DC Fall Damage FTW

KenaPKK

Ghostbane wrote: »

Can't beat Zerg Sundays. But the AP on the minority side was damn fine.

Mmmm my favorite!

Jules

To be fair, the blue hoard was pretty real when we came back to Azuras at 330am last night. DC had the entire ring and was fighting/wiping EP pugs out between Farra and Arrius.

Ghostbane

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I dont think AD has ever taken a keep with less than 30 people. Even at 7AM.

I am exceptionally butthurt by this comment. There was one time our 30th in Raid 2 disconnected before the second flag flipped.

Therefore, technically, it was 29.

Awaiting screenshot for proof

Anyone good with Photoshop? I can only change the colour of my hair..

Zheg

Manoekin wrote: »

I wasn't even making this a thing. Come on.

As for fall damage two things:

1. I did call out other people for using it all that time ago, so I don't see your point there.
2. You may not have intended for it to happen, but we both know there's no possible way to avoid it. There wasn't a single fight where someone in my group didn't die from fall damage, and it was used against us on stairs simply because fighting takes place around stair cases. Not that you guys intended for that to happen, but that's just the way the skill works currently. The only way to avoid it was to just not use the skill which is what was happening until it became the adopted ultimate of the entire DC faction, though now maybe only half use it.

Also, find one post from me where I advocated for purge or barrier nerfs prior to them becoming known. The only instance I can think of was agreeing with nerfing the Efficient Purge morph as it's so easily usable by anyone of any build. The changes were going to happen regardless of what I believed (and they did). I agree only that change was necessary, but I can see the proposed numbers being drastic and maybe going too far.

There have been so many good pvpers hopping on the bandwagon and making poor/disappointing comments about some of the more dumb changes brian is pushing through that I'll apologize in advance if I'm wrong, but from what I can remember you were pretty supportive of barrier being capped to 6 and siege being stupid, two of the biggest changes coming in the new meta. We don't have to agree on whether those changes are good or not (and probably won't), but when one of the most prominent pvpers and raid leads in NA supports (or at the very least doesn't disagree with) the proposed changes, then yes, you helped make that meta happen. Maybe it was others, but I remember you being supportive of the barrier cap to 6 in guild chat, so I'd imagine that's the same reaction zos got in that meeting. Again, my bad if I'm thinking of someone else, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

As far as all of DC using it, it's flabbergasting to watch yellow say moronic things like 've told all of dc to run it', 'now all of dc is running it because ve started to, thanks obama VE'. The day we can get CN to do anything we ask given the history and drama is the day that wrobel finally gets his act together. Your previous post pretty much said, "well, there was a fight where we died to fall damage from a few of you, so expect ridiculous comments and salt any time we see a single meteor in cyrodiil now".

Manoekin wrote: »

accusations will probably fly around about it for a while because of recent past experiences. I know what actually happened just saying you should expect it

Sorry, that's dumb, and accusations are more salt at that point than reality, yesterday being a prime example.

I'd also point out to all of the geniuses that not everyone likes everyone on the opposite alliances. I can think of tons of blue that have a bone to pick with yellow for the stacked raids that push north. When salt has reached levels where you get angry about your own reflected meteors, what do you think the blue troll types are going to want to do? Slot meteor maybe?

Manoekin

Zheg wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I wasn't even making this a thing. Come on.

As for fall damage two things:

1. I did call out other people for using it all that time ago, so I don't see your point there.
2. You may not have intended for it to happen, but we both know there's no possible way to avoid it. There wasn't a single fight where someone in my group didn't die from fall damage, and it was used against us on stairs simply because fighting takes place around stair cases. Not that you guys intended for that to happen, but that's just the way the skill works currently. The only way to avoid it was to just not use the skill which is what was happening until it became the adopted ultimate of the entire DC faction, though now maybe only half use it.

Also, find one post from me where I advocated for purge or barrier nerfs prior to them becoming known. The only instance I can think of was agreeing with nerfing the Efficient Purge morph as it's so easily usable by anyone of any build. The changes were going to happen regardless of what I believed (and they did). I agree only that change was necessary, but I can see the proposed numbers being drastic and maybe going too far.

There have been so many good pvpers hopping on the bandwagon and making poor/disappointing comments about some of the more dumb changes brian is pushing through that I'll apologize in advance if I'm wrong, but from what I can remember you were pretty supportive of barrier being capped to 6 and siege being stupid, two of the biggest changes coming in the new meta. We don't have to agree on whether those changes are good or not (and probably won't), but when one of the most prominent pvpers and raid leads in NA supports (or at the very least doesn't disagree with) the proposed changes, then yes, you helped make that meta happen. Maybe it was others, but I remember you being supportive of the barrier cap to 6 in guild chat, so I'd imagine that's the same reaction zos got in that meeting. Again, my bad if I'm thinking of someone else, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

As far as all of DC using it, it's flabbergasting to watch yellow say moronic things like 've told all of dc to run it', 'now all of dc is running it because ve started to, thanks obama VE'. The day we can get CN to do anything we ask given the history and drama is the day that wrobel finally gets his act together. Your previous post pretty much said, "well, there was a fight where we died to fall damage from a few of you, so expect ridiculous comments and salt any time we see a single meteor in cyrodiil now".

Manoekin wrote: »

accusations will probably fly around about it for a while because of recent past experiences. I know what actually happened just saying you should expect it

Sorry, that's dumb, and accusations are more salt at that point than reality, yesterday being a prime example.

I'd also point out to all of the geniuses that not everyone likes everyone on the opposite alliances. I can think of tons of blue that have a bone to pick with yellow for the stacked raids that push north. When salt has reached levels where you get angry about your own reflected meteors, what do you think the blue troll types are going to want to do? Slot meteor maybe?

