Unreflectable Meteor

InBedWithMySelf

@RoamingRiverElk I completely agree.

InBedWithMySelf

@Waffennacht the only situation that might be acceptable is if it's used in a 1v1. outside that, it will kill you no matter what. This skill lost basically the last bit of skill it had left.

Waffennacht

I'm just talkin personal experience in group PvP. Ive very rarely faced meteor 1v1 (seems like poor decision)

I think each ult is pretty poor (except overload) imo

If you aren't ran over by a train. The only thing that really kills now is CC

Dredlord

Since actually playing the patch....

Unreflectable meteor was a great change. That said, it is still not good enough to put on my bar.

Forestd16b14_ESO

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

What I was already saying on the PTS forum, making Meteor nonreflectable is a change that promotes mindless gameplay as there are now no drawbacks to this incredibly powerful ultimate that cannot even be dodge rolled from.

The reason they gave, to make it more in line with all the other nonreflectable ultimates is both factually wrong (overload can be reflected) and an empty, foolish argument. It fails to take into consideration all of its damage, additional effects, and travel time. It also fails to take into consideration class balance - for instance, I pity the magicka AND stamina DKs upon whom I now unleash this lol-ultimate. It simply does not have enough counters now. The only counter to it is cloak, which just means that you wasted the ultimate, but doesn't actually pose any danger to you either - which it really should, given how powerful it is. When it was still reflectable, you had to think about who you were going to use it on. Not so anymore.

Blocking is not effective enough against this ultimate because there are so many skills that force you to drop block. Blocking was already nerfed way too much anyway, given the no stamina regen thing...

That's what every one was saying on the PTS forums last month. But no ZOS has to listen only to teh streamers and cry babies who want it easy in PvP aka zergs and mindless gankers.

InBedWithMySelf

@Dredlord oh god... you've got to be kidding me ^^

kadar

Meteor doesn't do anything if you block it. And since you can hear it 5 years before it lands...

Duiwel

For the first 2 days of Thieves Guild I had to remind myself after every fight that I can't reflect meteor and I still kept doing it up until like Friday...

Powerpeach

I really dont like this change DKs had very few skills that were actually useful, losing this makes me want to pull out one of my alts and throw in the towel on my stamina DK for now.

Durham

DjKahun wrote: »

It's right it shouldn't be reflectable, you don't see people reflecting dawnbraker do you xD still IMO meteor is one of the worst ultis you see it coming, block, problem solved, honesty I don't even see why people love meteor so much I love my dawnbraker of smiting more it hits hard xD and there's no reflecting it or blocking it because it's instant.

Not when you have the sound bug or lag ... let me repeat lag lag lag....

sluice

Meteor should not be reflectable...

DjKahun wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

PS4 enough said.

I know it's terrible here trust me lol no one is organized at all, hardly anyone knows how to play this game. Can just jump into a zerg ball solo and they all start panicking

Agree.... I can't wait for some text chat system. (To me this is the #1 issue with PVP on console...)

DjKahun

Durham wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

It's right it shouldn't be reflectable, you don't see people reflecting dawnbraker do you xD still IMO meteor is one of the worst ultis you see it coming, block, problem solved, honesty I don't even see why people love meteor so much I love my dawnbraker of smiting more it hits hard xD and there's no reflecting it or blocking it because it's instant.

Not when you have the sound bug or lag ... let me repeat lag lag lag....

Main reason I dropped out of Azura's Star, too much lag spend my time on Chillrend now where I can actually enjoy PVP with no lags like it was intended to be in the first place

DjKahun

sluice wrote: »

Meteor should not be reflectable...

DjKahun wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

PS4 enough said.

I know it's terrible here trust me lol no one is organized at all, hardly anyone knows how to play this game. Can just jump into a zerg ball solo and they all start panicking

Agree.... I can't wait for some text chat system. (To me this is the #1 issue with PVP on console...)

Yup, sometimes when I attack a group of people 2 of them are attacking me the rest are doing their own thing as they can't communicate with eachother lol find it really funny.. Looking forward to text chat in Dark Brotherhood & mostly combat text in Thieves guild

Morozov

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Is your right mouse button broken?

Hmm hmm hmm hmm the DOt still goes through the block and what are player supposed to do keep block up 24/7 ?

hold block for the initial then get out of the ground AOE?

I dunno, sounds plausible to me

Burning_Talons

DHale wrote: »

Great change there is no ultimate in the game that is reflect able... Now. But it is funny watching dks hit reflective scales when I hit them with meteor an I imagine what are they thinking...now. Ohhhh

Overload
Nothing else is a projectile

Stravokov

aaaaaw poor DK's

Frawr

While I agree that it's a dumb change at best, I must also point out that it is very blockable and hits like a wet noodle when blocked.

