good new Fengrush video for you

MoeCoastie

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Again, I think you miss the overarching point of the "I can do better than zos" thing. The point is that a player who has played for many years is more in touch with what balance should be then the developers. It is meant to point out how inept the deva are at the proceas. Most players can do a better balancing job. It's not meant to refer to "how great we think we are" but the opposite. That zos is so inept at balancing the game that their players can do it better.

Pvp is a casual playground, but it is also for compete time play. You point out all of the various ways tonplay. That is right. It also includes compete time play. Whether that be in the form of the community forming duels are Gvg fights. Whether that is sypera fight nights. Sometimes it comes in the form of groups playing the map trying to outwit the other alliance and winning the campaign. Perhaps it is just a random encounter between to high level guilds who fight to win the battle. As I stated, compete time Pvp and casual are not mutually exclusive in this game.

Again, that was just a piece of a clip from one video. You can find plenty that show off a lot more. He even mentioned that he wasn't going to go through it and kind of half showed it off and followed it up with go search it yourself cause videos are their showing his point. I agree. It was not like the issues in cyrodIL were gradual. It was all atbonce. The issues can be traced to a particular patch. If it was in fact people reaching max level, then it would have gotten progressively worse not a complete 180. I also can't "trust" you about your idea of the good Ole days because I was there. I remember. It was that good.

I really have to disagree with you on the good player = good designer. There are countless examples in life where an elite player cannot step into the the drawing room and take on a manager type role. Countless more examples of supbar/average players going on to be exceptional managers and great minds in their fields. But one thing is certain, good player or bad player...they all went through a process to get to a point where they were put into a position to shine. Playing a game without any other background in the industry does not qualify you to cross over into the other side of the house. Im not sure where your logic comes from concerning that point.

I seriously dont understand the romanticizing about how lag free the game was back in the day. I remember lag back then, I remember a number of posts about it, I remember youtube reviews about lag. I remember moving from a lag free dying Thorn campaign to a jam packed Wabba campaign and noticing a huge increase in lag. Yes, this was before the lighting patch.So im sorry, these memories you bring up do not jive with what I remember. I remember fidgiting with usersettings.txt prior to the lighting patch to help improve my own performance. Im not gonna lie, there have been times before and after lighting patch where lag has been worse than other times...most notably on patch days and those 3-4 terrible weeks shortly after lighting patch. Maybe in early Beta with a controlled environment (I really dont know how early beta's work) the 100/100/100 concept worked but we are all aware live is a whole new ballgame. This whole concept that performance is awesome prior to lighting patch and never regained its form after is not what I remember. In fact, I would have to look at my post history but shortly after the fix the the terrrible 3 weeks of lag, I may have posted a comment of how well the fix worked and how it seemed better than prior to patch. So like you, I was there also...I just remember it differently

SlayerTheDragon

@FENGRUSH Buddy, be proactive.

Create a nice list of fixes you propose in detail. Drop it on the forums and let us have a look.

I am especially interested in seeing your fixes to balance and the X build issue.

Please consider it.

JadeNaria

DonoVDV wrote: »

@FENGRUSH Buddy, be proactive.

Create a nice list of fixes you propose in detail. Drop it on the forums and let us have a look.

I am especially interested in seeing your fixes to balance and the X build issue.

Please consider it.

I agree, and make a new thread for it so there are better chances of someone @ ZoS high up the latter considering the read. I doubt they will plow through all the pages here looking for it. Spoon feed the information to them. Nice and neat with short paragraphs and bulletin points. The easier it is for them to soak up, the better.

Etaniel

MoeCoastie wrote: »

Trust me when I say...the "good ole days" arent as good as you guys remember.

@MoeCoastie
Except when you have video footage to show it.

(footage from 1.5) look at 2min17 or 9min45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XastWEM6pq0



(footage from somewhere before 1.4) Look at 4min02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnt6jtJm94Y

or this one from pryda that's from april 2014, look at 1min, 9min 30, and look at his fps on the top bar
(Actually look at the whole video, it's full of clips with massive numbers of enemies and good performance)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hta9USZuA8


All clips with aoe spamming and effects out the wazzoo.

The goold old days are not just a rose tinted nostalgia glasses effect, this type of gameplay is 100% no longer possible without major fps drops or a large ping rise, and I'm not talking about balance issues here, just pure game performance.

