Eso's core problem

sphane

Thanks for showing prootch crew from inside. Made my day.

Xsorus

After watching that video...I now regret not playing on the Euro Servers

that first group I would of bomb to hell and back.

Cormore

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Ghostbane wrote: »

That scream, did you record our Rarein from a late night session?

ahahahahaha @Cormore

LegendaryChef

Eso community at its best

Etaniel

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

In fairness in one of those clips you guys were zerging a guy down 4v1 first then a bigger zerg showed up. I do agree though its frustrating when a raid chases down 4 people.

I'm sorry, where did we zerg down someone? That guy and his 25 buddies were chasing us for the past 2 mins over a large distance in the middle of nowhere
I'm getting eclipsed the very first second of the clip, there's no way you could believe he ever was alone

Rylana

Etaniel wrote: »

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Ghost-Shot wrote: »

In fairness in one of those clips you guys were zerging a guy down 4v1 first then a bigger zerg showed up. I do agree though its frustrating when a raid chases down 4 people.

I'm sorry, where did we zerg down someone? That guy and his 25 buddies were chasing us for the past 2 mins over a large distance in the middle of nowhere
I'm getting eclipsed the very first second of the clip, there's no way you could believe he ever was alone

I think his point is lost in context here. While I find the video funny, and agree zergblobs chase smallmans too much, your typical smallman 4-6 people will Xv1 a single just like a zerg will. (lord fengrush is notorious for this, denounces large groups all day, but if he runs across you with his five-six guys, and youre alone, youre fighting five-six guys)

Happens all the time. its a reason numbers flood your way, actually. people get sick of groups like yours ganking singles or pairs off the back and just want you out of the way.

Is my surmise anyway, its how I deal with small groups. Just irritates me when I have a group of 16 trying to objective fight vs a larger force, sure enough Kodi or Mojican dives in there trying to cause ruckus. Gotta end that quick so your group trying to take something isnt being squirreled all over the place and getting screwed by the larger force youre actually trying to focus on. You let a guy like that run free on your backline, and the big force youre already fighting just rolls you over. Cant afford it.

its just ingrained in some of the larger groups now. Put a stop to shenanigans so one can focus on the bigger fight.

I like running smallman on occasion myself, and find the same result. Typically I dont engage large groups because of the same result. I mean, youre messing with a 24 man raid, what do you expect to happen? 1 or 2 chase, you 4v1 them down? Every time? Eventually the bitching in TS gets old and raid lead is like "just fricken kill them, im sick of it" So part of the onus is on you poking the bear with a stick really. Just from my perspective on dealing with guys like Kodi and others.

The biggest issue is not enough people run small anymore. We tried very hard to make that happen on Haderus for months, but AD and DC (on Haderus NA mind) kept bringing huge groups so we had to counter it. In the shuffle the smallmans got screwed.

Im with ya, believe me, but I also see the reality of it. Smallman needs a place, badly.

Derra

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Damn those people grouping up past eight in an MMO! How dare they! Who do they think they are!

If i was able to pvp without interacting with those people nobody would have a problem. Sadly even 24 man grps go out of their way to chase two to four players. A******s.


Anyway CU won´t have people grouping up past 8 players in the beginning - so there´s that i guess.

Lava_Croft

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

In fairness in one of those clips you guys were zerging a guy down 4v1 first then a bigger zerg showed up. I do agree though its frustrating when a raid chases down 4 people.

This is basically the gist of it. They have no trouble ganking down loners 4 to 1, but when its 16 vs their 4, the crying ensues.

olsborg

Good video man, good video. The sad part is ZOS is playing that game, they keep nerfing the small scale gameplay with streak, dodge, block, aoe caps etc so the zerg benefits more and more the bigger group they are. Less l2p and more zergroll.

WillhelmBlack

When I encounter even, small scale fights I usually wait on the sideline. If they engage then they get floored, but for the most part I just watch, enjoy, learn. Unfortunately, there's not a lot of people like us that enjoy the combat in this game. The clip with you and Shock being chased is a wonderful example of mindless cowardly greed and also hilarious. Hope they whispered you as well as teabagged.

Vexzarium

The part with just 4 of you minding your business on your mounts... triggering a full prox and chase by a raid... that raid is sad.

Reevster

Whats is more mind boggling is these 3 players going around trying to gank one player, and dont say they wouldn't attack a single player because you know they would.

That large group is doing nothing different then those 3 players would have done against some poor random single player but yet they make a video crying about being attacked in a PvP zone by a larger group, too funny ...really... shakes head.

Why dont all these Zerg haters make videos of them taking out single players with groups of 3 etc. No they wont but yet they do it all day long, hypocrites.

Etaniel

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Ghost-Shot wrote: »

In fairness in one of those clips you guys were zerging a guy down 4v1 first then a bigger zerg showed up. I do agree though its frustrating when a raid chases down 4 people.

