ArchMikem wrote: »

The first time I decided to try going into Cyrodiil, I was level 30-something, and I very quickly learned I was leagues out of my depth and hopelessly useless. So I just as quickly left, and never went back.

I'm a Veteran 10 now. And I decided to go back in thinking I could hold my own in case an errant player tries to assert their dominance.

I join a campaign, I get into Cyrodiil, and I decide to start off picking up an old quest I had started way back on my first foray in. Time to travel to Bruma! So I mount my Lioness, hop the wall and start the very, VERY long trek half way across the map to Bruma. When I finally get there, a Dark Anchor is active, and Dremora are everywhere. The paranoid bugger I am, I go hidden and sneak my way into town. Of course I fail miserably as a Dremora here and a Skeleton there spot me and I have to put them down.

Then I see it. It's a glimpse. A yellow icon over a moving figure.

I damn near sh*t my pants. And then as I near the anchor it gets worse. Blue icons. A couple of Vet16 DC players are doing the anchor. Now don't misunderstand, this is at 4AM Pacific time. I had believed I wouldn't see a single person. But here I was hiding from two DC veterans, who then find and murder the lone AD player I saw earlier.

Finally I found my chance to get to the quest marker, thinking they've gone. I go into this building, find the NPC, do a thing here and there. And when I go back to turn in the quest, there's an AD player standing right there where I was going. He sees me. I freak out. I try to use the Surrender emote. He annihilates me in seconds.

And then I have to respawn. ALL. THE WAY. AT THE BEGINNING. Oh, but that's not the end. I decide to try it again. I hop on my mount, go to the wall, and RIGHT when I hop over it, standing RIGHT there just outside the wall is a Vet16 AD player. I'm annihilated in seconds. He then begins to farm me as I try to leave, and it takes another level capped Pact player to get rid of him. So now I'm finally back on the road to Bruma so I can continue this stupid quest. But when I go through the Chim gate just GUESS who comes out of nowhere. Same person. He came back. Annihilated me in seconds.

I have to guess it took me a half hour to get back to Bruma and turn in the quest, only to be given another quest. And when I'm about to leave the building the questgiver was in, in trots another Dominion player. I frantically give the Surrender emote to tell him I don't want to fight. He doesn't care. I give out a couple attacks. I'm annihilated in seconds.

This is why I stick to the PvE zones. This is why PVP multiplayer gives me anger induced seizures.

I gave you the Surrender emote The Red Fury or whatever your name is!

Lag?

what server were you on? It sound like you are EP and they own more of the servers than any one else. I am on ps4/NA and in DC and we do not even have a buff server at all. So you should not have any trouble finding a low-population or at least low activity server

Lots of stuff here ...

1) Why didn't you use a transitus shrine to get closer? If the answer was that your alliance was getting dominated than you chose a very poor time to do what you did.

2) Bruma is on the short list of the most dangerous places in Cyrodiil because of the dailies. If you're ever in a town like this and you're not sneaking you asked for it. The moment I get near Bruma I chug invisibilty potions and run as fast as possible.

3) If there is an unwritten rule it's don't attack someone inside of the quest house. Still chances are much higher that you'll still get attacked than opposite. I try to be a gentleman on occasion and have given people a free pass ... which usually results in my death. Assume everyone is trying to kill you at all times.

If Cyrodiil was the real world you basically drove into an ISIS stronghold in a shiny Corvette looking for a cool restaurant that everyone knows about and are now confused as to why a terrorist you asked directions of responded by murdering you.

I ran into an "enemy" player while questing in Cyrodiil. We both had pets out, who both started fighting the other player. We stared at one another for a sec, both unsummoned our pets, and both turned in the quests and got new ones. Both got the same quest. Decided to be funny and do them together. Couldn't use pets or random AOE, had to target everything carefully, but managed to finish fairly easily anyway. Waved bye to each other and went on our merry ways. Weirdest Cyrodiil experience for me thus far.

ArchMikem wrote: »

The first time I decided to try going into Cyrodiil, I was level 30-something, and I very quickly learned I was leagues out of my depth and hopelessly useless. So I just as quickly left, and never went back.

I'm a Veteran 10 now. And I decided to go back in thinking I could hold my own in case an errant player tries to assert their dominance.

