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Sugaroverdose

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

I don't share in the undiluted hatred of him, but he hasn't really done anything to earn fondness either; for the most part I'm apathetic. When he helps promote poor balance ideas, or says something factually incorrect and then you see it parroted by players, that's when it's an issue. That's hardly the majority of the case, in fact the majority of the time I'd say it's the opposite and he's quite correct. But not always, and sometimes those mistakes end up steering the narrative unfortunately.

As to the streaming, I don't get it, I never will ... I don't understand why people would want to watch someone else play a game they themselves could be playing. I think a small percentage of them (the people that end up donating hundreds/thousands of dollars) are in need of counseling and emotional help, but then again people will pay obscene amounts of money for front seat tickets to bieber.

Most of the 'crap' being talked about isn't so much that he's using the set, because frankly everyone is. I can't speak for anyone else besides myself, but I don't see the relevance of yet another prox+tether+VD video at this point, I just don't. Particularly if we're now on multiple videos from the same person. Sypher has a great deal of skill, but these bombs/this meta is far from skillful so I'm not sure what the point is. Melting people in < 1 second repairing a wall? In what way is that the skillful 1v1 / 1vX play he's built a reputation on? If I wasn't so adamant about playing my healer this patch I'd be running the same thing because that's what the meta is. But I see little reason to celebrate such a disgustingly broken meta, and any time people do so I feel like it sends all of the wrong signals to ww2.

Sypher can talk about wanting aoe caps gone as much as he wants, but when you post vids like this and people cheer them on, I can guarantee that wrobel is giggling while sitting at his desk next to an empty juice box thinking "see? this maybe wasn't the best idea but some players really love it and so many are using it, so it's good enough. Now we don't have to put in actual work in balancing the combat system."

@Sypher is one of the most important pillar keeping this game alive right now. Without his interraction through Twitch.tv , this game would not have reached the 100 000 copies sold for the past year. Not even close. You have the right to disagree with him or to not enjoy watching other people play a video game, but this is only your opinion and your interests.

At the end of the day, there are a ton of people who enjoy watching others play the game just to relax and I would rather encourage people like him than people who threaten to leave for CU or BDO every 2 posts in these forums, who were the main cause of performances problems in the first place zerging it up and who are now complaining about a meta who can actually take care people who are not being careful when balling up.

I agree that VD hits way too hard and should be scaled down on top of Proximity Det which still hit way too hard on less than 6 players, but I think this is still a way in the right direction.

Honestly, i've bought ESO after watching sypher's vids.

But now i only see successful usage of ZOS incompetence without any point: most of vids are about killing groups which already won the fight and get keep under control, it's objectively incorrect. I know that it's boring for most, but killing people while you locked in siege strategically important keep at least makes you useful on battlefield, killing group in their keep and dying right after that doesn't really do anything for AvA progress.

Zheg

@xsorus, @frozywozy it's delightful to see you still grasping at the final few remaining straws to your anti-ball tirades. This patch is just further evidence against what you've been claiming the entire time, and if you went to go eat some cake last night you'd realize how clueless you've been. The starter zones were at a stand still in some cases because of the volume of players in one area. A few skills were going out because hey why not, but it's hardly the aoe spamming stack on crown lines you keep spewing over and over. You're wrong, utterly and completely. ESO just can't handle people, it has almost nothing at all to do with whether or not people are in a ball or within 100m of each other.

Xsorus wrote: »

If only Sypher ran with 23 other people... You might like him more *grin*

Let's all be honest here.. You are one of the reasons pvp has developed into the way it has... You decided to Zerg in a giant ball for quite some time now all while saying "it's just one group" and "the game is designed for large scale battles; I'm just playing with out the mechanics are intended" and you have the Balls to give him crap for using a non bugged set that is a risk to your *** play style that's caused countless damage to this game... Please...

You had zero problem lagging this game with your play style and creating the bloody mess that is the zergs in this game... But you're upset a Sypher for posting videos of him blowing up zergs... Or maybe you're just upset that people actually enjoy watching him play and find videos of 24 people zerging to be boring and terrible to watch.

I also said that as someone that plays in a large group, and solo, and in small groups - over the course of a year, the only time I've ever noticed changes in lag during fights is when the volume of players is high. When ball groups can fight other ball groups and not lag, and then someone dense comes in and says "ball groups cause all the lag!" - all I can do is shake my head at how their blind hatred for groups forces them to completely ignore what happens when players all show up at the same keep, don't ball, and it still lags. THAT'S why I had zero problem playing in a large group, because you need them to help spread the map out and push the front lines away from the single fight we have on the map in this patch, and because the game lags when there are raw bodies at a keep and vicinity has negligible effects on lag. Think about it, you've likely never even been in a group of 10 much less a group over 4 people, but you so adamantly insist you're the expert and have a wealth of experience within a large group to argue what happens to lag.

