Gap closer root is increasingly becoming the last straw for me. Can't see a reason to continue.

Joshuagm1991 · January 2016

When I first found focused charge. I used it INTO the zerg. I wonder if the zerg was confused.

On a serious note - I agree with this thread and am bummed at that video with the mist form. I just payed to cure myself of vampirism. Didn't seem worth it unless I'm PvE.

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Personally I think that all gap closers should be given a single-target AoE effect (similar to WW's Pounce) where if the target moves out of the AoE radius it will still move to that area but miss the target. This would make mobility a counter to gap closers and CC/snares a counter to mobility. Also, all gap closers should require a minimum distance from the target in order to activate.

Well said!

TheBull · January 2016

Cathexis wrote: »

@CrowsDescend just referencing your video again.

https://youtu.be/EY-exbyjme0

This is a classic example of the situation I am talking about. The guy is using CC immunity. That guy has no other option but to escape in that situation. What is he going to do, stand and fight 10 AD? and not just fight, LITERALLY STAND because you can't do anything else!

It is STUPID. If that's honestly how people and @Wrobel think fighting in Cyrodiil should be, I'm done with the game, and I will definitely recommend others not invest time in this game.

I'm not sure I see the problem here. It's a 1v10. Did you expect to escape?

Cathexis · January 2016

TheBull wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

@CrowsDescend just referencing your video again.

https://youtu.be/EY-exbyjme0

This is a classic example of the situation I am talking about. The guy is using CC immunity. That guy has no other option but to escape in that situation. What is he going to do, stand and fight 10 AD? and not just fight, LITERALLY STAND because you can't do anything else!

It is STUPID. If that's honestly how people and @Wrobel think fighting in Cyrodiil should be, I'm done with the game, and I will definitely recommend others not invest time in this game.

I'm not sure I see the problem here. It's a 1v10. Did you expect to escape?

If you are using anti cc including dodgeroll, mistform, maneuvers, evasion, forward momentum, and/or have a sizeable gap between you and your opponents - Yes I do expect him to be able to escape.

Did you expect him to stand there and twiddle his thumbs while 10 people gang beat him to death?

@TheBull its people like you who are deteriorating the quality of pvp by hiding in zergs and systematically attacking basic game mechanics that make combat interesting.

please refer to post #84 http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2573667/#Comment_2573667

where i give video examples of real life combat situations in which a single individual defeats multiple opponents in combat.

As a side note NONE OF THEM DO IT BY STANDING STILL.

Makkir · January 2016

I would personally greatly appreciate a fix to this issue where I cannot break free even with a full stamina bar. Nothing pisses me off more than when a terribad NB is spamming me to hell and I can't break free with 14k stamina.

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Makkir wrote: »

I would personally greatly appreciate a fix to this issue where I cannot break free even with a full stamina bar. Nothing pisses me off more than when a terribad NB is spamming me to hell and I can't break free with 14k stamina.

I know right, it's like being in constant lock-down when they spam it over and over again, and you have full stamina yet there's nothing to break free from... *sigh*

Molag_Crow · January 2016

TheBull wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

@CrowsDescend just referencing your video again.

https://youtu.be/EY-exbyjme0

This is a classic example of the situation I am talking about. The guy is using CC immunity. That guy has no other option but to escape in that situation. What is he going to do, stand and fight 10 AD? and not just fight, LITERALLY STAND because you can't do anything else!

It is STUPID. If that's honestly how people and @Wrobel think fighting in Cyrodiil should be, I'm done with the game, and I will definitely recommend others not invest time in this game.

I'm not sure I see the problem here. It's a 1v10. Did you expect to escape?

I didn't expect to escape, because enough close-range AND range attacks could still eventually kill me through Mist Form's 75% damage taken reduction, but that's a useless attempt to escape when your character freezes in place each time they use a gap-closer.

It's ridiculous, and if you honestly don't see the problem, then I guess you've never been on the receiving end of gap-closer spam, like Ambush, Crit rush, etc.

Cathexis · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

@CrowsDescend just referencing your video again.

https://youtu.be/EY-exbyjme0

This is a classic example of the situation I am talking about. The guy is using CC immunity. That guy has no other option but to escape in that situation. What is he going to do, stand and fight 10 AD? and not just fight, LITERALLY STAND because you can't do anything else!