I join a campaign, I get into Cyrodiil, and I decide to start off picking up an old quest I had started way back on my first foray in. Time to travel to Bruma! So I mount my Lioness, hop the wall and start the very, VERY long trek half way across the map to Bruma. When I finally get there, a Dark Anchor is active, and Dremora are everywhere. The paranoid bugger I am, I go hidden and sneak my way into town. Of course I fail miserably as a Dremora here and a Skeleton there spot me and I have to put them down.

Then I see it. It's a glimpse. A yellow icon over a moving figure.

I damn near sh*t my pants. And then as I near the anchor it gets worse. Blue icons. A couple of Vet16 DC players are doing the anchor. Now don't misunderstand, this is at 4AM Pacific time. I had believed I wouldn't see a single person. But here I was hiding from two DC veterans, who then find and murder the lone AD player I saw earlier.

Finally I found my chance to get to the quest marker, thinking they've gone. I go into this building, find the NPC, do a thing here and there. And when I go back to turn in the quest, there's an AD player standing right there where I was going. He sees me. I freak out. I try to use the Surrender emote. He annihilates me in seconds.

And then I have to respawn. ALL. THE WAY. AT THE BEGINNING. Oh, but that's not the end. I decide to try it again. I hop on my mount, go to the wall, and RIGHT when I hop over it, standing RIGHT there just outside the wall is a Vet16 AD player. I'm annihilated in seconds. He then begins to farm me as I try to leave, and it takes another level capped Pact player to get rid of him. So now I'm finally back on the road to Bruma so I can continue this stupid quest. But when I go through the Chim gate just GUESS who comes out of nowhere. Same person. He came back. Annihilated me in seconds.

I have to guess it took me a half hour to get back to Bruma and turn in the quest, only to be given another quest. And when I'm about to leave the building the questgiver was in, in trots another Dominion player. I frantically give the Surrender emote to tell him I don't want to fight. He doesn't care. I give out a couple attacks. I'm annihilated in seconds.

This is why I stick to the PvE zones. This is why PVP multiplayer gives me anger induced seizures.

I gave you the Surrender emote The Red Fury or whatever your name is!

I always kind of liked questing behind enemy lines. The long travel times and the chance encounters with powerful and often unpredictable players creates a rare suspense. Much more so than in places where people can just quickly respawn and jump back into the fight. Sadly the game does not reward you in any significant way for surviving. Which gives me an idea........

I can sympathize with the OP but I wonder if he isn't tongue-in-cheek! lol

I have been in Cyrodiil 5 times just to try to get some skyshards. I picked early Sunday mornings (XB! EU) and tried to stay within my own boundaries.

With my VR16 Sorc I started to venture into enemy territory to get more skyshards.

Each and every time I got ganked and spanked sometimes I was still on my 60/60/60 mount.

I have yet to fight back because the foes were unsighted, stealthed or invisible.

Imagine, a VR16 Sorc in Cyrodiil and scared to death of other real players!

I want to play for fun and enjoy this potentially great game but I am not here to be bullied by cowards. It's a war game and I was in enemy terriotory so I got what I deserved, but the way in which it was done was diabolical and only serves to keep me as a PvE player.

I am 4 Dolmens short of the Saviour of Nirn title but I know I will never achieve this. I wish ESO could be more of a buddy-buddy game and not give some players licence to go against players who are just trying to get the titles they see those players with.

Don't even get me started on the IC DLC! lol

rotaugen454 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I ran into an "enemy" player while questing in Cyrodiil. We both had pets out, who both started fighting the other player. We stared at one another for a sec, both unsummoned our pets, and both turned in the quests and got new ones. Both got the same quest. Decided to be funny and do them together. Couldn't use pets or random AOE, had to target everything carefully, but managed to finish fairly easily anyway. Waved bye to each other and went on our merry ways. Weirdest Cyrodiil experience for me thus far.

I wanna do Pokemon battles with my pets.....

If we could have had the pets just fight each other, that would have been fun.

BTW, is there any way to actually talk to an enemy player? We used emotes and figured out we had the same quest for Cropsford when we were going the same direction, but neither of us could figure out how to talk to the other. And this was months ago, with the new pet setup I don't think we could cancel it fast enough.