As for the set, no. It's honestly not the main risk for our group. Prox det is. We've adapted and implemented strategies to mitigate or counter it, but a broken set is still a broken set and white knighting it because you think it's actually hurting groups is silly.

Xsorus

Zheg wrote: »

@xsorus, @frozywozy it's delightful to see you still grasping at the final few remaining straws to your anti-ball tirades. This patch is just further evidence against what you've been claiming the entire time, and if you went to go eat some cake last night you'd realize how clueless you've been. The starter zones were at a stand still in some cases because of the volume of players in one area. A few skills were going out because hey why not, but it's hardly the aoe spamming stack on crown lines you keep spewing over and over. You're wrong, utterly and completely. ESO just can't handle people, it has almost nothing at all to do with whether or not people are in a ball or within 100m of each other.

You mean the starter zones with the giant blob of people standing all in one spot trying to do a quest?

.....Gee its almost like they mimic something else..

Zheg

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

@xsorus, @frozywozy it's delightful to see you still grasping at the final few remaining straws to your anti-ball tirades. This patch is just further evidence against what you've been claiming the entire time, and if you went to go eat some cake last night you'd realize how clueless you've been. The starter zones were at a stand still in some cases because of the volume of players in one area. A few skills were going out because hey why not, but it's hardly the aoe spamming stack on crown lines you keep spewing over and over. You're wrong, utterly and completely. ESO just can't handle people, it has almost nothing at all to do with whether or not people are in a ball or within 100m of each other.

You mean the starter zones with the giant blob of people standing all in one spot trying to do a quest?

.....Gee its almost like they mimic something else..

Ahhh, so what happened to the aoe spamming from ball groups being the problem? No longer as strong of an argument eh? Maybe that's because you were and have been wrong this whole time.

Morozov

Sypher wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

yup. and who les the charge on the AP system? oh thats right the OP.

It was so funny the other day when he tried on day 2 to push emp. Literally the first time i saw him say anythimg in zone about pushing map.

immediately 3 players responded omg sypher is posting in zone about objectives.


then he begged Nait to not go ahead of him so he could get emp.

ya. good luck with that crowning. keep trying to change the game mechanics for selfish reasons

but hey you make great videos of literally ALL the cheese in the game at the time

shield stacking. check

mag dk. check

perma dodge rollin. check.

vd. check.

lol. how do followers not see the cheese.

LOL I had double his AP. I called it quits on the emp run after maintaining first place for 4 days.

please...

im gonna go on record here and say that was made possible because several of us have been busy playing Paragon.

Crown

Darnathian wrote: »

then he begged Nait to not go ahead of him so he could get emp.

@Darnathian Sypher and I were talking about emp, and being as I've had it 50+ times (most of last campaign in Azura on my Templar, and the only AD to have it in TF on my DK), and really couldn't care less about it any more, when he asked if I would not overtake him I had no issue agreeing. It wasn't begging - it was a respectful conversation between players.

Darnathian wrote: »

Nait logged in and came within 20k ap in ONE DAY. So OP decided to ask him not to overtake him AGAIN like he has done everytime OP HAS TRIED. then little did Nait know OP and had conversations with others that he had cheated to catch up with AP.

@Darnathian Regarding accusations of cheating, 50 people watching me stream the great run (see below) can confirm otherwise, though I'd like to know what was said and by who.

Sypher wrote: »

Very Impressive, no idea where he was killing people considering the off peak hours. He must have a way with finding the juicy AP gains! Respect the grind.

What happened is the same as usual lately when I'm playing - most opposing players know that if they can show 10 screen shots of killing blows on any of my toons (Crown, Nait, Randym) I'll give them a free kill on Crown to get the achievement for killing an alliance rank 50 Grand Overlord (it gets you a colour). All I have to do is show up at a north western resource, kill a few people, and then they keep coming.

I was streaming the second hour of play (started about 6am eastern and had close to 50 viewers at the end). I had just under 200 kills in the hour being chased from Rayles to the Chalman gate, up around Bleakers, then back to Aleswell. They just kept coming.. because new colours are all that is important in the game anymore?

All I have to say about that is jesus beam OP, and a Templar in the same bomb build as a NB might not have Soul Tether, but a proxy with an unblocked meteor (javelin the target before they can block it) or a DawnBreaker of Smiting leading into a beam ensures a VD explosion and can kill similar numbers. It takes about a second longer so some could escape, though having Repentance ensures that the Templar has enough stamina to stay alive long enough to get the rest of them.