And if you watch these videos from the oldest to newest, you'll notice how performance decreases, with fewer and fewer people on screen. Illuminati confirmed? Or is Fengrush actually 100% right when he says the game has been getting worse and worse? I'll let you pick

JadeNaria

Etaniel wrote: »

MoeCoastie wrote: »

Trust me when I say...the "good ole days" arent as good as you guys remember.

Except when you have video footage to show it.

(footage from 1.5) look at 2min17 or 9min45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XastWEM6pq0



(footage from somewhere before 1.4) Look at 4min02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnt6jtJm94Y

or this one from pryda that's from april 2014, look at 1min, 9min 30, and look at his fps on the top bar
(Actually look at the whole video, it's full of clips with massive numbers of enemies and good performance)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hta9USZuA8


All clips with aoe spamming and effects out the wazzoo.

The goold old days are not just a rose tinted nostalgia glasses effect, this type of gameplay is 100% no longer possible without major fps drops or a large ping rise, and I'm not talking about balance issues here, just pure game performance.

And if you watch these videos from the oldest to newest, you'll notice how performance decreases, with fewer and fewer people on screen. Illuminati confirmed? Or is Fengrush actually 100% right when he says the game has been getting worse and worse? I'll let you pick

Wow, just wow. We took it for granted back then.

Etaniel

JadeNaria wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

MoeCoastie wrote: »

Trust me when I say...the "good ole days" arent as good as you guys remember.

Except when you have video footage to show it.

(footage from 1.5) look at 2min17 or 9min45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XastWEM6pq0



(footage from somewhere before 1.4) Look at 4min02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnt6jtJm94Y

or this one from pryda that's from april 2014, look at 1min, 9min 30, and look at his fps on the top bar
(Actually look at the whole video, it's full of clips with massive numbers of enemies and good performance)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hta9USZuA8


All clips with aoe spamming and effects out the wazzoo.

The goold old days are not just a rose tinted nostalgia glasses effect, this type of gameplay is 100% no longer possible without major fps drops or a large ping rise, and I'm not talking about balance issues here, just pure game performance.

And if you watch these videos from the oldest to newest, you'll notice how performance decreases, with fewer and fewer people on screen. Illuminati confirmed? Or is Fengrush actually 100% right when he says the game has been getting worse and worse? I'll let you pick

Wow, just wow. We took it for granted back then.

Yeah, and we are probably taking TG for granted as well because there's a good chance we are still on the downward slope

MoeCoastie

just searched "eso pvp fps" on youtube. In fact, your "zerg bust" video looks pretty smooth and playable. When was that taken?

Darnathian

Etaniel wrote: »

MoeCoastie wrote: »

Trust me when I say...the "good ole days" arent as good as you guys remember.

@MoeCoastie
Except when you have video footage to show it.

(footage from 1.5) look at 2min17 or 9min45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XastWEM6pq0



(footage from somewhere before 1.4) Look at 4min02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnt6jtJm94Y

or this one from pryda that's from april 2014, look at 1min, 9min 30, and look at his fps on the top bar
(Actually look at the whole video, it's full of clips with massive numbers of enemies and good performance)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hta9USZuA8


All clips with aoe spamming and effects out the wazzoo.

The goold old days are not just a rose tinted nostalgia glasses effect, this type of gameplay is 100% no longer possible without major fps drops or a large ping rise, and I'm not talking about balance issues here, just pure game performance.

And if you watch these videos from the oldest to newest, you'll notice how performance decreases, with fewer and fewer people on screen. Illuminati confirmed? Or is Fengrush actually 100% right when he says the game has been getting worse and worse? I'll let you pick

Omg you just brought a tear to my eye. lol


That was the game i use to skip going out for. so beautiful. Miss my DK so bad. RIP

I should have watched those months ago. glad now i quit playing this week and started wakeboarding again.

how can anyone step foot in pvp now after watching those.

seriously if possible Zos remove bot coding from pvp and all possible farming spots. what do you have to lose now. see if it works.

Lettigall

I feel really sorry for those who didn't had chance play pre- lightning patch PvP. It was so beautiful. Massive battles with no lag and when you press button ability actually activates. Good times.

Tommy1979AtWar

JadeNaria wrote: »

DonoVDV wrote: »

@FENGRUSH Buddy, be proactive.

