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How can you say that with a straight face Kris, you know very well that the groups in the video and the way we play is not comparable.
We usually don't kill soloers whom we respect, ie those who we always see small scaling, or that we haven't seen try hard chasing us with a full raid.
And never EVER have we chased down some poor guy for miles on end, because that is just sad, cancerous, and it encourages more zerging which is precisely what we hate.
Because Kris has a consistent posting history of being able to comprehend perspective (s)he does not adhere to. OK, so you do kill soloers you respect. What about the vast majority you don't make such special allowances for? You're a good player and I'l gather many of the players who zerg you down and t-bag have wound up on your kill counter one too many times so they are going to go out of their way to do the same to you. It doesn't matter if it's a false "accomplishment." You constantly deride these people, claim they suck and ruin the game, and have no respect, so you honestly expect them to leave you be?
Also what Ghost and Rylana says makes 100% sense and happens every night. Maybe your group doesn't care that much about objectives, map control, and campaign score, but there are those that do. Or maybe they are simply motivated to win by just saving the keep. When there is 20 enemy siege on Alessia, every second matters and if a skilled 4 man is ganking the backline, the raid just cant send a rez templar to deal with the situation while the rest continue to Alessia. It is most efficient not to underestimate the gankers, completely end the threat/situation quickly, and then proceed to the objective. The irony is that if the raid leader is objective focused, she is most likely yelling in Teamspeak to ignore gankers and small groups.
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I've spent more of my ESO time alone in PvP, while experimenting with larger & small groups a month or two before leaving. I've been solo and chased / run over by both full raids and "small-scale" groups alike. There have also been moments where a small group I'm running ends up tagging down one target, it just happens.
We try to justify it by claiming chaotic battle conditions, sometimes the line gets blurry for everyone involved. If we were holding up a resource and one person enters the area, we send one person to tag him. If multiple enemy players enter the location we all jump in, or that's how we tried to play at least.
24 chasing 4, or 4 good players chasing 1; what difference does it make. Solo and small group players needed their own content months ago (at launch actually). Arena and battleground type content, IC could have been something great with the right dev team. It's pretty clear Cyrodiil is for large scale objective based groups (even though lag renders the only campaigns left unplayable at prime-time). If you want to solo roam or small group roam Cyrodiil do so with that in mind, but we should have had our own content to fall back on a long time ago.
Being forced into laggy and zergy Cyrodiil sucks for a solo or small group minded player, especially with performance degrading every patch. Not to mention ZOS actively nerfing tools that small players used to survive etc, to hand hold noobs that aren't interested in learning anything.The Age of Wrobel.2 -
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I´d love to see proxy (detonation in general) and VD removed from the game along with shieldbreaker, stackable shields, aoe caps and static ult gain.
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✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »
Because Kris has a consistent posting history of being able to comprehend perspective (s)he does not adhere to. OK, so you do kill soloers you respect. What about the vast majority you don't make such special allowances for? You're a good player and I'l gather many of the players who zerg you down and t-bag have wound up on your kill counter one too many times so they are going to go out of their way to do the same to you. It doesn't matter if it's a false "accomplishment." You constantly deride these people, claim they suck and ruin the game, and have no respect, so you honestly expect them to leave you be?
Also what Ghost and Rylana says makes 100% sense and happens every night. Maybe your group doesn't care that much about objectives, map control, and campaign score, but there are those that do. Or maybe they are simply motivated to win by just saving the keep. When there is 20 enemy siege on Alessia, every second matters and if a skilled 4 man is ganking the backline, the raid just cant send a rez templar to deal with the situation while the rest continue to Alessia. It is most efficient not to underestimate the gankers, completely end the threat/situation quickly, and then proceed to the objective. The irony is that if the raid leader is objective focused, she is most likely yelling in Teamspeak to ignore gankers and small groups.
This video isn't about poking raids and complaining, it's about minding your own business and getting chased far into the wild because reasons.