Sypher wrote: »

24v1 me bruh

@Sypher Best response ever. I laughed out loud.

Morozov wrote: »

im gonna go on record here and say that was made possible because several of us have been busy playing Paragon.

This is the message of the day in Victorem - I put it up on Saturday:

Many of us (Slaxis and Crown included) are taking a break from ESO. The lag, the bugs, the faction politics, and the complete incompetence on the part of ZOS in releasing this latest patch have disillusioned us to the game more so than previously (which was pretty significant already).

We definitely want to continue gaming as a community, though we're not certain of the timing (or even if we will be) coming back to ESO on a regular basis. We will definitely log on and play a bit, but organized PvP will probably happen a lot less for the next while.

We will be putting up a community / guild site soon to ensure that we can all keep playing together be it in ESO, Paragon, Caemlot Unchained, or other games. We're still in TS no matter what we play, so if you want to learn about other games or just chat, hop into whatever channel with us!

It's sad how far this game has fallen, and while we still love the game, we're having a lot more fun playing other things together lately. If any of you want to have a few games of Paragon, you're welcome to friend me (game name is Naitachal).

@Sypher Good luck with emp!

Morozov

Zheg wrote: »

As to the streaming, I don't get it, I never will ... I don't understand why people would want to watch someone else play a game they themselves could be playing. I think a small percentage of them (the people that end up donating hundreds/thousands of dollars) are in need of counseling and emotional help, but then again people will pay obscene amounts of money for front seat tickets to bieber.

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rich.magab14a_ESO

Zheg wrote: »

@xsorus, @frozywozy it's delightful to see you still grasping at the final few remaining straws to your anti-ball tirades. This patch is just further evidence against what you've been claiming the entire time, and if you went to go eat some cake last night you'd realize how clueless you've been. The starter zones were at a stand still in some cases because of the volume of players in one area. A few skills were going out because hey why not, but it's hardly the aoe spamming stack on crown lines you keep spewing over and over. You're wrong, utterly and completely. ESO just can't handle people, it has almost nothing at all to do with whether or not people are in a ball or within 100m of each other.

Xsorus wrote: »

If only Sypher ran with 23 other people... You might like him more *grin*

Let's all be honest here.. You are one of the reasons pvp has developed into the way it has... You decided to Zerg in a giant ball for quite some time now all while saying "it's just one group" and "the game is designed for large scale battles; I'm just playing with out the mechanics are intended" and you have the Balls to give him crap for using a non bugged set that is a risk to your *** play style that's caused countless damage to this game... Please...

You had zero problem lagging this game with your play style and creating the bloody mess that is the zergs in this game... But you're upset a Sypher for posting videos of him blowing up zergs... Or maybe you're just upset that people actually enjoy watching him play and find videos of 24 people zerging to be boring and terrible to watch.

I also said that as someone that plays in a large group, and solo, and in small groups - over the course of a year, the only time I've ever noticed changes in lag during fights is when the volume of players is high. When ball groups can fight other ball groups and not lag, and then someone dense comes in and says "ball groups cause all the lag!" - all I can do is shake my head at how their blind hatred for groups forces them to completely ignore what happens when players all show up at the same keep, don't ball, and it still lags. THAT'S why I had zero problem playing in a large group, because you need them to help spread the map out and push the front lines away from the single fight we have on the map in this patch, and because the game lags when there are raw bodies at a keep and vicinity has negligible effects on lag. Think about it, you've likely never even been in a group of 10 much less a group over 4 people, but you so adamantly insist you're the expert and have a wealth of experience within a large group to argue what happens to lag.

As for the set, no. It's honestly not the main risk for our group. Prox det is. We've adapted and implemented strategies to mitigate or counter it, but a broken set is still a broken set and white knighting it because you think it's actually hurting groups is silly.

There are many here that have played this game for more than 1 year and have seen this pvp work in the beginning with massive amounts of players in one spot. Ball groups that spam healing springs, caltrops and aoes do cause lag. These skills have the most checks in the game and ZOS has even admitted as much. That is one of many reasons why people can no longer stack caltrops anymore. You are correct in saying they do not cause all the lag. The massive amounts people that show up to one fight are just as much of a problem because lets face it they are spamming the same skills that the ball groups do.

leepalmer95

The amount of salt in this thread.

McDonalds would be proud.

