Dear PTS testers posting videos of only duels

Rylana · February 2016

Simple request, since yall are over there.

less 1v1, more group spec testing. i dunno run a couple 5v5s or something, even 12v12s, cause honestly testing 1v1 does NOT show us anything substantial for small - medium group play, which the bulk of the playerbase does.

Like< i aint bagging ya for 1v1 right, but yall arent really testing how classes work together or anything, at least not publishing it. So lets see more of that, k?

Iyas · February 2016

Rylana wrote: »

Simple request, since yall are over there.

less 1v1, more group spec testing. i dunno run a couple 5v5s or something, even 12v12s, cause honestly testing 1v1 does NOT show us anything substantial for small - medium group play, which the bulk of the playerbase does.

Like< i aint bagging ya for 1v1 right, but yall arent really testing how classes work together or anything, at least not publishing it. So lets see more of that, k?

Many group guilds wanted to make a 12vs12 testing but now we have a non cp campaign and no one wants to play on it. Blame zos, not the players

Minno · February 2016

Iyas wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Simple request, since yall are over there.

less 1v1, more group spec testing. i dunno run a couple 5v5s or something, even 12v12s, cause honestly testing 1v1 does NOT show us anything substantial for small - medium group play, which the bulk of the playerbase does.

Like< i aint bagging ya for 1v1 right, but yall arent really testing how classes work together or anything, at least not publishing it. So lets see more of that, k?

Many group guilds wanted to make a 12vs12 testing but now we have a non cp campaign and no one wants to play on it. Blame zos, not the players

Lame excuse; do it anyway considering a non-cp camp is going in regardless. The data will benefit the community and show if this is actually a good idea or not.

Iyas · February 2016

Minno wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Simple request, since yall are over there.

less 1v1, more group spec testing. i dunno run a couple 5v5s or something, even 12v12s, cause honestly testing 1v1 does NOT show us anything substantial for small - medium group play, which the bulk of the playerbase does.

Like< i aint bagging ya for 1v1 right, but yall arent really testing how classes work together or anything, at least not publishing it. So lets see more of that, k?

Many group guilds wanted to make a 12vs12 testing but now we have a non cp campaign and no one wants to play on it. Blame zos, not the players

Lame excuse; do it anyway considering a non-cp camp is going in regardless. The data will benefit the community and show if this is actually a good idea or not.

Do it on your NA turn. Most EU players i know didnt even bother to patch the pts client.

nilldax · February 2016

For the first day of EU chars transfered we had around 20(!) players just testing non-CP/dueling/fooling in Cyro. Its in the motto of #bringbackcpcampaign. Some uys from guild wanted test their skills in new enviroment, but with lacking "501", we're forced to re-craft all equipment - just to match our prefernces. In addition - NA players are in even worse situation, when it comes to stats (given purple gear, low foods, weak potions etc.). If you turn CP on, then we can talk about group(zerg)-science.

Minno · February 2016

nilldax wrote: »

For the first day of EU chars transfered we had around 20(!) players just testing non-CP/dueling/fooling in Cyro. Its in the motto of #bringbackcpcampaign. Some uys from guild wanted test their skills in new enviroment, but with lacking "501", we're forced to re-craft all equipment - just to match our prefernces. In addition - NA players are in even worse situation, when it comes to stats (given purple gear, low foods, weak potions etc.). If you turn CP on, then we can talk about group(zerg)-science.

Thank you for testing! I wish NA had a chance to test on our characters but ZOS dropped the ball via their strict test server limitation. What exactly made no-cp bad?

@Iyas NA will be testing it both on templates and toons (if they let us). Just didn't make sense to be negative before trying it out. On paper it seems like it will require a different playstyle/gear setup so using that as a negative is too premature. Though ZOS should have allocated crafting funds for this test.

Didgerion · February 2016

Rylana wrote: »

Simple request, since yall are over there.

less 1v1, more group spec testing. i dunno run a couple 5v5s or something, even 12v12s, cause honestly testing 1v1 does NOT show us anything substantial for small - medium group play, which the bulk of the playerbase does.

