THE PUG CHECKLIST (READ THIS BEFORE USING THE VET DUNGEON FINDER).
mistermutiny89
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A LIST OF THINGS TO KNOW BEFORE ENTERING VETERAN DUNGEONS VIA THE ACTIVITY FINDER
1. Choose one role
- From game menu select: SOCIAL > GROUP then under group roles turn your role icon grey (all others will be black) double bracket... Not everyone knows this.
- No matter how amazing you are at multi tasking, in vet dungeon queues you pick one (comments disagreeing begin in 3,2,1)
- Don't select all of them to get you in front of the queue, you'll end up wasting your time and everyone else's, plus its a good way to get kicked from the group and thrown back in the queue. Plus lying and getting people to carry you isn't fresh. Be fresh.
2. Know your role
I'll be underlining your role within vet dungeons along with preferred stat pools and what you should have levelled up before entering veteran dungeons. If you do not follow said dot points there is a 48 percent rng chance that Liam Kneeson (that K though) will find you. Preferred stats on players under vet 15 should head to a scaled area like Wrothgar or Hew's Bane or Cyrodiil (minus 5,000 health buff in pvp areas) as the finder puts you in scaled instances.
TANK
YOUR ROLE:
- Taunt high priority targets (bosses, enemies that stun, enemies that heal, mini bosses), face these enemies away from your allies so your team mates don't get to see how hot they are, they're yours. ALL YOURS!
- Inner Fire from the undaunted skill tree and Puncture from the Sword & Shield tree activate taunt
- if you do not have the aforementioned skills on your bar, you are not a tank, go back to step one and change roles
- "Bash" to interrupt enemy healers, and some boss abilities (if the boss looks like it's charging to do something nasty: try and put a sheild in its beech face)
- protect thy healer, keep an eye on his or her health, if their health fluctuates too much, find the little kuta ravaging your healer's health and (ask it nicely to stop) taunt it.
- Either sprinkle heals over time or damage over time, or both.
- Get Aggressive Warhorn (from pvp) and cast it during boss fights. (Gives a 30% crit damage bonus to all team mates).
IMPORTANT STATS
Health
Preferred: 30,000
Minimum: 27,500
Maximum: 32,500 (bit of a waste)
Physical and Spell Resistance
Preferred: 32,500
Realistic: 28-30k (buffed)
Passable: 25k (buffed)
All other stats are up to you and your build. (This is not a build thread). Keep in mind that any points into stam recovery are a little pointless as you don't regen stamina when blocking (thank you pvp, you're the BEST), in which you should be doing most of the time.
LEVEL THESE:
- Sword and board
- Heavy Armour
- Imperial dance emote
HEALER
YOUR ROLE:
- Buff > Damage > Heal > Damage
- In between heals, always be doing damage with instant cast aoes and dots (you can use Radiant Destruction of course but only during low risk stages of the battle or after casting stacked Healing Springs on allies in possible danger)
- Give resources to your team mates (Templars are the boss of this as they have the only abilities in the game that restore large amounts of stamina - for magicka return there's Undaunted's Necrotic Orb and its morph or siphon spirit or Elemental Drain.. seriously though, if you are a healing Templar without Blazing Spear or Luminous Shards you are doing your team a massive disservice.. It should be spammed in fight openings and given to tanks since they have no stamina regen).
- Buff allies, if you've joined a group with low dps, give them some steriods... I mean.. give 'em a damage buff by casting Combat Prayer from the restoration skill line (if they are doing fine, leave it off - if you're familiar with your group and you feel you have the time, leave it on).
- Don't just spam one strong heal, have one or two heal over time's too
IMPORTANT STATS
- Magicka recovery is the only one other than magicka and spell power that is relative to your healer as they determine how powerful your heals will be and how often you get to cast them, an A grade healer will snore through around 1,000 recovery.. I stay around 1,500 to be safe. Do the numbers, start with recovery enchants on your jewellry and slowly replace them with spell power as you get better
- Have at least 18k health so you don't get one shot (remember this is 18k health in a scaled area or if you are vet 15-16).
- Spell crit, crits in pve are love, crits in pve are life. Make sure your spell crit is above 55%, 70-75% at vet 16 is amazing.
LEVEL THESE:
- Light armour
- Restoration Staff
- Destruction Staff
- Dual Wield (advanced templars)
- Magikarp (huh?)
DPS or DAMAGE DEALERS
YOUR ROLE:
- Do damage (durr, gosh)
- No that doesn't mean spamming Snipe or Wrecking Blow or hard casting Crystal Fragments by themselves!!
- Have damage over time effects running at the same time as you spam your favourite damage ability
- Example for a stamina dps rotation: (start on bow bar) BUFF > CALTROPS > ARROW BARRAGE > (bar swap) > SURPRISE ATTACK spam > KILLER'S BLADE
- Always have two dots up BEFORE going into your spam trance and always press light attack in between all non executes to generate ultimate and add dps
- You must have a decent aoe ability on your bar, attacking only one enemy out of the 5-10 attacking your group isn't very clever mky?? Ochre!
- Block when you have to block, dodge when you have to dodge. Dying in a red circle or getting one short by a basic mob's heavy attack is just embarrassing. Don't do it to yourself girlfriend, and better yet don't do it to your healer. Rude.
