End Game Stamina Nightblade Build- PvE DPS (Updated for Clockwork City)

KamakaziYardbird

Hey, how is everyone good post going. I have posted a while back, but finally did VMA, still working on the right trait for the dagger. But I have just been trying new sets and I haven't seen anything about the Toothrow set. Has anyone tried It? I feel it would be better than Levs

raglau

KamakaziYardbird wrote: »

Hey, how is everyone good post going. I have posted a while back, but finally did VMA, still working on the right trait for the dagger. But I have just been trying new sets and I haven't seen anything about the Toothrow set. Has anyone tried It? I feel it would be better than Levs

I use Toothrow and I personally felt I got better results than with Leviathan when I tested whole sets of each with comparable (but not perfect) traits. I use FTC but I am not the most scientific at capturing and analysing information however, so caveat emptor!

I still need to get perfect traits across the set and upgrade Toothrow to Gold so at the moment I am using:

5 x NMG (part gold)
3 x Toothrow (jewellery)
2 x Hundings gold daggers (can't be bothered with vMA)
2 x Skoria

I'll be doing some Wayrest farming this weekend and will move to 5 x NMG and 5 x Toothrow if I get divine on 1 remaining piece.

Gilliamtherogue

KamakaziYardbird wrote: »

Hey, how is everyone good post going. I have posted a while back, but finally did VMA, still working on the right trait for the dagger. But I have just been trying new sets and I haven't seen anything about the Toothrow set. Has anyone tried It? I feel it would be better than Levs

The only time Toothrow is decent is if you aren't activating Major Savagery via potions, which doesn't make much sense other than to save money or if you're PvPing. I would never suggest running that set in content to be taken seriously, since you should be using potions off cooldown in those instances.

Seraj

Hey, I've been following this thread a while and I've gotta say it's helped me with my Redguard NB build a lot.

Few questions I couldn't find the answer to so far;

1) What glyphs do you recommend on your jewelry? I'm currently running 1x wep damage 2x stamina recovery, I don't have much of a resource problem usually so contemplating going all wep damage

2) What glyphs on weapons if no Maelstrom? I currently have poison damage on one dagger and the bow and increased power on the other dagger.

3) Do you make use of the undaunted mettle passive? Is there much DPS difference there? If so, would it be good to have for vMA at least? its a choice between 4% health and stam vs increased crit and damage from medium passives.

4) I know that you dislike the bow ult as its a channeling skill and can be interrupted, but what do you make of the morph ballista? It shoots off seperately, can't be interrupted and deals a pretty decent amount of single target damage.

5) Lastly, I will be trying vMA for the first time soon, how does this build sound? 5x Night mother, 5/4x Vicious ophidian, 2x Velidreth

I wanted to run Valkyns for the health boost but it's been a pain trying to get the shoulders at all in a half decent trait.

Thanks for the great guide

Gilliamtherogue

Seraj wrote: »

Hey, I've been following this thread a while and I've gotta say it's helped me with my Redguard NB build a lot.

Few questions I couldn't find the answer to so far;

1) What glyphs do you recommend on your jewelry? I'm currently running 1x wep damage 2x stamina recovery, I don't have much of a resource problem usually so contemplating going all wep damage

2) What glyphs on weapons if no Maelstrom? I currently have poison damage on one dagger and the bow and increased power on the other dagger.

3) Do you make use of the undaunted mettle passive? Is there much DPS difference there? If so, would it be good to have for vMA at least? its a choice between 4% health and stam vs increased crit and damage from medium passives.

4) I know that you dislike the bow ult as its a channeling skill and can be interrupted, but what do you make of the morph ballista? It shoots off seperately, can't be interrupted and deals a pretty decent amount of single target damage.

5) Lastly, I will be trying vMA for the first time soon, how does this build sound? 5x Night mother, 5/4x Vicious ophidian, 2x Velidreth

I wanted to run Valkyns for the health boost but it's been a pain trying to get the shoulders at all in a half decent trait.

Thanks for the great guide

1) Full weapon damage if you're 561 CP and running 5 VO. You can also get away with 3 WD enchants if you're in a group with a Templar, without needing to wear 5 VO and having 300+ CP.

2) Increase Weapon Damage on MH dagger and Poison damage OH dagger. Bow enchant can be anything you want, but really try working on at least getting a Maelstrom or Master bow (Maelstrom preferred).

3) I only run 5/1/1 in vMA to get above 16k health. Aside from that it's just a free 2% health & stam when wearing 7 medium, since the crit is much better than the stam.

