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leepalmer95

Crown wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

confirmed. cheater

Confirmed whingey 13 year old mindset who is unable to understand basic concepts of different play styles.

Maybe instead of watching Sypher stream you should come watch me next time I play. You might learn something.

While were on the topic of templars.

Would 2 skoria/5VD/5 karenac's be an ok set up for a templar? Was thinking considering jabs/proxy/beam is a dot + siege proc's both scoria + VD at the moment.

Sypher

Crown wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

confirmed. cheater

Confirmed whingey 13 year old mindset who is unable to understand basic concepts of different play styles.

Maybe instead of watching Sypher stream you should come watch me next time I play. You might learn something.

Can you link me your stream?

Crown

leepalmer95 wrote: »

While were on the topic of templars. Would 2 skoria/5VD/5 karenac's be an ok set up for a templar? Was thinking considering jabs/proxy/beam is a dot + siege proc's both scoria + VD at the moment.

@leepalmer95 5VD/5 Kagrenac is the base for most magicka Templar builds. Skoria could be interesting, though I've never tried it (a few months ago I ran that dungeon about 50 times in the span of a week and the only head I got was at home ;-)

I sometimes use:

• 2 Molag Kena (if you can get the proc with melee range - not usually easy)
• 1 Molag Kena and 1 Blood Spawn (best combination of stats - damage and regen)
• 2 Blood Spawn (ult regen is very nice when using a low cost option such as Dawnbreaker of Smiting)
• 2 Willpower (more magicka pool)

Recently I've been using a resto staff on one bar and DW swords on the other (instead of S&B/DW) so in order to get benefits on the resto bar (from range) I've kept the molag kena 1-piece and accepted the loss of a set-item for DW. During the farming stint I was in 2 Willpower (so no benefit while using resto, but extra magicka and spell damage on the DW bar (magicka from Willpower and spell damage from DW). To achieve this, I used a neck and a sword of willpower.

Zheg

I'm going to make an emp push next campaign cycle by farming crown near bleakers. Jesus beam v Jesus beam yo.

Warraxx

*yawn*

zZzleepyhead

Darnathian wrote: »

zZzleepyhead wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

i wanna see the 50 failed attempts between each of these where he pops into grps that are not afk or lagged to death by the servers

ToRelax wrote: »

I don't find these videos particularly interesting... but those comments are awesome.

Ya know it's all fair to dislike Sypher, but is there a legitimate reason? I mean, you're hatin' on a guy who's success has actually sold copies of the game. At what point do you stop and reflect?
He's just a dude who streams and plays the same game you do. If any emotion at all, you should be happy that he inspires players to get better at PvP (this is indisputable). Is it jealousy? Does his fame bother you?
Does he send you 'your momma' jokes every time you log on or something? You can block him, ya know.
If a no-name player posted the same video I doubt there would be as many negative posts.
I mean...the video is titled 'Free AP' not 'still better than u in 2016 montage'

Darnathian wrote: »

yup. and who les the charge on the AP system? oh thats right the OP.

It was so funny the other day when he tried on day 2 to push emp. Literally the first time i saw him say anythimg in zone about pushing map.
immediately 3 players responded omg sypher is posting in zone about objectives.
then he begged Nait to not go ahead of him so he could get emp.
ya. good luck with that crowning. keep trying to change the game mechanics for selfish reasons
but hey you make great videos of literally ALL the cheese in the game at the time
lol. how do followers not see the cheese.

Where to even start. You know you really are the cream of the crop when it comes to Sypher hate. This post is so illogical I hardly want to respond to it, but what the hell. Let's just start with... your first line. I think you're saying who "led the charge" as in he was #1. I just want to point out that was a great observation. A lot of players don't know where the leaderboards are, but you've already proven you're in the upper echelon of players by pointing this out. Or it could be "led the change" In which case you can thank him.

"It was funny when he tried to push emp." Well dayum! You're an easy-pleaser! Here's a real knee-slapper for ya. I tried for emp last week too xD xD xD came home from work to be 110K AP down. said, "*** it." You can write that down if you'd like.
Let's continue...
"first time i saw him say anything in zone".
Zone.. zone zone zone. O' beloved zone. If I told you my name, could you tell me you have seen me say anything about pushing the map in chat? I'll give you a hint... no jk I'll let you figure it out

PSA: YOU NEED 6 MIDDLE KEEPS FOR EMP. I'm still trying to figure why he was trying to push the map too. PM me if you figure it out though.

This is the real great part that really got me to respond to your. . uh . post.

