Haderus XB1 EU

MightyBantam34 · June 2016

Yeah it's a shame @dalglish I thought this campaign was gonna be real competitive in the beginning there was loads of small scale fights to be had now it's hard to not hit a keep without been zerged down or a emp bomb build waiting in sneak in a keep to wipe your small party from taking any keeps. (Sorry chap)
Time we organised some less serious fun pvp

HoolDog · June 2016

Gone back to being a futile fight again. A choice between the mass Zerg on Zerg fighting in scourge or being murdered by yellows in haderous. Took the watching TV with the wife option... Thanks AD! Thanks very much! Lol

RabNebula · June 2016

I pulled The Asaro into Haderus just for this weekend just to get that emp title for someone then we're gone back to Scourge. Theres no reds on. LT RAMM brought The Glory Hunters in with a few this morning and did a great job. Then after RAMM had to go there was a handful from EP Elite and then about 17 Asaro. Took half the map, then Koopa gets his DC pals on and a zerg of 2 max AD groups and all progress was halted. Always getting asked to jump in Haderus and help out the other guilds get out the gates. Where they at now?! haha Typical timing.

Seriously though, its no wonder people dont like AD or pvp these days. I mean the working with blues, the zergs, the night caps. Its like they dont want to have any fun fighting or having a healthy pvp for the game. Totally killed Haderus through fighting dirty by the looks of it.

If you're in EP then theres still a strong Asaro group running so get in there for a good fight.

CeeJonesy · June 2016

Showed up to help with the emp push today. The yellow emp there is pathetic. Calling in that many people to defend when he couldn't, easy out numbered ep 3/1 in the end. Even had a few french blue players that I know are chummy with the current emp show up to pre flag keeps for him/harrass our seige line on the north side when he was defending somewhere else. Before he claims he didnt my whole group sat at blue road watching the pre flagging happen with the emp jumping in when he showed up giving them time to pack up and move to the next spot once the wall was down.

Been on this campaign to see what its like for two days now and the amount of cheap crap that goes on is beyond a joke. Ive seen people jumping on red characters to let dk's and nb's into keeps that are being attacked and running around with a yellow zerg pointing out people in stealth. 24+ groups running against 3-4 man groups, and now this crap of going from equal players to 2 bars vs a 2 12 man groups and maybe 6 randoms within 5 mins of us getting it down to the final 2 emp keeps.

It's a dead campaign and I can see it staying that way for a long time.

RabNebula · June 2016

CeeJonesy wrote: »

Showed up to help with the emp push today. The yellow emp there is pathetic. Calling in that many people to defend when he couldn't, easy out numbered ep 3/1 in the end. Even had a few french blue players that I know are chummy with the current emp show up to pre flag keeps for him/harrass our seige line on the north side when he was defending somewhere else. Before he claims he didnt my whole group sat at blue road watching the pre flagging happen with the emp jumping in when he showed up giving them time to pack up and move to the next spot once the wall was down.

Been on this campaign to see what its like for two days now and the amount of cheap crap that goes on is beyond a joke. Ive seen people jumping on red characters to let dk's and nb's into keeps that are being attacked and running around with a yellow zerg pointing out people in stealth. 24+ groups running against 3-4 man groups, and now this crap of going from equal players to 2 bars vs a 2 12 man groups and maybe 6 randoms within 5 mins of us getting it down to the final 2 emp keeps.

It's a dead campaign and I can see it staying that way for a long time.

Its a shame its a dead campaign and that nothing more is done to stop the letting people in keeps, switching characters from one alliance to another in the same campaign etc.

I dont know how these AD players can be happy with killing PvP. It's actually baffling the things they do and that there are blues helping them instead of working to clean up the filth is even worse!

I've got to say fair play to 2 of the blues we saw about who actually played with the spirit of the game and opted to fight to be the solution rather than adding to the problem. Well done to MarcoPolo and his pal for being good sports and going for AD!