If you're on PS4, there's the party chat feature. in game you can only speak if you're both apart of the same guild. otherwise I don't think there's any other way.

Incidentally I did make a new "not-an-enemy" last night when an enemy activated Overload, and then stealthed, and I guess left their controller, I found them from the flickering lights and sounds, and instead of just killing them sent them a message it was giving away their position while in sneak. He thanked me and I had no trouble from him while questing in that area. good times.

Cyrodiil is not impossible, it's a different ball game, that's what it is. It's a PVP zone and thus requires a different mindset than the PVE zones.The thing to keep in mind, is that it challenges you in a completely different way than the rest of the game does, and if you keep using PVE tactics, you are going to get trashed.

If you are just starting out, then do not go roaming solo in the countryside, that is just asking to be killed. When you are a raw recruit you are just that - a raw recruit, and you need to stick with the main body of your factions troops. Once you learn the ropes, you can start to venture further out on your own, eventually being able to operate deep behind enemy lines.

Of course, no one will force you to do so, you are quite free to strike out on your own the moment you hit Cyrodiil, but that road is hard and painful and filled with many many many deaths.

Sticking with other players from your side, and maybe joining a group, does not mean you need to become a mindless zergling. In fact that is a fairly bad way to learn. The best way is to first just wait for a siege to happen. Defensive ones are even better than offensive ones, but either will do just fine. When you get to Cyrodiil, check your map and see where the closest siege is. Port to nearest fort occupied by your side and wait for a group of 3 or so players to appear who are riding towards the battle and then tag along.

Those first few forays can be fairly nerve racking, not sure when an enemy ambush will sprout from the bushes, riding though unfamiliar territory, not really sure where your group is going or what you are going to find there once you get there. Eventually, whether you come across them along the way, or find them waiting at the destination, you will come across enemy players. And then things get real really fast, and the first natural reaction, even for veterans, tends to be to panic. Which is really bad, that is a surefire way of getting yourself killed. So the first thing you gotta do is to learn to keep your wits about you and stay calm and act with a purpose. This is not easy since you are undoubtedly aware that you are facing a real person, a freely thinking and acting individual, and you have no way to be sure as to what they are going to do next. Even though they are not physically challenging you to a real battle, the underlying psychological implication is still there. They are challenging you to a fight, and one of you is going to lose and one of you is going to win. And nobody wants to lose, and thus people tend to start to fidget. This is the first hurdle you must pass. Without battlefield discipline you will never stop dying.

Once you are over that panicking bit, the next thing you gotta learn is that attacks by player characters hurt a lot! They hurt tons more than attacks my mobs. The current meta of this game is dominated by burst. By stacking damage and crit rating, and using instant skills along with animation cancelling, it is possible to kill another player in less than 2 seconds. That is something that tends to come as a rude awakening to someone just starting out in Cyrodiil. But stop and think about damage in this game for a second. VR16 mobs can have more than 100k health, and killing them doesn't take all that long. So the damage you deal is disproportionate to your own health. And it is so by a rather large margin.

Damage has been going up in this game with each patch and update, but damage mitigation and health reserves have not. Even though you get 5k extra health in Cyrodiil, and all player damage is cut in half, 8k to 12k hits are still the norm in Cyrodiil. If you are an average player with 20k health or so, you will have 25k in Cyrodiil. But with the damage most attacks do, you are dead with three strikes on average. In PVE you can safely absorb 6 to 8 hits without really having to worry about healing, so it is natural that at first you find the difference between the areas somewhat jarring. Also: monsters to not crit, but players do, and most DPS builds crit more often than not.

The key to surviving is to learn to block, dodge, and mitigate (keep your buffs and shields up at all times). If you do not, you will get, as you quite succinctly but it "annihilated in seconds." Also... keep in mind that CC is not a real thing in PVE lands. Only bosses and some fairly rare mobs put out meaningful CC, whereas in Cyrodiil you are constantly being stunned, knocked down and back and rooted and feared. If you do not have a reliable way to deal with CC you will die.