Psilent

People are just slow to change; its very easy in an organized group to eat the damage from a Soul-Tether, Proximity Detonation bomb and not have a single person die. All it takes is gearing properly, and having a little bit of situational awareness.

The current game, that is Cyrodiil, has changed from maxing out your primary resource and just grouping with 24 players and spamming AoE abilities without risk. You now need a build that is a bit more defensive and be aware of your surroundings; the days of that lone nightblade not being a threat are over.

The developers have given us tools to deal massive damage and to take massive damage; people just haven't fully let go of the previous play style and embraced them. When these things get brought up in TS I always hear a few people say "Have never even skilled up that skill or that set is awful or nope won't catch me using a health glyph!" These are the same people that I see dying on a consistent basis in Cyrodiil today. Dying in Cyrodiil today very well could mean you will wipe your entire group; dying now has a penalty.

Look at what they changed on the PvE side of things as well; to get top scores in trials you can't die. If you die, you lose 2000 points off your score. The difference between my group having a 30k score and a 38k score this week was we had 4 deaths. In Cyrodiil, you die, you activate Vicious Death and could very well kill several group members, which then could lead to a wipe.

The game has changed from just pure burst to actually making death matter. This is another thing people have wanted in this game for a long time, well now you have it.

Zheg

Psilent wrote: »

People are just slow to change; its very easy in an organized group to eat the damage from a Soul-Tether, Proximity Detonation bomb and not have a single person die. All it takes is gearing properly, and having a little bit of situational awareness.

The current game, that is Cyrodiil, has changed from maxing out your primary resource and just grouping with 24 players and spamming AoE abilities without risk. You now need a build that is a bit more defensive and be aware of your surroundings; the days of that lone nightblade not being a threat are over.

The developers have given us tools to deal massive damage and to take massive damage; people just haven't fully let go of the previous play style and embraced them. When these things get brought up in TS I always hear a few people say "Have never even skilled up that skill or that set is awful or nope won't catch me using a health glyph!" These are the same people that I see dying on a consistent basis in Cyrodiil today. Dying in Cyrodiil today very well could mean you will wipe your entire group; dying now has a penalty.

Look at what they changed on the PvE side of things as well; to get top scores in trials you can't die. If you die, you lose 2000 points off your score. The difference between my group having a 30k score and a 38k score this week was we had 4 deaths. In Cyrodiil, you die, you activate Vicious Death and could very well kill several group members, which then could lead to a wipe.

The game has changed from just pure burst to actually making death matter. This is another thing people have wanted in this game for a long time, well now you have it.

You can make death matter in a bunch of ways though, like rez sickness and timers. Furthering the already high damage numbers from last patch just pushes people to go further into a dps meta. It also exacerbates class imbalances. Whoever can put out the highest burst damage, whoever has the inherent mobility and elusiveness to reposition or escape will be in a monumentally better position than someone trying to heal through the damage as their class defense, or a DK trying to tank the damage.

I played my trollplar last patch to counter the dps meta and people mostly didn't have a clue how to deal with it. This patch just added further limitations on being able to pull a build like that off by punishing mitigation and healing and promoting damage yet again.

I fully agree on the tankiness and higher hp though for group play, when theorycrafting this patch I was adamant people adopt tri stat glyphs.

ThatGuyCameron

Morozov wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

As to the streaming, I don't get it, I never will ... I don't understand why people would want to watch someone else play a game they themselves could be playing. I think a small percentage of them (the people that end up donating hundreds/thousands of dollars) are in need of counseling and emotional help, but then again people will pay obscene amounts of money for front seat tickets to bieber.

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Bingo.

Takes-No-Prisoner

I am shocked at how many peoples in PvP do not use situational awareness to detect threats before they become an issue. For example, I often see folks taking a keep, repair walls but never check for hidden enemies within her walls. Just because the keep flipped in your name does not mean it time to take off the threat radar. In fact it should be on at all times, it IS PvP after all. Anything can happen at moments notice.

I also cannot count on my fingers how many would be Proxy/Tether/VD bombers I eliminated because I stood just 3 body lengths away from the flag.

I agree with what Psilent said. Mind set is moving more towards a middle ground of decent offense yet respectable defensive.

Shunravi

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

I am shocked at how many peoples in PvP do not use situational awareness to detect threats before they become an issue. For example, I often see folks taking a keep, repair walls but never check for hidden enemies within her walls. Just because the keep flipped in your name does not mean it time to take off the threat radar. In fact it should be on at all times, it IS PvP after all. Anything can happen at moments notice.

I also cannot count on my fingers how many would be Proxy/Tether/VD bombers I eliminated because I stood just 3 body lengths away from the flag.