We'll fight against you when you have emp or if theres no emp at all but when AD are doing things like this you can be sure we'll play fair with you!

The other thing Zenimax needs to do to revitalise the populations is to stop having "Home" and "Guest"! Zeni use some damn logic with your game development! People are not going to want to play on their guest campaign if they arent counted in for rewards! Whats the point in rewarding people differently for what is effectively the same battles and same amount of effort?! Just give everyone 2 homes so we dont end up with 1 overloaded campaign like Scourge and a dead campaign like Haderus!

Beardimus · June 2016

Fully agree with you @RabNebula, I prefer the 7 day maps, But since they dropped Thornblade Hade has been the same Yellows just zerging about and gate camping. Was cool earlier as the game hotted up then they zerged it up and the fun was sucked out of it. I saw some green action first hand, thought it was coincidence but keep after keep a couple of blues tagged along but didn't get challenged by yellows. Anyway, every alliances has its day, tables will turn sometime.

Agree with you on the guest / home thing. I thought that was going with DB in two weeks I might be wrong tho. See you in Cyro soon

DjSolJAH · June 2016

@CeeJonesy you will be able to set the same main campaign on any of your toons with DB. No penalty for switching campaigns either

CeeJonesy · June 2016

I'm pretty sure you can set the same home on any character already and honestly 150k is what like 2-3 hours of play at most or even less if chasing ticks/solo ganking (if you rotate around the map after the drop off happens). I guested there anyway so no loss at all.

Tbh not sure what you are getting at with that.

RabNebula · June 2016

CeeJonesy wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you can set the same home on any character already and honestly 150k is what like 2-3 hours of play at most or even less if chasing ticks/solo ganking (if you rotate around the map after the drop off happens). I guested there anyway so no loss at all.

Tbh not sure what you are getting at with that.

Yeh my dk and templar have Scourge as home. Not sure why I keep seeing people talking about that coming in Dark Brotherhood.

Really just shouldnt be a home/guest. It should just be your pvp score. Gets both campaigns competitive. It won't happen because when do companies ever really listen to the ideas of the people who play the thing? They could tie the scoring together so the shorter Haderus victories could give gold and big bunches of soul gems as rewards. Them the Haderus results each week can be added as a boost on top of the Scourge score. The winning alliance is decided for the scoring of both campaigns after a month. Thats when the gold items can drop. At least something along those lines would make it better.

MightyBantam34 · June 2016

@CeeJonesy yeah it's a shame a few people feel the need to cheat/ manipulate the game and spoil this campaign for the honest players .happens on both campaigns , I use to love haderus for the small scale pvp but now that is gone . Scourge.. I just join now to get my tier 3 rewards I don't give a damn about the score. It's only a 2 faction campaign anyway seen as reds spend there time zerging arena or in cyrodil not going past blue road pvp is in a sad state at the moment ruined by a few guild leaders and mindless idiots

RabNebula · June 2016

MightyBantam34 wrote: »

@CeeJonesy yeah it's a shame a few people feel the need to cheat/ manipulate the game and spoil this campaign for the honest players .happens on both campaigns , I use to love haderus for the small scale pvp but now that is gone . Scourge.. I just join now to get my tier 3 rewards I don't give a damn about the score. It's only a 2 faction campaign anyway seen as reds spend there time zerging arena or in cyrodil not going past blue road pvp is in a sad state at the moment ruined by a few guild leaders and mindless idiots

Some of the trouble with EP not going past Blue Road is that AD zerg in that direction 90% of the time. You cant touch Blue Road for all the crashes most of the time. Crashing the game is AD's 1st line of defence and its impenetrable at times. You'll bust into the keep and when you get back on it turns out everybody crashed out. You cut behind to Sejanus or Alessia instead and the zerg comes and you just crash there instead. So the EP not pushing past Blue Road isnt entirely EP's fault.

Ha I'd be interested to know which guild leaders and mindless idiots youre talking about in particular.

