blessed vs quick recovery champion points

gdefter

As a magicka nightblade,at first,which is better?using strife is a standard way for self heals,will the quick recovery option help gain more healing from strifes or not?and also generally which is better for self heals?

code65536

Quick Recovery.

That's because your blue points are better spent in Thaumaturge and Elfborn, as Funnel Health heals as a percentage of the damage done. So more damage (Thaumaturge/Elfborn) means more healing. When the RNG favors you, a crit heal that was sourced from a Funnel Health hit that itself had crit can do 9K for me.

Now, if you have both Thaumaturge and Elfborn maxed out, then you might want to consider more points into Blessed, but with the current CP cap, you cannot max them both out. As a result, I keep just a single point in Blessed.

gdefter

I thought the same too,but as a templar healer for example playing the support role in dungeons with no dps concerns,would blessed be better?

code65536

For a healer Templar, sure, Blessed would be good, because you're worried about healing others (QR is about self-healing), and because your group healing does not scale off of damage. On the other hand, if you were a DPS Templar, concerned about keeping yourself self-healed through Puncturing Sweeps (which, like Funnel Health, heals off of damage done), then you'll want Thaumaturge/Elfborn.

mr_wazzabi

code65536 wrote: »

Quick Recovery.

That's because your blue points are better spent in Thaumaturge and Elfborn, as Funnel Health heals as a percentage of the damage done. So more damage (Thaumaturge/Elfborn) means more healing. When the RNG favors you, a crit heal that was sourced from a Funnel Health hit that itself had crit can do 9K for me.

Now, if you have both Thaumaturge and Elfborn maxed out, then you might want to consider more points into Blessed, but with the current CP cap, you cannot max them both out. As a result, I keep just a single point in Blessed.

So because funnel health heals based off damage done, does blessed improve its heals at all?

gdefter

I dont think so because funnel health is not a heal but an offensive ability which heals based on damage,blessed would work on breath of life or vigor for example

Faulgor

On a related not, what do you think about the Twilight's Embrace set for Magicka Nightblades?

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 items) When you are healed, gain 10% additional healing.

Would this be worthwhile with other self-healing buffs (Quick Recovery, Swallow Soul, Argonian passive, etc), or is Julianos/Kagrenacs/etc still better?

code65536

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Quick Recovery.

That's because your blue points are better spent in Thaumaturge and Elfborn, as Funnel Health heals as a percentage of the damage done. So more damage (Thaumaturge/Elfborn) means more healing. When the RNG favors you, a crit heal that was sourced from a Funnel Health hit that itself had crit can do 9K for me.

Now, if you have both Thaumaturge and Elfborn maxed out, then you might want to consider more points into Blessed, but with the current CP cap, you cannot max them both out. As a result, I keep just a single point in Blessed.

So because funnel health heals based off damage done, does blessed improve its heals at all?

Blessed should increase the healing from Funnel Health. It's just that, with the current CP cap, it's not a good place to magicka nightblades to spend their blue points.

Faulgor wrote: »

On a related not, what do you think about the Twilight's Embrace set for Magicka Nightblades?

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 items) When you are healed, gain 10% additional healing.

Would this be worthwhile with other self-healing buffs (Quick Recovery, Swallow Soul, Argonian passive, etc), or is Julianos/Kagrenacs/etc still better?

It's a good set, but my personal view is that Julianos would be better (actually, Spell Power Cure is quite awesome; if there's nobody else giving me the SPC buff, I do more DPS with SPC than with Julianos). While the extra healing you get from doing more damage probably isn't as much as the 10% healing from the set, the more damage you do, the quicker the enemy dies, and the less opportunity they have to hit you.

puffy99

Jul or Krags (dps or dps/heals/rez) is the way to go I believe depending on what you want to focus on for the crafted sets.
1 Heavy, 1 Med, 5 light optimal.

I have a 5 Krags, 2 Juliannos (w 1 sword), 3 Willpower mix/sword/Resto
and 1 arcance Cryo light ring not sure what to do with.

Pretty good all around setup at V8, monster set hopefully will be added.

I do DPS/Heals, sometimes heals not so great..lol

Xeniph

If you are healing via doing damage, blessed is not for you. Thaumaturge +Elfborn all the way, regarding mage points. Now you can get more healing without sacrificing damage through Quick recovery from Warrior points.

On the flip side, if you are healing others or maining a support role, Blessed+Elfborn for your mage points and you can add to that bonus for yourself by grabbing quick recovery.

Generally speaking Julianos for pve dps and solo pvp, Kags for group pvp dps/support.

Also a good set if you can find the traits you want is Spell power cure. As for Twilight, most people don't go beyond the 4th bonus, and rarely use it once they have the above listed sets.

As a side note: TBS and Julianos are near identical stat/power wise with like mundus chosen. But Julianos is easier to obtain.

gdefter

And not to mention that since most players spend 30 points into the mage tree for the 12% spell critical passive bonus,elfborn is best way to go as far as healing goes,cause most players want a decent dps and use their high spell critical values for healing too.blessed works for a pure templar healer and only healer build,playing only the support role and not doing damage,but pure healers are tough to come by anyway

Xvorg

gdefter wrote: »

I dont think so because funnel health is not a heal but an offensive ability which heals based on damage,blessed would work on breath of life or vigor for example

That 25% heal is not fixed

Merlin13KAGL

For solo, keeping the percentages about even will net you the most.

=4% Blessed in addition to +4% QR will net you a heal that's equivalent to +8.16 % (1.04 * 1.04)

Would end up slightly higher than the ~ +7% you'd get from all points in one or the other (assuming they advance at the same rate per CP and you're not building towards a specific passive)

(This is after the 75 in Thaumaturge, as others have indicated)