- If you can self heal in a pug, just do it, less room for error (keeping Vigor for a stam build and a resto for a magicka build is always a safer option).
IMPORTANT STATS:
- Once again, at least 18k health in vet dungeons, healers can't heal one shots. (Why not Zenimax? WHYYYY??!)
- Now for stamina and magicka it's pretty clear to most, if you want to cast spells and unleash your inner pyro: stack only into magicka, if you want to use boring weapon abilties use only stamina
- CRIT! Crit is what? It's love, it's life. In pve anyway. If you're not critting in end game PVE you're not doing enough damage. Ensure you are aiming for that nice happy medium of 70-75% either weapon or spell crit. If you get there without using the thief mundus stone then whack on the shadow mundus, otherwise yes, use the thief.
LEVEL THESE:
- Either light (spells) armour or medium (stamina based) (what's that "u" doing in armour again? I'm an Aussie ochre!)
- Stamina : Bow, Two Handed, Dual Wield
- Magicka: Restoration Staff, Destruction Staff, Dual Wield
3. Bring Soul Gems
Don't be rude, if someone is down pick them up. You need them after all! Once you start getting good at dungeons you'll be buried in soul gems.
4. Don't be shy
If you are enjoying your run with a random group, send them a message or get on the mic. You may finally find that raid group you've been looking for. (Where for art thou?!!!).
5. Have some patience
I think many ESO veterans have walked into a dungeon and watched a random team take 5 mins and one death to take out the first group of enemies (tank lyf) and thought... "wow, this is going to be a rough three and a half thousand years". But they'll never get better if someone doesn't try and help them. Send them a message, ask them to change around their bar. Some people will respond nicely. Others will tell you how your mother feels about you (runs away crying) and that's okay.. because projection is a thing.
Keep in mind even the decent players on ESO have their bad days where they are trying to dodge roll out of a circle of death and that indominable crevice in the ground blocked their escape. Give people a chance before leaving the group.
6. Eat your food and drink your potions
No build in a veteran dungeon is good without provisioning... make sure you have food on you and try to remember to eat a fresh batch when entering a Pick-up Group. It always runs out at the most inopportune of situations.. and yes I will forget my own advice. Also remember that even the potions you pick up from dungeon bosses have their value.. I personally just use the basic magicka potions on my healer, skoria dk, magblade, sap tank and sorc tank. No need to let them go stale in your inventory.
7. Use google
If you and your group are struggling to finish a boss because you don't understand the mechanics and your team doesn't have mics, don't immediately assume it's your or their fault.. Search on google, find the mechanics, message your team mates. It won't kill you, billions of people use it daily.
- I really hope that people get something out of this guide. I'll be honest, it started off a rant. But I believe in this game (no matter how terribly broken it is) and I believe in the community still standing. If we can help each other out from time to time, then all the better. Whilst text chat is still unavailable on console, we rely on the group finder, I believe that with this guide our experiences with the group finder will be more enjoyable. I've posted this in general just to catch a bit more traffic before it gets moved. Hope you enjoyed and learnt something. If you didn't ... well, how dare you?
1. Choose one role
- From game menu select: SOCIAL > GROUP then under group roles turn your role icon grey (all others will be black) double bracket... Not everyone knows this.
- No matter how amazing you are at multi tasking, in vet dungeon queues you pick one (comments disagreeing begin in 3,2,1)
- Don't select all of them to get you in front of the queue, you'll end up wasting your time and everyone else's, plus its a good way to get kicked from the group and thrown back in the queue. Plus lying and getting people to carry you isn't fresh. Be fresh.
2. Know your role
I'll be underlining your role within vet dungeons along with preferred stat pools and what you should have levelled up before entering veteran dungeons. If you do not follow said dot points there is a 48 percent rng chance that Liam Kneeson (that K though) will find you. Preferred stats on players under vet 15 should head to a scaled area like Wrothgar or Hew's Bane or Cyrodiil (minus 5,000 health buff in pvp areas) as the finder puts you in scaled instances.
TANK
YOUR ROLE:
- Taunt high priority targets (bosses, enemies that stun, enemies that heal, mini bosses), face these enemies away from your allies so your team mates don't get to see how hot they are, they're yours. ALL YOURS!
- Inner Fire from the undaunted skill tree and Puncture from the Sword & Shield tree activate taunt
- if you do not have the aforementioned skills on your bar, you are not a tank, go back to step one and change roles
- "Bash" to interrupt enemy healers, and some boss abilities (if the boss looks like it's charging to do something nasty: try and put a sheild in its beech face)
- protect thy healer, keep an eye on his or her health, if their health fluctuates too much, find the little kuta ravaging your healer's health and (ask it nicely to stop) taunt it.
- Either sprinkle heals over time or damage over time, or both.
- Get Aggressive Warhorn (from pvp) and cast it during boss fights. (Gives a 30% crit damage bonus to all team mates).
IMPORTANT STATS
Health
Preferred: 30,000
Minimum: 27,500
Maximum: 32,500 (bit of a waste)
Physical and Spell Resistance
Preferred: 32,500
Realistic: 28-30k (buffed)
Passable: 25k (buffed)
All other stats are up to you and your build. (This is not a build thread). Keep in mind that any points into stam recovery are a little pointless as you don't regen stamina when blocking (thank you pvp, you're the BEST), in which you should be doing most of the time.