Theres certainly few that dont help the health of pvp at the moment.

I think the trouble with Arena District that really favours AD is the DC and EP bases are basically right on top of each other. AD dont get straight in the combat like that so you get a lot of DC and EP down there and half as many AD. Zeni need to change the stupid layout of the area like flip DC's base and that pit next to their base around so they are just a bit further away from the EP base. If they spread the bases better then you wouldnt get people who go down there purely because they think theyre getting more ap (theyre not because in Cyro I get 1.2k off some kills while in arena I get 12ap if I'm lucky).

MightyBantam34 · June 2016

I personally don't like the quick travel to the districts each faction should have one route to the top rest is either by going through sewers to the ladders or traveling zone to zone uptop especially as flag capture of the districts is possible next patch . That bad at blue road had no idea think our lag out area is Roebeck although doesn't sound as bad as yours

MightyBantam34 · June 2016

Me as a DC player 99.9% of the time 0.01% EP have never teamed up with the 2 other factions I have friends on both but if we see each other blood rage happens . I feel this is probably the same for the majority of players with the minority ruining it for the rest of us . You should message me on Xbox live these traitor blues names so I can tell my people in DC and shun these people .
Maybe some heckles in area chat

AJ_1988 · June 2016

I'm trying to get a few people from DC to move to this campaign. I Havnt joined it yet but planing on it. If there were more numbers on DC and EP it would be a good campaign as everyone prefers 30 days but I personally prefer the 7 days. The scourge is atm it's pretty pathetic IMO.

MightyBantam34 · June 2016

I'm already there on a couple characters only go on scourge to get tier3 . Trying to get more of my guild friends to get to haderus . Maybe once the dlc is released and things settle down More people might join.
Note to all faction guild leaders can we make haderus a good pvp environment
No spawn camping
No organised night capping( nothing we can do about randoms)
No exploiting. Ambush into keeps etc
Let's leave all that crap in scourge with the salty folks

AJ_1988 · June 2016

MightyBantam34 wrote: »

I'm already there on a couple characters only go on scourge to get tier3 . Trying to get more of my guild friends to get to haderus . Maybe once the dlc is released and things settle down More people might join.
Note to all faction guild leaders can we make haderus a good pvp environment
No spawn camping
No organised night capping( nothing we can do about randoms)
No exploiting. Ambush into keeps etc
Let's leave all that crap in scourge with the salty folks

You forgot to say have some skill and grow more than one finger lol. The wrecking blow changes should alleviate some of that but seriously people need to grow more fingers and stop one button spamming

AJ_1988 · June 2016

MightyBantam34 wrote: »

I personally don't like the quick travel to the districts each faction should have one route to the top rest is either by going through sewers to the ladders or traveling zone to zone uptop especially as flag capture of the districts is possible next patch . That bad at blue road had no idea think our lag out area is Roebeck although doesn't sound as bad as yours

When IC first got announced I was hoping that you would have to enter via the bridges not through the sewers. But I can understand the reason they did it how it is.

CeeJonesy · June 2016

MightyBantam34 wrote: »

Note to all faction guild leaders can we make haderus a good pvp environment
No spawn camping
No organised night capping( nothing we can do about randoms)
No exploiting. Ambush into keeps etc
Let's leave all that crap in scourge with the salty folks

I've been told a few of my guildmates want to switch to this campaign so might as well respond as it seems I might make my way over to this campaign soon.

I don't see yellows playing along. Hindmarsh and his lot will do what they can in order to stay in control of that campaign. Haderus was always the yellow campaign and most of them (mostly the older players) see it staying that way and will do anything they can to keep it that way which leads to this crap with them abusing glitches and using scummy tactics to get ahead. However, I'm sure myself and my guildies will adhere to the suggestions in the quoted text. At the end of the day, I just want to play the game like everyone else without the lag, the crashing or the cheap tricks ruining the fun.

