VR16 with 501 CP. That is not exactly the challenge you expect to earn the latest and greatest gear.

2). Players with 8 max level characters sharing a few gear sets would not just get 8 items per week, they would get 8 really good items per week and have full legendary sets of all the latest and greatest gear in a few weeks, just from facerolling AA or something silly like that.

So I think the random set + random item + random trait is designed on purpose, to stack RNG and make it possible to get the latest and greatest sets from the weekly, but much worse odds compared to actually running the latest and greatest content.

I think these problems would be solved by having the leaderboards be account bound, not character bound, and increasing quality of items. So no more Restoration Staff of Alkosh, but also no more 8 items per week from doing easy content. Just 1 item, but it should be a pretty good one. It would still take you a long time to get a full set of what you want. Even with a good item, you are going to be a healer who gets a tank set. Or a magicka DPS who gets the same piece of Moondancer two weeks in a row.

No, they clearly don't want us to farm MoL for gear. Otherwise you would get something better than white no set loot if you do MoL more than once a week. So even when you prefer doing MoL over the old trials, you're basicly forced to do weekly on as many characters as you can, if you need a certain piece of the new sets.

Shadesofkin

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

...If someone think they earn this much space of the megaserver leaderboard, thats kind of selfish if you ask me...

I need you to please understand that I do not mean any disrespect when I say this, I am not salty or anything, there's no anger or hate or anything in my mind right now. I like most of the people on the forums, I think that we all have interesting and varied ideas and we are all passionate (those of us who actually play the game, not the trolls).

Unfair doesn't matter to me. I don't care *at all* about unfair when it comes to this, I care about my rewards, that I actively earned.

It'd be like if someone was working alongside me and told me that my salary was unfair because it was more than theirs...I wouldn't give a flip, it's not important to me if someone else has something, only if I have something and I go about the correct (read: within my own moral and ethical guidelines) way possible to earn that thing.

Now, if those things weren't BoP I might be happy to share some of my rewards, but they are, so I can't do that and therefore I realize that I need to store them and use them or decon them, which means I will earn as many of them as possible and figure out how they're useful to me.

At the end of the day this is (in some respects) my sporting activity (not really but for the purposes of the argument) and I am going to earn my medals and trophies and I'm not going to care that there's a guy who got a few less than me on my team, he can step up his game or he can not...

idk

Valrien wrote: »

ZOS will just nerf the leaderboard so casuals can get top 10.

They just made it so may more can make the leaderboard already. Now it is possible for more than 1000 players to make the weekly for 12 man trial weeks. That's a lot of players.

Of course I know I will get quoted and someone will say but it's the same 12 people and guild talking up all the spots. They are the leaders.

Grabmoore

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

ZOS will just nerf the leaderboard so casuals can get top 10.

They just made it so may more can make the leaderboard already. Now it is possible for more than 1000 players to make the weekly for 12 man trial weeks.

Of course I know I will get quoted and someone will say but it's the same 12 people and guild talking up all the spots. They are the leaders.

You're american i suppose? On EU PC there are 912 characters listed currently with lowest AA score of 128815. That's a ~9 min no death run in order to maybe have a chance. A bit too "lead" imo.

Yeah those "filthy casuals" shouldn't get anything for free, but as soon as character slots are available we won't read a non-"Hodor"/YDKM/Beyond Infinity name on the weekly boards ever...

Destruent

Grabmoore wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

ZOS will just nerf the leaderboard so casuals can get top 10.

They just made it so may more can make the leaderboard already. Now it is possible for more than 1000 players to make the weekly for 12 man trial weeks.

Of course I know I will get quoted and someone will say but it's the same 12 people and guild talking up all the spots. They are the leaders.

You're american i suppose? On EU PC there are 912 characters listed currently with lowest AA score of 128815. That's a ~9 min no death run in order to maybe have a chance. A bit too "lead" imo.

Yeah those "filthy casuals" shouldn't get anything for free, but as soon as character slots are available we won't read a non-"Hodor"/YDKM/Beyond Infinity name on the weekly boards ever...

They need to fix their rewards-system in general. I usually get only useless items and aslong as i (and others) don't have our equipment we won't stop farming it. Atm there are only two ways to do so: weeklys and vMoL.

Grabmoore

Destruent wrote: »

They need to fix their rewards-system in general. I usually get only useless items and aslong as i (and others) don't have our equipment we won't stop farming it. Atm there are only two ways to do so: weeklys and vMoL.

Yes, I am with you

They need to do something about the reward quality. I don't blame the top guilds for farming it, they need to do it or fall behind.

code65536

Grabmoore wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

ZOS will just nerf the leaderboard so casuals can get top 10.

They just made it so may more can make the leaderboard already. Now it is possible for more than 1000 players to make the weekly for 12 man trial weeks.

Of course I know I will get quoted and someone will say but it's the same 12 people and guild talking up all the spots. They are the leaders.

You're american i suppose? On EU PC there are 912 characters listed currently with lowest AA score of 128815. That's a ~9 min no death run in order to maybe have a chance. A bit too "lead" imo.

Yeah those "filthy casuals" shouldn't get anything for free, but as soon as character slots are available we won't read a non-"Hodor"/YDKM/Beyond Infinity name on the weekly boards ever...

But that's the all-time, not the weekly.

Destruent

code65536 wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

ZOS will just nerf the leaderboard so casuals can get top 10.

They just made it so may more can make the leaderboard already. Now it is possible for more than 1000 players to make the weekly for 12 man trial weeks.

Of course I know I will get quoted and someone will say but it's the same 12 people and guild talking up all the spots. They are the leaders.

You're american i suppose? On EU PC there are 912 characters listed currently with lowest AA score of 128815. That's a ~9 min no death run in order to maybe have a chance. A bit too "lead" imo.

Yeah those "filthy casuals" shouldn't get anything for free, but as soon as character slots are available we won't read a non-"Hodor"/YDKM/Beyond Infinity name on the weekly boards ever...

But that's the all-time, not the weekly.

leaderboards are for progress-guilds...so it's not that unusual to see only progress guilds in there

Grabmoore

code65536 wrote: »

But that's the all-time, not the weekly.

Eh..no?! That's the score and numbers you see when selecting the weekly (AA still). The all time lowest is 129402, at least from what I witness.

idk

Grabmoore wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

ZOS will just nerf the leaderboard so casuals can get top 10.

They just made it so may more can make the leaderboard already. Now it is possible for more than 1000 players to make the weekly for 12 man trial weeks.

Of course I know I will get quoted and someone will say but it's the same 12 people and guild talking up all the spots. They are the leaders.

You're american i suppose? On EU PC there are 912 characters listed currently with lowest AA score of 128815. That's a ~9 min no death run in order to maybe have a chance. A bit too "lead" imo.

Yeah those "filthy casuals" shouldn't get anything for free, but as soon as character slots are available we won't read a non-"Hodor"/YDKM/Beyond Infinity name on the weekly boards ever...

What does the server I'm on have to do with the leaderboard? It's set up the same on both servers. There's only 912 because you have several people running through on the same characters carrying others through.

There is actually a simple fix of weekly lockouts (per character) that solves much of the reason for qq without punishing the stronger players.

It's really short sighted to want to punish players by limiting them to only one character.