Brian has nothing to do with barrier, and from what I understood siege effects were going to be purgeable. I can deal with siege damage because I've dealt with it before. The resource drain will be an issue. We'll see how it plays out first. It's gonna be sucky, but I'm not calling the end of the world yet. Thank you for the apology. There's a difference between pushing for something and being supportive of it after the fact. This was something ZOS did based on feedback from people other than myself. If they listened to just me it wouldn't have happened or at least not as drastic as the changes are. Last bit on this subject... when they're changing something they're changing it. The end.

Now, where am I or other people saying VE told all of DC to run meteor? The first group I noticed doing it was Harlocke. I don't know what happened, but it spread like *** wildfire on DC.

Now the bolded part... it doesn't matter if it's dumb. I'm telling you. I'm not accusing you. I'm telling you to expect that kind of stuff. I don't know why you're upset about that and arguing about it. This literally makes no sense.

Elong

Honestly for the half hour or so I was on last night, which was around the Farra siege, there were just as many if not more EP. They just don't know how to push back and get on the attack at that time of night.

EP definitely wasn't zerged. Whether or not DC felt the need to try and take that keep despite being keen to leave those unsieged in the past is merely up to them. There's no rulebook covering it, but VE have traditionally left Farra and KC alone in the past. Used to be Arrius too.

Not a call out, merely an observation, the game's the game.

Satiar

Elong wrote: »

Honestly for the half hour or so I was on last night, which was around the Farra siege, there were just as many if not more EP. They just don't know how to push back and get on the attack at that time of night.

EP definitely wasn't zerged. Whether or not DC felt the need to try and take that keep despite being keen to leave those unsieged in the past is merely up to them. There's no rulebook covering it, but VE have traditionally left Farra and KC alone in the past. Used to be Arrius too.

Not a call out, merely an observation, the game's the game.

This is true.

We made one serious push for Farra. Was fun outside, wiped AD on the inside but got stuck on that 3rd floor choke and the rest is history

EP had a good number on, that was the only reason we were really up that late. We usually log when action ends, but Pact Militia had ALOT of people on. They had 3 raids at Bleakers, so we thought we would stay on to fight them some more.

Ghost-Shot

Manoekin wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LMAO. 4 am pop locked pvdooring the map. You want everyone to leave Azura? Keep it up.

Bro, as you posted that, there is a raid of EP front dooring Arrius.

They came down on BRK hard and with a vengeance...that was at least 30, probably closer to 40 of them.

Ya. The funny thing is DC has emp and BRK was the only non DC emp keep. Do they push West with their zerg or South. The answer is.........

Double team AD!!!!

FFS. For a solid 3+ hours during primetime, the only red and yellow action in that corridor was BRK mine going yellow by a few pugs and then it being untouched. It'd be one thing if I was exaggerating, but alas, that's what the map looked like. We fended off both alliances while they stacked for most fights and came close to losing our scrolls. People sound like they should be wearing a helmet 24/7 when they complain about being double teamed as if they didn't just do it hours before themselves. Yellow has made plays exactly like the one you're making fun of red for plenty of times. Literally the day before we had to put up with crown emp and the glory zerg that comes with that, but suddenly only blue is the problem?

As for the meteor, yellow got salty and accused us of dumping meteors on flat ground at brindle like it was some morale fopaux, a single meteor was dropped on our end, the remaining 10 or so were dropped by yellow and reflected. This is the level of absurdity that you guys are at right now. Do we need to record every single fight now to show you how ridiculous some of the salt is?

These threads could MAYBE be taken seriously if they were about the stupid emp system as a whole and not a salty thread when your alliance isn't the one with more numbers or winning at that exact moment. Seriously, do we need one of these salt threads on a daily basis? I've died plenty of times to yellow fall damage, from pugs and raids. Everyone needs to grow the eff up.

I agree with what you said, but just to touch on the bolded part... accusations will probably fly around about it for a while because of recent past experiences. I know what actually happened just saying you should expect it. I liken it to the whole Crownzerg nonsense. Crown hasn't lead more raids than I can count on one hand in the last few months, and even gets hate whispers from people in fights he's not even at.

We ran 10 meteors in group for 1 night, and now people are acting as though its something they experience every time they fight us.

Teargrants

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LMAO. 4 am pop locked pvdooring the map. You want everyone to leave Azura? Keep it up.

Bro, as you posted that, there is a raid of EP front dooring Arrius.

They came down on BRK hard and with a vengeance...that was at least 30, probably closer to 40 of them.

Ya. The funny thing is DC has emp and BRK was the only non DC emp keep. Do they push West with their zerg or South. The answer is.........

Double team AD!!!!

FFS. For a solid 3+ hours during primetime, the only red and yellow action in that corridor was BRK mine going yellow by a few pugs and then it being untouched. It'd be one thing if I was exaggerating, but alas, that's what the map looked like. We fended off both alliances while they stacked for most fights and came close to losing our scrolls. People sound like they should be wearing a helmet 24/7 when they complain about being double teamed as if they didn't just do it hours before themselves. Yellow has made plays exactly like the one you're making fun of red for plenty of times. Literally the day before we had to put up with crown emp and the glory zerg that comes with that, but suddenly only blue is the problem?

As for the meteor, yellow got salty and accused us of dumping meteors on flat ground at brindle like it was some morale fopaux, a single meteor was dropped on our end, the remaining 10 or so were dropped by yellow and reflected. This is the level of absurdity that you guys are at right now. Do we need to record every single fight now to show you how ridiculous some of the salt is?