But the fact that people in here are justifying 24 men raids chasing down 2 people far from any objectives tells me there is absolutely zero hope that this community will get better any time soon.3 -
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✭✭God_flakes wrote: »OP, what campaign was this in and what were some of the names of the Ad scum?
no campaign in particular, we moved around a lot before quitting we move around a lot. EU serverEdited by Etaniel on March 29, 2016 4:08PM1 -
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✭✭They could make IC into something incredible for 4 player groups, something like capture a precinct or segment of sewer. Have 16 per alliance, 4 groups of 4. Choose your 3 pals to join you, queue up, get in. You logout, then your team leaves and another team replaces you. They could put in awesome sets like Spell Power Cure etc. I'd continue my sub for that but it won't happen.PC EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »They could make IC into something incredible for 4 player groups, something like capture a precinct or segment of sewer. Have 16 per alliance, 4 groups of 4. Choose your 3 pals to join you, queue up, get in. You logout, then your team leaves and another team replaces you. They could put in awesome sets like Spell Power Cure etc. I'd continue my sub for that but it won't happen.
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✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »
Because Kris has a consistent posting history of being able to comprehend perspective (s)he does not adhere to. OK, so you do kill soloers you respect. What about the vast majority you don't make such special allowances for? You're a good player and I'l gather many of the players who zerg you down and t-bag have wound up on your kill counter one too many times so they are going to go out of their way to do the same to you. It doesn't matter if it's a false "accomplishment." You constantly deride these people, claim they suck and ruin the game, and have no respect, so you honestly expect them to leave you be?
Also what Ghost and Rylana says makes 100% sense and happens every night. Maybe your group doesn't care that much about objectives, map control, and campaign score, but there are those that do. Or maybe they are simply motivated to win by just saving the keep. When there is 20 enemy siege on Alessia, every second matters and if a skilled 4 man is ganking the backline, the raid just cant send a rez templar to deal with the situation while the rest continue to Alessia. It is most efficient not to underestimate the gankers, completely end the threat/situation quickly, and then proceed to the objective. The irony is that if the raid leader is objective focused, she is most likely yelling in Teamspeak to ignore gankers and small groups.
We never chase or purposefully harass people with our grp. We go somewhere (where hopefully no raids show up) and fight.
We don´t gank. That´s where his and your logic are flawed. We don´t interact with raids if we can avoid it (and nobody complains when they die in a keepfight).
People dying to us do so because they chose the fight and lost.Edited by Derra on March 29, 2016 4:19PM<Noricum>
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This video isn't about poking raids and complaining, it's about minding your own business and getting chased far into the wild because reasons.
But the fact that people in here are justifying 24 men raids chasing down 2 people far from any objectives tells me there is absolutely zero hope that this community will get better any time soon.
You are doing more than minding your own business. You are insulting other players. In public. Deriding them. Calling their behavior cancerous. Others have done worse, called them (as opposed to their behavior) scum. You may dismiss those as "reasons" for getting chased into the wild a t-bagged, but it's hardly surprising.
And how exactly are those people not a member of this gentleman's club that is not afforded the respect and get ambushed and insta-killed by small man group while they are alone? We are all people with egos and emotions that govern our decisions, often made on the basis of passion in an instant, rather than on sense with reflection.
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✭Joy_Division wrote: »
You are doing more than minding your own business. You are insulting other players. In public. Deriding them. Calling their behavior cancerous. Others have done worse, called them (as opposed to their behavior) scum. You may dismiss those as "reasons" for getting chased into the wild a t-bagged, but it's hardly surprising.
And how exactly are those people not a member of this gentleman's club that is not afforded the respect and get ambushed and insta-killed by small man group while they are alone? We are all people with egos and emotions that govern our decisions, often made on the basis of passion in an instant, rather than on sense with reflection.
To understand is not the same as to justify.
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✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »
You are doing more than minding your own business. You are insulting other players. In public. Deriding them. Calling their behavior cancerous. Others have done worse, called them (as opposed to their behavior) scum. You may dismiss those as "reasons" for getting chased into the wild a t-bagged, but it's hardly surprising.
And how exactly are those people not a member of this gentleman's club that is not afforded the respect and get ambushed and insta-killed by small man group while they are alone? We are all people with egos and emotions that govern our decisions, often made on the basis of passion in an instant, rather than on sense with reflection.
To understand is not the same as to justify.
