If ZOS doesnt come up with something big, many will go back to WoW

Didgerion · February 2016

They are coming with a big camel mount.... everything is under control.

Lenikus · February 2016

Gothlander wrote: »

Before Legion launches, there needs to be something big like battlegrounds + barbershop + a type of transmog system if they want to prevent me and many, many others from going back to WoW when Legion arrives.

You mean "me, and like, 4 guildies."

Anilahation · February 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

Before Legion launches, there needs to be something big like battlegrounds + barbershop + a type of transmog system if they want to prevent me and many, many others from going back to WoW when Legion arrives.

You mean "me, and like, 4 guildies."

Pretty much my WoW friends were hyped for legion(they don't play ESO) but now they seem are demoarlized.

I mean let's be honest WoW makes you buy the game and subscribe, then they literally gave the players one big patch last year.

ESO you buy once and we've gotten 3 big patches since it went buy to play.(2.0 2.1 and 2.2)

Why would I go play WoW to get milked out of my money and when I complain about no content people tell me dumb things like " have you caught every pet in game, do you own every mount, Why you not mythic???"

I'm sorry but I'll pass, just let the Damn horse die.

VShane · February 2016

Didn't they do a recent CNN special on WoW? It was called " Leroy Jenkins, where are they now?"

Wollust · February 2016

People won't leave for an old MMO. It's more likely to lose players to new ones (which there are a few to be released this year).

SURxR3AL · February 2016

i played WoW from lvl 1 to 3 and stopped NO FUN

Troneon · February 2016

Tried wow once, hated the disneyland poor unrealistic style graphics, gameplay was boring, didn't like the whole buy your way to max level...whole game just came across really cheesy / casual.

Then again I loved Guild Wars 1 but hated Guild Wars 2....

ESO I hate one day, like it then hate it again....mainly because ZOS sucks so bad as a company and is completely incompetent.

Hand_Bacon · February 2016

I became tired of becoming tired waiting, for my hard earned, weekly lock out, raid gear to become obsolete with the next expac. It was all fun and games until kung-fu pandas showed.

Edit: I went back to it briefly after I preordered the last expac because my long time gaming friends were playing. By the time I had leveled my chars up the new levels, the majority that were already there had quit the pvp scene due to class imbalances and I was told the end content wasn't worth doing. Record half-life of an expansion.

Elsonso · February 2016

I played WoW for years.

Ultimately, WoW is a boring game. There just isn't anything to do once you finish the linear story that they want to tell. There is no reason to go back into any old zones. The old zones are finished once you complete them, and you can go back there but there is nothing for you. The only players that you find there are people leveling through those areas, and they won't ever return, and farmers out in the wilderness, and they are gone as soon as the bags are full. The only time cities like Dalaran and Darnassus have a good mix of players, or even more than a handful of people, is during certain holidays when you have to go there to get the holiday achievement. By my estimation, they created a big huge dead world. A couple of them, actually.

ESO is not like WoW. Every day, I see people all over Tamriel. There are people of all levels scattered all over the place. Riften will have Level 5 characters as well as VR 16, and that goes for pretty much every base-level major city in the game. Maybe not everyone can see the reason to go back, but enough do to make the difference. Some of the people are in there farming specific mats, or shopping, but each place is different and players can be attached to a particular city without feeling like they are intruding upon someone else's zone. The ESO world feels much more alive than the WoW world.

This is how an MMORPG should be.

Shadesofkin · February 2016

Nope, no one's going back to WoW.

Florial · February 2016

I think WoW is a GREAT game and have revisited all of their expansions. The third time I returned, I was about 3 expansions behind and had lots of catching up to do. Played it for a year or so and enjoyed most of it until the content became stale. I will go back in several expansions and see it again. I know that I will probably get flamed for this but WoW has done many things right. Personally I enjoy all the side activities---pet/mount collecting, fishing, archeology, achievements, cosmetic clothing, holiday events, etc. I really enjoyed the story of the last expansion. I wish that all gaming companies looked at WoW's success and tried to replicate some of that fun. It may not be a game for everyone but it has so many things going for it. I do think that the graphics, although quite lovely, are showing their age. Still a great game. Take my comments with a grain of salt---I'm the most casual of players, don't have time to raid these days and mostly play games for fun and immersion. I don't take things all that seriously and just try to have fun in my stressful life. I played WoW a few months after launch so have a bit of experience with how the game has evolved over the years. I'm also a bit of an MMO tourist bouncing between many games over the years. I really love experiencing other worlds and seeing what games have to offer.

With that said though, I love ESO and with the Thieves guild coming, won't be tempted to play other offerings. I am a housing junkie though so BDO is mighty tempting to check that out but I have mixed emotions after ArcheAge. I still have so many things to do in ESO so will explore those other gaming options in six months or so if things become stale in ESO. I do believe in my heart that the team is on the right track and will bring new and exciting stuff to us on a frequent basis. I do think that timing is important and they need to have a pretty aggressive schedule.