These threads could MAYBE be taken seriously if they were about the stupid emp system as a whole and not a salty thread when your alliance isn't the one with more numbers or winning at that exact moment. Seriously, do we need one of these salt threads on a daily basis? I've died plenty of times to yellow fall damage, from pugs and raids. Everyone needs to grow the eff up.

I agree with what you said, but just to touch on the bolded part... accusations will probably fly around about it for a while because of recent past experiences. I know what actually happened just saying you should expect it. I liken it to the whole Crownzerg nonsense. Crown hasn't lead more raids than I can count on one hand in the last few months, and even gets hate whispers from people in fights he's not even at.

We ran 10 meteors in group for 1 night, and now people are acting as though its something they experience every time they fight us.

Lies! I've been leading Haxus raids against VE (Hek can vouche for me) all week, and all VE does is spam meteor. They even dropped barrier to make room for more meteors.

Truly disgusting.

Manoekin

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LMAO. 4 am pop locked pvdooring the map. You want everyone to leave Azura? Keep it up.

Bro, as you posted that, there is a raid of EP front dooring Arrius.

They came down on BRK hard and with a vengeance...that was at least 30, probably closer to 40 of them.

Ya. The funny thing is DC has emp and BRK was the only non DC emp keep. Do they push West with their zerg or South. The answer is.........

Double team AD!!!!

FFS. For a solid 3+ hours during primetime, the only red and yellow action in that corridor was BRK mine going yellow by a few pugs and then it being untouched. It'd be one thing if I was exaggerating, but alas, that's what the map looked like. We fended off both alliances while they stacked for most fights and came close to losing our scrolls. People sound like they should be wearing a helmet 24/7 when they complain about being double teamed as if they didn't just do it hours before themselves. Yellow has made plays exactly like the one you're making fun of red for plenty of times. Literally the day before we had to put up with crown emp and the glory zerg that comes with that, but suddenly only blue is the problem?

As for the meteor, yellow got salty and accused us of dumping meteors on flat ground at brindle like it was some morale fopaux, a single meteor was dropped on our end, the remaining 10 or so were dropped by yellow and reflected. This is the level of absurdity that you guys are at right now. Do we need to record every single fight now to show you how ridiculous some of the salt is?

These threads could MAYBE be taken seriously if they were about the stupid emp system as a whole and not a salty thread when your alliance isn't the one with more numbers or winning at that exact moment. Seriously, do we need one of these salt threads on a daily basis? I've died plenty of times to yellow fall damage, from pugs and raids. Everyone needs to grow the eff up.

I agree with what you said, but just to touch on the bolded part... accusations will probably fly around about it for a while because of recent past experiences. I know what actually happened just saying you should expect it. I liken it to the whole Crownzerg nonsense. Crown hasn't lead more raids than I can count on one hand in the last few months, and even gets hate whispers from people in fights he's not even at.

We ran 10 meteors in group for 1 night, and now people are acting as though its something they experience every time they fight us.

I've experienced it more than once over multiple nights. Please don't take other people for complete idiots. If you didn't want the reputation you should have never done it once even.

Satiar

Manoekin wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LMAO. 4 am pop locked pvdooring the map. You want everyone to leave Azura? Keep it up.

Bro, as you posted that, there is a raid of EP front dooring Arrius.

They came down on BRK hard and with a vengeance...that was at least 30, probably closer to 40 of them.

Ya. The funny thing is DC has emp and BRK was the only non DC emp keep. Do they push West with their zerg or South. The answer is.........

Double team AD!!!!

FFS. For a solid 3+ hours during primetime, the only red and yellow action in that corridor was BRK mine going yellow by a few pugs and then it being untouched. It'd be one thing if I was exaggerating, but alas, that's what the map looked like. We fended off both alliances while they stacked for most fights and came close to losing our scrolls. People sound like they should be wearing a helmet 24/7 when they complain about being double teamed as if they didn't just do it hours before themselves. Yellow has made plays exactly like the one you're making fun of red for plenty of times. Literally the day before we had to put up with crown emp and the glory zerg that comes with that, but suddenly only blue is the problem?

As for the meteor, yellow got salty and accused us of dumping meteors on flat ground at brindle like it was some morale fopaux, a single meteor was dropped on our end, the remaining 10 or so were dropped by yellow and reflected. This is the level of absurdity that you guys are at right now. Do we need to record every single fight now to show you how ridiculous some of the salt is?

These threads could MAYBE be taken seriously if they were about the stupid emp system as a whole and not a salty thread when your alliance isn't the one with more numbers or winning at that exact moment. Seriously, do we need one of these salt threads on a daily basis? I've died plenty of times to yellow fall damage, from pugs and raids. Everyone needs to grow the eff up.

I agree with what you said, but just to touch on the bolded part... accusations will probably fly around about it for a while because of recent past experiences. I know what actually happened just saying you should expect it. I liken it to the whole Crownzerg nonsense. Crown hasn't lead more raids than I can count on one hand in the last few months, and even gets hate whispers from people in fights he's not even at.

We ran 10 meteors in group for 1 night, and now people are acting as though its something they experience every time they fight us.

I've experienced it more than once over multiple nights. Please don't take other people for complete idiots. If you didn't want the reputation you should have never done it once even.

Eh, whatever. I noticed when Haxus went back to bats . And the meteors may still come back if the next meta is as burst oriented as I fear. The Zerg Must Adapt!

But srsly, i don't care as much as I used to. At this point simply having a well-organized raid makes us bogeymen and convenient scapegoats for everything, so meh.

Manoekin

Satiar wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LMAO. 4 am pop locked pvdooring the map. You want everyone to leave Azura? Keep it up.

Bro, as you posted that, there is a raid of EP front dooring Arrius.