"keep trying to change the game mechanics for selfish reasons"

Sypher 1vX with no AOE caps and dynamic ult; AOE caps implemented and dynamic ult removed; Still 1vX's - now with limited options; You're ridiculing a player who wants to remove AOE caps so he is NOT FORCED into playing this playstyle; You're probably upset with him for going over ZOS and suggesting the game would be better without AOE caps; bash him for playing the meta AOE burst or any meta build and call it cheese; and then you claim it's all for selfish reasons DESPITE ANY FACTS. Is it cheese to stack my attribute points? Is it cheese to wear armor sets? Honestly, where do you draw the line. Do you see the full circle here?

ah a fanboi. love it.

i am for aoe cap removal. yes. he led the charge for changing how ap is distributed. and i called him out in that very same thread that it was for him to try to get emp to make more 1 v x threads to get more subscribers. and low and behold 2 months here we are.

only he took it one step farther. he called a friend of mine a cheater behind his back after he acted cool with him to get him to not pass him on leaderboard.

i dont hate him or lash out at him. i just call out his bs. you want to 1 v x go ahead. but come and try to take emp which significantly helps raids trying to win the campaign, from people who have fought to try to win, yes ihave a problem with that.

i am rediculing, as i do to the other streamers, that they joined a mmo that was designed for large scale and been pushing for design changes to suit thier play style bc it gets more followers for 1 v x.

your post is a fail. i am stating facts. you want to put your blinders on and be a fan boi go right ahead.

I so sad my post is fail please console me
how was work, bae?
please inform me on how I'm a fanboi && have blinders? i think u jus b trolln
"only he took it one step farther. he called a friend of mine a cheater behind his back after he acted cool with him to get him to not pass him on leaderboard."

It's just so funny. can't stop teh lolz I appreciate your response, bae is this your stated fact? i'm having a hard time where you're coming from. Would you happen to have *** and a ***?

So it's selfish of Sypher to ask for what the majority of gamers are playing these days? I'd call that selfless -- Like helping an old lady across the street. ZOS being the incapable feeble lil' *** and the PvP community is bein' all "HEY! SUCCESS IS RIGHT ACROSS THE *** STREET." I can't keep myself entertained playing with armor dyes and stone trebs, sorrrryyyy. How is it selfish when there are thousands of people saying the exact same thing/have left because of this. Nobody, on the forums at least, is claiming Sypher king of PvP: What the king says goes. He's simply a outlet for many players such as myself. What he does in-game is none of my business. We all just want a good PvP experience.
You're basically saying he's not playing Cyrodiil the "right way" Wtf is that? Cyrodiil is just a big *** zone with capturable keeps. That's actually it... I didn't realize there were players who actually had emotional ties to the campaign victor.

i am rediculing, as i do to the other streamers, that they joined a mmo that was designed for large scale and been pushing for design changes to suit thier play style bc it gets more followers for 1 v x.
Very true, guhjob. BUTT, don't dismiss it's been 2 years. The streamers aren't the origin or the sole effort towards pvp design changes. The PvP community is more sparse then its ever been. people are leaving rapidly. the game actually cannot handle my balls, your ovaries or the zerg balls.
ZOS BE LIKE..ENJOi THE CAKE

Crown

Sypher wrote: »

Can you link me your stream?

Here's the account (and my answering machine message):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFmCQPaW3zI

I'll probably play for an hour or two on Sunday early afternoon. As I told you last time you're welcome to join me.

zyk

Sypher wrote: »

Can't blame the people for assuming things though.

I think it's kind of reckless for someone as popular as you to make a baseless statement like this.

I'm sure we all question some seemingly unfathomable things other players may do -- privately or among our friends. I've done it; and later regretted it when I get tells accusing me of the same sort of thing I've been suspicious of another for. But I think a celebrity needs to mind his words in a public forum a bit more.

Crown doesn't deserve to be the subject of a witch hunt.

Sypher

Crown wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Can you link me your stream?

Here's the account (and my answering machine message):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFmCQPaW3zI

I'll probably play for an hour or two on Sunday early afternoon. As I told you last time you're welcome to join me.

What's your twitch link, can't seem to find it.

Crown

Sypher wrote: »

What's your twitch link, can't seem to find it.

I've been using the Youtube stream (Twitch won't let me stream 1080p) function.

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8M5ycKnXGPJWvRCJLF0rpQ

I still can't figure out how to change the Youtube channel name..

Satiar

Wow did this really turn into accusing Crown of exploiting for AP.

You guys

Lava_Croft

Two years on, still no end to scrub-bashing videos.

Well, whatever bring bread on your table I guess.

Enraged_Tiki_Torch

Xsorus wrote: »

Hell you can go view syphers saved streams.. He fights a group on top of a bridge and remarks the same thing... He stood no chance at killing any of them cause the healing was so extreme he couldn't burst anyone down...

And he shouldn't be able to. You can't be so lonely in your thoughts about this. IF you gave anyone, not just Sypher, something that allowed them to be able burst through 5+ healers spamming BoL. It's isn't going to just be a few people using that "whatever super god mode thing". Everyone will use it and then suddenly it's not so great. I could go on but hopefully you get the picture... I want balance and not "IWIN" buttons. I want things to improve performance and not fixes that always seem to dig the hole deeper.

As far as performance, I am simply giving Zenimax the benefit here to what they are saying the issue is from their point of view. Anyone who has played Cyrodiil since launch can obviously come to a different conclusion. Heck you can play for a day or 2 in BWB verse vet campaigns and begin to see where some of the issues are coming from. Going further though will derail the topic of this post so I won't.

Slaxis

Sypher wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I don't see why anyone is mad about this. This type of playstyle was predicted by just about everyone. We all knew this would happen. And it did. Hooray.

