Would you be willing to rollback to 1.5?

Cody

An utterly pointless question, but over the past few days I have been wondering if people would be willing to play 1.5 again. So, despite how pointless this is, would you be willing to roll back to 1.5 or even a time before it? (this is for PvErs too, not just PvPers)

FriedEggSandwich

no

Nostalgia has a lot to answer for. Everyone just ran around with soft-capped hp, primary resourse and damage type, and nBs sucked *snore*

lolo_01b16_ESO

yes

Any day This would mean:
- Blinding flashes
- dynamic ultimate generation
- more flexibility with buffs
- skills that scaled of max hp are usefull
- deaths would matter for trial leaderboardes (will also come back with the thieves guild )
- master weapons would be obtainable in pvp
- you would be able to buy max level sets with ap
- you would be able to get max level set items from trials (will come with tg)
- you could make money by doing endgame content, either selling gear drops or ap
- all cost reduction tooltips would show their actual effect and not just wrong numbers
- using a synergy wouldn't require you to stand in the exact center of an aoe
- uncapped dragon fire scales
- siphoning attacks would work with aoe dots
- Negate would be a usefull ultimate
- eclipse could be cast on multiple targets
- dawnbreaker would have a cast time, so you could block cancel the animation to impress people when waiting for the group to get ready
- ... (I can't remember every change they did in that update)

But since there also were bad things in 1.5 I'd prefer a mixture where you "simply" add the good things from 1.5 to the current game.

KenaPKK

no

Yes and no. There were obvious non-op parts that should be brought back, but there were also op parts of 1.5 that I think we'll all agree should stay in the past.

Lexxypwns

yes

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Nostalgia has a lot to answer for. Everyone just ran around with soft-capped hp, primary resourse and damage type, and nBs sucked *snore*

All of this is false. I don't know of a single, good, non-templar, who stacked health like that. Everyone I know or ran with at the time ran as little health as they could and still survive since stamina and magika management was much more difficult than just healing damage. Also, magika NB was GREAT during 1.5, are you drunk or something?

I'd like to see a rollback to 1.5, but add in some balancing changes (improve stamina to be on par with magika, slightly nerf DK). Honestly, the skill cap in 1.5 was MUCH higher than it is now and there's no way that can be considered a bad thing, even with all the issues in game at the time. Remember when you could play a stam class with 5 ravager 5 eyes of mara and it worked? Or a magika build with whitestrake or arena and it was still viable? Remember when syrabane was a thing?

Cody

Lexxypwns wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Nostalgia has a lot to answer for. Everyone just ran around with soft-capped hp, primary resourse and damage type, and nBs sucked *snore*

All of this is false. I don't know of a single, good, non-templar, who stacked health like that. Everyone I know or ran with at the time ran as little health as they could and still survive since stamina and magika management was much more difficult than just healing damage. Also, magika NB was GREAT during 1.5, are you drunk or something?

I'd like to see a rollback to 1.5, but add in some balancing changes (improve stamina to be on par with magika, slightly nerf DK). Honestly, the skill cap in 1.5 was MUCH higher than it is now and there's no way that can be considered a bad thing, even with all the issues in game at the time. Remember when you could play a stam class with 5 ravager 5 eyes of mara and it worked? Or a magika build with whitestrake or arena and it was still viable? Remember when syrabane was a thing?

not all NBs were mana blades. Stamblades were pretty bad in comparison.

this comment (the part I bolded) represents what I think is an issue many people have. they say that "manablades were great!" which they were. A sap tank could literally be invincible in a huge group of people with proper sap essence use.

However, what many failed to realize both at that time and now, is that not everyone played/plays a mana build. Mana blades were great, but stamblades? stamblades were garbage. No good source of healing, (vigor was not around yet, and rally did not appear until 3/4s of the way thru) no sustainability outside of siphoning attacks, which decreased damage quite a bit, and there were no stam morphs of anything. A stamblade had to either spam Uppercut, which was interruptble and almost unusable in PvP, rapid strikes, which sucked, and still sucks. Hidden/flying blade, which did not do much good against the common use of reflective scales and the fact that a destro staff and even a bow would out DPS it, or spam snipe, which was and still is interruptable, and would not work against a crushing shock user.

i am not saying stamina builds could not be played, but mana builds were much better. Hybrid builds were better as well. Oh how I miss being able to competitively use a hybrid build...