LEVEL THESE:
- Sword and board
- Heavy Armour
- Imperial dance emote
HEALER
YOUR ROLE:
- Buff > Damage > Heal > Damage
- In between heals, always be doing damage with instant cast aoes and dots (you can use Radiant Destruction of course but only during low risk stages of the battle or after casting stacked Healing Springs on allies in possible danger)
- Give resources to your team mates (Templars are the boss of this as they have the only abilities in the game that restore large amounts of stamina - for magicka return there's Undaunted's Necrotic Orb and its morph or siphon spirit or Elemental Drain.. seriously though, if you are a healing Templar without Blazing Spear or Luminous Shards you are doing your team a massive disservice.. It should be spammed in fight openings and given to tanks since they have no stamina regen).
- Buff allies, if you've joined a group with low dps, give them some steriods... I mean.. give 'em a damage buff by casting Combat Prayer from the restoration skill line (if they are doing fine, leave it off - if you're familiar with your group and you feel you have the time, leave it on).
- Don't just spam one strong heal, have one or two heal over time's too
IMPORTANT STATS
- Magicka recovery is the only one other than magicka and spell power that is relative to your healer as they determine how powerful your heals will be and how often you get to cast them, an A grade healer will snore through around 1,000 recovery.. I stay around 1,500 to be safe. Do the numbers, start with recovery enchants on your jewellry and slowly replace them with spell power as you get better
- Have at least 18k health so you don't get one shot (remember this is 18k health in a scaled area or if you are vet 15-16).
- Spell crit, crits in pve are love, crits in pve are life. Make sure your spell crit is above 55%, 70-75% at vet 16 is amazing.
LEVEL THESE:
- Light armour
- Restoration Staff
- Destruction Staff
- Dual Wield (advanced templars)
- Magikarp (huh?)
DPS or DAMAGE DEALERS
YOUR ROLE:
- Do damage (durr, gosh)
- No that doesn't mean spamming Snipe or Wrecking Blow or hard casting Crystal Fragments by themselves!!
- Have damage over time effects running at the same time as you spam your favourite damage ability
- Example for a stamina dps rotation: (start on bow bar) BUFF > CALTROPS > ARROW BARRAGE > (bar swap) > SURPRISE ATTACK spam > KILLER'S BLADE
- Always have two dots up BEFORE going into your spam trance and always press light attack in between all non executes to generate ultimate and add dps
- You must have a decent aoe ability on your bar, attacking only one enemy out of the 5-10 attacking your group isn't very clever mky?? Ochre!
- Block when you have to block, dodge when you have to dodge. Dying in a red circle or getting one short by a basic mob's heavy attack is just embarrassing. Don't do it to yourself girlfriend, and better yet don't do it to your healer. Rude.
- If you can self heal in a pug, just do it, less room for error (keeping Vigor for a stam build and a resto for a magicka build is always a safer option).
IMPORTANT STATS:
- Once again, at least 18k health in vet dungeons, healers can't heal one shots. (Why not Zenimax? WHYYYY??!)
- Now for stamina and magicka it's pretty clear to most, if you want to cast spells and unleash your inner pyro: stack only into magicka, if you want to use boring weapon abilties use only stamina
- CRIT! Crit is what? It's love, it's life. In pve anyway. If you're not critting in end game PVE you're not doing enough damage. Ensure you are aiming for that nice happy medium of 70-75% either weapon or spell crit. If you get there without using the thief mundus stone then whack on the shadow mundus, otherwise yes, use the thief.
LEVEL THESE:
- Either light (spells) armour or medium (stamina based) (what's that "u" doing in armour again? I'm an Aussie ochre!)
- Stamina : Bow, Two Handed, Dual Wield
- Magicka: Restoration Staff, Destruction Staff, Dual Wield
3. Bring Soul Gems
Don't be rude, if someone is down pick them up. You need them after all! Once you start getting good at dungeons you'll be buried in soul gems.
4. Don't be shy
If you are enjoying your run with a random group, send them a message or get on the mic. You may finally find that raid group you've been looking for. (Where for art thou?!!!).
5. Have some patience
I think many ESO veterans have walked into a dungeon and watched a random team take 5 mins and one death to take out the first group of enemies (tank lyf) and thought... "wow, this is going to be a rough three and a half thousand years". But they'll never get better if someone doesn't try and help them. Send them a message, ask them to change around their bar. Some people will respond nicely. Others will tell you how your mother feels about you (runs away crying) and that's okay.. because projection is a thing.
Keep in mind even the decent players on ESO have their bad days where they are trying to dodge roll out of a circle of death and that indominable crevice in the ground blocked their escape. Give people a chance before leaving the group.
6. Eat your food and drink your potions
No build in a veteran dungeon is good without provisioning... make sure you have food on you and try to remember to eat a fresh batch when entering a Pick-up Group. It always runs out at the most inopportune of situations.. and yes I will forget my own advice. Also remember that even the potions you pick up from dungeon bosses have their value.. I personally just use the basic magicka potions on my healer, skoria dk, magblade, sap tank and sorc tank. No need to let them go stale in your inventory.