Apparently there are a lot of people mad because I can still make more AP than Sypher. Solo player skills are not the same as AP farming skills. I've said it many times - maybe people will start to understand it ;-)

Can't blame the people for assuming things though.

Half a million AP in 2 hours during off peak hours is definitely a feat, even for an expert at AP farming.

I also never ran across your character, not many battles to be had. We also didn't own any enemy resources and when ours were attacked I went to defend for AP.

I don't want to accuse you publicly, but can't help but feel doubtful. If you can remove my doubts I would be open minded about it.

doesnt the time on the end of camp say its a 4 hour difference....or am I reading this wrong

Ghost-Shot

Slaxis wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I don't see why anyone is mad about this. This type of playstyle was predicted by just about everyone. We all knew this would happen. And it did. Hooray.

Apparently there are a lot of people mad because I can still make more AP than Sypher. Solo player skills are not the same as AP farming skills. I've said it many times - maybe people will start to understand it ;-)

Can't blame the people for assuming things though.

Half a million AP in 2 hours during off peak hours is definitely a feat, even for an expert at AP farming.

I also never ran across your character, not many battles to be had. We also didn't own any enemy resources and when ours were attacked I went to defend for AP.

I don't want to accuse you publicly, but can't help but feel doubtful. If you can remove my doubts I would be open minded about it.

doesnt the time on the end of camp say its a 4 hour difference....or am I reading this wrong

I didn't even notice that lol

zyk

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Two years on, still no end to scrub-bashing videos.

Well, whatever bring bread on your table I guess.

As an old school gamer, this has always disappointed me about ESO PVP. When I was near the top of my particular game many years ago, the top 10--and to a lesser degree the top 25--teams mainly fought each other. It was generally considered dishonorable and a waste of time to seek out lesser competition.

In ESO, the 'elite' scene is all about baiting less experienced/organized players. A lot of these dudes also have their friends waiting in stealth, ready to jump in should their attempt at impressive footage fail.

From an AD POV, it is routine for top guilds from EP and DC fighting in the same area to completely ignore each other.

I consider it toxic because it discourages new and less experienced players and prevents truly competitive elite-level rivalries from forming.

Sypher

Slaxis wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I don't see why anyone is mad about this. This type of playstyle was predicted by just about everyone. We all knew this would happen. And it did. Hooray.

Apparently there are a lot of people mad because I can still make more AP than Sypher. Solo player skills are not the same as AP farming skills. I've said it many times - maybe people will start to understand it ;-)

Can't blame the people for assuming things though.

Half a million AP in 2 hours during off peak hours is definitely a feat, even for an expert at AP farming.

I also never ran across your character, not many battles to be had. We also didn't own any enemy resources and when ours were attacked I went to defend for AP.

I don't want to accuse you publicly, but can't help but feel doubtful. If you can remove my doubts I would be open minded about it.

doesnt the time on the end of camp say its a 4 hour difference....or am I reading this wrong

I have the screen shot messed up, but at 5 AM crown wasn't in the top 15 so it doesn't make a difference, I can go find it on my stream and post it here.

The previous broadcast can be found here: I frequently checked the score https://www.twitch.tv/sypherpk/v/57649791

FENGRUSH

Zheg wrote: »

@xsorus, @frozywozy it's delightful to see you still grasping at the final few remaining straws to your anti-ball tirades. This patch is just further evidence against what you've been claiming the entire time, and if you went to go eat some cake last night you'd realize how clueless you've been. The starter zones were at a stand still in some cases because of the volume of players in one area. A few skills were going out because hey why not, but it's hardly the aoe spamming stack on crown lines you keep spewing over and over. You're wrong, utterly and completely. ESO just can't handle people, it has almost nothing at all to do with whether or not people are in a ball or within 100m of each other.

Xsorus wrote: »

If only Sypher ran with 23 other people... You might like him more *grin*

Let's all be honest here.. You are one of the reasons pvp has developed into the way it has... You decided to Zerg in a giant ball for quite some time now all while saying "it's just one group" and "the game is designed for large scale battles; I'm just playing with out the mechanics are intended" and you have the Balls to give him crap for using a non bugged set that is a risk to your *** play style that's caused countless damage to this game... Please...

You had zero problem lagging this game with your play style and creating the bloody mess that is the zergs in this game... But you're upset a Sypher for posting videos of him blowing up zergs... Or maybe you're just upset that people actually enjoy watching him play and find videos of 24 people zerging to be boring and terrible to watch.

I also said that as someone that plays in a large group, and solo, and in small groups - over the course of a year, the only time I've ever noticed changes in lag during fights is when the volume of players is high. When ball groups can fight other ball groups and not lag, and then someone dense comes in and says "ball groups cause all the lag!" - all I can do is shake my head at how their blind hatred for groups forces them to completely ignore what happens when players all show up at the same keep, don't ball, and it still lags. THAT'S why I had zero problem playing in a large group, because you need them to help spread the map out and push the front lines away from the single fight we have on the map in this patch, and because the game lags when there are raw bodies at a keep and vicinity has negligible effects on lag. Think about it, you've likely never even been in a group of 10 much less a group over 4 people, but you so adamantly insist you're the expert and have a wealth of experience within a large group to argue what happens to lag.