They came down on BRK hard and with a vengeance...that was at least 30, probably closer to 40 of them.

Ya. The funny thing is DC has emp and BRK was the only non DC emp keep. Do they push West with their zerg or South. The answer is.........

Double team AD!!!!

FFS. For a solid 3+ hours during primetime, the only red and yellow action in that corridor was BRK mine going yellow by a few pugs and then it being untouched. It'd be one thing if I was exaggerating, but alas, that's what the map looked like. We fended off both alliances while they stacked for most fights and came close to losing our scrolls. People sound like they should be wearing a helmet 24/7 when they complain about being double teamed as if they didn't just do it hours before themselves. Yellow has made plays exactly like the one you're making fun of red for plenty of times. Literally the day before we had to put up with crown emp and the glory zerg that comes with that, but suddenly only blue is the problem?

As for the meteor, yellow got salty and accused us of dumping meteors on flat ground at brindle like it was some morale fopaux, a single meteor was dropped on our end, the remaining 10 or so were dropped by yellow and reflected. This is the level of absurdity that you guys are at right now. Do we need to record every single fight now to show you how ridiculous some of the salt is?

These threads could MAYBE be taken seriously if they were about the stupid emp system as a whole and not a salty thread when your alliance isn't the one with more numbers or winning at that exact moment. Seriously, do we need one of these salt threads on a daily basis? I've died plenty of times to yellow fall damage, from pugs and raids. Everyone needs to grow the eff up.

I agree with what you said, but just to touch on the bolded part... accusations will probably fly around about it for a while because of recent past experiences. I know what actually happened just saying you should expect it. I liken it to the whole Crownzerg nonsense. Crown hasn't lead more raids than I can count on one hand in the last few months, and even gets hate whispers from people in fights he's not even at.

We ran 10 meteors in group for 1 night, and now people are acting as though its something they experience every time they fight us.

I've experienced it more than once over multiple nights. Please don't take other people for complete idiots. If you didn't want the reputation you should have never done it once even.

Eh, whatever. I noticed when Haxus went back to bats . And the meteors may still come back if the next meta is as burst oriented as I fear. The Zerg Must Adapt!

But srsly, i don't care as much as I used to. At this point simply having a well-organized raid makes us bogeymen and convenient scapegoats for everything, so meh.

Pretty much.

Darnathian

Sharee wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Want to thank DC for bringing back the meteor fall damage. Much appreciated.

It's a closely kept secret of the covenant spellcrafters. No other alliance's meteors cause fall damage - only ours

No others do now on all alliances, but a certain DC guild started it all up again. Grats. Back to the dark age.


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Darnathian

Teargrants wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LMAO. 4 am pop locked pvdooring the map. You want everyone to leave Azura? Keep it up.

Bro, as you posted that, there is a raid of EP front dooring Arrius.

Im AD.

Exactly, and now I'm left to wonder if the point you're trying to make is "I'm AD so you can't expect me to know if you're fighting reds or pvdooring them."

Making me quite confused why you made the pvdoor claim in the first place.

I made that comment because as i made the thread because i logged back in at 3-4 am est or something and dc had emp, which as i told Satiar i dont really care. but it was laughable that dc had 2 full raids still pushing us to our gates. EP had a group of like 35 following each other around and instead of pushing Chal and going West, they went South. lol


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Satiar

Kirsi has had ice comet since forever. Not a lot of AOE damage ultis for a sorc if you aren't vampire.

Darnathian

Hektik_V wrote: »

A lot of DC that complained about me using meteor have now slotted it themselves.

Yes they did. thank you for stop using it. I spoke with Satiar. He told me why they did it. They were testing something. I wont betray his confidence. The reason was legit and to be honest genious. unfortunately we have the damn fall damage bug

But its too late now. Others have slotted now and it bas spread like wild fire. Trust me. everytime i see fall damage i get the urge to slot it.

Darnathian

Zheg wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LMAO. 4 am pop locked pvdooring the map. You want everyone to leave Azura? Keep it up.

Bro, as you posted that, there is a raid of EP front dooring Arrius.

They came down on BRK hard and with a vengeance...that was at least 30, probably closer to 40 of them.

Ya. The funny thing is DC has emp and BRK was the only non DC emp keep. Do they push West with their zerg or South. The answer is.........

Double team AD!!!!

FFS. For a solid 3+ hours during primetime, the only red and yellow action in that corridor was BRK mine going yellow by a few pugs and then it being untouched. It'd be one thing if I was exaggerating, but alas, that's what the map looked like. We fended off both alliances while they stacked for most fights and came close to losing our scrolls. People sound like they should be wearing a helmet 24/7 when they complain about being double teamed as if they didn't just do it hours before themselves. Yellow has made plays exactly like the one you're making fun of red for plenty of times. Literally the day before we had to put up with crown emp and the glory zerg that comes with that, but suddenly only blue is the problem?

As for the meteor, yellow got salty and accused us of dumping meteors on flat ground at brindle like it was some morale faux pas, a single meteor was dropped on our end, the remaining 10 or so were dropped by yellow and reflected. This is the level of absurdity that you guys are at right now. Do we need to record every single fight now to show you how ridiculous some of the salt is?

These threads could MAYBE be taken seriously if they were about the stupid emp system as a whole and not a salty thread when your alliance isn't the one with more numbers or winning at that exact moment. Seriously, do we need one of these salt threads on a daily basis? I've died plenty of times to yellow fall damage, from pugs and raids. Everyone needs to grow the eff up.

This thread is about fall damage. You want to there then fine. Your guild started it up again. i might have seen one fall damage a night. Now its every engagement. who cares if you have one person using it now? damage is done. its contageous. gg

Darnathian

Zheg wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LMAO. 4 am pop locked pvdooring the map. You want everyone to leave Azura? Keep it up.

