Dear God Templars are BAD.

Vatter

Who on team ZOS is responsible for designing the templar? Seriously, by far the worst designed class in any game I have ever played. [snip]


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mdylan2013

Vatter wrote: »

Who on team ZOS is responsible for designing the templar? Seriously, by far the worst designed class in any game I have ever played.

Maybe the issue is with your play style/set up? Yeah Templars have their weaknesses and their fair share of bugs, but from my personal experience I find that they have great flexibility/damage/survivability.

I struggle to be effective with the dragonknight class, so I don't play with one.


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ontheleftcoast

If you hate Templars now just wait a few days -- they're going to be even worse.

Asmael

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

If you hate Templars now just wait a few days -- they're going to be even worse.

At least, you got a house

Kappa/

ontheleftcoast

Asmael wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

If you hate Templars now just wait a few days -- they're going to be even worse.

At least, you got a house

Kappa/

Well, a house that a fly could fart in and blow apart. But, yeah, don't you come in my house! Or you'll break it.

Acsvf

Asmael wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

If you hate Templars now just wait a few days -- they're going to be even worse.

At least, you got a house

Kappa/

But we do get a house.

Duiwel

ITT OP is mad...

Magicka attribute, puncturing sweeps and other self heals not good enough for you OP?

NiclasFridholm

I want My house!!!

CherryCake

But...templars are cool...

Bossdonut

Git gud RIFLMAO! !!!!

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Selstad

Perhaps the OP should enlighten the developer staff with his infinite game designing wisdom? Perhaps even try to explain why they are so bad, and what possibly could be done to make them better?

Someone who judges others so harshly as the OP does, better have the background that puts weight to his claims. Else it's just another infuriating little kid on the room that spits curses at the screen.

andy_s

Your post will definitely help to improve templars.

Brrrofski

I honestly don't share the same opinion on them as others.

I find both my magica and stamina pretty damn strong.

Cinbri

Don't wanna say about balanced but it is indeed worst visually designed class. C'mon there is impossible to play templar without buff tracking addons coz templar 'things' have zero visual clue. Like - when dk cast razor armor you see spikes that show you duration of buff, when nb cast strife it showing red essence round. But when templar cast Honor it dont have any visual effect to show you duration of mana return or rune focus buffs' glowing invisible if you use shuffle or snb reflect, and most templar buffs/procs have this problem. Without heal-tracking addons it was impossible before to determine if puncturing sweeps heal you upon hitting shields coz it don't have visual of hp returns, so people at the beginning even believed that it heal through damage shields.
Templar is most unfriendly class in thas case.

moesmaker

Nothing wrong with my templar, maybe I play another game?

OP, please enlighten me with the facts on which you base your rant.

Vatter

Selstad wrote: »

Perhaps the OP should enlighten the developer staff with his infinite game designing wisdom? Perhaps even try to explain why they are so bad, and what possibly could be done to make them better?

Someone who judges others so harshly as the OP does, better have the background that puts weight to his claims. Else it's just another infuriating little kid on the room that spits curses at the screen.

moesmaker wrote: »

Nothing wrong with my templar, maybe I play another game?

OP, please enlighten me with the facts on which you base your rant.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/209652/why-templar-is-the-worst-designed-class-in-eso-long/p1

Are you 2 seriously saying that you have never seen the hundreds of threads about how awful the templar is?

Vatter

Tryxus wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Please resign from your position and consider working at a car wash or something.

Usually, ppl who talk like that work at a carwash themselves. Or smth more shittier

I don't work at one Tryxus, but now I see that you do. pick your head up things will get better. maybe.

Alorier

Op your playing it wrong I go into PvP expecting to die I mean some ones got to contribute to the Templar bounty but if by some miracle I kill someone it's a win win win , personally I think your expectations are to high , we are the cannon fodder and I do that so proudly

moesmaker

OP, of course I read threads (though 100s, wow that's a lot, can't recall them tall bh) about the templar, as well as threads about the other classes.

But i prefer to PLAY THE GAME so I really know how playing a templar is. Pretty good idea, more people should do this.