So what can you do to improve your odds of survival? Well, that depends on a lot of things, like your class and race as well as preferred play style. Some classes have it easier than others, and some races basically fight with one had tied behind their backs. Also ganking and sneaky git like play styles are much easier to pull than say a straight up in your face kinda tank. So that's a factor too. But in all honesty, none of that really matters when you are staring out. Even with the perfect build and prefect gear you would still die constantly and consistently. That is until you learn to read the rhythm of battle. 'Till you learn to weave your own attacks via animation cancelling and learn to see when to dodge roll and when to block. That takes time and effort, just like any other skill. Once you get to the point that you are no longer "annihilated in seconds" by a random ganker, and might actually pull the occasional kill by yourself, then you are ready to start thinking about what strategy best suits you in the long run. At that point you will find lot of helpful info on the forums and various other web sites. It will still take plenty of time and experimenting with builds until you find one that works for you.

Once you are confident in your own abilities and secure int the knowledge that should you run into an enemy player while doing quests, it might not be you who has a long horse ride waiting them after the dust settles, then and only then are you really ready to start questing in Cyrodiil and clearing out all those caves and dolmens and quest hubs.And even then you will occasionally get killed and have to horse your way back. That's just the nature of the beast, but by that time you will have grown to accept it as a part of the parcel. Cyrodiil is a war zone, and if you go traipsing alone by your own when you are not ready to do so, then death and dying is all that is waiting for you down that road. In a sense, questing in Cyrodiil is not something you can take for granted, it's something you have to earn. As others have noted, it comes with extra risks and is offset by the bigger XP rewards it pays out. But ultimately they are just repeatable dailies, and not even all that interesting. And there is no central quest line or even a story line to follow. So it's not like they are particularly important things to get done and dealt with.

If you are not willing to learn PVP for some vehement reason or another, but still want to complete all those achievements for dolmens and exploration and skyshards, then get a group of 4 or 5 guildies together and do a merry romp-a-round Cyrodiil and never go back again. But claiming that questing in Cyrodiil is impossible is neither helpful nor really accurate. Plenty of us have done all the quests, and explorations and what nots in Cyrodiil - me included - so obviously you can quest there just fine. As long as you are adequately prepared for it that is.

As a final though - here are my "veteran" tips on surviving Cyrodiil - Learn to read the lay of the land. Blocking LoS is a big thing. Do not travel by the roads, keep an eye out for good ambush locations and steer away from them. Never just hide in the open only relying on stealth. Hide behind a rock or inside a bush. Much safer that way. And speaking of stealth... get the Legerdemain skill line up high enough so that you can get all ranks of sneak cost reduction. That really pays in the long run. And get your riding skills to max in speed and stamina before venturing around alone. You will be grateful off that extra stamina and speed. And finally... potions are your friend. Have a glaring gap in the skills at your disposal? Missing a crucial buff or utility power? Potions can help with that. Learn to constantly chuck them down. Better living though alchemy and all that after all. But yeah... Questing in Cyrodiil can be frustrating and harrowing experience, but it is also exciting and satisfying when things do roll your way.

vamp_emily wrote: »

I got all my skyshards,Lorebooks, and have done a few quests. Only a few times was I attacked. So I suggest try it again; maybe a different day.

If you see someone from another alliance just hide, don't try and wave because more than likely they will attack.

Yeah, I agree with this. That said, I've only done all the Skyshards and finished the dungeon bosses on one character. I've cleared all of the city quests twice.

Also, if at all possible, PvE in a pair or with a four man team. You'll be much safer from stray gankers.

Finally, stay in zone! Talk in zone. Don't tell people where you are or what you're doing, there are spies out there. But, listen for reports of gankers, and if you run into one, make sure you report them in zone. This can be an invaluable early warning system for yourself and others... also PvPers who get uppity PvEers in "their" province? Just ignore them.

PVE'ing in a PvP zone is always going to be a recipe for pain, but there's a few things you can do to improve your chances:

1) Build for survival, escape and speed. Things like a max speed mount and any class abilities which help make you slippery.

2) Build for stealth. All classes can benefit from sneaking around in Cyrodiil. There's a variety of ways to make your stealth better or less stamina intensive (certain set bonuses, medium armour passives, legerdemain passives etc).

3) Learn the hotspots and avoid them. Cyrodiil's action tends to focus on certain locations and routes. Some quest hubs and delves are more popular than others and your chances of getting ganked at them much higher, even offpeak.

