This is one way I'm hoping player home ownership will work

Gidorick

I have said many times before (and quite specifically in my 3-phase release plan ) I wish housing to be instanced. There are plenty of locked and inaccessible homes around Tamriel... These are the locations that should be offered as homes we should be able to purchase for our own. This doesn't have to be limited to homes in towns though...

To demonstrate this... let's travel to the Church of Arkay in Bangkorai.

In front of the church there is a locked Crypt...


Now, imagine we could purchase that crypt. Afterwards, when we access the door we are taken to an instanced interior...


Perhaps we could decorate the first level as we see fit or we could head down...


To the lower level. Deep in the crypt we could place our bed (or our sarcophagus) and various skulls and whatnot... or we could liven the place up with some throw rugs and a nice bench with some pillows... we could make it our own.

The point is... the house is IN the world, where they should be. Homes should not be outside of the world in their own instances or tucked away in a specific zone dedicated to player housing. They need to make the player feel as if they have chosen a location of Tamriel to call their own!

If players want to own a crypt, a small hut, a tree house... whatever... they should be able to. If the location is in a dangerous area, that would be at the discretion of the player. Not every single locked door needs to lead to a player home but imagine how much fun Role Players and guilds could have if members could own different homes within the same town.

Of course, this would just be phase one (and sort of phase two of my concept)... phase 3 is a little more involved and more like Hearthfire with separate and instanced locals for us to build custom homes. There is also the possibility of instanced walled off cities with plots of land for players and guilds... this thread simply demonstrates one way ZOS could implement a housing system.

What are your ideas? How else could ZOS implement home ownership?

Kammakazi

I wanna live in the Maelstrom Arena

NewBlacksmurf

Hmmm

I'd rather this be its own continent per se.
It would be a place after we log in, to be, but not a place shown on any map like how DAoC created it that required zoning off the game map.

Gidorick

Why @NewBlacksmurf ? What advantage would there be in that? Are you wanting like... custom homes that other players can see?

NewBlacksmurf

Gidorick wrote: »

Why @NewBlacksmurf ? What advantage would there be in that? Are you wanting like... custom homes that other players can see?

The game suffers from lag.
Housing in the existing map places multiple players phased in the same spot which is what causes Cyrodil lag.

Having a completely different zone or server(s) with spread out placement like DAoC removes the lag as ppl will congregate in a housing area regardless of where it's located.

The map is made for game questing.
A housing zone can be made for social benefits, role playing, grouping, guild recruiting, trading and customization of homes. It would not be a benefit to add this if it makes questing laggy or NPCs to do weird stuff like launch which is always an issue when lots of ppl are in one spot.

Ya know like free ESO weekends.

I've not seen housing done better than DAoC and that's been a lot of games since 1999

Gidorick

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Why @NewBlacksmurf ? What advantage would there be in that? Are you wanting like... custom homes that other players can see?

The game suffers from lag.

HAHAHAH! Dude... I literally laughed out loud and had to stop reading at this point. Thanks for that.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Housing in the existing map places multiple players phased in the same spot which is what causes Cyrodil lag.

Having a completely different zone or server(s) with spread out placement like DAoC removes the lag as ppl will congregate in a housing area regardless of where it's located.

The map is made for game wuesting.
A housing zone can be made for social benefits, role playing, grouping, guild recruiting, trading and customization of homes.

I've not seen housing done better than DAoC and that's been a lot of games since 1999

I can't really say since I haven't played DAOC but I could see ZOS doing something like... having cities that are surrounded by walls... a-la Oblivion or Skyrim:



Inside there would be a certain number of plots. Larger cities, larger plots. Inside players could build their homes to their liking.

I could get behind something like that... But I do not think a separate ZONE just for housing really "fits" ESO.

But that is just one players opinion.