As for the set, no. It's honestly not the main risk for our group. Prox det is. We've adapted and implemented strategies to mitigate or counter it, but a broken set is still a broken set and white knighting it because you think it's actually hurting groups is silly.

Performance is fine with 50 people standing in the same area. When these people ball up and flood springs and purge, the game completely dies. This was just as true, BUT even more so in the past. Battles on flags where the game stopped working for 5mins straight. It was caused from the massive amount of AOEs calculating on lots of players. Not just because lots of players were there.

Back in the days of early release, the real lag started to occur when tsyms ball group came out pumping nonstop healing into each other. Like it or not, thats a reality. Players felt the lag before ever seeing them. They knew they were somewhere in the area, not because they brought a group to the area, but because they brought a group to the area flooding healing on each other.

1.6 purge spam was a complete and absolute joke. Performance could literally be destroyed at a moments notice by having the entire group flood purge. And ball groups did it. A specific EP group did it so so often while retreating, its embarrassing to see people actually defend it. If you are concerned about progress - you need to acknowledge the reality of things.

The game changes patch by patch, so the same problems caused one patch are lessened in another. At this point, the game is littered with attempted fixes and has a client built on so many bad changes that nothing works well. It cant handle large amounts of players, it cant handle ball groups, it cant handle ability spam - it cant handle a lot of things. When you combine all of these things, you get varying levels of failure.

But please dont try to say ball groups have not caused lag. They have. And I dont blame them for playing the way they do, I blame poor development. If Sypher caused the entire server to freeze for 30 seconds when he blew up a ball group with VD set, I wouldnt blame him, Id blame the developers. And I wouldnt expect him to stop either, because thats what a 1vXer should do. For the large groups that want to win, theyve done what they have done. The only difference is in the past - ball groups have literally huddled up and flooded purge before pushing through choke points to lower stability. Ive seen this from all factions in the past..... it is a thing. Its real - and it is different from general failure. Its taking advantage of terrible server stability to avoid damage.


My advice is dont be concerned for positive progress. The current development team is not interested in addressing actual real solutions. Players fight amongst themselves, and its all a waste of time honestly. Enjoy the ride, have some fun. Until management changes or a public message comes from ZOS acknowledging things are not only broken, but until they are taking a hardline commitment to fixing it - nothing will change. But its not worth their money, so it wont happen. Enjoy the 'incremental fixes' - because none of them will ever fix Cyro. Weve had incremental fixes for over a year - what has changed?

Stop fighting - accept the mediocrity of Cyro, andpraise The Lord FENGRUSH to ascend beyond the filth of primetime Cyrodiil.

Crown

I just listened to @Sypher's stream for the few minutes of Crown-bashing. I'm honestly amazed at the immaturity of what I heard and read in the side bar chat. I understand the need to be sensationalistic, draw viewers in, and make them passionate about the stream so that they keep donating money - though all you've accomplished is to make yourself look foolish in the eyes of the experienced PvP players.

I know there's nothing that anyone can say that will change the minds of all the children who feel the deep seated need to believe that their hero is the best at everything (including AP farming) in the world and nobody could possibly be better. I'm going to clarify a few facts and them I'm done.

1. You knew where I was, or at least had the ability to. At any time you could have whispered me and I'd have been happy to discuss AP farming. The camps, the siege on resources, the swords on the map, etc. Whenever you kill two or three players (I'm not certain but it happens often enough that this number seems right) there are swords. I saw the swords on my mini map all time time. Pay attention, get some map awareness instead of just looking in front of your nose, and you can find anyone who is farming AP.

2. There were over 100 people online in Resilient, the PvP training guild that I founded, of which about 50 were watching as I explained in detail for them what I was doing. I enjoy teaching, and a fun time was had by all. There were a few coming in and out of TS where we were discussing Templar builds (mostly javelin vs shards vs magelight - fitting 2/3 of those on the bar).

3. I don't keep videos available for the masses, as unlike you I don't care about making a few dollars from them. My real life job pays a hell of a lot better than 99% of the people who make money from videos.

4. When you asked to group, I was expecting one of my colleagues to arrive any minute. He showed up about 20 minutes later, at which point I wished you luck and left. When I came back you were online already, and saw people complaining in zone about AP standing - where I stated multiple times that I wasn't going to pass you. That didn't stop your fanbois from whispering, mailing, and talking in zone about how anyone who plays better than you do has to be a cheater.

5. I've been making AP like this for the past year. I've taught a lot of people how to farm AP, and a hell of a lot about this game. It's only when Sypher is shown up as not being the best at farming that the fanbois lose their cool. It's quite funny, and goes to show what kind of attitude is prevalent in the game right now.

6. I enjoyed watching some of your vids, and was hoping to enjoy an emp vid with your bomb build. If my clearly stating in zone and to you directly that I wasn't going to pass you didn't reassure you, then you obviously don't know me very well. The last time I passed you when you were trying for emp I was leading a group and didn't have my DK ready for PvP. I even offered to drop campaign as it was the second day after reset (if I recall correctly).