MightyBantam34 · June 2016

Well from my DC group we will always play fair. Hopefully I'll be able to drag a few more DC at peak times because of scourge lag and 100+ zergs running riot and make this campaign really competitive. Ain't seen hindmarsh and his lot in a while but getting blues home keeps is a priority then we are coming for you reds to get our scrolls back .

MightyBantam34 · June 2016

For those interested , AP farming with reds and yellows and chalmen keep right now , disgusting for those who try to earn emp the proper way . Video proof if you want to see

smokey13a · June 2016

CeeJonesy wrote: »

I've been told a few of my guildmates want to switch to this campaign so might as well respond as it seems I might make my way over to this campaign soon.

i don't know if I'll be moving to haderus or not, I mean in scourge we have TKL and lag but people don't let each other into keeps that much where as in haderus there is less lag but there is a lot more scummy tactics, even the former AD emp told me he had people using their alts to let each other in.

However, I'm sure myself and my guildies will adhere to the suggestions in the quoted text.

yeah, we don't do any of that crap, although on a couple of occasions I have been sucked through a door when trying to kill someone before they enter a keep and I have used dragon leap to jump from the outer wall to the inner wall but that's usually only if they are trying to take me out with a bow and I just happen to be in the right spot.

At the end of the day, I just want to play the game like everyone else without the lag, the crashing or the cheap tricks ruining the fun.

I don't think there is anywhere like that left in this game because of zos and certain players.

RabNebula · June 2016

MightyBantam34 wrote: »

For those interested , AP farming with reds and yellows and chalmen keep right now , disgusting for those who try to earn emp the proper way . Video proof if you want to see

Probably AD on alt characters mostly. I've seen it a few times before.

smokey13a wrote: »

CeeJonesy wrote: »

I've been told a few of my guildmates want to switch to this campaign so might as well respond as it seems I might make my way over to this campaign soon.

i don't know if I'll be moving to haderus or not, I mean in scourge we have TKL and lag but people don't let each other into keeps that much where as in haderus there is less lag but there is a lot more scummy tactics, even the former AD emp told me he had people using their alts to let each other in.

However, I'm sure myself and my guildies will adhere to the suggestions in the quoted text.

yeah, we don't do any of that crap, although on a couple of occasions I have been sucked through a door when trying to kill someone before they enter a keep and I have used dragon leap to jump from the outer wall to the inner wall but that's usually only if they are trying to take me out with a bow and I just happen to be in the right spot.

At the end of the day, I just want to play the game like everyone else without the lag, the crashing or the cheap tricks ruining the fun.

I don't think there is anywhere like that left in this game because of zos and certain players.

Scourge you still get the foul play but its a much higher population campaign so it gets drowned out a little more. You also get the zergs guilds of both AD and DC nightcapping the map when nobody is on. When everyone is on those zergs just mash the forward camps out and zerg until they've ddos'd their way through keeps. Because Haderus is a lower pop theres less crashes, lag etc and really that smoother experience is far more fun than I've had in Scourge for a long time.

It's a decision for the whole guild to make but personally I'm finding much more reward in Haderus because it plays better and people dont give up on the campaign half way through because its only a week long. Because Zeni havent got enough in place to counter nightcaps and things then Scourge gets to a point where pvp is almost pointless for 2 weeks as the alliance can fall so far behind. Also its such a commitment to keep that up for a whole month. I just didnt have time in my life for it last campaign!

I think its fine to get into keeps if you do it legit but its when people get their characters switched just to let people in on purpose that it becomes an issue. I think if the keeps not flagged then it could just zap you dead if youre in the keep kind of how it works with chaining yourself into spawns in Imperial City. That would clear a lot of the dirt play out.