7. Use google
If you and your group are struggling to finish a boss because you don't understand the mechanics and your team doesn't have mics, don't immediately assume it's your or their fault.. Search on google, find the mechanics, message your team mates. It won't kill you, billions of people use it daily.
- I really hope that people get something out of this guide. I'll be honest, it started off a rant. But I believe in this game (no matter how terribly broken it is) and I believe in the community still standing. If we can help each other out from time to time, then all the better. Whilst text chat is still unavailable on console, we rely on the group finder, I believe that with this guide our experiences with the group finder will be more enjoyable. I've posted this in general just to catch a bit more traffic before it gets moved. Hope you enjoyed and learnt something. If you didn't ... well, how dare you?
Guild Leader : Defenders Of Miley
XB1 EU
EP | VR16 Breton NB -mistermutiny
AD | VR16 Dunmer DK - Grigori
AD | VR16 Altmer Sorcerer - Isvoleet
AD | VR16 Imperial DK - Leonidas
AD | VR16 Bosmer NB - Hood
AD | VR16 Breton Templar - Dante
AD | VR16 Redguard Sorcerer - Raiden
AD | VR7 Khajiit Templar - Ike'ilyew
DC | 160 Breton NB - Vergil
"Hmmm... Very convincing.. Does the illusion apply to.. Everywhere? Perhaps this one should have a moment alone in private to double check" - Razum'Dar
XB1 EU
EP | VR16 Breton NB -mistermutiny
AD | VR16 Dunmer DK - Grigori
AD | VR16 Altmer Sorcerer - Isvoleet
AD | VR16 Imperial DK - Leonidas
AD | VR16 Bosmer NB - Hood
AD | VR16 Breton Templar - Dante
AD | VR16 Redguard Sorcerer - Raiden
AD | VR7 Khajiit Templar - Ike'ilyew
DC | 160 Breton NB - Vergil
"Hmmm... Very convincing.. Does the illusion apply to.. Everywhere? Perhaps this one should have a moment alone in private to double check" - Razum'Dar
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emily3989✭✭✭✭✭A mag nightblade dps can switch to being a healer in a matter of 30 seconds. However, those that can prob are not pugging anyway.Edited by emily3989 on April 18, 2016 8:35PMThasi - V16 Magblade Vampire PC/NA13 -
mistermutiny89✭✭✭✭✭
Didn't even get to count down to one with this notification haha. Good job.A mag nightblade dps can switch to being a healer in a matter of 30 seconds. However, those that can prob are not pugging anyway.
Guild Leader : Defenders Of Miley
XB1 EU
EP | VR16 Breton NB -mistermutiny
AD | VR16 Dunmer DK - Grigori
AD | VR16 Altmer Sorcerer - Isvoleet
AD | VR16 Imperial DK - Leonidas
AD | VR16 Bosmer NB - Hood
AD | VR16 Breton Templar - Dante
AD | VR16 Redguard Sorcerer - Raiden
AD | VR7 Khajiit Templar - Ike'ilyew
DC | 160 Breton NB - Vergil
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Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭good outline and read, on a personal note:
nothing wrong with anyone having cpl pcs of HA and that line leveled as well.
as a DPS i find i can both off heal and help the tank with interrupts,but this should only be done once your secure in your role.
one major critical thing:communicate what is on your bar, you dont need more than one repentance,motlen,caltrops running in a pledge group!!!3 -
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✭✭✭70-75% crit? Shesh, I'm a 2H/Bow Stamina Nord Nightblade with around 40-50% crit chance, and my damage is more than fine.5 -
mistermutiny89✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »70-75% crit? Shesh, I'm a 2H/Bow Stamina Nord Nightblade with around 40-50% crit chance, and my damage is more than fine.
Why be just "fine" when you can be godly?
Guild Leader : Defenders Of Miley
XB1 EU
EP | VR16 Breton NB -mistermutiny
AD | VR16 Dunmer DK - Grigori
AD | VR16 Altmer Sorcerer - Isvoleet
AD | VR16 Imperial DK - Leonidas
AD | VR16 Bosmer NB - Hood
AD | VR16 Breton Templar - Dante
AD | VR16 Redguard Sorcerer - Raiden
AD | VR7 Khajiit Templar - Ike'ilyew
DC | 160 Breton NB - Vergil
"Hmmm... Very convincing.. Does the illusion apply to.. Everywhere? Perhaps this one should have a moment alone in private to double check" - Razum'Dar10 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »70-75% crit? Shesh, I'm a 2H/Bow Stamina Nord Nightblade with around 40-50% crit chance, and my damage is more than fine.
Why be just "fine" when you can be godly?
lol overkill is underrated right?3 -
mistermutiny89✭✭✭✭✭
netflixnchillStrider_Roshin wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »70-75% crit? Shesh, I'm a 2H/Bow Stamina Nord Nightblade with around 40-50% crit chance, and my damage is more than fine.
Why be just "fine" when you can be godly?
lol overkill is underrated right?