Truly a wasted ultimate if blocked.

ZoS, you appear to be aiming at a very casual demographic. One that you think plays infrequently enough to be perpetually bad at the game. As a result, you make changes like this to remove the need to react to things.

Ultimately, those casual players will move on to the next casual game. You will be left with the more serious mmo players.... except you won't if you continue with this design trend because they will move on to other, more mmo-ish, games.

Like black desert for example.

Dreyloch

You get a ring at your feet telegraphing the incoming meteor. I just block it and move on. They kinda tickle actually. (and I'm a magicka DK atm). Besides, us DK's have a bug issue with the stupid flappy wings draining stamina. I don't even have it on my bars right now.

Ragnaroek93

Let us make all ultimates unblockable and undogeable, would be a great meta... oh wait

Cure4theEn3my14

I was at the gate near Chalman, there was a DC zerg on one side, and an EP zerg on the other. The EP zerg ran out and the DC zerg dropped what looked like about 10 meteors at once. It was one of the most ridiculous things I have seen in the game. I really dislike this change and believe it needs to be reverted.

Also, why can meteor not be reflected but still be cloaked? They eliminated every way to avoid meteor except for cloak. The inconsistency is crazy.

Makkir

I still think dawnbreaker is the best choice for me for an ultimate, everything else seems unreliable

Emissary_Vex

Meteor should only be blockable if dragonknight reflect gets nerfed. Honestly fair but if a class can reflect OVER 50% of projects meteor is useless.

Frawr

Emissary_Vex wrote: »

Meteor should only be blockable if dragonknight reflect gets nerfed. Honestly fair but if a class can reflect OVER 50% of projects meteor is useless.

All classes could reflect it using 1h/s.

No dk-only benefit here.

Emissary_Vex

We are talking about spamming wings not a general reflects. The reflect on the wings is OP and you are delusional if you think its balanced.

Frawr

Emissary_Vex wrote: »

We are talking about spamming wings not a general reflects. The reflect on the wings is OP and you are delusional if you think its balanced.

Oh pull the other one. It's an obvious particle effect with a short duration and it is reasonably expensive to spam. Cc the dk before firing your meteor.

It is also personal choice to gimp yourself with ranged-only attacks.

Your complaint is just as ridiculous as people complaining about nb having stealth.

Rainingblood

Frawr wrote: »

While I agree that it's a dumb change at best, I must also point out that it is very blockable and hits like a wet noodle when blocked.

Truly a wasted ultimate if blocked.

ZoS, you appear to be aiming at a very casual demographic. One that you think plays infrequently enough to be perpetually bad at the game. As a result, you make changes like this to remove the need to react to things.

Ultimately, those casual players will move on to the next casual game. You will be left with the more serious mmo players.... except you won't if you continue with this design trend because they will move on to other, more mmo-ish, games.

Like black desert for example.

Wait, you're just getting that they cater to casual players? Most "serious MMO players" have either left, or they will this year as far better options are released.

Cody

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Is your right mouse button broken?

Hmm hmm hmm hmm the DOt still goes through the block and what are player supposed to do keep block up 24/7 ?

if this was still 1.5 the answer would be yes:D

Lutallo

You can block meteor and take almost no damage.
Even on my sorc, blocking it with a resto doesn't even take off 5k health.

Hutch679

Bashev wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

It's right it shouldn't be reflectable, you don't see people reflecting dawnbraker do you xD still IMO meteor is one of the worst ultis you see it coming, block, problem solved, honesty I don't even see why people love meteor so much I love my dawnbraker of smiting more it hits hard xD and there's no reflecting it or blocking it because it's instant.

You know that any descent player will CC you just before the meteor drops on you. Dawnbreaker is not reflectable because it is not projectile.

^ This. Try this combo for magicka Dk. .. Structured Entropy - > Shooting Star - > Shielded Charge - > Burning Talons. Gg.

Morozov

Hutch679 wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

It's right it shouldn't be reflectable, you don't see people reflecting dawnbraker do you xD still IMO meteor is one of the worst ultis you see it coming, block, problem solved, honesty I don't even see why people love meteor so much I love my dawnbraker of smiting more it hits hard xD and there's no reflecting it or blocking it because it's instant.

You know that any descent player will CC you just before the meteor drops on you. Dawnbreaker is not reflectable because it is not projectile.

^ This. Try this combo for magicka Dk. .. Structured Entropy - > Shooting Star - > Shielded Charge - > Burning Talons. Gg.

confirmed

Drop the meteor first then CC while the DK is blocking. not enough time to break free before the meteor hits for full damage on a defenseless player.

source: I play a DK