Selstad

Vatter wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

Perhaps the OP should enlighten the developer staff with his infinite game designing wisdom? Perhaps even try to explain why they are so bad, and what possibly could be done to make them better?

Someone who judges others so harshly as the OP does, better have the background that puts weight to his claims. Else it's just another infuriating little kid on the room that spits curses at the screen.

moesmaker wrote: »

Nothing wrong with my templar, maybe I play another game?

OP, please enlighten me with the facts on which you base your rant.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/209652/why-templar-is-the-worst-designed-class-in-eso-long/p1

Are you 2 seriously saying that you have never seen the hundreds of threads about how awful the templar is?

I've seen the threads ever since day 1 of release. That's not the point though, the OP is talking about how bad the developers are and how they should be fired for how templars are, something that indicates that he himself think he knows how it should be, how else can you say someone should be fired for doing a bad job? You clearly have to know a lot about game development in order to judge other game developers so harshly.

This thread isn't constructive, and as such gets non-constructive answers. I'd say we're on topic then

Brrrofski

Cinbri wrote: »

Don't wanna say about balanced but it is indeed worst visually designed class. C'mon there is impossible to play templar without buff tracking addons coz templar 'things' have zero visual clue. Like - when dk cast razor armor you see spikes that show you duration of buff, when nb cast strife it showing red essence round. But when templar cast Honor it dont have any visual effect to show you duration of mana return or rune focus buffs' glowing invisible if you use shuffle or snb reflect, and most templar buffs/procs have this problem. Without heal-tracking addons it was impossible before to determine if puncturing sweeps heal you upon hitting shields coz it don't have visual of hp returns, so people at the beginning even believed that it heal through damage shields.
Templar is most unfriendly class in thas case.

I do absolutely fine on console

Abeille

Selstad wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

Perhaps the OP should enlighten the developer staff with his infinite game designing wisdom? Perhaps even try to explain why they are so bad, and what possibly could be done to make them better?

Someone who judges others so harshly as the OP does, better have the background that puts weight to his claims. Else it's just another infuriating little kid on the room that spits curses at the screen.

moesmaker wrote: »

Nothing wrong with my templar, maybe I play another game?

OP, please enlighten me with the facts on which you base your rant.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/209652/why-templar-is-the-worst-designed-class-in-eso-long/p1

Are you 2 seriously saying that you have never seen the hundreds of threads about how awful the templar is?

I've seen the threads ever since day 1 of release. That's not the point though, the OP is talking about how bad the developers are and how they should be fired for how templars are, something that indicates that he himself think he knows how it should be, how else can you say someone should be fired for doing a bad job? You clearly have to know a lot about game development in order to judge other game developers so harshly.

This thread isn't constructive, and as such gets non-constructive answers. I'd say we're on topic then

I don't think ZOS would take OP's feedback into consideration, though. They didn't post on the existing templar threads, and they have a lot of constructive feedback in them.

DjKahun

I smell a L2P issue

stewhead2ub17_ESO

Love my templar! This thread?? Not so much. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz

Selstad

Abeille wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

Perhaps the OP should enlighten the developer staff with his infinite game designing wisdom? Perhaps even try to explain why they are so bad, and what possibly could be done to make them better?

Someone who judges others so harshly as the OP does, better have the background that puts weight to his claims. Else it's just another infuriating little kid on the room that spits curses at the screen.

moesmaker wrote: »

Nothing wrong with my templar, maybe I play another game?

OP, please enlighten me with the facts on which you base your rant.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/209652/why-templar-is-the-worst-designed-class-in-eso-long/p1

Are you 2 seriously saying that you have never seen the hundreds of threads about how awful the templar is?

I've seen the threads ever since day 1 of release. That's not the point though, the OP is talking about how bad the developers are and how they should be fired for how templars are, something that indicates that he himself think he knows how it should be, how else can you say someone should be fired for doing a bad job? You clearly have to know a lot about game development in order to judge other game developers so harshly.