Farorin

no

Lexxypwns wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Nostalgia has a lot to answer for. Everyone just ran around with soft-capped hp, primary resourse and damage type, and nBs sucked *snore*

All of this is false. I don't know of a single, good, non-templar, who stacked health like that. Everyone I know or ran with at the time ran as little health as they could and still survive since stamina and magika management was much more difficult than just healing damage. Also, magika NB was GREAT during 1.5, are you drunk or something?

I'd like to see a rollback to 1.5, but add in some balancing changes (improve stamina to be on par with magika, slightly nerf DK). Honestly, the skill cap in 1.5 was MUCH higher than it is now and there's no way that can be considered a bad thing, even with all the issues in game at the time. Remember when you could play a stam class with 5 ravager 5 eyes of mara and it worked? Or a magika build with whitestrake or arena and it was still viable? Remember when syrabane was a thing?

A large majority stacked health up to softcap from my memory, I even saw a few builds where the majority of the useful things all had hit softcap.

Magicka NB was only good as a Sap tank, and half decent as a skirt and stick wielder (other classes did skirt and stick better). Stam NBs, and stam builds in general were completely trash.

Ffastyl

yes

As an "if all else fails" thing? Yeah. But we haven't tried all else yet.

FriedEggSandwich

no

Lexxypwns wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Nostalgia has a lot to answer for. Everyone just ran around with soft-capped hp, primary resourse and damage type, and nBs sucked *snore*

All of this is false. I don't know of a single, good, non-templar, who stacked health like that. Everyone I know or ran with at the time ran as little health as they could and still survive since stamina and magika management was much more difficult than just healing damage. Also, magika NB was GREAT during 1.5, are you drunk or something?

I'd like to see a rollback to 1.5, but add in some balancing changes (improve stamina to be on par with magika, slightly nerf DK). Honestly, the skill cap in 1.5 was MUCH higher than it is now and there's no way that can be considered a bad thing, even with all the issues in game at the time. Remember when you could play a stam class with 5 ravager 5 eyes of mara and it worked? Or a magika build with whitestrake or arena and it was still viable? Remember when syrabane was a thing?

Nobody stacked health, it just softcapped when you ate food lol. None of it was false, I was generalising from opinion. I had soft capped hp, magicka and spell damage, just like every other magicka build.

FriedEggSandwich

no

Actually I was wrong about stacking health, I had forgotten that back then the meta was stack 62 attributes into hp. It still allowed for soft-capped magicka though. Seriously 1.5 was softcap all the things to be like everyone else.

PainfulFAFA

yes

With certain abilities fixed, for sure.
I'd be willing to rollback to anything at this point

Septimus_Magna

no

1.4 please

FriedEggSandwich

no

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

1.4 please

Wasn't 1.4 the double resto meta? I loved that

RoamingRiverElk

yes

I wish we were given two new servers, one in EU, one in NA, with 1.5.

Maybe give one v16 character fully leveled (except for Alliance War) per account.

v12 warlock ring drop rates restored to such a level that they would be possible to get again for 10k gold. v12 Akaviri Dragonguard sword drop rates restored too.

HoloYoitsu

yes

When with every patch iteration and "balance update", more and more people would rather be playing a previous version of your game, all I can do is look at ZOS and say


I mean, Templars actually had a house back then...

Eventually it'll be too late and instead of looking back and reminiscing about previous versions of ESO, people will just look forward and move to CU because this game will have been 'balanced' into the toilet.

themdogesbite

yes

Even though it's mostly rose tainted nostalgia towards 1.5 id still love to have that back, i had much more fun and could play solo on all classes and really enjoy it, then again i played DK lol.




And theese kinds of deth recaps was happening several times a day.



I miss that patch, i'd prefer 1.4 over 1.5 though, nom nom ground oils!

Lord_Hev

yes

Yes, Yes I would. Game was the most balanced it had ever been. Only thing needed was tweaks and improvements to stam builds and the eventual introduction of vigor.

