Normal v16 Maw Loot Drops?

Dunkmeister

Was running a couple v16 normal runs back to back with my friends and noticed most of the raid got nothing from the last boss and several boss chests on the second run. Except for the new people who came in on the second run, they got loot but rest of us didn't. I wondered if Trial loot is on a timer, much like delve bosses in Abah's Landing. Anyone else notice this or is it just bad RNG?

Valrien

Perhaps a combination of both? I wouldn't be surprised if there was a loot timer, since ZOS discourages grinding while simultaneously forcing us to grind.

Psilent

I believe there is a 20 or 24 hour timer on loot for Maw.

Dunkmeister

Psilent wrote: »

I believe there is a 20 or 24 hour timer on loot for Maw.

If that's the case, that's ridiculous for a trial and needs to be changed.

The whole point of running trials is for gear. Good lord, don't they have enough problems getting people to run trials, they really feel the need to have to do this crap? Smh.

Dunkmeister

Did two normal full runs on v16 yesterday. One in the afternoon and one in the evening and I only got soul gems, gold and a couple one items on all five chests for both runs. Friends who did the same runs with me are getting loot drops. What is going on here?

LadyNalcarya

I dont know, I got 2 vr16 rings of Alcosh in 3 runs the other day. So it doesnt look that its on timer.
But the rng is screwed up in this game, that's for sure.

TotterTates

I got a blue lvl 10 lunar bastion ring last night and several others got Moondancer jewelry.

We did a lvl 10 normal MoL run, it was fantastic

I now have 5 pc Ebon set on my lvl 10! Rockin' them lowbie balls.

Tavore1138

Did 2 runs in one evening - got proper lot on first run and trash on the second - I don't remember this being the case on the old trials.

Dunkmeister

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Did 2 runs in one evening - got proper lot on first run and trash on the second - I don't remember this being the case on the old trials.

Yeah, I dont know if this is a bug or intentional. It doesnt make sense to me to get no loot on a trial, especially from the last boss chest. What a killjoy.

paulsimonps

I really don't believe it is a timer. I have tried waiting to see if I get full loot. No that is not the case. I can see no pattern as of yet.

LadyNalcarya

pcdunkleyub17_ESO wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Did 2 runs in one evening - got proper lot on first run and trash on the second - I don't remember this being the case on the old trials.

Yeah, I dont know if this is a bug or intentional. It doesnt make sense to me to get no loot on a trial, especially from the last boss chest. What a killjoy.

I have an impression that whole loot system is bugged as hell.

Dunkmeister

paulsimonps wrote: »

I really don't believe it is a timer. I have tried waiting to see if I get full loot. No that is not the case. I can see no pattern as of yet.

Me too paulsimonps. I ran a raid Tuesday night, got loot on all chest, then Wednesday afternoon and night ( about 26 hrs later) and no loot at all.

Paulington

To clarify, ZOS confirmed that the loot in Maw of Lorkhaj is week based per character.

Character A runs Normal MOL for the first time ever and they will get loot from every boss, guaranteed. Character A then runs Veteran MOL for the first time ever and will get loot from every boss, guaranteed.

However, from that point on (and for the rest of the week) Character A only has a percentage chance to obtain loot from the bosses. I.e. it is NOT guaranteed but it is possible. I believe this weekly timer resets with maintenance each week but I am not sure, I think @Seiffer can weigh in on that a bit more.

So TL;DR: It is a timer, it's a weekly timer per character.

Dunkmeister

Paulington wrote: »

To clarify, ZOS confirmed that the loot in Maw of Lorkhaj is week based per character.

Character A runs Normal MOL for the first time ever and they will get loot from every boss, guaranteed. Character A then runs Veteran MOL for the first time ever and will get loot from every boss, guaranteed.

However, from that point on (and for the rest of the week) Character A only has a percentage chance to obtain loot from the bosses. I.e. it is NOT guaranteed but it is possible. I believe this weekly timer resets with maintenance each week but I am not sure, I think @Seiffer can weigh in on that a bit more.