Create a nice list of fixes you propose in detail. Drop it on the forums and let us have a look.

I am especially interested in seeing your fixes to balance and the X build issue.

Please consider it.

I agree, and make a new thread for it so there are better chances of someone @ ZoS high up the latter considering the read. I doubt they will plow through all the pages here looking for it. Spoon feed the information to them. Nice and neat with short paragraphs and bulletin points. The easier it is for them to soak up, the better.

What they said ^^^

Etaniel

Lettigall wrote: »

I feel really sorry for those who didn't had chance play pre- lightning patch PvP. It was so beautiful. Massive battles with no lag and when you press button ability actually activates. Good times.

Especially in Pryda's video, you can see the sheer amount of people running around, and the whole map was like that.... Epic times

Etaniel

MoeCoastie wrote: »

just searched "eso pvp fps" on youtube. In fact, your "zerg bust" video looks pretty smooth and playable. When was that taken?

that clip was from 1.6, about 2 or 3 weeks before IC patch I believe

bowmanz607

MoeCoastie wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Again, I think you miss the overarching point of the "I can do better than zos" thing. The point is that a player who has played for many years is more in touch with what balance should be then the developers. It is meant to point out how inept the deva are at the proceas. Most players can do a better balancing job. It's not meant to refer to "how great we think we are" but the opposite. That zos is so inept at balancing the game that their players can do it better.

Pvp is a casual playground, but it is also for compete time play. You point out all of the various ways tonplay. That is right. It also includes compete time play. Whether that be in the form of the community forming duels are Gvg fights. Whether that is sypera fight nights. Sometimes it comes in the form of groups playing the map trying to outwit the other alliance and winning the campaign. Perhaps it is just a random encounter between to high level guilds who fight to win the battle. As I stated, compete time Pvp and casual are not mutually exclusive in this game.

Again, that was just a piece of a clip from one video. You can find plenty that show off a lot more. He even mentioned that he wasn't going to go through it and kind of half showed it off and followed it up with go search it yourself cause videos are their showing his point. I agree. It was not like the issues in cyrodIL were gradual. It was all atbonce. The issues can be traced to a particular patch. If it was in fact people reaching max level, then it would have gotten progressively worse not a complete 180. I also can't "trust" you about your idea of the good Ole days because I was there. I remember. It was that good.

I really have to disagree with you on the good player = good designer. There are countless examples in life where an elite player cannot step into the the drawing room and take on a manager type role. Countless more examples of supbar/average players going on to be exceptional managers and great minds in their fields. But one thing is certain, good player or bad player...they all went through a process to get to a point where they were put into a position to shine. Playing a game without any other background in the industry does not qualify you to cross over into the other side of the house. Im not sure where your logic comes from concerning that point.

I seriously dont understand the romanticizing about how lag free the game was back in the day. I remember lag back then, I remember a number of posts about it, I remember youtube reviews about lag. I remember moving from a lag free dying Thorn campaign to a jam packed Wabba campaign and noticing a huge increase in lag. Yes, this was before the lighting patch.So im sorry, these memories you bring up do not jive with what I remember. I remember fidgiting with usersettings.txt prior to the lighting patch to help improve my own performance. Im not gonna lie, there have been times before and after lighting patch where lag has been worse than other times...most notably on patch days and those 3-4 terrible weeks shortly after lighting patch. Maybe in early Beta with a controlled environment (I really dont know how early beta's work) the 100/100/100 concept worked but we are all aware live is a whole new ballgame. This whole concept that performance is awesome prior to lighting patch and never regained its form after is not what I remember. In fact, I would have to look at my post history but shortly after the fix the the terrrible 3 weeks of lag, I may have posted a comment of how well the fix worked and how it seemed better than prior to patch. So like you, I was there also...I just remember it differently

Fair enough. I mean I can't disagree with what you remember from your experience. It is possible that we had different experiences for a number of reasons. On that I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Perhaps if I feel up to it at some point this weekend I can look back at old posts and videos from different time periods to further support my position or maybe support your or both. Who knows. It peaks my interest enough at this point look into it. I think we can both agree that memories change as more time passes and studies have shown that over time people start to remember things differently until at some point it may be a whole new memory without realizing it. So perhaps one of us or even both of us don't recall correctly. But as 8f now I suppose agree to disagree. That said, I am not saying there were not bugs and the like, simply that the state of pvp was vastly superior.