7. In the grand scheme of things, what you think, and what I think doesn't matter. I'm going to keep playing games for fun, and you're going to keep trying to make money off of people who watch you play games.

8. I've about had enough of the game - as I've said a few times lately. After hearing your stream, I was thinking about coming on and going full out on my NB to pass you by tomorrow just to show how easy it is. One of the guys in TS with me said that you had dropped out of the running and couldn't maintain the heat, so there's no point in doing so any more. I'm happier playing Paragon right now anyway.

I wish you all the best, good luck making money streaming while you can, and good luck in the game. Perhaps when CU comes out I'll spend some time hunting you if we're in opposite factions.

GRxKnight

Slaxis wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I don't see why anyone is mad about this. This type of playstyle was predicted by just about everyone. We all knew this would happen. And it did. Hooray.

Apparently there are a lot of people mad because I can still make more AP than Sypher. Solo player skills are not the same as AP farming skills. I've said it many times - maybe people will start to understand it ;-)

Can't blame the people for assuming things though.

Half a million AP in 2 hours during off peak hours is definitely a feat, even for an expert at AP farming.

I also never ran across your character, not many battles to be had. We also didn't own any enemy resources and when ours were attacked I went to defend for AP.

I don't want to accuse you publicly, but can't help but feel doubtful. If you can remove my doubts I would be open minded about it.

doesnt the time on the end of camp say its a 4 hour difference....or am I reading this wrong

#wrecked

Ampnode

Crown wrote: »

I just listened to @Sypher's stream for the few minutes of Crown-bashing. I'm honestly amazed at the immaturity of what I heard and read in the side bar chat. I understand the need to be sensationalistic, draw viewers in, and make them passionate about the stream so that they keep donating money - though all you've accomplished is to make yourself look foolish in the eyes of the experienced PvP players.

I know there's nothing that anyone can say that will change the minds of all the children who feel the deep seated need to believe that their hero is the best at everything (including AP farming) in the world and nobody could possibly be better. I'm going to clarify a few facts and them I'm done.

1. You knew where I was, or at least had the ability to. At any time you could have whispered me and I'd have been happy to discuss AP farming. The camps, the siege on resources, the swords on the map, etc. Whenever you kill two or three players (I'm not certain but it happens often enough that this number seems right) there are swords. I saw the swords on my mini map all time time. Pay attention, get some map awareness instead of just looking in front of your nose, and you can find anyone who is farming AP.

2. There were over 100 people online in Resilient, the PvP training guild that I founded, of which about 50 were watching as I explained in detail for them what I was doing. I enjoy teaching, and a fun time was had by all. There were a few coming in and out of TS where we were discussing Templar builds (mostly javelin vs shards vs magelight - fitting 2/3 of those on the bar).

3. I don't keep videos available for the masses, as unlike you I don't care about making a few dollars from them. My real life job pays a hell of a lot better than 99% of the people who make money from videos.

4. When you asked to group, I was expecting one of my colleagues to arrive any minute. He showed up about 20 minutes later, at which point I wished you luck and left. When I came back you were online already, and saw people complaining in zone about AP standing - where I stated multiple times that I wasn't going to pass you. That didn't stop your fanbois from whispering, mailing, and talking in zone about how anyone who plays better than you do has to be a cheater.

5. I've been making AP like this for the past year. I've taught a lot of people how to farm AP, and a hell of a lot about this game. It's only when Sypher is shown up as not being the best at farming that the fanbois lose their cool. It's quite funny, and goes to show what kind of attitude is prevalent in the game right now.

6. I enjoyed watching some of your vids, and was hoping to enjoy an emp vid with your bomb build. If my clearly stating in zone and to you directly that I wasn't going to pass you didn't reassure you, then you obviously don't know me very well. The last time I passed you when you were trying for emp I was leading a group and didn't have my DK ready for PvP. I even offered to drop campaign as it was the second day after reset (if I recall correctly).

7. In the grand scheme of things, what you think, and what I think doesn't matter. I'm going to keep playing games for fun, and you're going to keep trying to make money off of people who watch you play games.

8. I've about had enough of the game - as I've said a few times lately. After hearing your stream, I was thinking about coming on and going full out on my NB to pass you by tomorrow just to show how easy it is. One of the guys in TS with me said that you had dropped out of the running and couldn't maintain the heat, so there's no point in doing so any more. I'm happier playing Paragon right now anyway.

I wish you all the best, good luck making money streaming while you can, and good luck in the game. Perhaps when CU comes out I'll spend some time hunting you if we're in opposite factions.

The constant implication of you stating about having a high paying job is more childish than the situation itself. Those who have wealth don't flaunt it on a forum. Quit being a child, lower the ego levels, keep your stories straight, and most of the community won't think you're a complete joke.

zyk

I would also like to add that while some players play ESO to elevate their status as a celebrities, Crown has put a *lot* of his time into elevating his faction. He trains others and freely shares information without profit. It is normal for the guilds he runs with to play the map.

I could not care less when an in-it-for-himself player is making an emp run. I don't know why anyone would, regardless of faction.