Like< i aint bagging ya for 1v1 right, but yall arent really testing how classes work together or anything, at least not publishing it. So lets see more of that, k?

Why don't you jump on PTS server and organize 5v5 fights ...no need to post videos...a written feedback will suffice.

RDMyers65b14_ESO · February 2016

The players on the PTS only seem to want to duel and not PVP test. I was berated on the PTS because I wanted to see the siege changes. Setting up siege interfered with their dueling.

Dragnelus · February 2016

Yeh nobody que for dungeons and if yiu see them in croco its only 1v1 like what? This aint bns it has no meaning testing 1v1

Alucardo · February 2016

Rylana wrote: »

Simple request, since yall are over there.

less 1v1, more group spec testing. i dunno run a couple 5v5s or something, even 12v12s, cause honestly testing 1v1 does NOT show us anything substantial for small - medium group play, which the bulk of the playerbase does.

Like< i aint bagging ya for 1v1 right, but yall arent really testing how classes work together or anything, at least not publishing it. So lets see more of that, k?

u wat? 1v1 me

Lord_Hev · February 2016

I agree. I wanted to try and get some people to Xv1 me to test my DK out, but couldn't get around to it. Now they have this stupid no CP server on PTS -_-

Iyas · February 2016

Minno wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Simple request, since yall are over there.

less 1v1, more group spec testing. i dunno run a couple 5v5s or something, even 12v12s, cause honestly testing 1v1 does NOT show us anything substantial for small - medium group play, which the bulk of the playerbase does.

Like< i aint bagging ya for 1v1 right, but yall arent really testing how classes work together or anything, at least not publishing it. So lets see more of that, k?

Many group guilds wanted to make a 12vs12 testing but now we have a non cp campaign and no one wants to play on it. Blame zos, not the players

Lame excuse; do it anyway considering a non-cp camp is going in regardless. The data will benefit the community and show if this is actually a good idea or not.

want to hear the outcry if this would happen to NA. What is the sense in testing things that dont matter for the live server. Its not like zos listen to feedback or so

Robbmrp · February 2016

The No CP campaign is ALL ABOUT SKILL. If those people can't PVP effectively with NO CP then maybe those people should go play solitaire.........

People were PVPing prior to CP coming out with TESO and weren't whining about it then. Buck up up and go fight in groups to see how it is. I'm NA but will try and get in there with a template tonight.

themdogesbite · February 2016

Robbmrp wrote: »

The No CP campaign is ALL ABOUT SKILL. If those people can't PVP effectively with NO CP then maybe those people should go play solitaire.........

People were PVPing prior to CP coming out with TESO and weren't whining about it then. Buck up up and go fight in groups to see how it is. I'm NA but will try and get in there with a template tonight.

I hope you are also aware that when we had no CP in 1.5 we still had the stats and recovery that got taken from us with the introduction of the CP system.

Robbmrp · February 2016

themdogesbite wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

The No CP campaign is ALL ABOUT SKILL. If those people can't PVP effectively with NO CP then maybe those people should go play solitaire.........

People were PVPing prior to CP coming out with TESO and weren't whining about it then. Buck up up and go fight in groups to see how it is. I'm NA but will try and get in there with a template tonight.

I hope you are also aware that when we had no CP in 1.5 we still had the stats and recovery that got taken from us with the introduction of the CP system.

So.... that's what potions are for....

code65536 · February 2016

Robbmrp wrote: »

The No CP campaign is ALL ABOUT SKILL. If those people can't PVP effectively with NO CP then maybe those people should go play solitaire.........

People were PVPing prior to CP coming out with TESO and weren't whining about it then. Buck up up and go fight in groups to see how it is. I'm NA but will try and get in there with a template tonight.

You don't get it.