One point I would like to touch on is the good player = good deaigner. Again, perhaps Feng rush and other players in the game wouldn't be good designers. Perhaps they would. Let's assume for a minute that Feng rush would be a crap deaigner. The point is that zos is so out of touch with this game and balance that even a crap designer can do better. I admire that wrobel and his crew stick to their guns and their vision . I really do. In fact, I defended them time and time again for a very long time. The thing is that ther vision and approach just is not working. We years into this game now and we still can't even balance mag and stam let alone classes. Sure it's an mmo and balance is a pipe dream to an extent. The issue is that we have never seen even a decently balanced patch. The. Closest we got was 1.5. That said, BDO was in development for less time and from what I have heard it is a very well balanced game. Although balance may be viewed as a pipe dream, what we have received patch after patch is not acceptable.

On a side note, I have always firmly believed that this game would be in beta until tg and dB release. A test game is not complete without all of the main guilds. So although I have been very critical, it really comes from the scope of a beta tester. I have very high hopes for the dB patch. For two reasons. One, in my eyes the actual launch of the game takes place because dB and rg will be in the game, so beta will officially come to an end in my eyes. Two, this really is the last chance for wrobel to get balance right. this patch they will be focusing on all skills in the game and really the first time they have taken a serious look at skills since 1.6 (maybe an argument for ic patch). This is the first time since 1.6 dropped that all of the "moving parts" have come to a rest creating a prime environment for balance. If they don't achieve some semblance of balance in db, then I firmly believe they never will.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

To those who dislike this Fengrush streamer, you are entitled to your dislike of him. However, calling for him to leave or just wanting to silence him and his opinions is the worst thing you could. Silence always benefits large companies and corporations at the cost of consumers.

Hate Fengrush and his style if you want, but never call for the silencing of players (especially passionate ones - which he appears to be). That hurts us all.

No one hates anyone. Thats why I was saying all along its not about the streamer but about the ideas being discussed. No one is calling for the silencing of anyone. Just the idea we get is that this is the only way and if we dont listen we are morons. There is more than one way to skin a cat as they say. People should be open to ideas from everyone.

MaxwellC

@Etaniel
Is it weird that I got chills from watching your clips where it reminded me about the good ol days where my stam DK/mag DK terrorized the battlefield. I truly miss days where things would actually WORK in PvP instead of being frustrated with my input commands not adding up thanks to FPS drops/outrageous pings.

Ajax_22

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ajax_22 wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

To those who dislike this Fengrush streamer, you are entitled to your dislike of him. However, calling for him to leave or just wanting to silence him and his opinions is the worst thing you could. Silence always benefits large companies and corporations at the cost of consumers.

Hate Fengrush and his style if you want, but never call for the silencing of players (especially passionate ones - which he appears to be). That hurts us all.

No one hates anyone. Thats why I was saying all along its not about the streamer but about the ideas being discussed. No one is calling for the silencing of anyone.

So we just imagined all of those people who's posts were removed for exactly that reason?

Pretty sure those posts were aimed at me and not him. Also you say never call for the silencing of any players but anyone who disagrees with the opinions of some twitch streamer should be silenced? Wierd.

Nobody is trying to silence you. We just want the people with nothing to say on the tread topic to go somewhere, and stop trying to derail this thread or get it closed. Most of the post that were removed from this thread were no constructive attacks and insults against Fengrush or the people that agree with him.

Tommy1979AtWar

Just to echo thoughts on people in the community who actually could be assets when it comes to balancing etc I still don't understand why zos isn't reaching out to these players on some level, even if it's for the smallest contribution it seems shortsighted to not even look into it.

rotaugen454

You can hate his delivery, or the time it takes to make it, but look at the main point. Is PvP lag worse now than at launch? If you say no, you didn't do a lot of PvP during the whole period, and this is coming from a PvE (primarily) player who would occasionally have a jaunt in Cyrodiil since launch.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

rotaugen454 wrote: »

You can hate his delivery, or the time it takes to make it, but look at the main point. Is PvP lag worse now than at launch? If you say no, you didn't do a lot of PvP during the whole period, and this is coming from a PvE (primarily) player who would occasionally have a jaunt in Cyrodiil since launch.