It is STUPID. If that's honestly how people and @Wrobel think fighting in Cyrodiil should be, I'm done with the game, and I will definitely recommend others not invest time in this game.

I'm not sure I see the problem here. It's a 1v10. Did you expect to escape?

I didn't expect to escape, because enough close-range AND range attacks could still eventually kill me through Mist Form's 75% damage taken reduction, but that's a useless attempt to escape when your character freezes in place each time they use a gap-closer.

It's ridiculous, and if you honestly don't see the problem, then I guess you've never been on the receiving end of gap-closer spam, like Ambush, Crit rush, etc.

@TheBull @CrowsDescend You could have easily escaped, I play a stam sorc and I have specialized in mobility based combat since release day and without those gap closer roots I can tell you you could have made it to that keep door with maneuvers, dodgeroll, and mist form easily given your distance.

Yes I can eyeball it from that video.

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Cathexis wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

@CrowsDescend just referencing your video again.

https://youtu.be/EY-exbyjme0

This is a classic example of the situation I am talking about. The guy is using CC immunity. That guy has no other option but to escape in that situation. What is he going to do, stand and fight 10 AD? and not just fight, LITERALLY STAND because you can't do anything else!

It is STUPID. If that's honestly how people and @Wrobel think fighting in Cyrodiil should be, I'm done with the game, and I will definitely recommend others not invest time in this game.

I'm not sure I see the problem here. It's a 1v10. Did you expect to escape?

I didn't expect to escape, because enough close-range AND range attacks could still eventually kill me through Mist Form's 75% damage taken reduction, but that's a useless attempt to escape when your character freezes in place each time they use a gap-closer.

It's ridiculous, and if you honestly don't see the problem, then I guess you've never been on the receiving end of gap-closer spam, like Ambush, Crit rush, etc.

@TheBull @CrowsDescend You could have easily escaped, I play a stam sorc and I have specialized in mobility based combat since release day and without those gap closer roots I can tell you you could have made it to that keep door with maneuvers, dodgeroll, and mist form easily given your distance.

Yes I can eyeball it from that video.

Yep but you know what? at first, I was aiming for that door - when I realized how badly I was getting gap-closed, I was like "Hmmm let's see how far I can run with this gap-close spam in Mist Form...." because I was THAT shocked, and that's why I attempted to go along the keep wall, but got cut short (to death), of course.

OGLezard · January 2016

Cathexis wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

@CrowsDescend just referencing your video again.

https://youtu.be/EY-exbyjme0

This is a classic example of the situation I am talking about. The guy is using CC immunity. That guy has no other option but to escape in that situation. What is he going to do, stand and fight 10 AD? and not just fight, LITERALLY STAND because you can't do anything else!

It is STUPID. If that's honestly how people and @Wrobel think fighting in Cyrodiil should be, I'm done with the game, and I will definitely recommend others not invest time in this game.

TO ANY MOD READING THIS, THIS IS NOT CONSPIRACY THIS IS MY OPINION, I AM ENTITLED TO AN OPINION

@Cathexis welcome to eso!

They just now admitted "yea it is kind of over the top" but then showed us new crown store content and said "look at the shiny" I said it in one of my threads; I am ok with NO content for 6 months as long as they give us balance patches, exploit patches, and FIX broken stuff in this game.

IMO, every patch they release just stupifies this game more and more. Slot whatever OP skill is the "meta" and begin to press it over and over. Dont forget to wear the same exact gear combos as everyone or you will just get laughed at. That mentality is getting worse and worse EVERY. SINGLE. PATCH! Go step foot into pvp and tell me how many groups crit charge wb spam you. THAT is the meta now.

@OGLezard I won't lie to you I am a crit rush wrecking blow build, but as a sorcerer stamina tank those are literally the only skills I have at my disposal to do effective enough damage. Yes its aweful. I definitely do not like how most good builds basically build around wrecking blow, steel tornado, proxy det, batswarm, surprise attack or are sorcerers but it's the way things have been since they removed softcaps. Prior to softcap removal you could run just about any skill combo and be successful.

Its really sad everyone wants the game mechanics to make characters completely homogenized.

@Cathexis that's my point...... If we had soft caps right now I think we would be golden. Some tweaking sure, but removing soft caps created this cess pool we have called pvp. It's stagnant in there with everyone playing the same builds/gear/skills/cp....... At least when we had soft caps you could venture out from the cheese builds. Try to do that now and your penalized harshly. It feels like they are still making gear with soft caps in mind but we lack soft caps......