So TL;DR: It is a timer, it's a weekly timer per character.

..... if this is true. Just wow. Why in the hell did they think this was a good idea? Smh.

Paulington

I agree @pcdunkleyub17_ESO. When we've been running it multiple times a week since the PTS and I get loot about 25% of the time it really feels like wasted effort. We aren't even being rewarded for the time we put in.

To make it worse, certain gear only drops from certain bosses. So if we need the weapons we need to farm the second boss but we can only do that one a week guaranteed, otherwise we're just repeatedly smashing our face into the grindstone and praying for a drop.

It's such a ridiculously bad idea and feels like a way of artificially extending the content.

LadyNalcarya

Oh wow.
Didnt think they would go that far.
So not only there's rng for drops, you can even farm it reliably? That's one of the worst rng systems I've ever heard of (well, except p2w rng boxes in f2p games).

jbcrocks

Thank you for clarifying this. Now I have a reason not to sub or buy this.

code65536

Paulington wrote: »

To clarify, ZOS confirmed that the loot in Maw of Lorkhaj is week based per character.

Character A runs Normal MOL for the first time ever and they will get loot from every boss, guaranteed. Character A then runs Veteran MOL for the first time ever and will get loot from every boss, guaranteed.

However, from that point on (and for the rest of the week) Character A only has a percentage chance to obtain loot from the bosses. I.e. it is NOT guaranteed but it is possible. I believe this weekly timer resets with maintenance each week but I am not sure, I think @Seiffer can weigh in on that a bit more.

So TL;DR: It is a timer, it's a weekly timer per character.

It's probably a week from the last time you ran it. We had a series of farming runs of nMoL where we'd bring a new character each run. My DK hadn't done it in over a week, and got loot all the time. My NB ran it this past weekend, before the maintenance, and only got white decon trash.

Mojmir

#millionreasonstoNOTplay

The_Great_Maldini

I think the main point is that it punishes people who don't play ALTs. People with ALTs can farm a bunch of gear per week, by those of us who focus on a single character will not.

LadyNalcarya

Mojmir wrote: »

#millionreasonstoNOTplay

Exactly.
Making raid content less rewarding than mob grind is just ridiculous. Of course, normal Maw is easy, but its still one step more difficult than running in circles and aoeing. They really should reconsider their loot system to actually encourage people to play.
@ZOS_GinaBruno , is it the case with veteran version of MoL as well?

Dunkmeister

The more I think about this, the more upset I get. Why is it okay with zos to let players stack the leaderboards with alts for gold top end gear and they feel the need to cap the loot in the actual raid itself?

Xjcon

pcdunkleyub17_ESO wrote: »

The more I think about this, the more upset I get. Why is it okay with zos to let players stack the leaderboards with alts for gold top end gear and they feel the need to cap the loot in the actual raid itself?

Good question.

LadyNalcarya

I wonder if there's a simular timer on vMA weapons...

code65536

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

is it the case with veteran version of MoL as well?

Unfortunately, yes. (Well, at least for two boss-like loot opportunities.)

Contraptions

Is it true that there is a one week loot timer on boss drops? Why would they even put something like that in?

Shadzilla

Paulington wrote: »

To clarify, ZOS confirmed that the loot in Maw of Lorkhaj is week based per character.

Character A runs Normal MOL for the first time ever and they will get loot from every boss, guaranteed. Character A then runs Veteran MOL for the first time ever and will get loot from every boss, guaranteed.

However, from that point on (and for the rest of the week) Character A only has a percentage chance to obtain loot from the bosses. I.e. it is NOT guaranteed but it is possible. I believe this weekly timer resets with maintenance each week but I am not sure, I think @Seiffer can weigh in on that a bit more.

So TL;DR: It is a timer, it's a weekly timer per character.

Where did zos confirm this? I know its pretty well known around the community. I really want to see actual info posted about these weekly timers or percentage drops... Checked all patch notes, didnt find anything.

code65536

Does anyone know if the reset is one week from the previous run? Or if it resets at a set time? (1200 UTC on Mondays--same time as the weeklies?)