On a side note... is that what really causes Cyrodiil lag? Multiple players phasing in? This IS an MMO... isn't it? lol. That's just sad.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

@NewBlacksmurf I like your idea, having a bustling residential area sounds like fun. Somewhere where there's more guild trader spots available, more crafting stations, a place where guilds can recruit, and people can socialise and prepare for quests sounds fun, leaving questing areas for doing the job. That's going to be one hell of a big continent though... I'd rather have Nirn continents for questing, a plain of Oblivion on the other hand? Meridia did suck that city in to Coldharbour, and she does owe us one.

NewBlacksmurf

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf I like your idea, having a bustling residential area sounds like fun. Somewhere where there's more guild trader spots available, more crafting stations, a place where guilds can recruit, and people can socialise and prepare for quests sounds fun, leaving questing areas for doing the job. That's going to be one hell of a big continent though... I'd rather have Nirn continents for questing, a plain of Oblivion on the other hand? Meridia did suck that city in to Coldharbour, and she does owe us one.

Yep. This. All of this!

@Gidorick
And wait for it.....imagine ....cross faction housing cause that's how guilds are setup.

Gidorick

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf I like your idea, having a bustling residential area sounds like fun. Somewhere where there's more guild trader spots available, more crafting stations, a place where guilds can recruit, and people can socialise and prepare for quests sounds fun, leaving questing areas for doing the job. That's going to be one hell of a big continent though... I'd rather have Nirn continents for questing, a plain of Oblivion on the other hand? Meridia did suck that city in to Coldharbour, and she does owe us one.

Yep. This. All of this!

@Gidorick
And wait for it.....imagine ....cross faction housing cause that's how guilds are setup.

eehh... setting aside a zone in Tamriel JUST for housing. Doesn't really make sense in the context of ESO. Oblivion planes, as I've said many times before, aren't ideal because... well... you can't trust Daedra.

Looking at @stewart.leslie76b16_ESO 's desires, wouldn't all that be best satisfied if players could buy homes rooms in the existing towns around Tamriel? Or do you think people are just too busy jetting about on their quests to pay attention to things like this?

In an established world fraught with war... I just don't know where it would make contextual sense to have a zone like this.

And ALL Zones should be cross faction, the separation is ridiculous, but that's for another thread that was posted a while back.

RizaHawkeye

Gidorick wrote: »

... Deep in the crypt we could place our bed (or our sarcophagus) and various skulls and whatnot... or we could liven the place up with some throw rugs and a nice bench with some pillows... we could make it our own ...

Clearly, you are the person to decorate my apartment.

(Awesome idea as always ...)

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

Gidorick wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf I like your idea, having a bustling residential area sounds like fun. Somewhere where there's more guild trader spots available, more crafting stations, a place where guilds can recruit, and people can socialise and prepare for quests sounds fun, leaving questing areas for doing the job. That's going to be one hell of a big continent though... I'd rather have Nirn continents for questing, a plain of Oblivion on the other hand? Meridia did suck that city in to Coldharbour, and she does owe us one.

Yep. This. All of this!

@Gidorick
And wait for it.....imagine ....cross faction housing cause that's how guilds are setup.

eehh... setting aside a zone in Tamriel JUST for housing. Doesn't really make sense in the context of ESO. Oblivion planes, as I've said many times before, aren't ideal because... well... you can't trust Daedra.

Looking at @stewart.leslie76b16_ESO 's desires, wouldn't all that be best satisfied if players could buy homes rooms in the existing towns around Tamriel? Or do you think people are just too busy jetting about on their quests to pay attention to things like this?

That city in Coldharbour seems to be doing pretty well. I don't think the Daedra have a say in the matter if it's there or not. And Oblivion plains are pretty big, they are not limited to physical aspects of the universe as they are another plain of existence. So lore wise, well you just choose a plain where a Daedric Prince is either allied with you or at least tolerates your presence (Meridia comes to mind). Sithis could open up his plain to his loyal followers.

