How do *you* measure success in PvP

Crown

We can all agree that the AP system is flawed for a measurement of success. My calculations for AP earnings spreadsheet has been updated here: https://goo.gl/Ea7Qe3 for those who would like to see real numbers. The most AP goes to the player(s) who get the most damage on opposing players who are killed, regardless of who does the killing. Some AP goes to players who heal other players who make AP when the damage that they took was during combat and from an opposing player.

For example:

• If you throw a caltrops on an opposing group as other people kill them, you'll get a tiny amount of AP.
• If you spam healing HoTs on a friendly group while they kill opponents, provided that they've taken damage that you've healed you'll get a small amount of AP.
• If you throw out inevitable detonations and other large AoE on opponents while other people kill them, you'll get a medium amount of AP.
• If you put down siege and hit opponents while other people kill them, you'll get a medium about of AP.
• If you do 50% of the damage to an opponent and said opponent dies, you'll get 50% of the AP from the kill.

If your goal is to make AP, get high on the leader boards for gold rewards, and/or get emperor, then there are strategies for making the most AP in the least amount of time. I expect that we'll see a lot of AP farming in the first few days of the patch by people who want the new reward mail sets (Vicious Death anyone?). We'll also see quite a few people vying for top 2% of their faction, in the hopes of getting some gold jewellery at the end of the month in reward mails. I myself am hoping to get top 2% on two different toons for even more chance, though we'll see if my work schedule allows me to do so.

To me overall, the leader board is irrelevant as a measure of success. The top of the leader board are the players with the most time, or the most efficient AP farming methods. AP farming is a skill, separate from ganking, solo, duo, small group, or large group play skills. It's nice to see your name on the board, but ultimately it's the top 2% (somewhere between 40 and 90 players) who get gold rewards so the difference between #2 and #50 after the campaign ends is absolutely nothing. My subjective evaluation of success is based on the below, and keep in mind that since achieving AR50 I am much less AP focused.

• While farming AP solo or duo, I keep track of both number of kills and AP gained per time period. If my/our performance is within 20% of my historical average, then I consider it a successful session.
• When in a solid guild group, I look at fights versus similarly skilled opponents and count the wins vs losses. If we lost 10 out of our 12 members then that's a loss - even if the opponents move off and we rez up to try again. I also look at AP made per hour, though that's of lesser significance unless our goal is AP farming.
• When in a large social group (drunk raid nights), the kills / AP of the group is irrelevant as it's the social fun that makes the night a success.

There are many different ways to look at success. What's yours?

bikerangelo

Not dying every 30 seconds.
Having a higher kill/death ratio.

It's hard to measure "success" if the unit of measurement is AP, I agree. I'd much rather have an enjoyable pvp experience and call that a success over following a full raid spamming Mutagen for the AP gains.

Rva_Kun

bikerangelo wrote: »

Not dying every 30 seconds.
Having a higher kill/death ratio.

It's hard to measure "success" if the unit of measurement is AP, I agree. I'd much rather have an enjoyable pvp experience and call that a success over following a full raid spamming Mutagen for the AP gains.

But spamming Mutagen is so fun

GRxKnight

Individual KDR and amount of times opposing groups are wiped/beaten vs us being wiped/beaten

Sallington

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQ6335puOc

ToRelax

Playing PvP is successful when I have fun. And for that I need to contribute a meaningful amount to my group by skillful play (as in, idc wether my group wins fights because I reduce damage through AoE caps or just spam a few skills), and fight fights that are not too laggy or stacked in my favour. If I don't win a lot I at least need to learn from it to see it as successful, and if the fights are too easy I won't be satisfied as well.
If my build is vastly inferior to another that I know I can do better with, I'll wish to switch, though if the gameplay would be to easy on the more powerful build that won't satisfy me either (plus after months of playing the same I'll switch to another class for a while because it becomes boring).

AP and any kind of character progression are completely irrelevant for me except I'll want to be on equal footing with my opponents.

Minno

Also: success measured in increments of "fun".

Nothing will ever beat "Friday night drunk raids" with friends or that feeling you get when you and a fellow friend try to solo a reinforment lane.

Millerman34n

Ways to measure your skill and success if the answers to these questions are no than you are successful at pvp in the elders scrolls online!

1) Have you been 1vx ed before? For example has one person ever killed you by them selfs when you were in a group of 10 plus?
2) Have you ever been emporer and if so have you ever been beaten in a 1v1 or 1v2 as emorer?
3) Have you ever taken a group of 10 plus out by your self?
4) When you duel to you win 70% to 80% of your duels at least?
5) Do you abuse broken mechanics and brag about it ex reverb bash spam or cammo hunter?


If you check out with all of those things than you are a successful pvp player in my opinion!

GRxKnight

Millerman34n wrote: »

Ways to measure your skill and success if the answers to these questions are no than you are successful at pvp in the elders scrolls online!

1) Have you been 1vx ed before? For example has one person ever killed you by them selfs when you were in a group of 10 plus?
2) Have you ever been emporer and if so have you ever been beaten in a 1v1 or 1v2 as emorer?
3) Have you ever taken a group of 10 plus out by your self?
4) When you duel to you win 70% to 80% of your duels at least?
5) Do you abuse broken mechanics and brag about it ex reverb bash spam or cammo hunter?


If you check out with all of those things than you are a successful pvp player in my opinion!

