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Theory about spellcrafting delay
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TheValkyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭first of all DCUO is the most biggest lie of all f2p/b2p games ever! yet the mouse combo atks were the best i ever saw, the combat in dcuo was best from all games i ve played.
You can get through more than half the end game without paying anything. It's actually not a bad f2p game at all.
rly? stop with nonsense , 80% of game is dlc and there if you dont sub you sholdnt play at all, 2k cash limit
imagine eso with 2k gold cap on non subers.
Actually, you can now progress through t4 (t7 is the max tier at this time) absolutely free. There's nothing to buy with cash in DCUO except cosmetics and styles. It doesn't affect the overall enjoyment of the game. -
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Here we go with the apologetic behavior... The ad campaign was downright foolish and irresponsible. A celebrity's flatulence probably gained more press than the million reasons to play.
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ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭My thoughts... because ESO is an MMO and Theorycrafting could add many issues to the game making some players way OP in comparison to others. It is one thing to have Theorycrafting in a single player game, where it only impacts yourself and how strong you are against NPCs, but in an MMO, this would have serious implications when introduced to PvP.Started ESO: May 2015-Quit: Sept 2018
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Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭I could be wrong but Spell Crafting was kind of solution to if playerbase gets so small and dungeons queues so bad, we need it, I think ESO has currently enough population to go without it. This was pre-PC launch stuff. Spell Crafting basically means all classes can take any role they want. So that said, I understand why its on back-burner.Edited by Sausage on January 23, 2016 12:53PM -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The delay is not due to a lack of resources as ZOS/BethSoft is giving away $1m USD for little to no reason besides press that lasted less than a week. (Worst ad campaign I've ever seen) My thoughts are that they will abandon spellcrafting entirely and utilize the abilities, animations etc. that have already been designed and put them into entirely new classes. Put these classes behind a paywall (That's OK!) and charge for them 1500 crowns each as an unlock.
I get a feeling that spellcrafting was abandoned in order to earn some gold off of a game system that they already touted as free. A game system such as spellcrafting would probably have to be a free game update but eliminate that concept and charge per class? That's most definitely something they could do.
I played DC Universe Online for ages and this worked out really well for them.
What are your thoughts?
well, I they would not have enough money, they would for sure not give out 1m USD. I think that they are waiting until the lag in Cyrodiil will be fixed, then they can drop AOE caps and release the spellcrafting!!
I bet my Guar it will happen like that !!
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ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭well, I they would not have enough money, they would for sure not give out 1m USD. I think that they are waiting until the lag in Cyrodiil will be fixed, then they can drop AOE caps and release the spellcrafting!!
How about we get something straight... ZOS is NOT giving out 1M from their own budget, the marketing firm is giving out the money. So no, ZOS doesn't have deep pockets and endless streams of money- given the initial cost of development along with the extended year-long delay of console release, ZOS is actually in the hole financially. Besides that, even IF they were giving it out, it is also tax deductible as advertising expenses... so it would not be a direct expense for ZOS.Started ESO: May 2015-Quit: Sept 2018
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✭✭✭Do you know that "spell crafting" is the synonym of "classless system".
If everyone will be able to craft a bold escape spell or a cloak spell for example then what's the point of having the classes?
- Oh no those spells should not be allowed for crafting - you'd reply. But what spells are allowed then...It is hard to find a spell that will not be a copy of an already existing skill.
I totally agree for a classless system...but most of the players are against it but are totally for spell crafting....just put your thoughts together and rethink the consequences.
The class system is the reason of the game unbalance.
Just give us all the skills enemies have like that whirlwind twohander skill every enemy with a battleaxe uses, or that lightning aoe cone or teleporting aoe explosion. Thorns that lock down players, summon every type of atro or undead etc I dunno how some of these skill just don't make it in for us to use.I'm everything that doesn't belong in the pact but i'm there anyway... -
TheBull✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nope it's delayed (canceled or gutted) because this was Paul Sages vision not Matt Fior's and Nick Konkle was designing it. Paul and Nick are both gone.Killed by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
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Artjuh90✭✭✭✭✭
✭The delay is not due to a lack of resources as ZOS/BethSoft is giving away $1m USD for little to no reason besides press that lasted less than a week. (Worst ad campaign I've ever seen) My thoughts are that they will abandon spellcrafting entirely and utilize the abilities, animations etc. that have already been designed and put them into entirely new classes. Put these classes behind a paywall (That's OK!) and charge for them 1500 crowns each as an unlock.
I get a feeling that spellcrafting was abandoned in order to earn some gold off of a game system that they already touted as free. A game system such as spellcrafting would probably have to be a free game update but eliminate that concept and charge per class? That's most definitely something they could do.
I played DC Universe Online for ages and this worked out really well for them.
What are your thoughts?
well, I they would not have enough money, they would for sure not give out 1m USD. I think that they are waiting until the lag in Cyrodiil will be fixed, then they can drop AOE caps and release the spellcrafting!!
I bet my Guar it will happen like that !!
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✭Spellcrafting is dead, let it die. Let it die and let it be buried. Please, for the love of all things decent...just let. it. die.@shadesofkin -NA Server.
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✭✭It's all about money though the 1million dollars doesn't influence ESO unless they won it but if this game was P2P or had a high number of those on ESO + then we'd get more updates frequently.