Cathexis · January 2016

@CrowsDescend yeah its crazy it's like why even have effects that remove and prevent movement impairment if they don't actually remove and prevent movement impairment. It's mind boggling.

@OGLezard agree!!

vamp_emily · January 2016

@vamp_emily I am a better player than you will ever be, I bet you can't beat me without this trash mechanic or a zerg train. Sounds to me more like a classic case of you being a forum troll DB.

Seriously, "a better player than you will ever be"? You don't see me here crying and threatening to quit PvP because I got my tushhurt.

ESO PvP is AvA ( just incase u did not know ) small groups or solo players should have a higher risk of dying than people in large groups.

I can't wait till they come up with a solution for 1v1 and small groups, because it will take allot of problems ( whining ) away from AvA.

Stamden · January 2016

This is probably the stupidest mechanic I have ever seen implemented. What it really is, is a buff to Nightblades, which is already the strongest PvP class in the game by large margin.

Now instead of Ambush > Suprise Attack spam, you can just spam Ambush instead. Somehow they made NBs require even less brain cells.

It also buffs Stamina builds in general, which makes no sense. Being a melee Stam build is generally the bested PvP setup. Magika builds (aside from maybe Sorcs) are the ones that need buffs, not the other way around.

OGLezard · January 2016

Neighbor wrote: »

This is probably the stupidest mechanic I have ever seen implemented. What it really is, is a buff to Nightblades, which is already the strongest PvP class in the game by large margin.

Now instead of Ambush > Suprise Attack spam, you can just spam Ambush instead. Somehow they made NBs require even less brain cells.

It also buffs Stamina builds in general, which makes no sense. Being a melee Stam build is generally the bested PvP setup. Magika builds (aside from maybe Sorcs) are the ones that need buffs, not the other way around.

Shhhhh people don't like talking about that.......they try to keep focus on how OP magicka is while they get stamina buffed even further. The WB crew will make sure of it

Autolycus · January 2016

Frawr wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Completely agree. Gap-closers need a look at, because on one hand, I understand that they slightly help keep consistent damage on a target who is moving, but on the other hand, it's abused by classes that can continuously gap-close, without much penalty towards their resource costs, etc.

Jura23 wrote: »

One of the reasons why mist form is such a joke - because half the time you spend gap close rooted.

As presented in this short video, where I use Retreating Maneuvers and Mist Form, yet you'll notice that the group can continuously gap-close me through Mist Form and Retreating Maneuvers. Despite what the tooltips state about CC in general; a gap-closer is a mini-stun, and it ignores CC Immunity, it's still effective (and annoying as ever.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY-exbyjme0

As this video accurately demonstrates,

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@Wrobel

the mechanic is stupid

I would rather see animations where people charge into thin air because that person is no longer there than this incessant root root root root root.

What is the point of adding CC immunity if you then go and add a mechanic such as this.

this mechanic has a really negative effect on gameplay. It is pointless and unnecessary.

please remove it.

Repost this until they fix it. This is the prime example of what is wrong with gap closer roots.

Autolycus · January 2016

Xjcon wrote: »

Tamanous wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

This needs changed NOW. Cause a stam sorc says so!

Sorry can't feel bad for a class that holds down the meta right now.

The vast majority of threads are complaining about NBs being EVERYWHERE.

Stop making up crap to get a point across. Using the word "meta" is a license for cool either.

Really. Go watch what players who don't suck can do with stam Sorc. Or magicka Sorc. Both have serious advantages right now. Stam sorc heals from damage, vigor, and Rally (forgot the morph) not to mention they have increased stam regen other classes don't have. Magicka has non crittable shields for days.

Sorc CLASS is very strong right now.

Besides you won't get mini stunned anymore they already said they are going to change it to a slow.

How is that not applicable to ALL classes? What you're talking about is someone who is skilled and experienced, not some inherent advantage that sorcs have over other classes. That also doesn't make them a meta. Do you play a stam sorc? Mine is pretty good, hits like a truck, has decent health/recoveries/cost reduction/etc. but on any average day he is competitive with others, not at an advantage.