This is basically the gist of it. They have no trouble ganking down loners 4 to 1, but when its 16 vs their 4, the crying ensues.

How can you say that with a straight face Kris, you know very well that the groups in the video and the way we play is not comparable.
We usually don't kill soloers whom we respect, ie those who we always see small scaling, or that we haven't seen try hard chasing us with a full raid.
And never EVER have we chased down some poor guy for miles on end, because that is just sad, cancerous, and it encourages more zerging which is precisely what we hate.

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Etaniel wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

In fairness in one of those clips you guys were zerging a guy down 4v1 first then a bigger zerg showed up. I do agree though its frustrating when a raid chases down 4 people.

I'm sorry, where did we zerg down someone? That guy and his 25 buddies were chasing us for the past 2 mins over a large distance in the middle of nowhere
I'm getting eclipsed the very first second of the clip, there's no way you could believe he ever was alone

Is my surmise anyway, its how I deal with small groups. Just irritates me when I have a group of 16 trying to objective fight vs a larger force, sure enough Kodi or Mojican dives in there trying to cause ruckus. Gotta end that quick so your group trying to take something isnt being squirreled all over the place and getting screwed by the larger force youre actually trying to focus on. You let a guy like that run free on your backline, and the big force youre already fighting just rolls you over. Cant afford it.

its just ingrained in some of the larger groups now. Put a stop to shenanigans so one can focus on the bigger fight.

Yeah we were really being a pain in the butt by staying on our mounts in the first clip. You can clearly see the threat.
You won't see me complaining when I get zerged down if I was actively trying to hurt them and be a 1vX hero, tell me where was the large group threat there?

Etaniel

Reevster wrote: »

Whats is more mind boggling is these 3 players going around trying to gank one player, and dont say they wouldn't attack a single player because you know they would.

That large group is doing nothing different then those 3 players would have done against some poor random single player but yet they make a video crying about being attacked in a PvP zone by a larger group, too funny ...really... shakes head.

Why dont all these Zerg haters make videos of them taking out single players with groups of 3 etc. No they wont but yet they do it all day long, hypocrites.

How can you possibly compare a 1v3 to this?????? A lot of players can take on a 1v3, it can be a fair fight if that one guy is good.
What is mind boggling is the people defending the kind of behaviour showcased here, or trying to turn the subject around

WillhelmBlack

I don't think most people get it. Nor do they want to try, I think they'd rather get AP because game reasons rather than actually know what fun it is to go sword against shield with a few other players. Always has to be cheese or OP easy build, no time for fun.

I wish there were a few people left from 1.5 to fight, who knew what fun the combat system in this game has to offer. ZOS don't help with this, they just keep adding more and more easy buttons for raids.

Soft caps, what this game would be with those eh.

Jules

So funny and yet so sad.

KenaPKK

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Etaniel wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Damn those people grouping up past eight in an MMO! How dare they! Who do they think they are!

That point was valid a year ago, not anymore

Ehhh...

I mean, I get you from a practicality standpoint but do this for me: look at all the MMOs and PvP games on the market right now. Out of all of them, there are...what, 3-4 with combat/setting like this? Why on earth would anyone pick ESO to play a small group in?

At this point I'm considering going to play overwatch or something to get my small man kicks in, because a small man game this ain't.

I enjoy small group in a big open world with big groups running around like in ESO. It's part of the challenge that I am attracted to.

Lava_Croft

I really don't see any problem with 4 people trying to gank a loner, just like I see no trouble with a full raid chasing 4 people. Such is simply life in Cyrodiil, crying about it just makes you look a bit silly.

What do you expect those raids to do? Leave you running around? Split off 4 players to 'honorably' chase you down? Small scaling is simply very hard in Cyrodiil, but blaming raids for playing as raids while saying they are the cancer of Cyrodiil just makes you and your friends look like a bunch of complete crybabies that have trouble with getting killed in PvP. I mean that Prootch raid wasn't even a full raid, which means it's at least 75% smaller than his usual 'warband'...

Getting run over by a train is just part of Cyrodiil life. Just like it's part of Cyrodiil life to take your 4-man group and gank loners between keeps. The video and corresponding thread you created are more than enough reason for these raids to keep chasing you down, since the bitter tears are just too good to pass up on.

You probably will be happy once instanced arenas are added to Cyrodiil!

Frawr

Those damned #AOECAPS.

Large groups of mindless button-mashers rolling around devouring anything small enough.

@Rylana you give them too much credit, the thought process is most likely 'red...charge.....'

@Lava_Croft There is a difference between ganking a solo player and taking down the first man in a charging zerg. Let's not equate the 2.

These are purple Minions rather than thinking gamers.

I guess that this is working as intended.

Jules

Honestly. No one would give a fffff about zerging if

1. Lag wasn't a thing
2. Dynamic ulti was a thing


Make those two things true and Zerg to your hearts content.