I think if The Asaro put enough pressure on in Haderus then those cheap tricks wouldnt matter as much. We've taken half the map with just us a couple of times so we know we can do it. It's just depending on whether people fancy the switch or not.

smokey13a · June 2016

RabNebula wrote: »

Scourge you still get the foul play but its a much higher population campaign so it gets drowned out a little more. You also get the zergs guilds of both AD and DC nightcapping the map when nobody is on. When everyone is on those zergs just mash the forward camps out and zerg until they've ddos'd their way through keeps. Because Haderus is a lower pop theres less crashes, lag etc and really that smoother experience is far more fun than I've had in Scourge for a long time.

the last few nights its only been DC nightcapping scourge really, well I've been seeing around 15 EP and AD where as DC has a full bar of population, EP and most AD cant recapture keeps because they zergerd but a few AD are running with the DC zerg, although I did find it funny when I called the current DC a "scummy cheater" and he didn't like it(he was using ambush to get into keeps as much as he could).

I agree haderus was more fun and less laggy the day we had about equal population and were beating the scummy tactics the AD emp was using but there is so many cheaters in it its ridiculous, on the other hand I've read a few posts on the forum saying that the lag is even worse now DB is out so I might have to leave scourge as it was unplayable half the time anyway but now it could be completely unplayable.

It's a decision for the whole guild to make but personally I'm finding much more reward in Haderus because it plays better and people dont give up on the campaign half way through because its only a week long. Because Zeni havent got enough in place to counter nightcaps and things then Scourge gets to a point where pvp is almost pointless for 2 weeks as the alliance can fall so far behind. Also its such a commitment to keep that up for a whole month. I just didnt have time in my life for it last campaign!

I know what your saying about it becoming pointless, with scummy DC(not all of DC, just certain ones that know who they are) nightcappers basically rigging the game its already fairly pointless and its only a few days in.

as for switching, I am keeping my NB in scourge for this campaign as the last time I checked he was in the top 100 and I want the gold items(although if they suck like the ones I got the other day then I wont be playing scourge anymore) but I don't mind moving my DK over to haderus, not sure how good hes going to be though, with DB release he will be same level as my NB but I read ZOS purposely nerfed one of the moves I use regularly making it useless and they changed a few to the poison stuff probably making him weaker still so let me know if we are switching and I'll jump him over.

I think its fine to get into keeps if you do it legit but its when people get their characters switched just to let people in on purpose that it becomes an issue. I think if the keeps not flagged then it could just zap you dead if youre in the keep kind of how it works with chaining yourself into spawns in Imperial City. That would clear a lot of the dirt play out.

I had pretty much the same idea and wrote it in the scourge thread, zos would probably never implement it though even if its a simple fix that would take no more then a couple of hours to do(even I could do it).

I think if The Asaro put enough pressure on in Haderus then those cheap tricks wouldnt matter as much. We've taken half the map with just us a couple of times so we know we can do it. It's just depending on whether people fancy the switch or not.

maybe but we would need to get a few other guilds to switch as well.

RabNebula · June 2016

smokey13a wrote: »

RabNebula wrote: »

Scourge you still get the foul play but its a much higher population campaign so it gets drowned out a little more. You also get the zergs guilds of both AD and DC nightcapping the map when nobody is on. When everyone is on those zergs just mash the forward camps out and zerg until they've ddos'd their way through keeps. Because Haderus is a lower pop theres less crashes, lag etc and really that smoother experience is far more fun than I've had in Scourge for a long time.

the last few nights its only been DC nightcapping scourge really, well I've been seeing around 15 EP and AD where as DC has a full bar of population, EP and most AD cant recapture keeps because they zergerd but a few AD are running with the DC zerg, although I did find it funny when I called the current DC a "scummy cheater" and he didn't like it(he was using ambush to get into keeps as much as he could).

I agree haderus was more fun and less laggy the day we had about equal population and were beating the scummy tactics the AD emp was using but there is so many cheaters in it its ridiculous, on the other hand I've read a few posts on the forum saying that the lag is even worse now DB is out so I might have to leave scourge as it was unplayable half the time anyway but now it could be completely unplayable.