Well, we do have a compendium of nerfs based on catering to people with low situational awareness and a lack of even the slightest interest in learning how the game works...

ToRelax

zZzleepyhead wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

i wanna see the 50 failed attempts between each of these where he pops into grps that are not afk or lagged to death by the servers

ToRelax wrote: »

I don't find these videos particularly interesting... but those comments are awesome.

Ya know it's all fair to dislike Sypher, but is there a legitimate reason? I mean, you're hatin' on a guy who's success has actually sold copies of the game. At what point do you stop and reflect?
He's just a dude who streams and plays the same game you do. If any emotion at all, you should be happy that he inspires players to get better at PvP (this is indisputable). Is it jealousy? Does his fame bother you?
Does he send you 'your momma' jokes every time you log on or something? You can block him, ya know.
If a no-name player posted the same video I doubt there would be as many negative posts.
I mean...the video is titled 'Free AP' not 'still better than u in 2016 montage'

Uhm... any reason to quote me there? >_>

Wollust

10/10 thread, would read again

Ghost-Shot

Sypher wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

yup. and who les the charge on the AP system? oh thats right the OP.

It was so funny the other day when he tried on day 2 to push emp. Literally the first time i saw him say anythimg in zone about pushing map.

immediately 3 players responded omg sypher is posting in zone about objectives.


then he begged Nait to not go ahead of him so he could get emp.

ya. good luck with that crowning. keep trying to change the game mechanics for selfish reasons

but hey you make great videos of literally ALL the cheese in the game at the time

shield stacking. check

mag dk. check

perma dodge rollin. check.

vd. check.

lol. how do followers not see the cheese.

LOL I had double his AP. I called it quits on the emp run after maintaining first place for 4 days.

please...

Sypher wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

yup. and who les the charge on the AP system? oh thats right the OP.

It was so funny the other day when he tried on day 2 to push emp. Literally the first time i saw him say anythimg in zone about pushing map.

immediately 3 players responded omg sypher is posting in zone about objectives.


then he begged Nait to not go ahead of him so he could get emp.

ya. good luck with that crowning. keep trying to change the game mechanics for selfish reasons

but hey you make great videos of literally ALL the cheese in the game at the time

shield stacking. check

mag dk. check

perma dodge rollin. check.

vd. check.

lol. how do followers not see the cheese.

LOL I had double his AP. I called it quits on the emp run after maintaining first place for 4 days.

please...

Glad you didn't deny that you are cheesy, everyone might not respect your play considering you've never been good enough to play a class that wasn't at the top of the meta bandwagon but at least we can respect your honesty. Just be careful too much cheese will clog your arteries buddy.

Too much salt is bad for your health.

Sypher wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

yup. and who les the charge on the AP system? oh thats right the OP.

It was so funny the other day when he tried on day 2 to push emp. Literally the first time i saw him say anythimg in zone about pushing map.

immediately 3 players responded omg sypher is posting in zone about objectives.


then he begged Nait to not go ahead of him so he could get emp.

ya. good luck with that crowning. keep trying to change the game mechanics for selfish reasons

but hey you make great videos of literally ALL the cheese in the game at the time

shield stacking. check

mag dk. check

perma dodge rollin. check.

vd. check.

lol. how do followers not see the cheese.

LOL I had double his AP. I called it quits on the emp run after maintaining first place for 4 days.

please...

Sypher wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

yup. and who les the charge on the AP system? oh thats right the OP.

It was so funny the other day when he tried on day 2 to push emp. Literally the first time i saw him say anythimg in zone about pushing map.

immediately 3 players responded omg sypher is posting in zone about objectives.


then he begged Nait to not go ahead of him so he could get emp.

ya. good luck with that crowning. keep trying to change the game mechanics for selfish reasons

but hey you make great videos of literally ALL the cheese in the game at the time

shield stacking. check

mag dk. check

perma dodge rollin. check.

vd. check.

lol. how do followers not see the cheese.

LOL I had double his AP. I called it quits on the emp run after maintaining first place for 4 days.

please...

Glad you didn't deny that you are cheesy, everyone might not respect your play considering you've never been good enough to play a class that wasn't at the top of the meta bandwagon but at least we can respect your honesty. Just be careful too much cheese will clog your arteries buddy.

Too much salt is bad for your health.

Skill must be bad for your stream and revenue otherwise you'd have it. I'd prefer high blood pressure from "salt" over your cheesy clogged arteries though.

24v1 me bruh

@Sypher Meet me in Bruma for an honorable duel! I must warn you though, my ult regen is OP...