Bro, as you posted that, there is a raid of EP front dooring Arrius.

They came down on BRK hard and with a vengeance...that was at least 30, probably closer to 40 of them.

Ya. The funny thing is DC has emp and BRK was the only non DC emp keep. Do they push West with their zerg or South. The answer is.........

Double team AD!!!!

FFS. For a solid 3+ hours during primetime, the only red and yellow action in that corridor was BRK mine going yellow by a few pugs and then it being untouched. It'd be one thing if I was exaggerating, but alas, that's what the map looked like. We fended off both alliances while they stacked for most fights and came close to losing our scrolls. People sound like they should be wearing a helmet 24/7 when they complain about being double teamed as if they didn't just do it hours before themselves. Yellow has made plays exactly like the one you're making fun of red for plenty of times. Literally the day before we had to put up with crown emp and the glory zerg that comes with that, but suddenly only blue is the problem?

As for the meteor, yellow got salty and accused us of dumping meteors on flat ground at brindle like it was some morale fopaux, a single meteor was dropped on our end, the remaining 10 or so were dropped by yellow and reflected. This is the level of absurdity that you guys are at right now. Do we need to record every single fight now to show you how ridiculous some of the salt is?

These threads could MAYBE be taken seriously if they were about the stupid emp system as a whole and not a salty thread when your alliance isn't the one with more numbers or winning at that exact moment. Seriously, do we need one of these salt threads on a daily basis? I've died plenty of times to yellow fall damage, from pugs and raids. Everyone needs to grow the eff up.

I agree with what you said, but just to touch on the bolded part... accusations will probably fly around about it for a while because of recent past experiences. I know what actually happened just saying you should expect it. I liken it to the whole Crownzerg nonsense. Crown hasn't lead more raids than I can count on one hand in the last few months, and even gets hate whispers from people in fights he's not even at.

Has nothing to do with him leading them - he's emp, there's 1-2 pvp guilds with him, and all of the pugs that the emp attracts, particularly on yellow. So, glory zerg, and typically worse than whatever daniel could muster, which is ironic given all of the crap thrown at him for it. For all I know crown is just running to ash and 60 yellow are following on their own accord, but as an opposing player, it doesn't negate the fact that we still have to deal with it.

I loathe the emperor system in its current form - the drama, the stacking, the night capping, the funneling to objectives ... and yet people still go bananas over it.

And again, on the meteor, I feel like I've been maybe the most vocal proponent of fixing fall damage over the past 4+ months. It started with haxus doing it on inner stairs for every defense, and recently seems to have popped up because you guys had a few deaths to fall damage from our raid during one fight (that I wasn't there for) and now it's suddenly become a pressing issue when it wasn't one 4+ months ago? When meteors are used by us, it's because we're experimenting with new ults and strategies because of a poor incoming meta that you yourself helped push for. When you see us waiting on stairs to meteor, let me know and I'll get cranky with the appropriate parties, but until then the salt is just that, salt.

Omg have you really convinced yourself thats okay? You want to test go to the, wait for it, Test Server.

Also your testing was not thorough. It is not just stairs. any uneven surface can can cause it. which is a lot of cyr.

Darnathian

Zheg wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I wasn't even making this a thing. Come on.

As for fall damage two things:

1. I did call out other people for using it all that time ago, so I don't see your point there.
2. You may not have intended for it to happen, but we both know there's no possible way to avoid it. There wasn't a single fight where someone in my group didn't die from fall damage, and it was used against us on stairs simply because fighting takes place around stair cases. Not that you guys intended for that to happen, but that's just the way the skill works currently. The only way to avoid it was to just not use the skill which is what was happening until it became the adopted ultimate of the entire DC faction, though now maybe only half use it.

Also, find one post from me where I advocated for purge or barrier nerfs prior to them becoming known. The only instance I can think of was agreeing with nerfing the Efficient Purge morph as it's so easily usable by anyone of any build. The changes were going to happen regardless of what I believed (and they did). I agree only that change was necessary, but I can see the proposed numbers being drastic and maybe going too far.

There have been so many good pvpers hopping on the bandwagon and making poor/disappointing comments about some of the more dumb changes brian is pushing through that I'll apologize in advance if I'm wrong, but from what I can remember you were pretty supportive of barrier being capped to 6 and siege being stupid, two of the biggest changes coming in the new meta. We don't have to agree on whether those changes are good or not (and probably won't), but when one of the most prominent pvpers and raid leads in NA supports (or at the very least doesn't disagree with) the proposed changes, then yes, you helped make that meta happen. Maybe it was others, but I remember you being supportive of the barrier cap to 6 in guild chat, so I'd imagine that's the same reaction zos got in that meeting. Again, my bad if I'm thinking of someone else, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

As far as all of DC using it, it's flabbergasting to watch yellow say moronic things like 've told all of dc to run it', 'now all of dc is running it because ve started to, thanks obama VE'. The day we can get CN to do anything we ask given the history and drama is the day that wrobel finally gets his act together. Your previous post pretty much said, "well, there was a fight where we died to fall damage from a few of you, so expect ridiculous comments and salt any time we see a single meteor in cyrodiil now".

Manoekin wrote: »

accusations will probably fly around about it for a while because of recent past experiences. I know what actually happened just saying you should expect it

Sorry, that's dumb, and accusations are more salt at that point than reality, yesterday being a prime example.

I'd also point out to all of the geniuses that not everyone likes everyone on the opposite alliances. I can think of tons of blue that have a bone to pick with yellow for the stacked raids that push north. When salt has reached levels where you get angry about your own reflected meteors, what do you think the blue troll types are going to want to do? Slot meteor maybe?