It's a decision for the whole guild to make but personally I'm finding much more reward in Haderus because it plays better and people dont give up on the campaign half way through because its only a week long. Because Zeni havent got enough in place to counter nightcaps and things then Scourge gets to a point where pvp is almost pointless for 2 weeks as the alliance can fall so far behind. Also its such a commitment to keep that up for a whole month. I just didnt have time in my life for it last campaign!

I know what your saying about it becoming pointless, with scummy DC(not all of DC, just certain ones that know who they are) nightcappers basically rigging the game its already fairly pointless and its only a few days in.

as for switching, I am keeping my NB in scourge for this campaign as the last time I checked he was in the top 100 and I want the gold items(although if they suck like the ones I got the other day then I wont be playing scourge anymore) but I don't mind moving my DK over to haderus, not sure how good hes going to be though, with DB release he will be same level as my NB but I read ZOS purposely nerfed one of the moves I use regularly making it useless and they changed a few to the poison stuff probably making him weaker still so let me know if we are switching and I'll jump him over.

I think its fine to get into keeps if you do it legit but its when people get their characters switched just to let people in on purpose that it becomes an issue. I think if the keeps not flagged then it could just zap you dead if youre in the keep kind of how it works with chaining yourself into spawns in Imperial City. That would clear a lot of the dirt play out.

I had pretty much the same idea and wrote it in the scourge thread, zos would probably never implement it though even if its a simple fix that would take no more then a couple of hours to do(even I could do it).

I think if The Asaro put enough pressure on in Haderus then those cheap tricks wouldnt matter as much. We've taken half the map with just us a couple of times so we know we can do it. It's just depending on whether people fancy the switch or not.

maybe but we would need to get a few other guilds to switch as well.

The other thing with Scourge is that every time I take us in there and look at the map it is always the same. EP at Arrius. AD all the way up to Blue Road without touching Roebeck and DC pushing down to Faregyl. When TKL are on and the AD zerg isnt then AD are just DC puppets and vice versa. Its just boring being EP in there because most of it is just AP farm at Arrius Lumbermill with only a few really trying to push out like we do considering its 3 bar pop.

If you switch your NB over I think the AP comes with it so you'll basically get gold rewards for that week in Haderus. You get less at a time in Haderus but its far less of a commitment so if you can get on 1 week but not again for 2 weeks for example then you just missed out on 2 weeks of rewards but can still get gold items. Do that in scourge and you have to be really dedicated to getting that AP up over the whole month to maintain that top 100 position. Either way though, dont worry too much this week. I put a note up earlier because I think everyone is wanting to to the new quests, farm and sort their new builds out with all the trait changes etc so it's best not to really focus on the pvp for this week. We'll test Haderus next week just for 1 week and see how it goes. I was in Scourge tonight with a few of us and we were all lagging even when all the alliances were only on 2 bar pop. Its really bad that its lagging like that when the campaign isnt even maxed out.

With your DK I think the poison could be really good. I've switched to SDK just to try it and I can definitely see some potential there. Im just working out whether it fits better to go with duel wield or 2 handed atm and which monster sets suit me best. But yeh, I think poison wont be as bad as you might imagine.

As for getting other guilds to switch. Im trying to get in touch with different guilds at the moment so we are more linked up with them all but it takes a lot of time to communicate with them all as EP is just so fractionalised. If you know any then put them on to me and I'll speak to them.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · June 2016

@RabNebula Hey are you guys in a committed pvp Pact guild on xbox EU? I'm interested if recruiting.

I'm a pact loyalist, I have a pvp blazing tank and also a few dps characters. I don't pvp 24/7 but I play enough to contribute.

smokey13a · June 2016

EquinoxS wrote: »

@RabNebula Hey are you guys in a committed pvp Pact guild on xbox EU? I'm interested if recruiting.

I'm a pact loyalist, I have a pvp blazing tank and also a few dps characters. I don't pvp 24/7 but I play enough to contribute.