Yolokin_Swagonborn

I don't see why anyone is mad about this. This type of playstyle was predicted by just about everyone. We all knew this would happen. And it did. Hooray.

Crown

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I don't see why anyone is mad about this. This type of playstyle was predicted by just about everyone. We all knew this would happen. And it did. Hooray.

Apparently there are a lot of people mad because I can still make more AP than Sypher. Solo player skills are not the same as AP farming skills. I've said it many times - maybe people will start to understand it ;-)

Shunravi

Crown wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I don't see why anyone is mad about this. This type of playstyle was predicted by just about everyone. We all knew this would happen. And it did. Hooray.

Apparently there are a lot of people mad because I can still make more AP than Sypher. Solo player skills are not the same as AP farming skills. I've said it many times - maybe people will start to understand it ;-)

You'd think so...

Sypher

Crown wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I don't see why anyone is mad about this. This type of playstyle was predicted by just about everyone. We all knew this would happen. And it did. Hooray.

Apparently there are a lot of people mad because I can still make more AP than Sypher. Solo player skills are not the same as AP farming skills. I've said it many times - maybe people will start to understand it ;-)

Can't blame the people for assuming things though.

Half a million AP in 2 hours during off peak hours is definitely a feat, even for an expert at AP farming.

I also never ran across your character, not many battles to be had. We also didn't own any enemy resources and when ours were attacked I went to defend for AP.

I don't want to accuse you publicly, but can't help but feel doubtful. If you can remove my doubts I would be open minded about it.

GRxKnight

Sypher wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I don't see why anyone is mad about this. This type of playstyle was predicted by just about everyone. We all knew this would happen. And it did. Hooray.

Apparently there are a lot of people mad because I can still make more AP than Sypher. Solo player skills are not the same as AP farming skills. I've said it many times - maybe people will start to understand it ;-)

Can't blame the people for assuming things though.

Half a million AP in 2 hours during off peak hours is definitely a feat, even for an expert at AP farming.

I also never ran across your character, not many battles to be had. We also didn't own any enemy resources and when ours were attacked I went to defend for AP.

I don't want to accuse you publicly, but can't help but feel doubtful. If you can remove my doubts I would be open minded about it.

It's the same start you showcased in your video back last campaign with throwing caltrops on a red vs blue...instead of caltrops it's inevitable det and other aoe ranged abilities

Morozov

Crown wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I don't see why anyone is mad about this. This type of playstyle was predicted by just about everyone. We all knew this would happen. And it did. Hooray.

Apparently there are a lot of people mad because I can still make more AP than Sypher. Solo player skills are not the same as AP farming skills. I've said it many times - maybe people will start to understand it ;-)

MATH HARRRD!! HULK SMASH!!!

Sypher

GRxKnight wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I don't see why anyone is mad about this. This type of playstyle was predicted by just about everyone. We all knew this would happen. And it did. Hooray.

Apparently there are a lot of people mad because I can still make more AP than Sypher. Solo player skills are not the same as AP farming skills. I've said it many times - maybe people will start to understand it ;-)

Can't blame the people for assuming things though.

Half a million AP in 2 hours during off peak hours is definitely a feat, even for an expert at AP farming.

I also never ran across your character, not many battles to be had. We also didn't own any enemy resources and when ours were attacked I went to defend for AP.

I don't want to accuse you publicly, but can't help but feel doubtful. If you can remove my doubts I would be open minded about it.

It's the same start you showcased in your video back last campaign with throwing caltrops on a red vs blue...instead of caltrops it's inevitable det and other aoe ranged abilities

With a NB you can at least stay alive longer and stay hidden. I was at all these battles red vs blue, busting zergs and groups left and right. I just never ran across him, ever... like not even once.

250K AP per hour for two hours. Non stop, (Literally no down time at all, I actually took screen shots of every single AP refresh on the leaderboards, not a single refresh was under 10K AP for crown, every single refresh ranged from 10k-30k AP)

Crown said he killed people and defended a resource, at the time we owned no enemy resources, we only had our own, which we defended and he wasn't there (at least not that I know of, there wasn't that many people online).


I'm sorry if I'm coming off aggressive, but I just can't seem to wrap my head around this one.

Zheg

Sypher wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I don't see why anyone is mad about this. This type of playstyle was predicted by just about everyone. We all knew this would happen. And it did. Hooray.

Apparently there are a lot of people mad because I can still make more AP than Sypher. Solo player skills are not the same as AP farming skills. I've said it many times - maybe people will start to understand it ;-)

Can't blame the people for assuming things though.