Omg. bine to pick with yellow? You must not remember Brandon or CN. CN did if for almost a year. Even before you all all switched. Which i still dont understand. They had a horde every night. they just werent very good yet.

Satiar

Darnathian wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LMAO. 4 am pop locked pvdooring the map. You want everyone to leave Azura? Keep it up.

Bro, as you posted that, there is a raid of EP front dooring Arrius.

They came down on BRK hard and with a vengeance...that was at least 30, probably closer to 40 of them.

Ya. The funny thing is DC has emp and BRK was the only non DC emp keep. Do they push West with their zerg or South. The answer is.........

Double team AD!!!!

FFS. For a solid 3+ hours during primetime, the only red and yellow action in that corridor was BRK mine going yellow by a few pugs and then it being untouched. It'd be one thing if I was exaggerating, but alas, that's what the map looked like. We fended off both alliances while they stacked for most fights and came close to losing our scrolls. People sound like they should be wearing a helmet 24/7 when they complain about being double teamed as if they didn't just do it hours before themselves. Yellow has made plays exactly like the one you're making fun of red for plenty of times. Literally the day before we had to put up with crown emp and the glory zerg that comes with that, but suddenly only blue is the problem?

As for the meteor, yellow got salty and accused us of dumping meteors on flat ground at brindle like it was some morale fopaux, a single meteor was dropped on our end, the remaining 10 or so were dropped by yellow and reflected. This is the level of absurdity that you guys are at right now. Do we need to record every single fight now to show you how ridiculous some of the salt is?

These threads could MAYBE be taken seriously if they were about the stupid emp system as a whole and not a salty thread when your alliance isn't the one with more numbers or winning at that exact moment. Seriously, do we need one of these salt threads on a daily basis? I've died plenty of times to yellow fall damage, from pugs and raids. Everyone needs to grow the eff up.

I agree with what you said, but just to touch on the bolded part... accusations will probably fly around about it for a while because of recent past experiences. I know what actually happened just saying you should expect it. I liken it to the whole Crownzerg nonsense. Crown hasn't lead more raids than I can count on one hand in the last few months, and even gets hate whispers from people in fights he's not even at.

Has nothing to do with him leading them - he's emp, there's 1-2 pvp guilds with him, and all of the pugs that the emp attracts, particularly on yellow. So, glory zerg, and typically worse than whatever daniel could muster, which is ironic given all of the crap thrown at him for it. For all I know crown is just running to ash and 60 yellow are following on their own accord, but as an opposing player, it doesn't negate the fact that we still have to deal with it.

I loathe the emperor system in its current form - the drama, the stacking, the night capping, the funneling to objectives ... and yet people still go bananas over it.

And again, on the meteor, I feel like I've been maybe the most vocal proponent of fixing fall damage over the past 4+ months. It started with haxus doing it on inner stairs for every defense, and recently seems to have popped up because you guys had a few deaths to fall damage from our raid during one fight (that I wasn't there for) and now it's suddenly become a pressing issue when it wasn't one 4+ months ago? When meteors are used by us, it's because we're experimenting with new ults and strategies because of a poor incoming meta that you yourself helped push for. When you see us waiting on stairs to meteor, let me know and I'll get cranky with the appropriate parties, but until then the salt is just that, salt.

Omg have you really convinced yourself thats okay? You want to test go to the, wait for it, Test Server.

Also your testing was not thorough. It is not just stairs. any uneven surface can can cause it. which is a lot of cyr.

Any strat for competitive play must be tested on live severs in love situations. Pretty much everyone is back to thier regular ult rotations and have been for some time. But all theorycrafting must be live tested to see if it's effective in competitive environments. When I'm testing new armor or builds or sets I'll do it when fighting groups that matter

TBH a lot more people will be running meteor next patch, on all factions. With reduced mitigation options I think we'll see a lot more groups trying to get off ranged bombs and the like. Pact Militia has done it to us for ages, they'd rather trying standing at range with bombard and meteors than get into our prox dets. M12 is partial to it too, among other AD groups.

The idea that we used it a bit and than the whole server started using it rings weak with me. No one asks us anything, no one communicates strats. If DC were really this good at observing top guilds play and formulating their own effective strategies based off that, DC would be an unbeatable juggernaut.

But that doesn't really describe DC so what gives?

Satiar

Darnathian wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I wasn't even making this a thing. Come on.

As for fall damage two things:

1. I did call out other people for using it all that time ago, so I don't see your point there.
2. You may not have intended for it to happen, but we both know there's no possible way to avoid it. There wasn't a single fight where someone in my group didn't die from fall damage, and it was used against us on stairs simply because fighting takes place around stair cases. Not that you guys intended for that to happen, but that's just the way the skill works currently. The only way to avoid it was to just not use the skill which is what was happening until it became the adopted ultimate of the entire DC faction, though now maybe only half use it.

Also, find one post from me where I advocated for purge or barrier nerfs prior to them becoming known. The only instance I can think of was agreeing with nerfing the Efficient Purge morph as it's so easily usable by anyone of any build. The changes were going to happen regardless of what I believed (and they did). I agree only that change was necessary, but I can see the proposed numbers being drastic and maybe going too far.