Everyone agrees there is a problem. The argument is on how to fix it.

rotaugen454

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

You can hate his delivery, or the time it takes to make it, but look at the main point. Is PvP lag worse now than at launch? If you say no, you didn't do a lot of PvP during the whole period, and this is coming from a PvE (primarily) player who would occasionally have a jaunt in Cyrodiil since launch.

Everyone agrees there is a problem. The argument is on how to fix it.

I know, it's just sad how many turn it into a flame war. I would think if there were an easy fix (like some people seem to think there is), it would have been done. ZoS can't enjoy the constant complaints. I'd like for them to do an ESO Live where they talk about nothing but the various options they are exploring, and the plusses and minuses of each.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

rotaugen454 wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

You can hate his delivery, or the time it takes to make it, but look at the main point. Is PvP lag worse now than at launch? If you say no, you didn't do a lot of PvP during the whole period, and this is coming from a PvE (primarily) player who would occasionally have a jaunt in Cyrodiil since launch.

Everyone agrees there is a problem. The argument is on how to fix it.

I know, it's just sad how many turn it into a flame war. I would think if there were an easy fix (like some people seem to think there is), it would have been done. ZoS can't enjoy the constant complaints. I'd like for them to do an ESO Live where they talk about nothing but the various options they are exploring, and the plusses and minuses of each.

Well we can steer it back on topic. Id also like for them to at least do a segment on whats happening with the server load and when people can expect a resolution. Is it an ongoing thing where it will continue to get gradually better? honestly if they did that would probably be a lot less of this mob mentality here on the forums.

rotaugen454

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

You can hate his delivery, or the time it takes to make it, but look at the main point. Is PvP lag worse now than at launch? If you say no, you didn't do a lot of PvP during the whole period, and this is coming from a PvE (primarily) player who would occasionally have a jaunt in Cyrodiil since launch.

Everyone agrees there is a problem. The argument is on how to fix it.

I know, it's just sad how many turn it into a flame war. I would think if there were an easy fix (like some people seem to think there is), it would have been done. ZoS can't enjoy the constant complaints. I'd like for them to do an ESO Live where they talk about nothing but the various options they are exploring, and the plusses and minuses of each.

Well we can steer it back on topic. Id also like for them to at least do a segment on whats happening with the server load and when people can expect a resolution. Is it an ongoing thing where it will continue to get gradually better? honestly if they did that would probably be a lot less of this mob mentality here on the forums.

Exactly. A little direct communication would go a long way. A vague "working on lag" isn't promising. Just list some of the concrete steps being taken. I know they want to fix this. No matter what some people say, it isn't that they don't care or even actively hate PvP.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

rotaugen454 wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

You can hate his delivery, or the time it takes to make it, but look at the main point. Is PvP lag worse now than at launch? If you say no, you didn't do a lot of PvP during the whole period, and this is coming from a PvE (primarily) player who would occasionally have a jaunt in Cyrodiil since launch.

Everyone agrees there is a problem. The argument is on how to fix it.

I know, it's just sad how many turn it into a flame war. I would think if there were an easy fix (like some people seem to think there is), it would have been done. ZoS can't enjoy the constant complaints. I'd like for them to do an ESO Live where they talk about nothing but the various options they are exploring, and the plusses and minuses of each.

Well we can steer it back on topic. Id also like for them to at least do a segment on whats happening with the server load and when people can expect a resolution. Is it an ongoing thing where it will continue to get gradually better? honestly if they did that would probably be a lot less of this mob mentality here on the forums.

Exactly. A little direct communication would go a long way. A vague "working on lag" isn't promising. Just list some of the concrete steps being taken. I know they want to fix this. No matter what some people say, it isn't that they don't care or even actively hate PvP.

I dont think any of us here know what it will take to fix this lag. Its a very complex issue and I believe if there was just some simple fix they would have done it by now. Arenas and battlegrounds are on the way as well which will probably help considerably because those can be instanced. Maybe the whole open world massive battle things in hind sight was just not possible to do. I dont know.

Thelon

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I dont think any of us here know what it will take to fix this lag.

There is no silver bullet. There is no spoon

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Maybe the whole open world massive battle things in hind sight was just not possible to do. I dont know.

There are several clips posted in the very thread of Cyrodiil operating lag free during massive battles. This is the product they spent years designing, building and testing. This is the product that was sacrificed to address the bad press resulting from botting.