When P2P was around servers were a bit more sustainable too but that could be the lack of CP that everyone had back then which would make it hard to compare unless we were to go to P2P for a month then switch back.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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not only that, but its not like they are giving out a million all at once. I don't know if people are ignoring the fine print but its 50k a year for 20 years... so, like probably less than the salary of one employee if you count what it costs for benefits and such. Its a lot of money sure, but with the right perspective its really not a astronomical. -
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not only that, but its not like they are giving out a million all at once. I don't know if people are ignoring the fine print but its 50k a year for 20 years... so, like probably less than the salary of one employee if you count what it costs for benefits and such. Its a lot of money sure, but with the right perspective its really not a astronomical.
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TheValkyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Shadesofkin wrote: »Spellcrafting is dead, let it die. Let it die and let it be buried. Please, for the love of all things decent...just let. it. die.
Didn't read the OP. ^^^^^ -
bountyspiter✭✭✭The delay is not due to a lack of resources as ZOS/BethSoft is giving away $1m USD for little to no reason besides press that lasted less than a week. (Worst ad campaign I've ever seen) My thoughts are that they will abandon spellcrafting entirely and utilize the abilities, animations etc. that have already been designed and put them into entirely new classes. Put these classes behind a paywall (That's OK!) and charge for them 1500 crowns each as an unlock.
I get a feeling that spellcrafting was abandoned in order to earn some gold off of a game system that they already touted as free. A game system such as spellcrafting would probably have to be a free game update but eliminate that concept and charge per class? That's most definitely something they could do.
I played DC Universe Online for ages and this worked out really well for them.
What are your thoughts?
ZoS showed quite a few signs of greed ever since the crown store opened. For those that dont bother to check or dont remember, shall i remind you the 3k crowns frost mare, or the otherwise free ingame ww and vamp bite?
However in the particular matter, I believe they are aware of the general imbalance of the classes and the last thing they want is to give the oportunity to people to further scale this imbalance. Cause believe me as soon as this thing goes live, next day you will be watching nuclear meteors in cyrodiil insta killing everyone in a keep and breaching all walls...
So hold your horses with any conclusions. Give them the benefit of the doubt
On the other hand if what you suggest happens, bye bye elder scrolls for me. Unlockable classes would definately be the last straw. -
TheValkyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭bountyspiter wrote: »The delay is not due to a lack of resources as ZOS/BethSoft is giving away $1m USD for little to no reason besides press that lasted less than a week. (Worst ad campaign I've ever seen) My thoughts are that they will abandon spellcrafting entirely and utilize the abilities, animations etc. that have already been designed and put them into entirely new classes. Put these classes behind a paywall (That's OK!) and charge for them 1500 crowns each as an unlock.
I get a feeling that spellcrafting was abandoned in order to earn some gold off of a game system that they already touted as free. A game system such as spellcrafting would probably have to be a free game update but eliminate that concept and charge per class? That's most definitely something they could do.
I played DC Universe Online for ages and this worked out really well for them.
What are your thoughts?
On the other hand if what you suggest happens, bye bye elder scrolls for me. Unlockable classes would definately be the last straw.
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don't get mad at my spelling, autocorrect doesn't cover fantasy.
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✭Shadesofkin wrote: »Spellcrafting is dead, let it die. Let it die and let it be buried. Please, for the love of all things decent...just let. it. die.
this ... they cant "balance" a static system how in hell would they be able to balance a dynamic sytsem like spellcrafting.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abusedSallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" -
Aeladiir✭✭✭✭✭The delay is not due to a lack of resources as ZOS/BethSoft is giving away $1m USD for little to no reason besides press that lasted less than a week. (Worst ad campaign I've ever seen) My thoughts are that they will abandon spellcrafting entirely and utilize the abilities, animations etc. that have already been designed and put them into entirely new classes. Put these classes behind a paywall (That's OK!) and charge for them 1500 crowns each as an unlock.
I get a feeling that spellcrafting was abandoned in order to earn some gold off of a game system that they already touted as free. A game system such as spellcrafting would probably have to be a free game update but eliminate that concept and charge per class? That's most definitely something they could do.
I played DC Universe Online for ages and this worked out really well for them.
What are your thoughts?
Edited by Aeladiir on January 23, 2016 9:32PM -
hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Do you know that "spell crafting" is the synonym of "classless system".
If everyone will be able to craft a bold escape spell or a cloak spell for example then what's the point of having the classes?
- Oh no those spells should not be allowed for crafting - you'd reply. But what spells are allowed then...It is hard to find a spell that will not be a copy of an already existing skill.
I totally agree for a classless system...but most of the players are against it but are totally for spell crafting....just put your thoughts together and rethink the consequences.
The class system is the reason of the game unbalance.
I see it as a system that has obvious restrictions such as reforging did in WoW. -
krim✭✭✭✭✭My thoughts... because ESO is an MMO and Theorycrafting could add many issues to the game making some players way OP in comparison to others. It is one thing to have Theorycrafting in a single player game, where it only impacts yourself and how strong you are against NPCs, but in an MMO, this would have serious implications when introduced to PvP.
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nordmarian✭✭✭✭Done right it might be even better than one could ever imagine. I'm still saying that spellcrafting was delayed due to other reasons. First this year we have 4 DLCs on the pipe with lots of new mechanics for sure. Then Barbershop and Housing. If you add Spellcrafting then what else could this game bring in the next years to keep players playing it? So again I think it will come but clearly not this year and maybe not in the next year either and it might be tied to a futher expansion pack.
Also some stuff can be bound for PvE/PvP. Why not spellcrafting too? Remember those quest items that make you almost invisible?Edited by nordmarian on January 24, 2016 11:46AM