There have been so many good pvpers hopping on the bandwagon and making poor/disappointing comments about some of the more dumb changes brian is pushing through that I'll apologize in advance if I'm wrong, but from what I can remember you were pretty supportive of barrier being capped to 6 and siege being stupid, two of the biggest changes coming in the new meta. We don't have to agree on whether those changes are good or not (and probably won't), but when one of the most prominent pvpers and raid leads in NA supports (or at the very least doesn't disagree with) the proposed changes, then yes, you helped make that meta happen. Maybe it was others, but I remember you being supportive of the barrier cap to 6 in guild chat, so I'd imagine that's the same reaction zos got in that meeting. Again, my bad if I'm thinking of someone else, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

As far as all of DC using it, it's flabbergasting to watch yellow say moronic things like 've told all of dc to run it', 'now all of dc is running it because ve started to, thanks obama VE'. The day we can get CN to do anything we ask given the history and drama is the day that wrobel finally gets his act together. Your previous post pretty much said, "well, there was a fight where we died to fall damage from a few of you, so expect ridiculous comments and salt any time we see a single meteor in cyrodiil now".

Manoekin wrote: »

accusations will probably fly around about it for a while because of recent past experiences. I know what actually happened just saying you should expect it

Sorry, that's dumb, and accusations are more salt at that point than reality, yesterday being a prime example.

I'd also point out to all of the geniuses that not everyone likes everyone on the opposite alliances. I can think of tons of blue that have a bone to pick with yellow for the stacked raids that push north. When salt has reached levels where you get angry about your own reflected meteors, what do you think the blue troll types are going to want to do? Slot meteor maybe?

Omg. bine to pick with yellow? You must not remember Brandon or CN. CN did if for almost a year. Even before you all all switched. Which i still dont understand. They had a horde every night. they just werent very good yet.

Yellow has had plenty of zergs. There's lots of room for hard feelings rolling that direction.

mchermie

Satiar wrote: »

Yellow has had plenty of zergs. There's lots of room for hard feelings rolling that direction.

Haderus is swarming with yellow zergs atm.

Mojmir

Darnathian

Satiar wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LMAO. 4 am pop locked pvdooring the map. You want everyone to leave Azura? Keep it up.

Bro, as you posted that, there is a raid of EP front dooring Arrius.

They came down on BRK hard and with a vengeance...that was at least 30, probably closer to 40 of them.

Ya. The funny thing is DC has emp and BRK was the only non DC emp keep. Do they push West with their zerg or South. The answer is.........

Double team AD!!!!

FFS. For a solid 3+ hours during primetime, the only red and yellow action in that corridor was BRK mine going yellow by a few pugs and then it being untouched. It'd be one thing if I was exaggerating, but alas, that's what the map looked like. We fended off both alliances while they stacked for most fights and came close to losing our scrolls. People sound like they should be wearing a helmet 24/7 when they complain about being double teamed as if they didn't just do it hours before themselves. Yellow has made plays exactly like the one you're making fun of red for plenty of times. Literally the day before we had to put up with crown emp and the glory zerg that comes with that, but suddenly only blue is the problem?

As for the meteor, yellow got salty and accused us of dumping meteors on flat ground at brindle like it was some morale fopaux, a single meteor was dropped on our end, the remaining 10 or so were dropped by yellow and reflected. This is the level of absurdity that you guys are at right now. Do we need to record every single fight now to show you how ridiculous some of the salt is?

These threads could MAYBE be taken seriously if they were about the stupid emp system as a whole and not a salty thread when your alliance isn't the one with more numbers or winning at that exact moment. Seriously, do we need one of these salt threads on a daily basis? I've died plenty of times to yellow fall damage, from pugs and raids. Everyone needs to grow the eff up.

I agree with what you said, but just to touch on the bolded part... accusations will probably fly around about it for a while because of recent past experiences. I know what actually happened just saying you should expect it. I liken it to the whole Crownzerg nonsense. Crown hasn't lead more raids than I can count on one hand in the last few months, and even gets hate whispers from people in fights he's not even at.

Has nothing to do with him leading them - he's emp, there's 1-2 pvp guilds with him, and all of the pugs that the emp attracts, particularly on yellow. So, glory zerg, and typically worse than whatever daniel could muster, which is ironic given all of the crap thrown at him for it. For all I know crown is just running to ash and 60 yellow are following on their own accord, but as an opposing player, it doesn't negate the fact that we still have to deal with it.

I loathe the emperor system in its current form - the drama, the stacking, the night capping, the funneling to objectives ... and yet people still go bananas over it.

And again, on the meteor, I feel like I've been maybe the most vocal proponent of fixing fall damage over the past 4+ months. It started with haxus doing it on inner stairs for every defense, and recently seems to have popped up because you guys had a few deaths to fall damage from our raid during one fight (that I wasn't there for) and now it's suddenly become a pressing issue when it wasn't one 4+ months ago? When meteors are used by us, it's because we're experimenting with new ults and strategies because of a poor incoming meta that you yourself helped push for. When you see us waiting on stairs to meteor, let me know and I'll get cranky with the appropriate parties, but until then the salt is just that, salt.

Omg have you really convinced yourself thats okay? You want to test go to the, wait for it, Test Server.

Also your testing was not thorough. It is not just stairs. any uneven surface can can cause it. which is a lot of cyr.

Any strat for competitive play must be tested on live severs in love situations. Pretty much everyone is back to thier regular ult rotations and have been for some time. But all theorycrafting must be live tested to see if it's effective in competitive environments. When I'm testing new armor or builds or sets I'll do it when fighting groups that matter

TBH a lot more people will be running meteor next patch, on all factions. With reduced mitigation options I think we'll see a lot more groups trying to get off ranged bombs and the like. Pact Militia has done it to us for ages, they'd rather trying standing at range with bombard and meteors than get into our prox dets. M12 is partial to it too, among other AD groups.

The idea that we used it a bit and than the whole server started using it rings weak with me. No one asks us anything, no one communicates strats. If DC were really this good at observing top guilds play and formulating their own effective strategies based off that, DC would be an unbeatable juggernaut.