Keeping it in the Tamriel towns.... That's going to go down well, either "Hey look at my brand new house guys, I only share this front door with 500 other people." or a council tax will be introduced and if you don't pay you lose your house and it goes up for sale (there's a gold sink that'll annoy your player base).

Whilst player housing worked well in the towns for the single player games in a MMO where people have got BANNED for ruining other peoples immersion, this rank along side with the "I'm here waiting to kill this dungeon boss, what are you here for? Also to kill dungeon boss... Oh, here comes 15 others to kill the boss. You'd think Molag Bal would have improved his security after 5,000 people have broken out of Cold Harbour and are now hunting skyshards to repair their soul. Damn, I shouldn't have said that, the group of 15 just killed the boss and now I have to wait 15 minutes."

Just one more note, about all zones being cross faction..... So I have to start pointing at our own history about where people lived and travelled to in times of war. Plain and simple, Daggerfall should never allow members of other factions in their territory (Craglorn and Orisiun), let alone the crown heroes. The fact that we do shows how weak that alliance really is and should have severe penalties in Cyrodiil.

Gilvoth

own my own crypt, or cemetary plot that has a lower level to it?
I LOVE IT!
lets do it!
as a vampire this is perfect for me.

RAGUNAnoOne

Umm it seems nice but there are not enough locations and I know that one Richie (or Richina) Rich will buy next to all the real estate just to not let others have it or to control the market not good if only one person can own it...

Gidorick

@stewart.leslie76b16_ESO , read my 3 phase release plan . This isn't the ONLY Housing I think we should have... just one of the aspects of housing.

I agree that the Oblivion plane solution is convenient... but it just seems like a really cheap way of implementing this feature. Could oblivion housing be one of the forms of housing, sure, but there are many of us who would dislike the idea of placing our homes in the hands and under the watch of a daedric prince ... any of them.

I should make it clear that I don't think this is the ONLY way they should be implemented.

Gidorick

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

own my own crypt, or cemetary plot that has a lower level to it?
I LOVE IT!
lets do it!
as a vampire this is perfect for me.

Vamps were my inspiration for this post @dwemer_paleologist . I watched a Vampire Initiation in a nearby crypt. When I came out I was thinking... "man, it would be cool if these Vamp players could LIVE here..."

It's not that this idea is functionally any different from what I posted in my 3 phase release plan for housing, but in that I didn't consider crypts as a place for a player home. But YES! Caves too!

Gidorick

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Umm it seems nice but there are not enough locations and I know that one Richie (or Richina) Rich will buy next to all the real estate just to not let others have it or to control the market not good if only one person can own it...

Oh no @RAGUNAnoOne, it wouldn't be one person per location. If you and I both bought the same home we would just go to our instance when we accessed the door. Same door... different instances.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

Gidorick wrote: »

@stewart.leslie76b16_ESO , read my 3 phase release plan . This isn't the ONLY Housing I think we should have... just one of the aspects of housing.

I agree that the Oblivion plane solution is convenient... but it just seems like a really cheap way of implementing this feature. Could oblivion housing be one of the forms of housing, sure, but there are many of us who would dislike the idea of placing our homes in the hands and under the watch of a daedric prince ... any of them.

I should make it clear that I don't think this is the ONLY way they should be implemented.

Yes, it's a really cheap way of implementing it, they can start from scratch with a new zone, they don't have to change anything in the current zones. They can harvest code from current zones to build the new one saving time. Any bugs connected with player housing will be restricted to the residential zone not effecting the current questing zones. From a bean counters point of view this is ideal, from a coders point of view, less pressure of getting right straight away, from a QA point of view, well it's going to be us testing it anyway so QA will still be on the beach catching the rays.

afgncaap7

"You know what kind of house I've always wanted to live in? A CRYPT." - Typical Elder Scrolls protagonist.

Didgerion

Housing in MMOs is an outdated idea. I feel bad that developers will spend time on it.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

avid_mdb16_ESO wrote: »

Housing in MMOs is an outdated idea. I feel bad that developers will spend time on it.