No offense to Sypher. I have nothing against him. But I also have no reason to care about anything he does because I play a game called Alliance War. *

* well, I played a game called Alliance War when it was semi-playable.

Wollust

I love how this went from boom video to bashing and cheating and whatever else.

Zheg

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

@xsorus, @frozywozy it's delightful to see you still grasping at the final few remaining straws to your anti-ball tirades. This patch is just further evidence against what you've been claiming the entire time, and if you went to go eat some cake last night you'd realize how clueless you've been. The starter zones were at a stand still in some cases because of the volume of players in one area. A few skills were going out because hey why not, but it's hardly the aoe spamming stack on crown lines you keep spewing over and over. You're wrong, utterly and completely. ESO just can't handle people, it has almost nothing at all to do with whether or not people are in a ball or within 100m of each other.

Xsorus wrote: »

If only Sypher ran with 23 other people... You might like him more *grin*

Let's all be honest here.. You are one of the reasons pvp has developed into the way it has... You decided to Zerg in a giant ball for quite some time now all while saying "it's just one group" and "the game is designed for large scale battles; I'm just playing with out the mechanics are intended" and you have the Balls to give him crap for using a non bugged set that is a risk to your *** play style that's caused countless damage to this game... Please...

You had zero problem lagging this game with your play style and creating the bloody mess that is the zergs in this game... But you're upset a Sypher for posting videos of him blowing up zergs... Or maybe you're just upset that people actually enjoy watching him play and find videos of 24 people zerging to be boring and terrible to watch.

I also said that as someone that plays in a large group, and solo, and in small groups - over the course of a year, the only time I've ever noticed changes in lag during fights is when the volume of players is high. When ball groups can fight other ball groups and not lag, and then someone dense comes in and says "ball groups cause all the lag!" - all I can do is shake my head at how their blind hatred for groups forces them to completely ignore what happens when players all show up at the same keep, don't ball, and it still lags. THAT'S why I had zero problem playing in a large group, because you need them to help spread the map out and push the front lines away from the single fight we have on the map in this patch, and because the game lags when there are raw bodies at a keep and vicinity has negligible effects on lag. Think about it, you've likely never even been in a group of 10 much less a group over 4 people, but you so adamantly insist you're the expert and have a wealth of experience within a large group to argue what happens to lag.

As for the set, no. It's honestly not the main risk for our group. Prox det is. We've adapted and implemented strategies to mitigate or counter it, but a broken set is still a broken set and white knighting it because you think it's actually hurting groups is silly.

Performance is fine with 50 people standing in the same area. When these people ball up and flood springs and purge, the game completely dies. This was just as true, BUT even more so in the past. Battles on flags where the game stopped working for 5mins straight. It was caused from the massive amount of AOEs calculating on lots of players. Not just because lots of players were there.

Back in the days of early release, the real lag started to occur when tsyms ball group came out pumping nonstop healing into each other. Like it or not, thats a reality. Players felt the lag before ever seeing them. They knew they were somewhere in the area, not because they brought a group to the area, but because they brought a group to the area flooding healing on each other.

1.6 purge spam was a complete and absolute joke. Performance could literally be destroyed at a moments notice by having the entire group flood purge. And ball groups did it. A specific EP group did it so so often while retreating, its embarrassing to see people actually defend it. If you are concerned about progress - you need to acknowledge the reality of things.

The game changes patch by patch, so the same problems caused one patch are lessened in another. At this point, the game is littered with attempted fixes and has a client built on so many bad changes that nothing works well. It cant handle large amounts of players, it cant handle ball groups, it cant handle ability spam - it cant handle a lot of things. When you combine all of these things, you get varying levels of failure.

But please dont try to say ball groups have not caused lag. They have. And I dont blame them for playing the way they do, I blame poor development. If Sypher caused the entire server to freeze for 30 seconds when he blew up a ball group with VD set, I wouldnt blame him, Id blame the developers. And I wouldnt expect him to stop either, because thats what a 1vXer should do. For the large groups that want to win, theyve done what they have done. The only difference is in the past - ball groups have literally huddled up and flooded purge before pushing through choke points to lower stability. Ive seen this from all factions in the past..... it is a thing. Its real - and it is different from general failure. Its taking advantage of terrible server stability to avoid damage.


My advice is dont be concerned for positive progress. The current development team is not interested in addressing actual real solutions. Players fight amongst themselves, and its all a waste of time honestly. Enjoy the ride, have some fun. Until management changes or a public message comes from ZOS acknowledging things are not only broken, but until they are taking a hardline commitment to fixing it - nothing will change. But its not worth their money, so it wont happen. Enjoy the 'incremental fixes' - because none of them will ever fix Cyro. Weve had incremental fixes for over a year - what has changed?

Stop fighting - accept the mediocrity of Cyro, andpraise The Lord FENGRUSH to ascend beyond the filth of primetime Cyrodiil.

I agree that nothing is going to change for the better with the current development teams in place. With regards to the lag though, the majority of the time I've found the opposite to be true of what you say. 50 players not balled up will lag for me just as much as 50 players balled up. In this patch, it seems like a single emote causes lag. As of the last patch though, I could roll up to a keep with our group (not even condensed, as we're about to go into siege mode and still have a backline from the horse ride), and could usually tell if there was a group inside simply by the ping spike. It wasn't because they were inside spamming healing springs, and anyone that insists that's what happens is a verifiable moron. It was due solely to the numbers of bodies that had now accumulated at the keep.