Uberkull · February 2016

Say what you want about WoW, but if Blizzard found a way to simplify the amount of skills you use and bring it to console, all other MMOs on consoles would be done.

There is so much content, along with established, esport pvp modes...there is a reason its been around for over a decade and still holds over 6 million subs.

dem0n1k · February 2016

I tried WoW when there was a free trial period & it did not hook me at all. The graphics & combat look stupidly goofy.

I tried Blade & Soul... urgh! Super clunky interface.. never seems to remember the graphics settings. Massive queues to get into servers & it loses the binds to my mouse buttons EVERY TIME!@#! Pass on that one too.

I want to play Fallout4 but I am in no rush as it is a purely single player experience... I can do that anytime.

I am still hoping that Visceral Games will do a Dead Space 4... I would totally drop everything to play that!

Other than that it's ESO for me

KallistaBlackheart · February 2016

go back to wow?.....
after ... erm, i lost count, something over six years away. nope. even when i played it was only because i had many friends that did, never jived with the combat system, never liked the graphics, and hated the simplistic nature of everything.. i hear it is even more noobish now.

have fun though. can i have your stuff?

WalkingLegacy · February 2016

Kharnis wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

checking out the repopulation, looks cool.

Thought it got scrapped.

Doesn't appear to have been @technohic
https://www.therepopulation.com/index.php/news/275-the-future-of-the-repopulation

They're scrapping the HERO Engine... something ZOS should have done too but... we've got what we've got.

ZOS is not using Hero Engine. It was only used as a platform to prototype the game while they were developing their own engine. That's why Hero Engine is not given any kind of credit when you launch the game. Why does this rumour keep persisting, despite all the facts out there?

It's not really a rumor, building your own engine off the hero engine is still the hero engine. Their limitations seen in other hero engine games confirms this.

WalkingLegacy · February 2016

Elhanan wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

Before Legion launches, there needs to be something big like battlegrounds + barbershop + a type of transmog system if they want to prevent me and many, many others from going back to WoW when Legion arrives.

People said the same things about ArcheAge and Wildstar when they were released. While some many return to WoW, I can't imagine it making that big of a dent into the ESO community. Each game caters to a different type of player (not to mention WoW requires a sub). Personally, I cringe at the thought of returning to WoW.

That's because these new MMOs releasing are missing half the content and quality of life changes WoW has done. WoW IS the MMO you want to mimic whether you agree or not, it is the only MMO powerhouse in the west.

Now obviously I'm not talking about copying them 'word for word' but new MMOs are failing because they're not releasing a game that is modern and are releasing ideas and content that have failed in other MMOs but aren't learning the lesson.

Gidorick · February 2016

Kharnis wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

checking out the repopulation, looks cool.

Thought it got scrapped.

Doesn't appear to have been @technohic
https://www.therepopulation.com/index.php/news/275-the-future-of-the-repopulation

They're scrapping the HERO Engine... something ZOS should have done too but... we've got what we've got.

ZOS is not using Hero Engine. It was only used as a platform to prototype the game while they were developing their own engine. That's why Hero Engine is not given any kind of credit when you launch the game. Why does this rumour keep persisting, despite all the facts out there?

... yeah I know ZOS created their own engine. But pretty much all the nuts and bolts are the same. I've actually asked quite a few times what ZOS' in-house engine is called. Never a response.

No, it might not be the hero engine but it's "hero engine inspired". I stand by my original statement. ZOS should have scrapped the Hero engine as their "learning tool" and gone with something else.

Zorrashi · February 2016

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Elhanan wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

Before Legion launches, there needs to be something big like battlegrounds + barbershop + a type of transmog system if they want to prevent me and many, many others from going back to WoW when Legion arrives.

People said the same things about ArcheAge and Wildstar when they were released. While some many return to WoW, I can't imagine it making that big of a dent into the ESO community. Each game caters to a different type of player (not to mention WoW requires a sub). Personally, I cringe at the thought of returning to WoW.

That's because these new MMOs releasing are missing half the content and quality of life changes WoW has done. WoW IS the MMO you want to mimic whether you agree or not, it is the only MMO powerhouse in the west.

Now obviously I'm not talking about copying them 'word for word' but new MMOs are failing because they're not releasing a game that is modern and are releasing ideas and content that have failed in other MMOs but aren't learning the lesson.

I thought MMOs are failing precisely because they are trying to copy WoW.

https://youtu.be/VJ56Kia8dTU

cavakthestampede · February 2016

JimT722 wrote: »

Yeah I'm sure most people who play eso couldn't care less about wow. Eso has been doing good with content. The only game likely to pull eso fans away is elder scrolls 6.

Elder Scrolls 6 is slated for 2020 or later. Bethesda has already stated they are supporting Fallout 4 and all of its downloadable content before even beginning work on #6

cavakthestampede · February 2016

bedlom wrote: »

console which like it or not PC heads is the future.