Outdated or not, it's an element that made Elder Scrolls what it is. Leaving it out would be like Iron Maiden without Bruce Dickinson.

FilteredRiddle

I really liked how Everquest II had its player housing and Guild Halls set-up, circa 2010. It was sort of a mix between The Sims and Skyrim and it was awesome. I'd love to see similar wind up in ESO.

Gidorick

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

@stewart.leslie76b16_ESO , read my 3 phase release plan . This isn't the ONLY Housing I think we should have... just one of the aspects of housing.

I agree that the Oblivion plane solution is convenient... but it just seems like a really cheap way of implementing this feature. Could oblivion housing be one of the forms of housing, sure, but there are many of us who would dislike the idea of placing our homes in the hands and under the watch of a daedric prince ... any of them.

I should make it clear that I don't think this is the ONLY way they should be implemented.

Yes, it's a really cheap way of implementing it, they can start from scratch with a new zone, they don't have to change anything in the current zones. They can harvest code from current zones to build the new one saving time. Any bugs connected with player housing will be restricted to the residential zone not effecting the current questing zones. From a bean counters point of view this is ideal, from a coders point of view, less pressure of getting right straight away, from a QA point of view, well it's going to be us testing it anyway so QA will still be on the beach catching the rays.

Well, if they were gong to go that route... they could use the Summerset Isles (South West on this map)



They could come up with some reason like...neutral land or something.

The problem with this is it couldn't be as nearly as diverse as the rest of ESO biome wise, but the size would work and it's separated from mainland Tamriel.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

Gidorick wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

@stewart.leslie76b16_ESO , read my 3 phase release plan . This isn't the ONLY Housing I think we should have... just one of the aspects of housing.

I agree that the Oblivion plane solution is convenient... but it just seems like a really cheap way of implementing this feature. Could oblivion housing be one of the forms of housing, sure, but there are many of us who would dislike the idea of placing our homes in the hands and under the watch of a daedric prince ... any of them.

I should make it clear that I don't think this is the ONLY way they should be implemented.

Yes, it's a really cheap way of implementing it, they can start from scratch with a new zone, they don't have to change anything in the current zones. They can harvest code from current zones to build the new one saving time. Any bugs connected with player housing will be restricted to the residential zone not effecting the current questing zones. From a bean counters point of view this is ideal, from a coders point of view, less pressure of getting right straight away, from a QA point of view, well it's going to be us testing it anyway so QA will still be on the beach catching the rays.

Well, if they were gong to go that route... they could use the Summerset Isles (South West on this map)



They could come up with some reason like...neutral land or something.

The problem with this is it couldn't be as nearly as diverse as the rest of ESO biome wise, but the size would work and it's separated from mainland Tamriel.

What, the High Elf domain, where racial intolerance is a required trait? That's going to go down well with the locals.

Gidorick

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

@stewart.leslie76b16_ESO , read my 3 phase release plan . This isn't the ONLY Housing I think we should have... just one of the aspects of housing.

I agree that the Oblivion plane solution is convenient... but it just seems like a really cheap way of implementing this feature. Could oblivion housing be one of the forms of housing, sure, but there are many of us who would dislike the idea of placing our homes in the hands and under the watch of a daedric prince ... any of them.

I should make it clear that I don't think this is the ONLY way they should be implemented.

Yes, it's a really cheap way of implementing it, they can start from scratch with a new zone, they don't have to change anything in the current zones. They can harvest code from current zones to build the new one saving time. Any bugs connected with player housing will be restricted to the residential zone not effecting the current questing zones. From a bean counters point of view this is ideal, from a coders point of view, less pressure of getting right straight away, from a QA point of view, well it's going to be us testing it anyway so QA will still be on the beach catching the rays.

Well, if they were gong to go that route... they could use the Summerset Isles (South West on this map)



They could come up with some reason like...neutral land or something.