This thread isn't constructive, and as such gets non-constructive answers. I'd say we're on topic then

I don't think ZOS would take OP's feedback into consideration, though. They didn't post on the existing templar threads, and they have a lot of constructive feedback in them.

A lot of people think that the developer has to answer the thread for them to see the problem. I agree that they should at least give some feedback, but the forum's existence alone should be proof enough that they read the feedbacks that come in, only that they have to be constructive. The problem is that most of the time they don't have anything exact to come up with, per example the templar train bot problem, they didn't say too much but a GM I spoke to said that the developers was using up a medium sized farm of coffee beans per day trying to figure out what to do about the problem.

I don't think people understand the time and effort that goes into producing a game, especially an ongoing MMO. Do you want the developers to come up with solutions and balancing things out as best they can, or do you want them to spend their time on the forums, answering the same questions over and over again?

Zyeriik

I love templar it's my favorite class in the game. I'm almost exclusively a pve player though so that is all I can speak for but my vet 7 stamplar has no issues whatsoever dealing damage or staying alive. Biting jabs and repentance are fantastic abilities plus I get Sun shield and rally from the 2h skill line and some decent heals (even for stam build) if things go south. I have fun with the class as do many others so I wouldn't say the devolpers failed or should be washing cars instead lol. But hey, it's all just opinion.

Abeille

Selstad wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

Perhaps the OP should enlighten the developer staff with his infinite game designing wisdom? Perhaps even try to explain why they are so bad, and what possibly could be done to make them better?

Someone who judges others so harshly as the OP does, better have the background that puts weight to his claims. Else it's just another infuriating little kid on the room that spits curses at the screen.

moesmaker wrote: »

Nothing wrong with my templar, maybe I play another game?

OP, please enlighten me with the facts on which you base your rant.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/209652/why-templar-is-the-worst-designed-class-in-eso-long/p1

Are you 2 seriously saying that you have never seen the hundreds of threads about how awful the templar is?

I've seen the threads ever since day 1 of release. That's not the point though, the OP is talking about how bad the developers are and how they should be fired for how templars are, something that indicates that he himself think he knows how it should be, how else can you say someone should be fired for doing a bad job? You clearly have to know a lot about game development in order to judge other game developers so harshly.

This thread isn't constructive, and as such gets non-constructive answers. I'd say we're on topic then

I don't think ZOS would take OP's feedback into consideration, though. They didn't post on the existing templar threads, and they have a lot of constructive feedback in them.

A lot of people think that the developer has to answer the thread for them to see the problem. I agree that they should at least give some feedback, but the forum's existence alone should be proof enough that they read the feedbacks that come in, only that they have to be constructive. The problem is that most of the time they don't have anything exact to come up with, per example the templar train bot problem, they didn't say too much but a GM I spoke to said that the developers was using up a medium sized farm of coffee beans per day trying to figure out what to do about the problem.

I don't think people understand the time and effort that goes into producing a game, especially an ongoing MMO. Do you want the developers to come up with solutions and balancing things out as best they can, or do you want them to spend their time on the forums, answering the same questions over and over again?

I want them to take our feedback into consideration, that's all.

Judging by the latest changes on PTS, they are not doing that. The little feedback they take into consideration is being misused. A good example is the BoL nerf. Somehow, after "watching a few streamers" (yes, they said that, but I'm on mobile right now so going after the exact quote would take too long), they took the feedback that "BoL needs a line of sight limitation so people won't heal through walls in Cyrodiil" and somehow made that into "Better make BoL heal one less target but not cost any less magicka".

Not to mention Wrobel's templar vision for templar. An "immovable" class that "protects their house", in a game with action-based combat.

I won't go into detail because, as I said, I'm on mobile right now. But rest assured, the solutions they are coming up with are not really addressing the issues (Bugged skills? Low mobility? Better increase the dps on one of the slow-casting skills!).

I don't want them to answer the same questions over and over. I want them to answer at least once, and to at least say that they will review Wrobel's "immovable templar" vision to see if it fits an action-based combat and if it matches the player's wishes for the class.