#netflixnoverkill
Edited by mistermutiny89 on April 18, 2016 8:52PMGuild Leader : Defenders Of Miley
XB1 EU
EP | VR16 Breton NB -mistermutiny
AD | VR16 Dunmer DK - Grigori
AD | VR16 Altmer Sorcerer - Isvoleet
AD | VR16 Imperial DK - Leonidas
AD | VR16 Bosmer NB - Hood
AD | VR16 Breton Templar - Dante
AD | VR16 Redguard Sorcerer - Raiden
AD | VR7 Khajiit Templar - Ike'ilyew
DC | 160 Breton NB - Vergil
"Hmmm... Very convincing.. Does the illusion apply to.. Everywhere? Perhaps this one should have a moment alone in private to double check" - Razum'Dar0 -
Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »70-75% crit? Shesh, I'm a 2H/Bow Stamina Nord Nightblade with around 40-50% crit chance, and my damage is more than fine.
Why be just "fine" when you can be godly?
lol overkill is underrated right?
#netflixnoverkill
im working on my imperial dance emote,its too difficult,we need a better grind spot!!(no pun intended)Edited by Mojmir on April 18, 2016 8:53PM2 -
mistermutiny89✭✭✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »70-75% crit? Shesh, I'm a 2H/Bow Stamina Nord Nightblade with around 40-50% crit chance, and my damage is more than fine.
Why be just "fine" when you can be godly?
lol overkill is underrated right?
#netflixnoverkill
im working on my imperial dance emote,its too difficult,we need a better grind spot!!(no pun intended)
We're amazing, stahp! haha
and yes to all your points! Too many pugs just jump into the fray without communicating first and the dungeon takes twice as long.
Edited by mistermutiny89 on April 18, 2016 8:55PMGuild Leader : Defenders Of Miley
XB1 EU
EP | VR16 Breton NB -mistermutiny
AD | VR16 Dunmer DK - Grigori
AD | VR16 Altmer Sorcerer - Isvoleet
AD | VR16 Imperial DK - Leonidas
AD | VR16 Bosmer NB - Hood
AD | VR16 Breton Templar - Dante
AD | VR16 Redguard Sorcerer - Raiden
AD | VR7 Khajiit Templar - Ike'ilyew
DC | 160 Breton NB - Vergil
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MissBizz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭3. Bring Soul Gems
Don't be rude, if someone is down pick them up. You need them after all! Once you start getting good at dungeons you'll be buried in soul gems.
-Bring extra soul gems for the poor level 10 who didn't know. Give them some. Stop being greedy.
Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord3 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Please consider this is your personal preference and now that its on the forums...but it differs from the ZOS articles and roles.
I would consider this more of an ideal situation based on a particular experience you want so therefore, I'd say you should never use the PUG an only use manual groups. Then queue when full-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Asherons_Call✭✭✭✭✭
✭Pug checklist:
1. Gangster pug. CHECK
2. Yoda pug. CHECK
3. Gandalf pug. CHECK
4. Late night web-surfing pug. CHECK
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mistermutiny89✭✭✭✭✭3. Bring Soul Gems
Don't be rude, if someone is down pick them up. You need them after all! Once you start getting good at dungeons you'll be buried in soul gems.
-Bring extra soul gems for the poor level 10 who didn't know. Give them some. Stop being greedy.
I didn't know level 10's could enter veteran dungeon groups! Good to know.
Guild Leader : Defenders Of Miley
XB1 EU
EP | VR16 Breton NB -mistermutiny
AD | VR16 Dunmer DK - Grigori
AD | VR16 Altmer Sorcerer - Isvoleet
AD | VR16 Imperial DK - Leonidas
AD | VR16 Bosmer NB - Hood
AD | VR16 Breton Templar - Dante
AD | VR16 Redguard Sorcerer - Raiden
AD | VR7 Khajiit Templar - Ike'ilyew
DC | 160 Breton NB - Vergil
"Hmmm... Very convincing.. Does the illusion apply to.. Everywhere? Perhaps this one should have a moment alone in private to double check" - Razum'Dar1 -
mistermutiny89✭✭✭✭✭Asherons_Call wrote: »Pug checklist:
1. Gangster pug. CHECK
2. Yoda pug. CHECK
3. Gandalf pug. CHECK
4. Late night web-surfing pug. CHECK
haha I was hoping for these!
Guild Leader : Defenders Of Miley
XB1 EU
EP | VR16 Breton NB -mistermutiny
AD | VR16 Dunmer DK - Grigori
AD | VR16 Altmer Sorcerer - Isvoleet
AD | VR16 Imperial DK - Leonidas
AD | VR16 Bosmer NB - Hood
AD | VR16 Breton Templar - Dante
AD | VR16 Redguard Sorcerer - Raiden
AD | VR7 Khajiit Templar - Ike'ilyew
DC | 160 Breton NB - Vergil
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Miszou✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nice article.
Just an inevitable comment on the tank stamina thing... I use a glyph of absorb stamina on my main weapon and some well-placed champion points to boost my stamina recovery with heavy attacks. I get that tanks are supposed to be blocking "most of the time", but that doesn't mean you have to completely dependent on other peoples skill sets. And there's usually plenty of time in between blocking to leech some stamina back, buff, debuff etc.
But yes... good article for the intended audience, and not critical know-it-alls like me. 2 -
Lightninvash✭✭✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »A LIST OF THINGS TO KNOW BEFORE ENTERING VETERAN DUNGEONS VIA THE ACTIVITY FINDER
1. Choose one role
- From game menu select: SOCIAL > GROUP then under group roles turn your role icon grey (all others will be black) double bracket... Not everyone knows this.