The problem with this is it couldn't be as nearly as diverse as the rest of ESO biome wise, but the size would work and it's separated from mainland Tamriel.

What, the High Elf domain, where racial intolerance is a required trait? That's going to go down well with the locals.

That's what I'm saying... It doesn't really make sense in the context of ESO's narrative to have one large location like a zone that is dedicated to "community"

The concept seems to have worked VERY well in other games but I just don't think it's right for ESO. Too many players have their favorite zones and locations. ZOS needs to allow players to live anywhere. Not that there can't be other forms of housing, but the one described in this thread would provide ESO with dozens, if not hundreds, of different "homes" to sell.

RAGUNAnoOne

Gidorick wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Umm it seems nice but there are not enough locations and I know that one Richie (or Richina) Rich will buy next to all the real estate just to not let others have it or to control the market not good if only one person can own it...

Oh no @RAGUNAnoOne, it wouldn't be one person per location. If you and I both bought the same home we would just go to our instance when we accessed the door. Same door... different instances.

Whew... okay then 100% supported

Acrolas

I access my house by pressing Quit.

And what's this? I can conjure pizza at my house? Can you do that, ESO house? Hmmmm?

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

From the current setting of Tamriel, there's not one place where you can have cross faction housing. It just would not make sense. Think of it this way, would you live next door to a fighter from a country that you are at war with, wake up in the morning say hi to them, talk about what you got planned for the day, then say you'll see them on the battle front in 2 hours where you will proceed to tear out his intestines so you can use it as a skipping rope back to camp?

A plain of Oblivion makes sense, the Daedric Prince in charge doesn't care what faction you are. And everyone knows if they start any kind of trouble, well, let's just hope player housing is not in the Shivering Isles.

Gidorick

Acrolas wrote: »

I access my house by pressing Quit.

And what's this? I can conjure pizza at my house? Can you do that, ESO house? Hmmmm?

You could totally do that in... everquest I think it was... "/pizza" ordered pizza.

Leogon

+1 to instanced player housing.

Gidorick

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

From the current setting of Tamriel, there's not one place where you can have cross faction housing. It just would not make sense. Think of it this way, would you live next door to a fighter from a country that you are at war with, wake up in the morning say hi to them, talk about what you got planned for the day, then say you'll see them on the battle front in 2 hours where you will proceed to tear out his intestines so you can use it as a skipping rope back to camp?

A plain of Oblivion makes sense, the Daedric Prince in charge doesn't care what faction you are. And everyone knows if they start any kind of trouble, well, let's just hope player housing is not in the Shivering Isles.

well, this thread isn't really about "cross faction housing" it's more about the functioning of individual housing across Tamriel. My fingers are crossed for cross faction zoning (everyone in every zone.. no separation) once VR Ranks are removed. If that happened, every house would be cross faction! But I'm not holding my breath.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

Gidorick wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

From the current setting of Tamriel, there's not one place where you can have cross faction housing. It just would not make sense. Think of it this way, would you live next door to a fighter from a country that you are at war with, wake up in the morning say hi to them, talk about what you got planned for the day, then say you'll see them on the battle front in 2 hours where you will proceed to tear out his intestines so you can use it as a skipping rope back to camp?

A plain of Oblivion makes sense, the Daedric Prince in charge doesn't care what faction you are. And everyone knows if they start any kind of trouble, well, let's just hope player housing is not in the Shivering Isles.

well, this thread isn't really about "cross faction housing" it's more about individual housing but my fingers are crossed for cross faction zoning (everyone in every zone.. no separation) once VR Ranks are removed. But I'm not holding my breath.

Well, even looking at it from faction based housing, that is effectively taking a zone away from creating a questing area. And seriously think about it. People have been banned for ruining immersion for others. What is it going to be like when someone is going in their house and he get's blasted by people saying that s/he's ruined an RP event doing that. I really hate to say this but there are some really petty people in this game, and if they word their complaint correctly, they can get a player banned without being able to defend his/her case.