4) Ballista loses to Shooting Star in terms of overall damage capabilities, but Ballista is very nice for bursting single targets (think round 8 boss of VMA)

5) 5 NMG 5 VO 2 Velidreth is the optimal setup for vMA on any stamina character.

thedude33

Tagging this post for later. Going to be hitting cp160 very shortly and need to start thinking about some beginner setups for both PvE to hopefully upgrade gear and PvP.

Gilliamtherogue

Updated some text, added images for gear setups, straightened up formatting.

gard

@Gilliamtherogue

Good stuff!

In the dps parse video, are you using maelstrom daggers?

Gilliamtherogue

gard wrote: »

@Gilliamtherogue

Good stuff!

In the dps parse video, are you using maelstrom daggers?

Yes, I was wearing 5 NMG, 5 VO, 2 Maelstrom daggers + bow. You could easily pull more DPS with 2 Kra'ghs or Velidreth instead of Vicious.

TheMadKingPeyton

Awhile ago when you posted your stats was that buffed or unbuffed? If it was buffed can I see unbuffed to get an idea of where the baseline is for setting this up?

Gilliamtherogue

TheMadKingPeyton wrote: »

Awhile ago when you posted your stats was that buffed or unbuffed? If it was buffed can I see unbuffed to get an idea of where the baseline is for setting this up?

Buffed is just a Major Savagery+Brutality potion and Relentless Focus active. That should be the baseline for solo play, as there's no reason those buffs shouldn't be active.

TheMadKingPeyton

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

TheMadKingPeyton wrote: »

Awhile ago when you posted your stats was that buffed or unbuffed? If it was buffed can I see unbuffed to get an idea of where the baseline is for setting this up?

Buffed is just a Major Savagery+Brutality potion and Relentless Focus active. That should be the baseline for solo play, as there's no reason those buffs shouldn't be active.

Okay thank you I figured out what I was doing wrong when looking at my stats. I forgot to do my relentless focus which threw off my recovery and damage the tiniest smidge. Thank you so much for this build dude. I've been outputting so much more DPS now

Shadowasrial

What about viper sting? Outside of pvp enemies and bosses don't have a poison res. And this set crits often. Would this be a viable set with night mothers? 5 piece night mother 5 viper 1 kena. When criting viper can hit 14k+ on a decent crit chance.

ryanborror

Shadowasrial wrote: »

What about viper sting? Outside of pvp enemies and bosses don't have a poison res. And this set crits often. Would this be a viable set with night mothers? 5 piece night mother 5 viper 1 kena. When criting viper can hit 14k+ on a decent crit chance.

Viper is decent for solo play and vma but for end game group content, there are better sets. The problem is its cooldown. Because of this it is vastly put performed in aoe situations. Even compared to other proc sets like red mountain, it is sub par simply because of proc. Now for purely single target, it is not a bad set. It does well In vma because you'll mostly target one enemy at a time.

Gilliamtherogue

Shadowasrial wrote: »

What about viper sting? Outside of pvp enemies and bosses don't have a poison res. And this set crits often. Would this be a viable set with night mothers? 5 piece night mother 5 viper 1 kena. When criting viper can hit 14k+ on a decent crit chance.

Plenty of NPCs and enemies are resistant to poison. Undead and poisonous creatures (Snakes, Hoarvars, etc) are highly resistant to poison and reduce the efficiency. Plus Viper has no AoE potential, and the amount of single target situations in game are next to non existent, leaving this set rather lack luster.

Paincake

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

KamakaziYardbird wrote: »

Hey, how is everyone good post going. I have posted a while back, but finally did VMA, still working on the right trait for the dagger. But I have just been trying new sets and I haven't seen anything about the Toothrow set. Has anyone tried It? I feel it would be better than Levs

The only time Toothrow is decent is if you aren't activating Major Savagery via potions, which doesn't make much sense other than to save money or if you're PvPing. I would never suggest running that set in content to be taken seriously, since you should be using potions off cooldown in those instances.

I'm pretty new to ESO, and have been following your build and I've been wondering for days why the permanent Major Savagery of Toothrow's was not even mentioned. Well, then I saw this. So I finished leveling my NB Alchemist, looked up the recipes for the pot, and all I can see is Minor Savagery. How do you get Major buffs from a pot? I can find references to the major buffs, but I plug in all the ingredients and all the pot shows is a minor buff. Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer this for me. Oh, and please forgive the noob. =P

Paincake

Paincake wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

KamakaziYardbird wrote: »

Hey, how is everyone good post going. I have posted a while back, but finally did VMA, still working on the right trait for the dagger. But I have just been trying new sets and I haven't seen anything about the Toothrow set. Has anyone tried It? I feel it would be better than Levs

The only time Toothrow is decent is if you aren't activating Major Savagery via potions, which doesn't make much sense other than to save money or if you're PvPing. I would never suggest running that set in content to be taken seriously, since you should be using potions off cooldown in those instances.