- No matter how amazing you are at multi tasking, in vet dungeon queues you pick one (comments disagreeing begin in 3,2,1)
- Don't select all of them to get you in front of the queue, you'll end up wasting your time and everyone else's, plus its a good way to get kicked from the group and thrown back in the queue. Plus lying and getting people to carry you isn't fresh. Be fresh.
2. Know your role
I'll be underlining your role within vet dungeons along with preferred stat pools and what you should have levelled up before entering veteran dungeons. If you do not follow said dot points there is a 48 percent rng chance that Liam Kneeson (that K though) will find you. Preferred stats on players under vet 15 should head to a scaled area like Wrothgar or Hew's Bane or Cyrodiil (minus 5,000 health buff in pvp areas) as the finder puts you in scaled instances.
TANK
YOUR ROLE:
- Taunt high priority targets (bosses, enemies that stun, enemies that heal, mini bosses), face these enemies away from your allies so your team mates don't get to see how hot they are, they're yours. ALL YOURS!
- Inner Fire from the undaunted skill tree and Puncture from the Sword & Shield tree activate taunt
- if you do not have the aforementioned skills on your bar, you are not a tank, go back to step one and change roles
- "Bash" to interrupt enemy healers, and some boss abilities (if the boss looks like it's charging to do something nasty: try and put a sheild in its beech face)
- protect thy healer, keep an eye on his or her health, if their health fluctuates too much, find the little kuta ravaging your healer's health and (ask it nicely to stop) taunt it.
- Either sprinkle heals over time or damage over time, or both.
- Get Aggressive Warhorn (from pvp) and cast it during boss fights. (Gives a 30% crit damage bonus to all team mates).
IMPORTANT STATS
Health
Preferred: 30,000
Minimum: 27,500
Maximum: 32,500 (bit of a waste)
Physical and Spell Resistance
Preferred: 32,500
Realistic: 28-30k (buffed)
Passable: 25k (buffed)
All other stats are up to you and your build. (This is not a build thread). Keep in mind that any points into stam recovery are a little pointless as you don't regen stamina when blocking (thank you pvp, you're the BEST), in which you should be doing most of the time.
LEVEL THESE:
- Sword and board
- Heavy Armour
- Imperial dance emote
HEALER
YOUR ROLE:
- Buff > Damage > Heal > Damage
- In between heals, always be doing damage with instant cast aoes and dots (you can use Radiant Destruction of course but only during low risk stages of the battle or after casting stacked Healing Springs on allies in possible danger)
- Give resources to your team mates (Templars are the boss of this as they have the only abilities in the game that restore large amounts of stamina - for magicka return there's Undaunted's Necrotic Orb and its morph or siphon spirit or Elemental Drain.. seriously though, if you are a healing Templar without Blazing Spear or Luminous Shards you are doing your team a massive disservice.. It should be spammed in fight openings and given to tanks since they have no stamina regen).
- Buff allies, if you've joined a group with low dps, give them some steriods... I mean.. give 'em a damage buff by casting Combat Prayer from the restoration skill line (if they are doing fine, leave it off - if you're familiar with your group and you feel you have the time, leave it on).
- Don't just spam one strong heal, have one or two heal over time's too
IMPORTANT STATS
- Magicka recovery is the only one other than magicka and spell power that is relative to your healer as they determine how powerful your heals will be and how often you get to cast them, an A grade healer will snore through around 1,000 recovery.. I stay around 1,500 to be safe. Do the numbers, start with recovery enchants on your jewellry and slowly replace them with spell power as you get better
- Have at least 18k health so you don't get one shot (remember this is 18k health in a scaled area or if you are vet 15-16).
- Spell crit, crits in pve are love, crits in pve are life. Make sure your spell crit is above 55%, 70-75% at vet 16 is amazing.
LEVEL THESE:
- Light armour
- Restoration Staff
- Destruction Staff
- Dual Wield (advanced templars)
- Magikarp (huh?)
DPS or DAMAGE DEALERS
YOUR ROLE:
- Do damage (durr, gosh)
- No that doesn't mean spamming Snipe or Wrecking Blow or hard casting Crystal Fragments by themselves!!
- Have damage over time effects running at the same time as you spam your favourite damage ability
- Example for a stamina dps rotation: (start on bow bar) BUFF > CALTROPS > ARROW BARRAGE > (bar swap) > SURPRISE ATTACK spam > KILLER'S BLADE
- Always have two dots up BEFORE going into your spam trance and always press light attack in between all non executes to generate ultimate and add dps
- You must have a decent aoe ability on your bar, attacking only one enemy out of the 5-10 attacking your group isn't very clever mky?? Ochre!
- Block when you have to block, dodge when you have to dodge. Dying in a red circle or getting one short by a basic mob's heavy attack is just embarrassing. Don't do it to yourself girlfriend, and better yet don't do it to your healer. Rude.
- If you can self heal in a pug, just do it, less room for error (keeping Vigor for a stam build and a resto for a magicka build is always a safer option).
IMPORTANT STATS:
- Once again, at least 18k health in vet dungeons, healers can't heal one shots. (Why not Zenimax? WHYYYY??!)