Zorgon_The_Revenged

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Just to echo thoughts on people in the community who actually could be assets when it comes to balancing etc I still don't understand why zos isn't reaching out to these players on some level, even if it's for the smallest contribution it seems shortsighted to not even look into it.

This is the reason I don't have the live chat tab open when I feel like watching ESO Live and turned off fengrushs stream once, after enjoying it for many months, when he started on yet another drunken ESO live review. I turned it off in much the same way I've turned off ESO after yet another disappointing night due to Cyrodiil lag.

I did watch his video and, thanks to a YouTube link at the end of it, enjoyed two entertaining hours of AngryJoe reviewing the top 10 worst/disappointing games of 2014 and 2015.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Arenas and battlegrounds are on the way as well which will probably help considerably because those can be instanced.

I'd love for this to be true but the amount of bugs, disconnects and lag many players experience in PvE 4/12 player instances make me wonder.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Thelon wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I dont think any of us here know what it will take to fix this lag.

There is no silver bullet. There is no spoon

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Maybe the whole open world massive battle things in hind sight was just not possible to do. I dont know.

There are several clips posted in the very thread of Cyrodiil operating lag free during massive battles. This is the product they spent years designing, building and testing. This is the product that was sacrificed to address the bad press resulting from botting.

Well botting was a serious issue it was all over the forums at the time. Was one of the biggest complaints in PVP and PVE if I remember. Could have lost everyone over that issue. I just dont think this will be something fixed in a couple weeks or a month. If anything they will do incremental improvements that gradually will increase performance. I think once battlegrounds get here people will be more focused on that. Just my opinion.

I know in SWTOR they finally gave up on Ilum which was like cyrodill except only the two factions of course. The battlegrounds for me were more fun anyways. They had a game called hutt ball that was really fun.

HairyFairy

I'll give @Zos my money again when their game comes out of its 2nd beta test stage.

JadeNaria

Out of the multitude of threads created in regards to pvp performance and pve as well I'd love to see one acknowledged by ZoS. Not moderated but acknowledged....even replied in. A simple "yes we hear you all and think that may or may not work or are trying this and it may be ready by this date" etc.....

Just something.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

JadeNaria wrote: »

Out of the multitude of threads created in regards to pvp performance and pve as well I'd love to see one acknowledged by ZoS. Not moderated but acknowledged....even replied in. A simple "yes we hear you all and think that may or may not work or are trying this and it may be ready by this date" etc.....

Just something.

I dont know about here but they did address it on the most recent ESO live.

LiquidSchwartz

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I think it was their goal to make a great PVP game honestly. But having a game filled with bots will hurt your new player base tremendously - so they made the changes needed to fix the bots.

Doing that sacrificed Cyro.. they couldnt have both really. And I do believe they were trying to fix Cyro for a long time. I think we all know its not being fixed. Now we get 'incremental fixes' that they hope 'will help'. There is no fix. The fix is an illusion, and that is a fine one to perpetuate because they are not banking on the PVP player base anymore. It used to have A LOT compared to what we have today. It doesnt, yet the game still thrives. So its clear what this year direction was. At least it is to me.

Youre right none of these fixes are anything useful and dont improve the lag. They arent anything like the old quick patches
I watched your whole video and the previous one. I agree with you on a lot of points and really struggle to enjoy the games pvp with the lag especially on console. When i was on pc i never got kicked more than once a night but on here i get kicked 5 times a siege 20 minutes at a time cuz it doesnt let me log in again cuz im in cyrodiil where the fight is happening.

But, with all of these pve dlc and content i always have this hope that they will make enough money to invest into pvp again like they originally had.
I doubt it will happen but i still have that glimmer of hope for it.

Maybe try a different approach to Zenimax and create a thread collectively with other streamers such as king sypher lefty and deltia to make suggestions and list ideas that would help make pvp better like additions to IC like you stated in your video. A lot of the community doesnt even watch stream or know who you guys are especially console players. Doing this would make you guys more known to the rest of the community and share your ideas with them and maybe get them more appealing to ZOS if everyone agrees and wants them.

I really hope you stick around and stream eso more because youre my favorite streamer. Been watching you for a long time and cant seem to enjoy anyone else streaming this game more than you.