Half a million AP in 2 hours during off peak hours is definitely a feat, even for an expert at AP farming.

I also never ran across your character, not many battles to be had. We also didn't own any enemy resources and when ours were attacked I went to defend for AP.

I don't want to accuse you publicly, but can't help but feel doubtful. If you can remove my doubts I would be open minded about it.

It's the same start you showcased in your video back last campaign with throwing caltrops on a red vs blue...instead of caltrops it's inevitable det and other aoe ranged abilities

With a NB you can at least stay alive longer and stay hidden. I was at all these battles red vs blue, busting zergs and groups left and right. I just never ran across him, ever... like not even once.

250K AP per hour for two hours. Non stop, (Literally no down time at all, I actually took screen shots of every single AP refresh on the leaderboards, not a single refresh was under 10K AP for crown, every single refresh ranged from 10k-30k AP)

Crown said he killed people and defended a resource, at the time we owned no enemy resources, we only had our own, which we defended and he wasn't there (at least not that I know of, there wasn't that many people online).


I'm sorry if I'm coming off aggressive, but I just can't seem to wrap my head around this one.

Our 'favorite' blue emp is able to make ( /be fed) AP numbers that make crowns AP/hour look like Childs play. Emp system is broken and should be removed, all it does is funnel people to objectives and create tension and drama where there should be none.

I breathe a sigh or relief when I log on and there isn't an active emp - regardless of alliance.

Rune_Relic

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

I don't share in the undiluted hatred of him, but he hasn't really done anything to earn fondness either; for the most part I'm apathetic. When he helps promote poor balance ideas, or says something factually incorrect and then you see it parroted by players, that's when it's an issue. That's hardly the majority of the case, in fact the majority of the time I'd say it's the opposite and he's quite correct. But not always, and sometimes those mistakes end up steering the narrative unfortunately.

As to the streaming, I don't get it, I never will ... I don't understand why people would want to watch someone else play a game they themselves could be playing. I think a small percentage of them (the people that end up donating hundreds/thousands of dollars) are in need of counseling and emotional help, but then again people will pay obscene amounts of money for front seat tickets to bieber.

Most of the 'crap' being talked about isn't so much that he's using the set, because frankly everyone is. I can't speak for anyone else besides myself, but I don't see the relevance of yet another prox+tether+VD video at this point, I just don't. Particularly if we're now on multiple videos from the same person. Sypher has a great deal of skill, but these bombs/this meta is far from skillful so I'm not sure what the point is. Melting people in < 1 second repairing a wall? In what way is that the skillful 1v1 / 1vX play he's built a reputation on? If I wasn't so adamant about playing my healer this patch I'd be running the same thing because that's what the meta is. But I see little reason to celebrate such a disgustingly broken meta, and any time people do so I feel like it sends all of the wrong signals to ww2.

Sypher can talk about wanting aoe caps gone as much as he wants, but when you post vids like this and people cheer them on, I can guarantee that wrobel is giggling while sitting at his desk next to an empty juice box thinking "see? this maybe wasn't the best idea but some players really love it and so many are using it, so it's good enough. Now we don't have to put in actual work in balancing the combat system."

If only Sypher ran with 23 other people... You might like him more *grin*

Let's all be honest here.. You are one of the reasons pvp has developed into the way it has... You decided to Zerg in a giant ball for quite some time now all while saying "it's just one group" and "the game is designed for large scale battles; I'm just playing with out the mechanics are intended" and you have the Balls to give him crap for using a non bugged set that is a risk to your *** play style that's caused countless damage to this game... Please...

You had zero problem lagging this game with your play style and creating the bloody mess that is the zergs in this game... But you're upset a Sypher for posting videos of him blowing up zergs... Or maybe you're just upset that people actually enjoy watching him play and find videos of 24 people zerging to be boring and terrible to watch.

Everyone...Lets just stop and take a step back.
Think about the history.

1st it was tanks that were rooting and tanking any amount of players, building ultimate and then melting them.
ie. Magicka tanks with god mode AoE.
2nd it was healers that were rolling in trains and balls ensuring eternal survival that couldn't be killed.
ie. Healers with god mode AoE.
3rd it is DPS who are now just wiping solo and groups regardless and melting all in their path.
ie Magicka DPS with god mode AoE.

Can you not identify the reoccurring problem ?
Domination has changed, but its always been dominance due to ridiculously OP AoE.

Crown

@Sypher I never defended a resource. I actively stay away from anything that we own so that I'm not sharing AP with anyone.