Joy, EP do this to me when I'm riding on my own in Cyrodiil or with a small group farming in IC. I doubt they know me or even Etaniel and crew tbh. I'll bump into them, I'll stay mounted or still, then every single one of them will either Spambush or overload light attack me till eventually I die. They are cancer, in every sense of the word and they aren't ashamed of it either, they seem genuinely really ****ing proud of themselves whilst doing all their emotes and teabagging over my characters dead body.PC EU0 -
Jaybe_Mawfaka✭✭✭✭✭spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
Really guys? With Prox+VD you're still complaining about Dynamic Ult? Did you forget to put points into Combat Frenzy?
Say it again to my stamina dk. Or to any other stamina user man, onesided balance op.
So Sad that half of the ppl missed the point of this video, not surprised though, people are playing for ap this days anyway, so 15-40 ppl chasing 2-4 is a normal situation. "It's Life of a cyro guys, deal with it" for sureEdited by Jaybe_Mawfaka on March 29, 2016 5:29PM0 -
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✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »
You are doing more than minding your own business. You are insulting other players. In public. Deriding them. Calling their behavior cancerous. Others have done worse, called them (as opposed to their behavior) scum. You may dismiss those as "reasons" for getting chased into the wild a t-bagged, but it's hardly surprising.
And how exactly are those people not a member of this gentleman's club that is not afforded the respect and get ambushed and insta-killed by small man group while they are alone? We are all people with egos and emotions that govern our decisions, often made on the basis of passion in an instant, rather than on sense with reflection.
To understand is not the same as to justify.
I don't have Sypher levels of fame, the vast majority of people in the game have never heard of me, and that's even more true when I'm running on my alt. The vast majority of players don't check the eso forums either so there is no way this is the result of me "insulting" them.
"Ambushed and insta-killed". So you're one of those player that thinks the game is either played in a 24 man raid or from the shadows as a oneshot ganker. Well you're wrong, and I invite you to watch some of my vids to see how our group handles things. It definitely doesn't count as ganking (95% of the time).
So how does someone earn my respect? When I'm fighing an outnumbered situation, and I see one enemy on the side watching, I remember his name, because that guy chose not to be a d*ck and it tells me he appreciates PvP and doesn't see me as another bag of AP, and I'll make sure to return the favor when we cross paths again.
That doesn't mean the people who were fighting me were d*cks, it just means that this particular guy earned my respect.
On the other hand, I will have no pity for people who throw all their ultimates in my face when I'm already in a 1v10 that I already have no chance of winning.
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I don't have Sypher levels of fame, the vast majority of people in the game have never heard of me, and that's even more true when I'm running on my alt. The vast majority of players don't check the eso forums either so there is no way this is the result of me "insulting" them.
"Ambushed and insta-killed". So you're one of those player that thinks the game is either played in a 24 man raid or from the shadows as a oneshot ganker. Well you're wrong, and I invite you to watch some of my vids to see how our group handles things. It definitely doesn't count as ganking (95% of the time).
So how does someone earn my respect? When I'm fighing an outnumbered situation, and I see one enemy on the side watching, I remember his name, because that guy chose not to be a d*ck and it tells me he appreciates PvP and doesn't see me as another bag of AP, and I'll make sure to return the favor when we cross paths again.
That doesn't mean the people who were fighting me were d*cks, it just means that this particular guy earned my respect.
On the other hand, I will have no pity for people who throw all their ultimates in my face when I'm already in a 1v10 that I already have no chance of winning.
I am that guy. the one that stands to the side, because ive been there, ive been that one guy trying to fight off 4, 5, 6 with more coming. Id give ya references but most people here know I dont lie about my in game activities. I talk a lot of trash but I never lie. Hell the last time I was on (a few days, my internets been screwed up all week) i watched a 2 man gank party get annihilated by 10 other EP, and i just hopped around on my horse because I thought it was idiotic.