Derra

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I really don't see any problem with 4 people trying to gank a loner, just like I see no trouble with a full raid chasing 4 people. Such is simply life in Cyrodiil, crying about it just makes you look a bit silly.

What do you expect those raids to do? Leave you running around? Split off 4 players to 'honorably' chase you down? Small scaling is simply very hard in Cyrodiil, but blaming raids for playing as raids while saying they are the cancer of Cyrodiil just makes you and your friends look like a bunch of complete crybabies that have trouble with getting killed in PvP. I mean that Prootch raid wasn't even a full raid, which means it's at least 75% smaller than his usual 'warband'...

Getting run over by a train is just part of Cyrodiil life. Just like it's part of Cyrodiil life to take your 4-man group and gank loners between keeps. The video and corresponding thread you created are more than enough reason for these raids to keep chasing you down, since the bitter tears are just too good to pass up on.

You probably will be happy once instanced arenas are added to Cyrodiil!

It´s quite hard to gank with our grp as we are NEVER running stealthed. 90% of the combat we have is initated by enemies attacking us (with us being outnumbered) because most of the time those are not visible to us in the beginning. The solos we do kill are people that decide to ride through a grp of 2 to 4 enemies visibly blocking their desired path - if that happens to you there is no reason to complain.

And your comment ironically proves our point. If those "tears" are reason to chase down people not bothering you really than you´re just a **** - which was the whole point of the topic. Thanks for pointing that out again.

Ishammael

Jules wrote: »

Honestly. No one would give a fffff about zerging if

1. Lag wasn't a thing
2. Dynamic ulti was a thing


Make those two things true and Zerg to your hearts content.

Zose, please!!!!

_Chaos

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Jules wrote: »

Honestly. No one would give a fffff about zerging if

1. Lag wasn't a thing
2. Dynamic ulti was a thing


Make those two things true and Zerg to your hearts content.

Zose, please!!!!

Really guys? With Prox+VD you're still complaining about Dynamic Ult? Did you forget to put points into Combat Frenzy?

Ishammael

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

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Ishammael wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Honestly. No one would give a fffff about zerging if

1. Lag wasn't a thing
2. Dynamic ulti was a thing


Make those two things true and Zerg to your hearts content.

Zose, please!!!!

Really guys? With Prox+VD you're still complaining about Dynamic Ult? Did you forget to put points into Combat Frenzy?

I would rather they delete that set and that skill. Dynamic Ultimate was the #1 tool for fighting outnumbered -- and it required risk to accomplish.

VD+prox det is just stupid and mind-numbing.

Etaniel

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

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Ishammael wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Honestly. No one would give a fffff about zerging if

1. Lag wasn't a thing
2. Dynamic ulti was a thing


Make those two things true and Zerg to your hearts content.

Zose, please!!!!

Really guys? With Prox+VD you're still complaining about Dynamic Ult? Did you forget to put points into Combat Frenzy?

One shot mechanics are a lazy design

_Chaos

Oh I'm with you guys 100%, I'd much rather dynamic ult back. But dynamic ult while these other huge combos are available would be crushing, I haven't had ulti issues at all this patch.

Derra

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Oh I'm with you guys 100%, I'd much rather dynamic ult back. But dynamic ult while these other huge combos are available would be crushing, I haven't had ulti issues at all this patch.

I´d love to see proxy (detonation in general) and VD removed from the game along with shieldbreaker, stackable shields, aoe caps and static ult gain.

Reevster

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I really don't see any problem with 4 people trying to gank a loner, just like I see no trouble with a full raid chasing 4 people. Such is simply life in Cyrodiil, crying about it just makes you look a bit silly.

What do you expect those raids to do? Leave you running around? Split off 4 players to 'honorably' chase you down? Small scaling is simply very hard in Cyrodiil, but blaming raids for playing as raids while saying they are the cancer of Cyrodiil just makes you and your friends look like a bunch of complete crybabies that have trouble with getting killed in PvP. I mean that Prootch raid wasn't even a full raid, which means it's at least 75% smaller than his usual 'warband'...

Getting run over by a train is just part of Cyrodiil life. Just like it's part of Cyrodiil life to take your 4-man group and gank loners between keeps. The video and corresponding thread you created are more than enough reason for these raids to keep chasing you down, since the bitter tears are just too good to pass up on.

You probably will be happy once instanced arenas are added to Cyrodiil!

I completely agree with this.

Which is why I don't understand these players making these videos/posts, seriously , man up and "Run" just like you did in the video, which is what a single player has to do when a group or 3 or 4 jumps him, well if he lives long enough to run that is.

Kilandros

Jules wrote: »

Honestly. No one would give a fffff about zerging if

1. Lag wasn't a thing
2. Dynamic ulti was a thing


Make those two things true and Zerg to your hearts content.

ZOS PLEASE

Frawr

I feel as though they are making gimmick sets instead of removing the caps because they cannot monetise systems improvements.

That said, this gear is free regardless of buying the update or not.

So, they just made the game that little bit more cheesy...