Granted, it's anecdotal evidence on both of our ends, but it's a little ridiculous when people who have never even been in a large group claim to have a better grasp of the lag that happens during group v group engagements. I'd say it's a safe bet that the number of 'anecdotal evidence' occurrences I've been involved in are more than yours, xsorus, and frozn's combined, and then multiplied by 10. Most of the people I talk to that play in large groups echo the same, and clearly one pool of people should have a far better grasp of what happens in group fights than those who have yet to even run in one.

Again, it doesn't even matter any more because the entire meta is to stack up at a single keep and stay for D ticks and the server is just perpetually lagged, but when you get asinine comments how aoe spamming groups are the root of the lag, and then you have a freaking cake npc cause cyrodiil levels of lag simply because of the volumes of people - people who are casting barely any skills at all, it baffles me how they can remain so dense as to continue blaming lag on balls rather than total bodies (and more relevantly, poor coding and management from ZOS).

I've always been tempted to take 3 guilds from each alliance, pick a dead campaign, meet at a keep, and start putting people at least 5 m apart from each other to demonstrate the lag that happens just from bodies at a keep, regardless of whether they're in a ball or not. I'm sure I'd hear excuses from the likely candidates, but nonetheless I've been in enough ball v ball fights that don't lag (once upon a time...) to know that the popular argument is far from accurate. Unfortunately, I don't think you could even accomplish that right now given the number of pvp guilds left.

Darnathian

Slaxis wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I don't see why anyone is mad about this. This type of playstyle was predicted by just about everyone. We all knew this would happen. And it did. Hooray.

Apparently there are a lot of people mad because I can still make more AP than Sypher. Solo player skills are not the same as AP farming skills. I've said it many times - maybe people will start to understand it ;-)

Can't blame the people for assuming things though.

Half a million AP in 2 hours during off peak hours is definitely a feat, even for an expert at AP farming.

I also never ran across your character, not many battles to be had. We also didn't own any enemy resources and when ours were attacked I went to defend for AP.

I don't want to accuse you publicly, but can't help but feel doubtful. If you can remove my doubts I would be open minded about it.

doesnt the time on the end of camp say its a 4 hour difference....or am I reading this wrong

REKT

Darnathian

Ampnode wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

I just listened to @Sypher's stream for the few minutes of Crown-bashing. I'm honestly amazed at the immaturity of what I heard and read in the side bar chat. I understand the need to be sensationalistic, draw viewers in, and make them passionate about the stream so that they keep donating money - though all you've accomplished is to make yourself look foolish in the eyes of the experienced PvP players.

I know there's nothing that anyone can say that will change the minds of all the children who feel the deep seated need to believe that their hero is the best at everything (including AP farming) in the world and nobody could possibly be better. I'm going to clarify a few facts and them I'm done.

1. You knew where I was, or at least had the ability to. At any time you could have whispered me and I'd have been happy to discuss AP farming. The camps, the siege on resources, the swords on the map, etc. Whenever you kill two or three players (I'm not certain but it happens often enough that this number seems right) there are swords. I saw the swords on my mini map all time time. Pay attention, get some map awareness instead of just looking in front of your nose, and you can find anyone who is farming AP.

2. There were over 100 people online in Resilient, the PvP training guild that I founded, of which about 50 were watching as I explained in detail for them what I was doing. I enjoy teaching, and a fun time was had by all. There were a few coming in and out of TS where we were discussing Templar builds (mostly javelin vs shards vs magelight - fitting 2/3 of those on the bar).

3. I don't keep videos available for the masses, as unlike you I don't care about making a few dollars from them. My real life job pays a hell of a lot better than 99% of the people who make money from videos.

4. When you asked to group, I was expecting one of my colleagues to arrive any minute. He showed up about 20 minutes later, at which point I wished you luck and left. When I came back you were online already, and saw people complaining in zone about AP standing - where I stated multiple times that I wasn't going to pass you. That didn't stop your fanbois from whispering, mailing, and talking in zone about how anyone who plays better than you do has to be a cheater.

5. I've been making AP like this for the past year. I've taught a lot of people how to farm AP, and a hell of a lot about this game. It's only when Sypher is shown up as not being the best at farming that the fanbois lose their cool. It's quite funny, and goes to show what kind of attitude is prevalent in the game right now.

6. I enjoyed watching some of your vids, and was hoping to enjoy an emp vid with your bomb build. If my clearly stating in zone and to you directly that I wasn't going to pass you didn't reassure you, then you obviously don't know me very well. The last time I passed you when you were trying for emp I was leading a group and didn't have my DK ready for PvP. I even offered to drop campaign as it was the second day after reset (if I recall correctly).

7. In the grand scheme of things, what you think, and what I think doesn't matter. I'm going to keep playing games for fun, and you're going to keep trying to make money off of people who watch you play games.