Actually PS5 and XBoxTwo will be the last generation of console gaming that those companies make. They have stated they intend to move into building affordable, powerful PCs for gaming, and individualizing through peripherals and games.

Kammakazi · February 2016

Okay first off, where did you even come up with such a claim and where dem statistics for that claim at?

Gidorick · February 2016

cavakthestampede wrote: »

bedlom wrote: »

console which like it or not PC heads is the future.

Actually PS5 and XBoxTwo will be the last generation of console gaming that those companies make. They have stated they intend to move into building affordable, powerful PCs for gaming, and individualizing through peripherals and games.

Lol. Source?

b92303008rwb17_ESO · February 2016

Gothlander wrote: »

Before Legion launches, there needs to be something big like battlegrounds + barbershop + a type of transmog system if they want to prevent me and many, many others from going back to WoW when Legion arrives.

Most, if not all, veteran WoW players know that they will go back to WoW no matter whether ZOS comes up with something big or not when Legion arrives. But once they reach the level cap and do those dungeons or raids a few times then they will quit again. It has been the case for the past couple of expansions. The current state of WoW is kind of like "you can't teach an old dog new tricks."

WalkingLegacy · February 2016

Zorrashi wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Elhanan wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

Before Legion launches, there needs to be something big like battlegrounds + barbershop + a type of transmog system if they want to prevent me and many, many others from going back to WoW when Legion arrives.

People said the same things about ArcheAge and Wildstar when they were released. While some many return to WoW, I can't imagine it making that big of a dent into the ESO community. Each game caters to a different type of player (not to mention WoW requires a sub). Personally, I cringe at the thought of returning to WoW.

That's because these new MMOs releasing are missing half the content and quality of life changes WoW has done. WoW IS the MMO you want to mimic whether you agree or not, it is the only MMO powerhouse in the west.

Now obviously I'm not talking about copying them 'word for word' but new MMOs are failing because they're not releasing a game that is modern and are releasing ideas and content that have failed in other MMOs but aren't learning the lesson.

I thought MMOs are failing precisely because they are trying to copy WoW.

https://youtu.be/VJ56Kia8dTU

You missed the part where I said copying 'word for word'. Obviously developers need to innovate but WoW has quality of life changes that are missing from so many other recent MMOs.

DannyLV702 · February 2016

This is my first "mmo", so nah...

JamieAubrey · February 2016

If they don't do something BIG I will stick to playing ESO

Mojmir · February 2016

if your going to WoW, bye

ShadowHvo · February 2016

Bye bye! Enjoy the endless apex crystal daily quests!

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · February 2016

People are deluding themselves if they think Legion will be the 'big comeback' WoW has been needing.

Cataclysm was supposed to be the big 'retro comeback' because look, you can visit Stonetalon mountains except its on FIRE! look at Loch Modan the dam's broken! Well that ended as dismally as Deathwing's death via sparkles.

Mists was supposed to be the big 'new comeback' because look we put the WAR back into Warcraft and there's Chinese Pandas because we weren't allowed to add Japanese spins to it because China copyrights the panda! We ended with orc *** causing unnecessary and permanent damage to the environment, because apparently the peaceful but firm race that staved off invasions for 10000 years lets a orc man-baby waltz into their sacred vale and start tearing the place apart.

I already severed ties to WoW last year when my sub expired in December, after over 10 years I reached a point where enough was enough. What am I doing? what am I spending my time on? Farming vegetables and LFR's with braindead people who stand in the fire?

All the faults ESO has, nothing has yet become a dealbreaker for me. I take breaks from time to time from the PVP scene but thats more because of burnout and work than any actual fault with the game. I don't pursue endgame raiding because I had my fill of that in WoW and would prefer to treat PVE ESO more as a single-player game than anything.

I will happily give another 10 years to ESO as long as they keep making the game better and don't degrade it by adding flying mounts and cosmopolitan werewolves, or promising and vaunting content then stripping it away AFTER it was advertised being on the product box itself (I'm looking at you Dance Studio!!!)

WoW is nothing but a Ponzi scheme disguised as a game, trying to draw new players in and pandering to the nostalgia of older players. I honestly doubt the developers sit around the table thinking "How can we make this game awesome?" They sit around thinking "How can we bilk more money out of players?"

MikeB · February 2016

People like me have already quite this horrid game and not directly due to any other game, just because ESO is bad imo. It lacks any balance, end game content, any real challenging content that doesn't involve one shot mechanics and don't get me started on PvP issues. In the opinion of someone that's been playing video games for 25+ years and has played many good and many more bad games, ZOS doesn't know what they're doing.

Say what you want about WoW (no I haven't played it in 4+ years) but at 2 years in it didn't have bugs from BETA like ESO does and they spent less than 5 years to develop where ESO took 7 and its still broken as can be, in my opinion.