- Now for stamina and magicka it's pretty clear to most, if you want to cast spells and unleash your inner pyro: stack only into magicka, if you want to use boring weapon abilties use only stamina
- CRIT! Crit is what? It's love, it's life. In pve anyway. If you're not critting in end game PVE you're not doing enough damage. Ensure you are aiming for that nice happy medium of 70-75% either weapon or spell crit. If you get there without using the thief mundus stone then whack on the shadow mundus, otherwise yes, use the thief.
LEVEL THESE:
- Either light (spells) armour or medium (stamina based) (what's that "u" doing in armour again? I'm an Aussie ochre!)
- Stamina : Bow, Two Handed, Dual Wield
- Magicka: Restoration Staff, Destruction Staff, Dual Wield
3. Bring Soul Gems
Don't be rude, if someone is down pick them up. You need them after all! Once you start getting good at dungeons you'll be buried in soul gems.
4. Don't be shy
If you are enjoying your run with a random group, send them a message or get on the mic. You may finally find that raid group you've been looking for. (Where for art thou?!!!).
5. Have some patience
I think many ESO veterans have walked into a dungeon and watched a random team take 5 mins and one death to take out the first group of enemies (tank lyf) and thought... "wow, this is going to be a rough three and a half thousand years". But they'll never get better if someone doesn't try and help them. Send them a message, ask them to change around their bar. Some people will respond nicely. Others will tell you how your mother feels about you (runs away crying) and that's okay.. because projection is a thing.
Keep in mind even the decent players on ESO have their bad days where they are trying to dodge roll out of a circle of death and that indominable crevice in the ground blocked their escape. Give people a chance before leaving the group.
6. Eat your food and drink your potions
No build in a veteran dungeon is good without provisioning... make sure you have food on you and try to remember to eat a fresh batch when entering a Pick-up Group. It always runs out at the most inopportune of situations.. and yes I will forget my own advice. Also remember that even the potions you pick up from dungeon bosses have their value.. I personally just use the basic magicka potions on my healer, skoria dk, magblade, sap tank and sorc tank. No need to let them go stale in your inventory.
7. Use google
If you and your group are struggling to finish a boss because you don't understand the mechanics and your team doesn't have mics, don't immediately assume it's your or their fault.. Search on google, find the mechanics, message your team mates. It won't kill you, billions of people use it daily.
- I really hope that people get something out of this guide. I'll be honest, it started off a rant. But I believe in this game (no matter how terribly broken it is) and I believe in the community still standing. If we can help each other out from time to time, then all the better. Whilst text chat is still unavailable on console, we rely on the group finder, I believe that with this guide our experiences with the group finder will be more enjoyable. I've posted this in general just to catch a bit more traffic before it gets moved. Hope you enjoyed and learnt something. If you didn't ... well, how dare you?
This was an awesome read kind of wish everyone could read this and get it in their heads on what the roles mean haha. this is awesome.
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CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »70-75% crit? Shesh, I'm a 2H/Bow Stamina Nord Nightblade with around 40-50% crit chance, and my damage is more than fine.
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mistermutiny89✭✭✭✭✭Nice article.
Just an inevitable comment on the tank stamina thing... I use a glyph of absorb stamina on my main weapon and some well-placed champion points to boost my stamina recovery with heavy attacks. I get that tanks are supposed to be blocking "most of the time", but that doesn't mean you have to completely dependent on other peoples skill sets. And there's usually plenty of time in between blocking to leech some stamina back, buff, debuff etc.
But yes... good article for the intended audience, and not critical know-it-alls like me.
Thank you! and of course, I'm too much of a wimp to risk heavy attacks whilst tanking, but thanks to swallow soul being so cheap and siphoning attacks I just spam that out of block to self heal and get back stam. But I'm defs more a dps guy. Tanking is not my forte but I'd like to think I know the role. haha Sort of.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Please consider this is your personal preference and now that its on the forums...but it differs from the ZOS articles and roles.
I would consider this more of an ideal situation based on a particular experience you want so therefore, I'd say you should never use the PUG an only use manual groups. Then queue when full
Another monstrously opposed reply from Smurf, good to know you haven't changed, and that you aren't on EU haha.
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✭✭✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »MY PERSONAL LIST OF THINGS I EXPECT YOU TO KNOW BEFORE ENTERING VETERAN DUNGEONS VIA THE ACTIVITY FINDER. OTHERS MIGHT JUST BE FINE WITH YOUR CHOICES OF GEAR AND SKILLS, BUT I ONLY PLAY WITH YOU IF YOU CONFORM TO MY STANDARDS.
Fixed it for ya ...
Edited by SirAndy on April 18, 2016 9:08PM8 -
Bossdonut✭✭✭✭✭The kind of people running into walls and doing 5 dps probably don't even read the forums5
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mistermutiny89✭✭✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »MY PERSONAL LIST OF THINGS I EXPECT YOU TO KNOW BEFORE ENTERING VETERAN DUNGEONS VIA THE ACTIVITY FINDER. OTHERS MIGHT JUST BE FINE WITH YOUR CHOICES OF GEAR AND SKILLS, BUT I ONLY PLAY WITH YOU IF YOU CONFORM TO MY STANDARDS.
Fixed it for ya ...
Which parts about player roles did you not agree with?? I welcome feedback!