I play both sides of this field. on AD and DC I play solo or with a handful of guys. Im used to seeing things exactly like in your video, im used to being the victim of that. But I also know I will gleefully jump into that zerg and get kills if I can, I will kill those guys if i can catch them out solo, just like you would. I also know how dangerous, as a raid lead in EP, that can be when youve got a bunch of folks that are easily distracted by Chief, Kodi, Jedi, and the like, and just cant help themselves but get drawn off to the slaughter. To put a stop to it, you just eliminate the issue entirely, show of force. Never know how many there even are. The Quietus crew used to be very good at this strat. See one or two, so you send 2 guys or something. theres six more behind a rock waiting in stealth, so now you lost 2 guys to eight, and now the whole damn raid is probably gonna have to go back to get them, because they arent exactly a small group anymore back there.
You keep attacking my point when what I am trying to say is the reason raids do this is because of small groups playing poke the bear.
i never said you were. I said large groups have learned its better to just take out the problem than let it fester and cause the weaker in the group to just get farmed off the backline over and over pissing the rest of the raid off.
You might not realize it, but I am actually on your side in this fight. I WANT small scale fighting to be a reality. Unfortunately what we always see is the smallman unable to find another smallman, so they either feast on singles or have to poke at raids. God knows when I run on AD or DC i find myself blobbed down by 20 man EP groups all the time, sometimes MY OWN GUILD. Why? because im annoying them. >_> because they know if they dont kill me im gonna kill some of them, probably several. I yearn for and miss the days when 4-6 man groups could routinely find other 4-6 man groups randomly and just duke it out on a resource. Those days are long gone.
And thats where the problem comes from. Pickings are slim for the smallman.Edited by Rylana on March 29, 2016 6:09PM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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I'm sorry, where did we zerg down someone? That guy and his 25 buddies were chasing us for the past 2 mins over a large distance in the middle of nowhere
I'm getting eclipsed the very first second of the clip, there's no way you could believe he ever was alone
Probably just a matter of perspective in the recording, since I wasn't there I obviously can't say what was going on before you engaged but the way it comes across in the video is 4 of jumping on that one guy then a zerg coming around the rock.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »
Joy, EP do this to me when I'm riding on my own in Cyrodiil or with a small group farming in IC. I doubt they know me or even Etaniel and crew tbh. I'll bump into them, I'll stay mounted or still, then every single one of them will either Spambush or overload light attack me till eventually I die. They are cancer, in every sense of the word and they aren't ashamed of it either, they seem genuinely really ****ing proud of themselves whilst doing all their emotes and teabagging over my characters dead body.
I don't know what to tell you. I have the feeling that nothing I say will satisfactory give you or Derra or the OP or the person who mocked me as an amateur psychologist insight into why this happens.
I think in general people have way to high expectations of what to expect from others in a videogame. The level of social responsibility in the sense of a community that actually has to live and interact on face to face basis here is almost nil. If I am by myself and bump into 6 enemies, I expect all 6 to open up on me, chase me, and for some of them to drop meteors. And why shouldn't they? It is the object of PvP and I'm just AP to the vast majority of people in this game. I most certainly will adopt an aggressive posture if sighted and will do my damnest to either escape or take them down with me so I don't particularly blame them for going all out against me. So I just rez and not take it personally. It happens. Not a big deal in my mind. I don't judge them as being bad people.
It's different when it comes to gratuitous t-bags. The only thing I saw objectionable in the OP was at the very end when the AD who were part of that horde that did nothing noteworthy decided to feel good about themselves and drop some t-bags. It's crap I see every night on the NA server and much of it stems from a personal history of of dislike, perceived slights, and rage tells between the players. If you are getting T-bagged by random people who have no clue who you are, yeah, it sucks big time. *That* is a cancer that deserves to be mocked, exposed, and ruthlessly ridiculed. It is not comparable to getting chased down by a raid. T-bagging is offensive and insulting behavior, something different from legal but poor sportsmanship.
I don't think if ZoS got rid of the lag or opened up a 1.5 server or removed AoE caps or balanced the classes that it would eliminate what the OP identified as the core problem is ESO, namely players taking full advantage of a far superior position to defeat opposing players. Go ahead and mock me as amateur psychologist because I see how egos and emotions drive anonymous players to take full advantage of any edge against the vast majority of the player base they have zero regard for, "PuGs," to be mocked for allowing themselves to strung along and away from Arrius Lumbermill or Bleakers Outposts and dissected piecemeal by small man groups and organized raid alike. So I'm not surprised when people chase and ulti bomb me and I can't say I don't blame them. But that's just my opinion and I don't take such behavior personally or as an affront.