He's guildmaster of the Asaro, they/we do more then just pvp, they do everything and yes we are on xbox EU. I just checked my permisions and it looks like I can invite you if you want

RabNebula · June 2016

smokey13a wrote: »

EquinoxS wrote: »

@RabNebula Hey are you guys in a committed pvp Pact guild on xbox EU? I'm interested if recruiting.

I'm a pact loyalist, I have a pvp blazing tank and also a few dps characters. I don't pvp 24/7 but I play enough to contribute.

He's guildmaster of the Asaro, they/we do more then just pvp, they do everything and yes we are on xbox EU. I just checked my permisions and it looks like I can invite you if you want

Thanks for that Smokey

Yeh PvP main but PvE and trade too just to keep it interesting

AJ_1988 · July 2016

Bringing this post back from the dead.

Calling all alliances. Mainly DC and EP.

Let's make this campaign active. Nothing overpopulated. This could become a good campaign with greatly reduced lag, I'm looking for people to make the switch and enjoy good battles without the BS.

Let's leave the tri-alliance guilds to play with themselves in the lag fested and exploit full scourge.

No keep jumping, no side switching, no BS, just good old pvp action like the old days.

Form our own guilds for our alliance and let's make the most of cyrodiil.

I'm looking to make the switch at the end of the scourge campaign (9days) so stand up for your alliance and stand up for your right to BS free old fashion battles.

The Eight Divines want you!!

AJ_1988 · July 2016

RabNebula wrote: »

smokey13a wrote: »

RabNebula wrote: »

Scourge you still get the foul play but its a much higher population campaign so it gets drowned out a little more. You also get the zergs guilds of both AD and DC nightcapping the map when nobody is on. When everyone is on those zergs just mash the forward camps out and zerg until they've ddos'd their way through keeps. Because Haderus is a lower pop theres less crashes, lag etc and really that smoother experience is far more fun than I've had in Scourge for a long time.

the last few nights its only been DC nightcapping scourge really, well I've been seeing around 15 EP and AD where as DC has a full bar of population, EP and most AD cant recapture keeps because they zergerd but a few AD are running with the DC zerg, although I did find it funny when I called the current DC a "scummy cheater" and he didn't like it(he was using ambush to get into keeps as much as he could).

I agree haderus was more fun and less laggy the day we had about equal population and were beating the scummy tactics the AD emp was using but there is so many cheaters in it its ridiculous, on the other hand I've read a few posts on the forum saying that the lag is even worse now DB is out so I might have to leave scourge as it was unplayable half the time anyway but now it could be completely unplayable.

It's a decision for the whole guild to make but personally I'm finding much more reward in Haderus because it plays better and people dont give up on the campaign half way through because its only a week long. Because Zeni havent got enough in place to counter nightcaps and things then Scourge gets to a point where pvp is almost pointless for 2 weeks as the alliance can fall so far behind. Also its such a commitment to keep that up for a whole month. I just didnt have time in my life for it last campaign!

I know what your saying about it becoming pointless, with scummy DC(not all of DC, just certain ones that know who they are) nightcappers basically rigging the game its already fairly pointless and its only a few days in.

as for switching, I am keeping my NB in scourge for this campaign as the last time I checked he was in the top 100 and I want the gold items(although if they suck like the ones I got the other day then I wont be playing scourge anymore) but I don't mind moving my DK over to haderus, not sure how good hes going to be though, with DB release he will be same level as my NB but I read ZOS purposely nerfed one of the moves I use regularly making it useless and they changed a few to the poison stuff probably making him weaker still so let me know if we are switching and I'll jump him over.

I think its fine to get into keeps if you do it legit but its when people get their characters switched just to let people in on purpose that it becomes an issue. I think if the keeps not flagged then it could just zap you dead if youre in the keep kind of how it works with chaining yourself into spawns in Imperial City. That would clear a lot of the dirt play out.