If you watch CyrHud and see one or two AD siege on an opponent resource that's usually me getting their attention, though taking a resource and being rushed by 20 opponents doesn't work for AP farming. You have to draw them out and kill 2-3 at a time. That's why the corridor from Aleswell to Chalman (and especially around Bleakers) is best for this style, as there are a LOT of places to go down cliffs and force opponents to take fall damage.

As a magicka Templar one BoL heals you to about full, and two ticks of jesus beam kills anyone who follows you down a cliff. You can also cast a ritual (or focus) mid-air so that you take heal ticks as you land and can jesus beam opponents without worrying about healing in some circumstances. I actually started the day just to get some good ShadowPlays of this exact scenario and continued to farm because.. they just kept coming..

Later in the day (such as when we were in a group of 3), there are too many people on to execute this strategy. AP farming strategies depend on the time of day, the number of opponents on, the type of opponents on, and what their motivation is. There's a lot more to it than simply going places and killing things. Again, solo play skills will get you kills, though AP farming strategy will get you AP. When I go full out farming I do it to prove a point, or refine a strategy. The game has gotten to the point where it's just not fun anymore, so I'm not playing as much.

The three camps near Bleakers around 5:45am, then the ones north of Chalman around 6:15am were mine as well. With more opponents showing up I wanted the safety net so that I could be more reckless.

I started the day at 100 and something k, and at the end of the 3 ish hours that I played, I had 129k / hour average per Codex (I think that's the addon that shows it). That's about 400k in three hours - pretty respectable for a Templar, though NB farming in prime conditions can get closer to 180k later in the day (when there are more people online though before the lag sets in around 6-7pm).

Bfish22090

Crown wrote: »

@Sypher I never defended a resource. I actively stay away from anything that we own so that I'm not sharing AP with anyone.

If you watch CyrHud and see one or two AD siege on an opponent resource that's usually me getting their attention, though taking a resource and being rushed by 20 opponents doesn't work for AP farming. You have to draw them out and kill 2-3 at a time. That's why the corridor from Aleswell to Chalman (and especially around Bleakers) is best for this style, as there are a LOT of places to go down cliffs and force opponents to take fall damage.

As a magicka Templar one BoL heals you to about full, and two ticks of jesus beam kills anyone who follows you down a cliff. You can also cast a ritual (or focus) mid-air so that you take heal ticks as you land and can jesus beam opponents without worrying about healing in some circumstances. I actually started the day just to get some good ShadowPlays of this exact scenario and continued to farm because.. they just kept coming..

Later in the day (such as when we were in a group of 3), there are too many people on to execute this strategy. AP farming strategies depend on the time of day, the number of opponents on, the type of opponents on, and what their motivation is. There's a lot more to it than simply going places and killing things. Again, solo play skills will get you kills, though AP farming strategy will get you AP. When I go full out farming I do it to prove a point, or refine a strategy. The game has gotten to the point where it's just not fun anymore, so I'm not playing as much.

The three camps near Bleakers around 5:45am, then the ones north of Chalman around 6:15am were mine as well. With more opponents showing up I wanted the safety net so that I could be more reckless.

I started the day at 100 and something k, and at the end of the 3 ish hours that I played, I had 129k / hour average per Codex (I think that's the addon that shows it). That's about 400k in three hours - pretty respectable for a Templar, though NB farming in prime conditions can get closer to 180k later in the day (when there are more people online though before the lag sets in around 6-7pm).

confirmed. cheater

Crown

Zheg wrote: »

Emp system is broken and should be removed, all it does is funnel people to objectives and create tension and drama where there should be none.

It also makes some people obsess about things, and try to prove that they are "better than you" a lot - though that could be a subset of "drama".

During my AP farming stint there was one DK on the leader board who was waiting in stealth watching 8 opponents just south of BRK. With Retreating on, I rushed past him, proxied, threw a shards, meteor, and started a jesus beam just as the meteor hit and proxy went off. That and the VD explosions killed all 8 of them and netted me about 14k AP. The rest of the day this same DK didn't stop complaining in zone and in whispers about how I'm cheating the AP system.

The lesson he should have learned from that is if you snooze you lose. When farming AP you go for every opportunity. If you stop and wait, you get nothing. If you go in and only kill one or two, then that's more AP than you would have had otherwise. Worst case you waste one minute running back and refine your strategy!

Keep in mind that after killing a few opponents, most will want revenge and will come back to you, often bringing their friends for you to make even more AP off of ;-)

Crown

Bfish22090 wrote: »

confirmed. cheater

Confirmed whingey 13 year old mindset who is unable to understand basic concepts of different play styles.

Maybe instead of watching Sypher stream you should come watch me next time I play. You might learn something.