2 is impossible for a majority of people who work 40+ hours a week...i know quite a few who do this and are top tier pvp'ers

Unless this post is troll in which case pls ignore

KenaPKK

Cyrodiil solo / small group play: kill people and don't die. One death allowed per 20 kills, although all deaths are mistakes. Any more deaths per kills than that, and I'm dissatisfied. Suicide proxy bombs are the exception. Outnumbered fights are expected and sought out. I also feel really good when I see myself contributing a tangible play that leads to a group winning a significant fight, often that goes unnoticed. For this reason, I hang out on the flanks and rear of enemy forces during sieges and largescale conflicts looking for ways to disrupt the enemy formation, kill siegers / burn siege, or cut off reinforcements. I also am often the first to bomb a keep inner, or zip upstairs to clear enemy oils. Survival is still required to call it a success.

Cyrodiil group play: winning fights against comparable group opponents or when outnumbered by pugs. Again, any death on my part is a mistake that dissatisfies me. Losing enough players from the group that we have to break off from the fight and either try to get resses or respawn is a group failure to be evaluated.

Imp City solo / small group play: winning all fights and banking tel var for myself or my group. Any death to a player where we lose 1k+ tel var is a failure where we were not paying attention to our surroundings. It was clearly lag, though. We must go back and take what is rightfully ours!

Alcast

What about fishing?

SirAndy

Crown wrote: »

How do *you* measure success in PvP

Simple, ESO PvP success:

When after i log off, i think to myself "Self, that was fun!"

saiyan_84

kill to death ratio + kill to killing blow ratio

why was sarenvog banned ?haha

Ishammael

Sallington wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQ6335puOc

pretty much this.

catalyst10e

• How much participation I give to my group. (Am I fulfilling a role?, or would this all be the same if I was just standing there?)
• How many times I survive. (Either by killing all the enemies or by escaping)
• How much fun I'm having.

As long as I got those 3 to measure success, it's good enough for me.

timidobserver

By how much of the ground is covered with Blue or Yellow bodies and by how many blue or yellow players are surrounding my group when/if we wipe.

Glory

For me, it's my team's success and how much fun we're having.

I don't care much about the map, nor AP (it feels both useless and demanding at the same time). What makes success is a combination of are we doing well (beating other small groups and/or fighting larger groups) and are we having fun (beating a 12 man with 6 isn't successful even if people are salty or unhappy).

K/D is childish to emphasize so heavily in my opinion, as is thinking that you should win every fight (there's almost always a bigger fish, especially for the groups I play in [3-6 man typically]). I have played a suboptimal class (mDK) for the challenge as well, since I think it shouldn't be about playing the most OP spec if you're not having fun.

My thoughts

Glory

@Crown cool spread on AP earned/hour.

Have you looked at all into diminishing AP value? I think it'd be easy to get 50k/hour consistently, if it wasn't for that aspect and players weren't in "farm" mode.

flying_ace2

Recently? I measure my PvP success by whether I can actually stay in game for longer than 5 minutes without getting kicked......

Lord-Stien

A good way to measure success.

Are you getting a larger amount of Hate mail / death threats from the opposing faction?>

Butt Really.. death threats... when i start getting those .. i know for a fact made an effort theat night ..

And you would think.... After getting death threats.. an d those said players getting reported ... they would no longer be in the game ....

caeliusstarbreaker

I measure my success in amount of enemies I successfully fill a soul gem with.

Master_Kas

I'm a nightblade, my measure of success is to kill, kill alot.

For those of you who still don't know how NBs think : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1BxRNHVGpk

xD

Teridaxus

Enemy salt

aLi3nZ

Kill death ratio and how many players I can kill when 1vX

FriedEggSandwich

I play for fun and a shot of adrenaline. I have the most fun when I kill players under circumstances I consider to be in their favour, like when I'm outnumbered or part of a group that's outnumbered, or fighting against an enemy with campaign buffs etc. The best moments are when you think to yourself "omg I can't believe we just pulled that off". Essentially though if I'm playing and have to drag myself away to go to bed, instead of rage quit, then it was successful. If I finish a play session feeling like I played well then it was successful. Earning large chunks of ap is nice but not something I chase; I've pvp'd since shortly after launch but I'm only AR23.

Lisbette

The amount of hate tells I receive

-Tamerlin

JaJaLuka

The only question that matters: did I have fun?

There are a few things that influence that, one being that I hate people I consider to have poor attitudes (no matter how insignificant the tells), and the second is that I like to be a part of good fights which sadly are harder to come by these days.

PhatGrimReaper

If the map is better or equal to when started on a competitive server and you made decent AP, Job Done!!

kevlarto_ESO

The number one thing is fun with my friends, everything else is secondary.
I am high enough most months to get gold rewards, that is good enough for me. I do well enough getting AP by playing the game and doing the objectives and supporting my faction with keep takes and defends, and other things.

One way I measure success in pvp is denying the enemy AP, from me or my friends or fellow faction mates. Farming is a two way street, and rarely do I donate AP, to the other side.

Knootewoot

I thought PvP was about taking keeps and stealing scrolls and have one of your team as an emperor.

My idea of success in PvP is when you successfully defended (with a team) a keep from enemy siege and take a (defended) enemy keep with a team. And when you team up to take an enemies scroll and have one of your top tier players crowned Emperor because he actually contributed in the 3-banner war.

DKsUnite

By the amount of clips I have for videos at the end of the night. If I didn't record that night, how pissed off am I when I log off.