I'm pretty new to ESO, and have been following your build and I've been wondering for days why the permanent Major Savagery of Toothrow's was not even mentioned. Well, then I saw this. So I finished leveling my NB Alchemist, looked up the recipes for the pot, and all I can see is Minor Savagery. How do you get Major buffs from a pot? I can find references to the major buffs, but I plug in all the ingredients and all the pot shows is a minor buff. Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer this for me. Oh, and please forgive the noob. =P

NVM. I was making a poison. XD

Izaki

Question incoming!

So because Relentless Focus is a piece of crap in its current state to the point where a Rapid Strikes out DPSes the bow proc, and the healer is applying minor berserk anyway.... What are good options to replace it? Cripple (even though it scales of spell crit and spell pen)? Surprise Attack to spam instead of Rapid Strikes after all DoTs are empowered and applied allowing for an extra weave and giving some resistances and health? Camo Hunter for the weapon damage?

What I was thinking is:
Rapids > Trap > Hail > Injection > Rapids > Slashes > Surprise Attack x3 or x4 > restart

Surprise Attack weaves are quicker than Rapid Strikes so it may end up a DPS increase because you can fit in more weaves...

Gilliamtherogue

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Question incoming!

So because Relentless Focus is a piece of crap in its current state to the point where a Rapid Strikes out DPSes the bow proc, and the healer is applying minor berserk anyway.... What are good options to replace it? Cripple (even though it scales of spell crit and spell pen)? Surprise Attack to spam instead of Rapid Strikes after all DoTs are empowered and applied allowing for an extra weave and giving some resistances and health? Camo Hunter for the weapon damage?

What I was thinking is:
Rapids > Trap > Hail > Injection > Rapids > Slashes > Surprise Attack x3 or x4 > restart

Surprise Attack weaves are quicker than Rapid Strikes so it may end up a DPS increase because you can fit in more weaves...

Rapid Strikes out DPS Surprise Attack per cast in raids since armor shreds and scaling from thaumaturge + mighty allows Rapid to reach higher places. In terms of replacement, you're best off putting something like Vigor or Blade Cloak to assist in staying alive, since Stamina builds are extremely squishy.

If you're in a 4 man however, Surprise Attack will seem to have higher DPS since it deals with burst damage and lower HP pools, so your idea could work there.

gard

@Gilliamtherogue ANy thoughts on what to adjust to cope with update 13 changes? Or too soon?

Gilliamtherogue

gard wrote: »

@Gilliamtherogue ANy thoughts on what to adjust to cope with update 13 changes? Or too soon?

Nothing but nerfs to crit and no way to redistribute power has pretty much killed stam and stamina nightblade especially. Hopefully there'll be something to help the stamblade before Update 13 goes live, because if not they're going to be the #1 worst DPS in game.

Seraj

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

gard wrote: »

@Gilliamtherogue ANy thoughts on what to adjust to cope with update 13 changes? Or too soon?

Nothing but nerfs to crit and no way to redistribute power has pretty much killed stam and stamina nightblade especially. Hopefully there'll be something to help the stamblade before Update 13 goes live, because if not they're going to be the #1 worst DPS in game.

I'm a tad confused after reading the patch notes, from what I gathered, most the notes were in our favour, could you link me to which notes caused a hit to crit?

Duxes

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

gard wrote: »

@Gilliamtherogue ANy thoughts on what to adjust to cope with update 13 changes? Or too soon?

Nothing but nerfs to crit and no way to redistribute power has pretty much killed stam and stamina nightblade especially. Hopefully there'll be something to help the stamblade before Update 13 goes live, because if not they're going to be the #1 worst DPS in game.

This saddens me very much as my main is a khajiit stamblade.

Izaki

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Question incoming!

So because Relentless Focus is a piece of crap in its current state to the point where a Rapid Strikes out DPSes the bow proc, and the healer is applying minor berserk anyway.... What are good options to replace it? Cripple (even though it scales of spell crit and spell pen)? Surprise Attack to spam instead of Rapid Strikes after all DoTs are empowered and applied allowing for an extra weave and giving some resistances and health? Camo Hunter for the weapon damage?