EsoRecon

L2P

Duiwel

OP went out of his house...

Hell Templars can cast double Solar Disturbance atm... and that means double SUPER NOVA!

So what the problem is?

Stay in your house and you will not be so angry...

Selstad

Abeille wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

Perhaps the OP should enlighten the developer staff with his infinite game designing wisdom? Perhaps even try to explain why they are so bad, and what possibly could be done to make them better?

Someone who judges others so harshly as the OP does, better have the background that puts weight to his claims. Else it's just another infuriating little kid on the room that spits curses at the screen.

moesmaker wrote: »

Nothing wrong with my templar, maybe I play another game?

OP, please enlighten me with the facts on which you base your rant.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/209652/why-templar-is-the-worst-designed-class-in-eso-long/p1

Are you 2 seriously saying that you have never seen the hundreds of threads about how awful the templar is?

I've seen the threads ever since day 1 of release. That's not the point though, the OP is talking about how bad the developers are and how they should be fired for how templars are, something that indicates that he himself think he knows how it should be, how else can you say someone should be fired for doing a bad job? You clearly have to know a lot about game development in order to judge other game developers so harshly.

This thread isn't constructive, and as such gets non-constructive answers. I'd say we're on topic then

I don't think ZOS would take OP's feedback into consideration, though. They didn't post on the existing templar threads, and they have a lot of constructive feedback in them.

A lot of people think that the developer has to answer the thread for them to see the problem. I agree that they should at least give some feedback, but the forum's existence alone should be proof enough that they read the feedbacks that come in, only that they have to be constructive. The problem is that most of the time they don't have anything exact to come up with, per example the templar train bot problem, they didn't say too much but a GM I spoke to said that the developers was using up a medium sized farm of coffee beans per day trying to figure out what to do about the problem.

I don't think people understand the time and effort that goes into producing a game, especially an ongoing MMO. Do you want the developers to come up with solutions and balancing things out as best they can, or do you want them to spend their time on the forums, answering the same questions over and over again?

I want them to take our feedback into consideration, that's all.

Judging by the latest changes on PTS, they are not doing that. The little feedback they take into consideration is being misused. A good example is the BoL nerf. Somehow, after "watching a few streamers" (yes, they said that, but I'm on mobile right now so going after the exact quote would take too long), they took the feedback that "BoL needs a line of sight limitation so people won't heal through walls in Cyrodiil" and somehow made that into "Better make BoL heal one less target but not cost any less magicka".

Not to mention Wrobel's templar vision for templar. An "immovable" class that "protects their house", in a game with action-based combat.

I won't go into detail because, as I said, I'm on mobile right now. But rest assured, the solutions they are coming up with are not really addressing the issues (Bugged skills? Low mobility? Better increase the dps on one of the slow-casting skills!).

I don't want them to answer the same questions over and over. I want them to answer at least once, and to at least say that they will review Wrobel's "immovable templar" vision to see if it fits an action-based combat and if it matches the player's wishes for the class.

The problem as I see it, is that the developer's overall vision and what they consider the best moves, doesn't necessarily coincide with what the players think should be done. I just returned to ESO, I played it in the beginning, but after some months I left due to the game not being what I wanted of it.

When I returned, I saw that they've made numerous changes to the game. They've changed how things are displayed, clarified what does what, tweaked the massive imbalance in difficulty on several places, understood that Craglorn was a mistake (forced grouping; bad idea) and numerous smaller changes to their game, making the game feel less blocky and more fluent.

So they do make changes, and they do listen to feedback, far more than many other game companies I've seen (such as EA and Ubisoft, and the ever so arrogant Blizzard). That however doesn't necessarily mean you agree with what they're doing and how they are doing things, and in your view it doesn't address the underlying issue, that's fine. But if you do disagree on it, at least it has to be constructive and well written to address the underlying issue, and how it might be changed. The OP doesn't do any of that, he just tells the developers to find another line of work because they don't know what they're doing. That's neither constructive nor helpful.

DuckNoodles

Even being in My House, I still get kicked in the stomach and robbed.