8. I've about had enough of the game - as I've said a few times lately. After hearing your stream, I was thinking about coming on and going full out on my NB to pass you by tomorrow just to show how easy it is. One of the guys in TS with me said that you had dropped out of the running and couldn't maintain the heat, so there's no point in doing so any more. I'm happier playing Paragon right now anyway.

I wish you all the best, good luck making money streaming while you can, and good luck in the game. Perhaps when CU comes out I'll spend some time hunting you if we're in opposite factions.

The constant implication of you stating about having a high paying job is more childish than the situation itself. Those who have wealth don't flaunt it on a forum. Quit being a child, lower the ego levels, keep your stories straight, and most of the community won't think you're a complete joke.

oh maybe i misread but Sypher asked him where his stream was. called him out for being a cheater, publicly, because Nait beat him. and u dont think what Nait said is revalent?

lol. i think the same thing every time one of these "proffesional" gamers talks crap.

Ampnode

Darnathian wrote: »

Ampnode wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

I just listened to @Sypher's stream for the few minutes of Crown-bashing. I'm honestly amazed at the immaturity of what I heard and read in the side bar chat. I understand the need to be sensationalistic, draw viewers in, and make them passionate about the stream so that they keep donating money - though all you've accomplished is to make yourself look foolish in the eyes of the experienced PvP players.

I know there's nothing that anyone can say that will change the minds of all the children who feel the deep seated need to believe that their hero is the best at everything (including AP farming) in the world and nobody could possibly be better. I'm going to clarify a few facts and them I'm done.

1. You knew where I was, or at least had the ability to. At any time you could have whispered me and I'd have been happy to discuss AP farming. The camps, the siege on resources, the swords on the map, etc. Whenever you kill two or three players (I'm not certain but it happens often enough that this number seems right) there are swords. I saw the swords on my mini map all time time. Pay attention, get some map awareness instead of just looking in front of your nose, and you can find anyone who is farming AP.

2. There were over 100 people online in Resilient, the PvP training guild that I founded, of which about 50 were watching as I explained in detail for them what I was doing. I enjoy teaching, and a fun time was had by all. There were a few coming in and out of TS where we were discussing Templar builds (mostly javelin vs shards vs magelight - fitting 2/3 of those on the bar).

3. I don't keep videos available for the masses, as unlike you I don't care about making a few dollars from them. My real life job pays a hell of a lot better than 99% of the people who make money from videos.

4. When you asked to group, I was expecting one of my colleagues to arrive any minute. He showed up about 20 minutes later, at which point I wished you luck and left. When I came back you were online already, and saw people complaining in zone about AP standing - where I stated multiple times that I wasn't going to pass you. That didn't stop your fanbois from whispering, mailing, and talking in zone about how anyone who plays better than you do has to be a cheater.

5. I've been making AP like this for the past year. I've taught a lot of people how to farm AP, and a hell of a lot about this game. It's only when Sypher is shown up as not being the best at farming that the fanbois lose their cool. It's quite funny, and goes to show what kind of attitude is prevalent in the game right now.

6. I enjoyed watching some of your vids, and was hoping to enjoy an emp vid with your bomb build. If my clearly stating in zone and to you directly that I wasn't going to pass you didn't reassure you, then you obviously don't know me very well. The last time I passed you when you were trying for emp I was leading a group and didn't have my DK ready for PvP. I even offered to drop campaign as it was the second day after reset (if I recall correctly).

7. In the grand scheme of things, what you think, and what I think doesn't matter. I'm going to keep playing games for fun, and you're going to keep trying to make money off of people who watch you play games.

8. I've about had enough of the game - as I've said a few times lately. After hearing your stream, I was thinking about coming on and going full out on my NB to pass you by tomorrow just to show how easy it is. One of the guys in TS with me said that you had dropped out of the running and couldn't maintain the heat, so there's no point in doing so any more. I'm happier playing Paragon right now anyway.

I wish you all the best, good luck making money streaming while you can, and good luck in the game. Perhaps when CU comes out I'll spend some time hunting you if we're in opposite factions.

The constant implication of you stating about having a high paying job is more childish than the situation itself. Those who have wealth don't flaunt it on a forum. Quit being a child, lower the ego levels, keep your stories straight, and most of the community won't think you're a complete joke.

oh maybe i misread but Sypher asked him where his stream was. called him out for being a cheater, publicly, because Nait beat him. and u dont think what Nait said is revalent?

lol. i think the same thing every time one of these "proffesional" gamers talks crap.

I'm guessing you quoted me by accident? o.o

hammayolettuce

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forzajuve212

Not gonna lie, this is kinda pathetic and a pretty low blow. I might be ignorant on how this all got started but this witch hunt on stream is pretty ridiculous. The community doesn't need this hostility and division, that's all I'm saying @Sypher .

leepalmer95

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Not gonna lie, this is kinda pathetic and a pretty low blow. I might be ignorant on how this all got started but this witch hunt on stream is pretty ridiculous. The community doesn't need this hostility and division, that's all I'm saying @Sypher .

Sypher got called out first he's just responding.

Anyway whats been said has been said.

Now we wait for this ap gain video from crown which is due for a few days.