What I was thinking is:
Rapids > Trap > Hail > Injection > Rapids > Slashes > Surprise Attack x3 or x4 > restart

Surprise Attack weaves are quicker than Rapid Strikes so it may end up a DPS increase because you can fit in more weaves...

Rapid Strikes out DPS Surprise Attack per cast in raids since armor shreds and scaling from thaumaturge + mighty allows Rapid to reach higher places. In terms of replacement, you're best off putting something like Vigor or Blade Cloak to assist in staying alive, since Stamina builds are extremely squishy.

If you're in a 4 man however, Surprise Attack will seem to have higher DPS since it deals with burst damage and lower HP pools, so your idea could work there.

Yes I know about the fact that Rapids out DPS Surprise attack. I've been doing some tests in my rotation an found that you can squeeze in an extra surprise attack weave before reapplying the DoTs. So with Rapid strikes i could weave 4 times and then I reapplied my Trap, Hail etc. With surprise attack however, I could do 4 SA, 1 rapid strikes and then apply my dots. So basically, surprise attack is lower DPS, BUT you get an extra weave!

I already run both blade cloak and vigor!

Gilliamtherogue

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Question incoming!

So because Relentless Focus is a piece of crap in its current state to the point where a Rapid Strikes out DPSes the bow proc, and the healer is applying minor berserk anyway.... What are good options to replace it? Cripple (even though it scales of spell crit and spell pen)? Surprise Attack to spam instead of Rapid Strikes after all DoTs are empowered and applied allowing for an extra weave and giving some resistances and health? Camo Hunter for the weapon damage?

What I was thinking is:
Rapids > Trap > Hail > Injection > Rapids > Slashes > Surprise Attack x3 or x4 > restart

Surprise Attack weaves are quicker than Rapid Strikes so it may end up a DPS increase because you can fit in more weaves...

Rapid Strikes out DPS Surprise Attack per cast in raids since armor shreds and scaling from thaumaturge + mighty allows Rapid to reach higher places. In terms of replacement, you're best off putting something like Vigor or Blade Cloak to assist in staying alive, since Stamina builds are extremely squishy.

If you're in a 4 man however, Surprise Attack will seem to have higher DPS since it deals with burst damage and lower HP pools, so your idea could work there.

Yes I know about the fact that Rapids out DPS Surprise attack. I've been doing some tests in my rotation an found that you can squeeze in an extra surprise attack weave before reapplying the DoTs. So with Rapid strikes i could weave 4 times and then I reapplied my Trap, Hail etc. With surprise attack however, I could do 4 SA, 1 rapid strikes and then apply my dots. So basically, surprise attack is lower DPS, BUT you get an extra weave!

I already run both blade cloak and vigor!

You'd get more DPS simply by slotting an Assassination or Fighter's Guild ability for passive amps than what you can squeeze out with that weave.

Upright_man

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

gard wrote: »

@Gilliamtherogue ANy thoughts on what to adjust to cope with update 13 changes? Or too soon?

Nothing but nerfs to crit and no way to redistribute power has pretty much killed stam and stamina nightblade especially. Hopefully there'll be something to help the stamblade before Update 13 goes live, because if not they're going to be the #1 worst DPS in game.

the fact @Gilliamtherogue is the one saying this makes me want to bench the stamblade for good, even though its my favourite char. </3

@Gilliamtherogue thank you for your service to the nightblades though. Your build helped me understand my class much better when i first reached lvl 50.

Swainyboy

I am currently trying to run a build on my stamblade very very similar to yours. My question is, how have you gotten such high crit and weapon damage with the current build? I have my skills down, my rotation is pretty tight but i feel i am lacking the numbers that you have here.

[/quote]

Lashiing

Swainyboy wrote: »

I am currently trying to run a build on my stamblade very very similar to yours. My question is, how have you gotten such high crit and weapon damage with the current build? I have my skills down, my rotation is pretty tight but i feel i am lacking the numbers that you have here.

http://i.imgur.com/gfQUcme.png

is your gear gold and do you have the right enchs?
here's my parse with a similar build, you can see the stats in the middle as avg and max

usmcjdking

I want to say two things here:

1) Gilliam has been with this same class and race through the thick and the thin. When catpeople were literally worthless in PVE, when stamblade wasn't even a thing he stuck with it and provided everyone with the means to stick with it as well.

2) I learned my entire theorycrafting methodology from following this thread.

Phenomenal work.

Merkhen

Thanks for the guide

kCat NB coming back to the game after 2 years.

at start stam nb builds weren't great, but they gave all the flavor we wanted for the claas, nice to see that someone makes the effort to keep this viable and explained in a way that returning player will understand