4) Assume the worst. If you hear or see combat in the distance, stealth and assess it. Pan your camera at all times to see if you're being followed. Do the least expected to shrug off enemies (sadly panic and attempts to surrender are not on this list).

5) Use terrain to your advantage, both in terms of staying hidden and escaping. Know your exit routes and bolt holes (it can often be as much fun to evade a would-be ganker as defeat them, and chances are if they're built for ganking you won't beat them anyway).

ArchMikem wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Ok what class are you and what gear were you wearing?

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2800430/#Comment_2800430

^ Character sheet + Gear

My ability bar is a Lightning Destruction staff with Liquid Lightning, Destructive Clench, Hardened Ward, Mage's Wrath, and Inner Light with Soul Assault for the ultimate.

Secondary is a Healing staff with Illustrious Healing, Combat Prayer, Power Surge, Liquid Lightning, and Inner Light with Storm Atronach for the ultimate.

1579 Spell damage is honestly on the weaker side, comparing it to most sorcs in cyrodiil. I'm pushing 3300 buffed + food, and do alright, but there's some who get into 3800 to 4k. Tho you wont need to be completely focused on gear at VR10 it's the point where you should at least start to. maybe even get some temporary cheap jewelry and get some spell damage enchants on them. If you can push your level up at least to VR 11 you should be able to get the martial Knowledge set, which can also help your damage at your level.

I like your lightning Theme but fire is really where the damage is going to be found in PVP (especially with all the vampires running around) Maybe swap Illustrious healing with Healing Ward, stack it with hardened ward, it'll protect your life. (bonus, if you use healing ward first then hardened, and hardened isn't broken, healing ward WILL heal you for most if not all your health) swap Destructive clench for fulse pulse or crushing shock, either is good, I prefer pulse myself. You can then start to train yourself to "weave" your medium attacks in between pulses. So you hold down your attack button till you see the staff start to pull back (like it's about to become a heavy attack) and as you release hit the force pulse. wash rinse repeat, as your main attack. Liquid Lightning is good for finding NBs, but I'd suggest a Crystal frag int hat slot. Hard hitting CC can save your life. (Why is it on both bars btw?)

Soul Assault is good, but it's going to keep you in a single spot while it's ticking which can be bad. You could Slot Overload for a nice amount of damage plus, extra bar, more skills yay. Another option is Meteor, for a nice AOE snare or Dawnbreaker, cheap and hits hard.

The Second Liquid Lightning should be swapped for Streak. You're going to need to get away or gain some distance in some fights. Or even to stun the guy right in front of you (more CC!)

For reference and if it helps. I've got:
First Bar: Fire destro staff
Mages Wrath, Crystal Frag, Force Pulse, Power Surge, Hardened Ward with Overload Ulti
Second Bar: Resto Staff
Boundless Storm, Harness Magicka, Streak, Healing Ward, Hardened Ward with an Ulti that swaps depending on what I'm doing but usually is either Shooting Star or Storm Atro.
(I keep hardened ward on both bars because I'm constantly reapplying it no matter which weapon I'm using. 100% uptime)
Third Overload Bar:
Daedric mines, restraining prison, power surge, mage's wrath, Streak (Mostly used as my CC bar)

Try and grind out at least to VR 14, theres a lot of great VR 14 gear that can last you into VR 16, it'll get you by while you grind out whatever other gear you may need.

Quick Edit: The cyrodiil cakes that ALL the vendors sell in cryodiil will help out a lot too, it'll raise your health and magicka for an hour. I still use em while in Cyrodiil.

This never fails. Im nice and dont immediately open up a can of whoopass on a lowbie, we quest in same area for like 5 minutes, another person from the opposing faction comes along and now I'm fighting 2 instead of one.

Never again

ArchMikem wrote: »

...I gave you the Surrender emote The Red Fury or whatever your name is!

Guys, please. He surrender emoted... what is wrong with you PVP barbarians?

DonoVDV wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

...I gave you the Surrender emote The Red Fury or whatever your name is!

Guys, please. He surrender emoted... what is wrong with you PVP barbarians?

A part of me want's to feel butthurt.