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✭✭✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »3. Bring Soul Gems
Don't be rude, if someone is down pick them up. You need them after all! Once you start getting good at dungeons you'll be buried in soul gems.
-Bring extra soul gems for the poor level 10 who didn't know. Give them some. Stop being greedy.
I didn't know level 10's could enter veteran dungeon groups! Good to know.
@mistermutiny89 Ah sorry! Not veteran. Just general queuing for pug dungeons advice. (Although having extra for a brand new VR1 who still had a pile of Great Soulgems would still be good)Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord1 -
Reorx_Holybeard✭✭✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »A LIST OF THINGS TO KNOW BEFORE ENTERING VETERAN DUNGEONS VIA THE ACTIVITY FINDER
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Great stuff! A few comments from my perspective:- Perhaps add a disclaimer that this is very general advice intended for those new to vet Dungeons and that once you get familiar with the dungeon and mechanics there is a lot of room to break your guidelines.
- I would add to the advice of only choosing one group role in the finder that you can choose multiple role but only if you are really sure you can actually fill that role. There are plenty of character/builds that can do 2 or 3 roles just fine in most vet Dungeons by changing gear.
- The value of 70-75% crit is really high for a good number of builds. I usually max out at 65% crit using Thief, Inner Light, and Julianos (perhaps it is a magicka thing). The only way to get higher for me is using Precise weapons which is a DPS loss most of time compared to Nirnhoned or Sharpened. Since this is aimed at inexperienced players I would say try to achieve a crit value of at least 50% if not higher. A lot of time you'd want to choose the Shadow mundus anyways if your crit is higher than 50% anyways.
- 18k Health is a good target for DPS newbies but you can get away will much less if you are careful and know the mechanics. I've played with sorcs having 10-12k health who do just fine. As a healer I like to get in the 18-20k range if I can...as you mention there are a lot of AoE/one-hit mechanics that hit in the 15k range if you're not careful.
- Saying 27.5k minimum for tank health is a bit deceiving...you can go lower and be just fine depending on your build. I've seen sorc tanks in the 15-18k health range do just fine.
- One of my pet peeves is people not saying/asking about fight mechanics if they are new to the dungeon or just have forgotten. There are a lot of boss fights in vet dungeons that will be near impossible to complete if someone doesn't know the "secret" or certain steps. Just ask for a reminder about the fight...it usually only takes a minute and in a PUG I don't at all mind helping new/inexperienced players.
- Perhaps highlight that vet dungeons are a good step up from normal dungeons and a huge step up from public dungeons and delves. You may survive just fine in red circles in a public dungeon/delve or from a special attack from a mob but in vet dungeons these are all very deadly. I've been hit with 30-40k damage from special mob attacks/red areas. Just move out of the way, roll dodge, or at least block to minimize damage.
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✭✭✭I guess you could say they are... PUGilists!
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Sleep✭✭✭✭If you think that will work, you can choose more than one role. I have tank, heal and damage skills. I always choose all 3 roles and always end up doing one only (mostly tank) depending on what the group want me to do. I just need to put the skills I need to fulfill my role to my skill bars. And I have met some people who chose all 3 roles but the only thing they could do was to deal damage.2 -
mistermutiny89✭✭✭✭✭@Reorx_Holybeard
Great points mate. I actually cut quite a lot of things out including disclaimers because no matter what there will always be critiques and having to justify free advice is a time waster (but I'm doing it anyway haha).
As you said 18k health is a great starter for dps. I have two dps and a sap tank and a Templar healer that run pug's on a good day. I've never entered one without the above prequisites and I've had the messages to say thanks for a great run just as I've passed out the same.
Mistakes happen in every pug run.. These stats safety net that and maximize group effiency for the unknown. Well at least in my eyes. If a 12k health sorc came into my group and kept getting one shot whilst I was using my healer I wouldn't be rushing to get him up if someone else was down.
I also never touched a vet dungeon till I had four vet 16's... I wanted to make sure I studied and had the gear first because I didn't want people to have to carry me (plus a vet 7 kena shoulder isn't a vet 16 kena shoulder haha). But if I was just starting I'd appreciate this list and the goals outlined.Edited by mistermutiny89 on April 18, 2016 10:20PMGuild Leader : Defenders Of Miley
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✭✭Good to see some info on what we should be aiming for with roles - most articles get bogged down on what armour and jewelry you should be wearing (which are usually not craftable anyway) and never include the basic statistical targets.
It is good to know my tanks and DD's are up to mark and if everyone else in the group is up to the same standard we should be able to manage most vet dungeons - and yes I know these are only the OP's views. Having said that, I admit to not having done much PVP so know nothing about aggressive warhorn or caltrops. Wouldn't even know what to do to start getting these.
The only thing I could add is COMMUNICATE!! I am on PS4 and am ready to walk out on any vet dungeon group if anyone is not on group chat. Ran vet banished cells last night and three of us stood aside waiting for a third deadroth to appear before killing the final boss and one stupid DPS - not on group chat - kept hacking at him until he died so we missed the gold. Fortunately I picked up another group 10 minutes later and breezed it.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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✭✭✭✭Most of these are fine, but my night blade can tank or DPS...so going to be dual lighting it. You kick me, you lose a smooth run *Shrugs*0