FriedEggSandwich · January 2016

TheBull wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

@CrowsDescend just referencing your video again.

https://youtu.be/EY-exbyjme0

This is a classic example of the situation I am talking about. The guy is using CC immunity. That guy has no other option but to escape in that situation. What is he going to do, stand and fight 10 AD? and not just fight, LITERALLY STAND because you can't do anything else!

It is STUPID. If that's honestly how people and @Wrobel think fighting in Cyrodiil should be, I'm done with the game, and I will definitely recommend others not invest time in this game.

I'm not sure I see the problem here. It's a 1v10. Did you expect to escape?

No, you expect to maintain control of your character when you have cc immunity.

Autolycus · January 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

@CrowsDescend just referencing your video again.

https://youtu.be/EY-exbyjme0

This is a classic example of the situation I am talking about. The guy is using CC immunity. That guy has no other option but to escape in that situation. What is he going to do, stand and fight 10 AD? and not just fight, LITERALLY STAND because you can't do anything else!

It is STUPID. If that's honestly how people and @Wrobel think fighting in Cyrodiil should be, I'm done with the game, and I will definitely recommend others not invest time in this game.

I'm not sure I see the problem here. It's a 1v10. Did you expect to escape?

No, you expect to maintain control of your character when you have cc immunity.

Exactly. I wouldn't expect to survive had it been me, and I tried to stay and fight them all. But he was clearly trying to escape, had expedition and CC immunity and was locked down despite conscious efforts to avoid it. It looks to me that he took the appropriate course of action to survive and flee, but the rooting mechanic forced him down. That's the whole point; why have CC immunity, and then add a forced root/stun to all gap closers? It's counter-intuitive and favors the zerg groups, which already have so many advantages over the small team or solo player.

tinythinker · January 2016

Just relabel Crit Charge and Ambush as Templar skills, problem solved. Once they get the Focused Charge treatment, they will overshoot, randomly lock out the player's skill bar for a time, and be subject to unintended or stealth nerf cool-downs.

OGLezard · January 2016

Autolycus wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

@CrowsDescend just referencing your video again.

https://youtu.be/EY-exbyjme0

This is a classic example of the situation I am talking about. The guy is using CC immunity. That guy has no other option but to escape in that situation. What is he going to do, stand and fight 10 AD? and not just fight, LITERALLY STAND because you can't do anything else!

It is STUPID. If that's honestly how people and @Wrobel think fighting in Cyrodiil should be, I'm done with the game, and I will definitely recommend others not invest time in this game.

I'm not sure I see the problem here. It's a 1v10. Did you expect to escape?

No, you expect to maintain control of your character when you have cc immunity.

Exactly. I wouldn't expect to survive had it been me, and I tried to stay and fight them all. But he was clearly trying to escape, had expedition and CC immunity and was locked down despite conscious efforts to avoid it. It looks to me that he took the appropriate course of action to survive and flee, but the rooting mechanic forced him down. That's the whole point; why have CC immunity, and then add a forced root/stun to all gap closers? It's counter-intuitive and favors the zerg groups, which already have so many advantages over the small team or solo player.

@Autolycus because ZoS wants people to spread out to help their poor servers keep up with the greatly reduced numbers we have now in pvp lulz! I find it kind of funny they say one thing in one department, but then the other department makes changes that counter what the first department was saying >_>

KaleidoscopeEyz · January 2016

it is impossible to change positions in a battle where you are outnumbered now - you just get drilled by like 10 people and thats it.

So it's like real life? What world do you live in where one person should be able to take on 10 people and win?

tinythinker · January 2016

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

it is impossible to change positions in a battle where you are outnumbered now - you just get drilled by like 10 people and thats it.

So it's like real life? What world do you live in where one person should be able to take on 10 people and win?

Yeah, it's exactly like real life where people bolt around using magic

And the point that was made and remade isn't about winning a 1v10 but being able to have a chance to escape.

Kelleton · January 2016

Cathexis wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

This needs changed NOW. Cause a stam sorc says so!

Sorry can't feel bad for a class that holds down the meta right now.

Stam sorc is Def not the meta don't know what world you are in.

It destroys the class play style completely since the IC patch made us 2 hand dependent.

Joshuagm1991 wrote: »

Can someone explain this root problem? What changed? What skills / skills?

Kelleton wrote: »

This has been around for 2 years...why is this all of a sudden an urgent issue?