With the CP cap and very generous catch-up mechanic, there isn't much of a huge disparity between players any more CP-wise. A fight between two CP501 players is as much about skill as is a fight between two CP0 players.

What does matter is that CP has changed people's builds, particularly when it comes to sustain. With CP, a magicka player might run Kagrenac. Without CP, you might have to switch that out for Seducer's. With the amount of mats and effort people have put into their end-game gear and build, no-CP means nothing more than an expensive hassle of rebuilding. And for what? CP0 vs. CP0 is no more skillful than CP501 vs. CP501.

No-CP campaigns made sense pre-Orsinium, but now it's a solution in search of a problem.

Robbmrp · February 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

The No CP campaign is ALL ABOUT SKILL. If those people can't PVP effectively with NO CP then maybe those people should go play solitaire.........

People were PVPing prior to CP coming out with TESO and weren't whining about it then. Buck up up and go fight in groups to see how it is. I'm NA but will try and get in there with a template tonight.

You don't get it.

With the CP cap and very generous catch-up mechanic, there isn't much of a huge disparity between players any more CP-wise. A fight between two CP501 players is as much about skill as is a fight between two CP0 players.

What does matter is that CP has changed people's builds, particularly when it comes to sustain. With CP, a magicka player might run Kagrenac. Without CP, you might have to switch that out for Seducer's. With the amount of mats and effort people have put into their end-game gear and build, no-CP means nothing more than an expensive hassle of rebuilding. And for what? CP0 vs. CP0 is no more skillful than CP501 vs. CP501.

No-CP campaigns made sense pre-Orsinium, but now it's a solution in search of a problem.

I get what your saying but we still need to test things out regardless of whether we have an exact build this way or that way. Put on what ever sets you can get a hold of and go at it. For those of us on NA, we can't use our characters right now anyway so we have to play a template toon. We aren't going to have our exact build to test with it. I for one would just like to see how it plays with large groups. I'm not talking about balled up zergs, I'm talking about a 20v20v20 with people spread out fighting trying to stay alive. This would be a great challenge for anyone who's looking for one and not worried about CP.

Also there will be tons of people rebuilding their characters as soon as the DLC drops. They all have to update to the new FOTM build then....

strikeback1247 · February 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

The No CP campaign is ALL ABOUT SKILL. If those people can't PVP effectively with NO CP then maybe those people should go play solitaire.........

People were PVPing prior to CP coming out with TESO and weren't whining about it then. Buck up up and go fight in groups to see how it is. I'm NA but will try and get in there with a template tonight.

You don't get it.

With the CP cap and very generous catch-up mechanic, there isn't much of a huge disparity between players any more CP-wise. A fight between two CP501 players is as much about skill as is a fight between two CP0 players.

What does matter is that CP has changed people's builds, particularly when it comes to sustain. With CP, a magicka player might run Kagrenac. Without CP, you might have to switch that out for Seducer's. With the amount of mats and effort people have put into their end-game gear and build, no-CP means nothing more than an expensive hassle of rebuilding. And for what? CP0 vs. CP0 is no more skillful than CP501 vs. CP501.

No-CP campaigns made sense pre-Orsinium, but now it's a solution in search of a problem.

That's why we'll have only 2 no-CP campaigns on live. Gear costs don't matter on the PTS.

ToRelax · February 2016

I tried to test it... failed when I didnt have enough jewelry pieces for a decent set after opening a thousand rewards mails... >_>

Zheg · February 2016

Rylana, 2 people were able to wipe a group of 10 with a simple prox det and ult dump (through block and normal mitigation skills). There's simply not much point in group v group fights, the dmg numbers are so high that it's just a matter of who gets their bomb off first; class and role synergy is an afterthought. DKs will survive with magma armor, sorcs will shield stack, everyone will run harness to stay alive, and nb and temps will stay at range or at the very least only go into melee to get off a prox det and then gtfo.

You can literally send in a few people to prox det suicide into a group with ults and VD and rez them or put down a forward camp when everyone has blown up.