As long as I'm not in the situation that you described, t-bag by people proud for an empty accomplishment, it's fine and I hit the rez button.Edited by Joy_Division on March 29, 2016 6:26PM1 -
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I don't have Sypher levels of fame, the vast majority of people in the game have never heard of me, and that's even more true when I'm running on my alt. The vast majority of players don't check the eso forums either so there is no way this is the result of me "insulting" them.
"Ambushed and insta-killed". So you're one of those player that thinks the game is either played in a 24 man raid or from the shadows as a oneshot ganker. Well you're wrong, and I invite you to watch some of my vids to see how our group handles things. It definitely doesn't count as ganking (95% of the time).
So how does someone earn my respect? When I'm fighing an outnumbered situation, and I see one enemy on the side watching, I remember his name, because that guy chose not to be a d*ck and it tells me he appreciates PvP and doesn't see me as another bag of AP, and I'll make sure to return the favor when we cross paths again.
That doesn't mean the people who were fighting me were d*cks, it just means that this particular guy earned my respect.
On the other hand, I will have no pity for people who throw all their ultimates in my face when I'm already in a 1v10 that I already have no chance of winning.
I feel like you have blinders on here man. Of course not everyone reads the forums but there are plenty who do and will have seen all the blind insults you throw around. To say that players who play in a 24 man raid are bad and cancerous is idiotic and I'm sorry but all it does is make you look like an ass hole, now don't get me wrong here, I actually like you and I think what you and your group can pull off is very impressive however while you say all this *** about people who play in raids, I think the true "cancerous behavior" in this game is the hate and hostility that comes from players like you and Derra. I know that sounds like I'm being a *** but I honestly don't mean to be disrespectful here I just feel like you need to see this from other perspectives. Sure some of these groups are mindless zergs but whats so wrong with that? What if those are new players trying to learn how pvp works and just joining a group while learning the ropes? Cut them some slack, if you get ran over whatever, res and go back or find a new spot but remember that if you keep hitting a raids back line, eventually that raid lead is going say *** it lets get a new clip for the Xv1 video.2 -
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As a small man we were known to the point that DiE used to chase us down and kill us on sight. That's not cancer, that's a sign of respect. If you're smart you come to an understanding like we used to have with Sypher: if you hit our back line we will chase you down until you're dead, otherwise we won't attack you.
As a raid lead, I can say that a large part of chasing down 1s and 2s is teaching them to avoid us and to keep my raid moving in one direction. If I'm constantly getting AD or EP players hovering around my line, pulling off players and such, eventually I'll just call a hunt and exterminate every living thing so I can move on in peace.
This patch hasn't helped at all tho. Now every random player wants to try to dive bomb your group
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✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »
I don't know what to tell you. I have the feeling that nothing I say will satisfactory give you or Derra or the OP or the person who mocked me as an amateur psychologist insight into why this happens.
I think in general people have way to high expectations of what to expect from others in a videogame.
Ok, you asked for it, I'm gonna pull out my DAoC card, a game in which (in my experience, and I'm sure it's the same for most people who played it) people running in 8 man groups didn't add on existing 8v8 fights, and only picked on groups their size. But that was a long time ago, when people valued each other and worked together for a healthy PvP environment. I guess I have too high expectations for today's generation where the vast majority wants instant gratification and is extremely selfish.Sounds like you are bitching because you got killed. Guess what, it's pvp, it happens.
I guess you didn't turn on the sound, because you can clearly hear us laughingI've been on both sides of this.
As a small man we were known to the point that DiE used to chase us down and kill us on sight. That's not cancer, that's a sign of respect. If you're smart you come to an understanding like we used to have with Sypher: if you hit our back line we will chase you down until you're dead, otherwise we won't attack you.
And that is totally acceptable of course ! I'm bitching about groups that we avoid who go out of their way, far from their precious objectives, to chase us down, it's not the same.
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Ok, you asked for it, I'm gonna pull out my DAoC card, a game in which (in my experience, and I'm sure it's the same for most people who played it) people running in 8 man groups didn't add on existing 8v8 fights, and only picked on groups their size. But that was a long time ago, when people valued each other and worked together for a healthy PvP environment. I guess I have too high expectations for today's generation where the vast majority wants instant gratification and is extremely selfish.