Derra

no

Let me level a DK or melee mana NB real quick then i´ll vote with yes.

Edit: Oh wait no i still wouldn´t bc i like ranged builds and those did not have a purpose back then.

kevlarto_ESO

I don't think a roll back is needed, put soft caps back in the game, I think would make a big difference in the right direction.

Septimus_Magna

no

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

1.4 please

Wasn't 1.4 the double resto meta? I loved that

Pre-lighting patch and ground-oil like Doggie mentioned ^^

Draxys

yes

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Nostalgia has a lot to answer for. Everyone just ran around with soft-capped hp, primary resourse and damage type, and nBs sucked *snore*

NB didn't suck, you just sucked.

Wollust

yes

At this point I'd take any patch, including 1.6. The current PvP is just unbearable.

themdogesbite

yes

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

1.4 please

Wasn't 1.4 the double resto meta? I loved that

Pre-lighting patch and ground-oil like Doggie mentioned ^^

Pre lightning would 1.2.1 ish ^^

FriedEggSandwich

no

Draxys wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Nostalgia has a lot to answer for. Everyone just ran around with soft-capped hp, primary resourse and damage type, and nBs sucked *snore*

NB didn't suck, you just sucked.

I never played a nb, but I probably sucked anyway. I knew of some decent magicka nbs but in general nbs sucked from what I remember. Not trying to insult nbs, they don't suck now lol.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

yes

As with others voted yes cause I'd be willing to roll back but I'd prefer to go back to previous lighting patch 1.2

Cinnamon_Spider

My answer doesn't matter since I'm already transitioning to another game, but anything would be better than the mess we've had since IC.

Bashev

yes

Even I am willing to pay 30 bucks per month for 1.5 server.

themdogesbite

yes

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Nostalgia has a lot to answer for. Everyone just ran around with soft-capped hp, primary resourse and damage type, and nBs sucked *snore*

NB didn't suck, you just sucked.

I never played a nb, but I probably sucked anyway. I knew of some decent magicka nbs but in general nbs sucked from what I remember. Not trying to insult nbs, they don't suck now lol.

Magicka NBs were incredibly strong in 1.5, it was just that almost noobody knew how to play it. The skilled ones dominated and fear was also the only CC through block at the time and let's not foget that they were capable of over 100% dmg mitigation against magica based skills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzjfAPMLghU

Great example :P

Etaniel

yes

Cody wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Nostalgia has a lot to answer for. Everyone just ran around with soft-capped hp, primary resourse and damage type, and nBs sucked *snore*

All of this is false. I don't know of a single, good, non-templar, who stacked health like that. Everyone I know or ran with at the time ran as little health as they could and still survive since stamina and magika management was much more difficult than just healing damage. Also, magika NB was GREAT during 1.5, are you drunk or something?

I'd like to see a rollback to 1.5, but add in some balancing changes (improve stamina to be on par with magika, slightly nerf DK). Honestly, the skill cap in 1.5 was MUCH higher than it is now and there's no way that can be considered a bad thing, even with all the issues in game at the time. Remember when you could play a stam class with 5 ravager 5 eyes of mara and it worked? Or a magika build with whitestrake or arena and it was still viable? Remember when syrabane was a thing?

not all NBs were mana blades. Stamblades were pretty bad in comparison.

And I'll stop you right there, not just stamblades, ALL stam classes were crap, out of all of them nightblade was the probably the strongest

Blobsky

yes

themdogesbite wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Nostalgia has a lot to answer for. Everyone just ran around with soft-capped hp, primary resourse and damage type, and nBs sucked *snore*

NB didn't suck, you just sucked.

I never played a nb, but I probably sucked anyway. I knew of some decent magicka nbs but in general nbs sucked from what I remember. Not trying to insult nbs, they don't suck now lol.

Magicka NBs were incredibly strong in 1.5, it was just that almost noobody knew how to play it. The skilled ones dominated and fear was also the only CC through block at the time and let's not foget that they were capable of over 100% dmg mitigation against magica based skills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzjfAPMLghU

Great example :P

#Represent

Soris

yes

YES! My snb/2handler stamplar wants it!!!!