@Joshuagm1991 @Kelleton This has not been around for 2 years it was very recently implemented. All gap closers are now rooting players for 1 second with an unbreakable root that goes through immunity. It's not really noticeable one on one, but when you get gap closer spammed by multiple people it is basically a permanent root until death.

Actually it has always been like this...well since beta...

Autolycus · January 2016

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

it is impossible to change positions in a battle where you are outnumbered now - you just get drilled by like 10 people and thats it.

So it's like real life? What world do you live in where one person should be able to take on 10 people and win?

There is absolutely no parallel between this and reality. It's about having a chance to flee when one is clearly outnumbered. There is no chance here, even if one makes all the right plays at the right time, which would, in normal and rational circumstances, allow one to escape.

I have yet to see anyone who believes the root mechanic should be removed or modified also believe that they should be able to 1v10 and win every time. Please focus on the actual topic, not just blurt out nonsense about teleporting in real life.

Autolycus · January 2016

Kelleton wrote: »

Actually it has always been like this...well since beta...

It's definitely been around for a long time. I don't remember it being as big of an issue in beta and post-launch, but that's most likely because people are now focusing more on taking advantage of it.

Moglijuana · January 2016

The ambush spam has been so annoying lately ='(. Too many wana be Sypher's running around lol. I've since taken it off my NB's bar to give people a fair chance when fighting/re positioning. However, I do enjoy splitting off these spammers from their groups and destroying them since that's all they seem to know how to use, but still they should fix it for the game's sake.

Tonnopesce · January 2016

Right after yesterday session i've to change my mind on the subject, while before the "stun" was barely visible right now it last like 1 second and my mist form (the only escape that i can use as a full light Magika dk) is useless.

And i also got 2-3 deat recap with only "ambush" and " crit charge" written in... why ppl in this game abuse of every bug/exploit they found?

revonine · January 2016

I'm so sick of fighting tooth and claw for control of my character every time I'm trying to escape or re position myself against even a small group of people.

Against a large group I may as well put down my controller because what's the point, you can't escape and your character is permanently rooted and your skills do not respond. No chance to defend yourself or escape. That IS if you don't insta- die from all the gap closers coming at you at once anyway. For classes that are built for mobility like stamsorcs it's all completely negated. Even the magical and much QQ-ed about cloak cannot save you it's instantly deactivated faster than you can spam it by all the gap closing coming at you at once.

Draxys wrote: »

Agreed. Dk leap works the same way. If the leap is from far enough away, the person can literally just move a bit and avoid the leap entirely, but the leap still works. Sometimes results in a wasted ultimate, but that's the way all gap closers should work.

This is a good point and it's utter crap that an ULTIMATE can miss but a simple spam able gap closer is allowed an "I'm special" mechanic. Reminds me of that joke from Blue Harvest where they'e trying to fire on the rebels but they were listing lazily to the right.

TheBull wrote: »

I'm not sure I see the problem here. It's a 1v10. Did you expect to escape?

He's suppose to have a chance to at least TRY outmaneuver and perhaps escape using the skills and brains available to him. No amount of skills and brains can save you from that. He's already at a massive disadvantage through numbers but like a ****** slot machine it's completely rigged against you.

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

And i also got 2-3 deat recap with only "ambush" and " crit charge" written in... why ppl in this game abuse of every bug/exploit they found?

Ambush should have a min cast distance like every other gap closer and this is coming from a NB main. Why would you teleport to someone if your already in their face anyway? makes no sense.

TheBull · January 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

@CrowsDescend just referencing your video again.

https://youtu.be/EY-exbyjme0

This is a classic example of the situation I am talking about. The guy is using CC immunity. That guy has no other option but to escape in that situation. What is he going to do, stand and fight 10 AD? and not just fight, LITERALLY STAND because you can't do anything else!

It is STUPID. If that's honestly how people and @Wrobel think fighting in Cyrodiil should be, I'm done with the game, and I will definitely recommend others not invest time in this game.

I'm not sure I see the problem here. It's a 1v10. Did you expect to escape?

No, you expect to maintain control of your character when you have cc immunity.

Did you know that snare and immobilize don't have anything to do with CC break immunity?

Autolycus · January 2016

TheBull wrote: »

Did you know that snare and immobilize don't have anything to do with CC break immunity?

Are you asking if that is currently a known fact, or if that's the way it should be? snares and immobilizes are forms of crown control, and as such should fall into the CC immunity effect. At least that's what I believe.