There is no easy way to prove whether they way I or you see behavior is more accurate.
It is my opinion that you hold a nostalgic view of DAoC as it is filled with a common refrain I hear from nostalgic musings "a long time ago, when people valued X and worked together for a healthy X." I am not inclined to believe that established patterns of human behavior are easily changed. The history of competition is filled with corruption, cheating, people looking to bend and twist the rules, acts of deliberate physical violence and psychological assaults against opponents, and do anything within their means to win or feel good about themselves. You probably think I hold an overly cynical view. Maybe. Actually more than that. I do. But it is consistent with other venues of competition.
At the same time DAoC was a thing, people were playing shooters like Medal of Honor with wall hacks that allowed you to see opposing players from behind buildings and doors. I never played DAoC so I won't make a definitive judgment about that community, but it would take a fair bit of evidence to convince me the behavior in that game was fundamentally different. If people want to say that smaller groups and a better balanced combat system act as a sort of preventative measure that limits that sort of nonsense, I'd buy that. But that is way different than people valuing sportsmanship and I'd guarantee a group a six would still stealth ambush me, all by myself, and have no problem dropping meteors on me.
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I don't know what to tell you. I have the feeling that nothing I say will satisfactory give you or Derra or the OP or the person who mocked me as an amateur psychologist insight into why this happens.
I think in general people have way to high expectations of what to expect from others in a videogame. The level of social responsibility in the sense of a community...
I think that´s wrong. Open world and large scale pvp lives of their community. If all you can expect from enemies is to be viewed as a walking ap piniata that has to be belittled after you slaughtered him without a fighting chance the community has a problem.
You also don´t have to give insight why this happens - that´s crystalclear. It´s just not healthy for the game environment in general. Imho mainly a problem of the games grpsize. 23 people knowing where you fight their 24th man simply by opening the map is cr*p.
So much of this games issues would never have existed if it had limited grpsize in pvp.I want to say that a good chunk of the NA PvP guilds like VE for example, do not go out of their way to kill small groups or solo players unless the small group / solo player attacks them first.
These EU PVP raids seem ruthless xD
That´s the main issue. We avoid if we can. But some raids actively hunt open field with 16+ ppl for smallscalers and solo players.Edited by Derra on March 29, 2016 8:46PM<Noricum>
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✭✭I want to say that a good chunk of the NA PvP guilds like VE for example, do not go out of their way to kill small groups or solo players unless the small group / solo player attacks them first.
These EU PVP raids seem ruthless xD
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I think that´s wrong. Open world and large scale pvp lives of their community. If all you can expect from enemies is to be viewed as a walking ap piniata that has to be belittled after you slaughtered him without a fighting chance the community has a problem.
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I did not say that. I was pretty clear in saying that such gratuitous act are deserving of contempt. I expect to be zerged down and ulti-bombed. It's fine. Not a big deal. It's PvP, I am an enemy and a threat. Maybe those people just got tired of being in more skilled player's 1vX videos. I don't take it personally and I won't judge them as people. T-bagging me after? That's something totally different and I most certainly do not expect it and certainly will not forget it.
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✭✭✭✭✭I've been on both sides of this.
As a small man we were known to the point that DiE used to chase us down and kill us on sight. That's not cancer, that's a sign of respect. If you're smart you come to an understanding like we used to have with Sypher: if you hit our back line we will chase you down until you're dead, otherwise we won't attack you.
As a raid lead, I can say that a large part of chasing down 1s and 2s is teaching them to avoid us and to keep my raid moving in one direction. If I'm constantly getting AD or EP players hovering around my line, pulling off players and such, eventually I'll just call a hunt and exterminate every living thing so I can move on in peace.
This patch hasn't helped at all tho. Now every random player wants to try to dive bomb your group
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✭Lava_Croft wrote: »This is basically the gist of it. They have no trouble ganking down loners 4 to 1, but when its 16 vs their 4, the crying ensues.
i called Fengrush out on that. His response was only against certain players lol. they do same crap.
At the end of the day AP is AP.
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