I had pretty much the same idea and wrote it in the scourge thread, zos would probably never implement it though even if its a simple fix that would take no more then a couple of hours to do(even I could do it).

I think if The Asaro put enough pressure on in Haderus then those cheap tricks wouldnt matter as much. We've taken half the map with just us a couple of times so we know we can do it. It's just depending on whether people fancy the switch or not.

maybe but we would need to get a few other guilds to switch as well.

The other thing with Scourge is that every time I take us in there and look at the map it is always the same. EP at Arrius. AD all the way up to Blue Road without touching Roebeck and DC pushing down to Faregyl. When TKL are on and the AD zerg isnt then AD are just DC puppets and vice versa. Its just boring being EP in there because most of it is just AP farm at Arrius Lumbermill with only a few really trying to push out like we do considering its 3 bar pop.

If you switch your NB over I think the AP comes with it so you'll basically get gold rewards for that week in Haderus. You get less at a time in Haderus but its far less of a commitment so if you can get on 1 week but not again for 2 weeks for example then you just missed out on 2 weeks of rewards but can still get gold items. Do that in scourge and you have to be really dedicated to getting that AP up over the whole month to maintain that top 100 position. Either way though, dont worry too much this week. I put a note up earlier because I think everyone is wanting to to the new quests, farm and sort their new builds out with all the trait changes etc so it's best not to really focus on the pvp for this week. We'll test Haderus next week just for 1 week and see how it goes. I was in Scourge tonight with a few of us and we were all lagging even when all the alliances were only on 2 bar pop. Its really bad that its lagging like that when the campaign isnt even maxed out.

With your DK I think the poison could be really good. I've switched to SDK just to try it and I can definitely see some potential there. Im just working out whether it fits better to go with duel wield or 2 handed atm and which monster sets suit me best. But yeh, I think poison wont be as bad as you might imagine.

As for getting other guilds to switch. Im trying to get in touch with different guilds at the moment so we are more linked up with them all but it takes a lot of time to communicate with them all as EP is just so fractionalised. If you know any then put them on to me and I'll speak to them.

Sorry to bring this from the dead. AP as far as I know doesn't come with you. The AP you have does but not the leaderboard AP. When you change campaign I'm pretty sure you get paid out for the campaign you left but they may have changed it I'm not sure.

RabNebula · July 2016

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Bringing this post back from the dead.

Calling all alliances. Mainly DC and EP.

Let's make this campaign active. Nothing overpopulated. This could become a good campaign with greatly reduced lag, I'm looking for people to make the switch and enjoy good battles without the BS.

Let's leave the tri-alliance guilds to play with themselves in the lag fested and exploit full scourge.

No keep jumping, no side switching, no BS, just good old pvp action like the old days.

Form our own guilds for our alliance and let's make the most of cyrodiil.

I'm looking to make the switch at the end of the scourge campaign (9days) so stand up for your alliance and stand up for your right to BS free old fashion battles.

The Eight Divines want you!!

I did bring The Asaro into Haderus and we started to work closely with the other Haderus guilds. I really hoped we could help bump up the population and get it more competitive in the bigger picture.

The trouble was that DC didnt really turn up and AD kind of just disappear whenever a bit of a challenge is on for a couple of days. Now it's mostly red at the moment and its just such a low population campaign for most of the time.

It became clear that having a guild the size of The Asaro in the campaign wasn't going to be good for the health of Haderus or The Asaro itself. Moving to Haderus permanently would have meant leaving behind half the players who for some reason seem to love Scourge and wont ever move from it no matter how many crashes they sit through. So in that sense it would have seriously reduced the potential player base for the guild at a really important time in the guilds development. Even though many players didnt switch for the 1 week trial run in Harderus it was still clear the guild had too much for the current state of Haderus though.

So I made the decision that The Asaro can be put to best use for EP back in Scourge and when the population bumps up and the Haderus guilds call for us then we will come to the fight because we did have a good time collaborating with those guys in there and hope they'll continue to work with us in Scourge too.