But that doesn't really describe DC so what gives?

Well tbh DC is a unbeatable juggernaut. Look at the scoreboard. lol

Its not that you communicated with others to use it. never said that. But its human nature when you see that fall damage to want to get even. So then they do it. Then others get hit with that bug and now they respond.

Like i said you explained your reasoning for testing what you did and i agree it was legit. The reason i say you guys are responsible is you kill ALOT of players being a prominent guild. So therefore it spread much quicker than others. It was not nearly this spread before you guys did the testing you did.

Tower_Of_Shame

They zerged me down.................

MountainHound

I feel zos would fix alot of problems by just removing Meteors.

_Chaos

MountainHound wrote: »

I feel zos would fix alot of problems by just removing Meteors.

If hit with Meteor in the last 3 seconds, null fall damage.

@Wrobel is that possible?
@ZOS_BrianWheeler wake your buddy Eric up and see if this can be done.

kevlarto_ESO

Just another broken and exploitable game mechanic and it will be exploited to it's full potential I am sure along with all the others, that's how you get good in pvp load your bar with all the broken mechanics spam them feel god like, until they fix them, then you have to L2P all over again while you look for new broken mechanics, and endless cycle for those that would rather have the I win button as opposed to really learning how to play the game.

Minno

MountainHound wrote: »

I feel zos would fix alot of problems by just removing Meteors.

Just the knockback/up effect will do. But it will probably break Templar BOL and heavy armor at the same time.

Morozov

Satiar wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LMAO. 4 am pop locked pvdooring the map. You want everyone to leave Azura? Keep it up.

Bro, as you posted that, there is a raid of EP front dooring Arrius.

They came down on BRK hard and with a vengeance...that was at least 30, probably closer to 40 of them.

Ya. The funny thing is DC has emp and BRK was the only non DC emp keep. Do they push West with their zerg or South. The answer is.........

Double team AD!!!!

FFS. For a solid 3+ hours during primetime, the only red and yellow action in that corridor was BRK mine going yellow by a few pugs and then it being untouched. It'd be one thing if I was exaggerating, but alas, that's what the map looked like. We fended off both alliances while they stacked for most fights and came close to losing our scrolls. People sound like they should be wearing a helmet 24/7 when they complain about being double teamed as if they didn't just do it hours before themselves. Yellow has made plays exactly like the one you're making fun of red for plenty of times. Literally the day before we had to put up with crown emp and the glory zerg that comes with that, but suddenly only blue is the problem?

As for the meteor, yellow got salty and accused us of dumping meteors on flat ground at brindle like it was some morale fopaux, a single meteor was dropped on our end, the remaining 10 or so were dropped by yellow and reflected. This is the level of absurdity that you guys are at right now. Do we need to record every single fight now to show you how ridiculous some of the salt is?

These threads could MAYBE be taken seriously if they were about the stupid emp system as a whole and not a salty thread when your alliance isn't the one with more numbers or winning at that exact moment. Seriously, do we need one of these salt threads on a daily basis? I've died plenty of times to yellow fall damage, from pugs and raids. Everyone needs to grow the eff up.

I agree with what you said, but just to touch on the bolded part... accusations will probably fly around about it for a while because of recent past experiences. I know what actually happened just saying you should expect it. I liken it to the whole Crownzerg nonsense. Crown hasn't lead more raids than I can count on one hand in the last few months, and even gets hate whispers from people in fights he's not even at.

Has nothing to do with him leading them - he's emp, there's 1-2 pvp guilds with him, and all of the pugs that the emp attracts, particularly on yellow. So, glory zerg, and typically worse than whatever daniel could muster, which is ironic given all of the crap thrown at him for it. For all I know crown is just running to ash and 60 yellow are following on their own accord, but as an opposing player, it doesn't negate the fact that we still have to deal with it.

I loathe the emperor system in its current form - the drama, the stacking, the night capping, the funneling to objectives ... and yet people still go bananas over it.

And again, on the meteor, I feel like I've been maybe the most vocal proponent of fixing fall damage over the past 4+ months. It started with haxus doing it on inner stairs for every defense, and recently seems to have popped up because you guys had a few deaths to fall damage from our raid during one fight (that I wasn't there for) and now it's suddenly become a pressing issue when it wasn't one 4+ months ago? When meteors are used by us, it's because we're experimenting with new ults and strategies because of a poor incoming meta that you yourself helped push for. When you see us waiting on stairs to meteor, let me know and I'll get cranky with the appropriate parties, but until then the salt is just that, salt.

Omg have you really convinced yourself thats okay? You want to test go to the, wait for it, Test Server.

Also your testing was not thorough. It is not just stairs. any uneven surface can can cause it. which is a lot of cyr.

Any strat for competitive play must be tested on live severs in love situations. Pretty much everyone is back to thier regular ult rotations and have been for some time. But all theorycrafting must be live tested to see if it's effective in competitive environments. When I'm testing new armor or builds or sets I'll do it when fighting groups that matter

TBH a lot more people will be running meteor next patch, on all factions. With reduced mitigation options I think we'll see a lot more groups trying to get off ranged bombs and the like. Pact Militia has done it to us for ages, they'd rather trying standing at range with bombard and meteors than get into our prox dets. M12 is partial to it too, among other AD groups.

The idea that we used it a bit and than the whole server started using it rings weak with me. No one asks us anything, no one communicates strats. If DC were really this good at observing top guilds play and formulating their own effective strategies based off that, DC would be an unbeatable juggernaut.

But that doesn't really describe DC so what gives?

DC figures it out because the whole DC faction moves as one.

/sprinkle salt